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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - synthetic everything
Re: FTE 80-96 - 85 Bronco II with oil leak
Re: FTE 80-96 - 85 Bronco II with oil leak
FTE 80-96 - brake fluid reservoir seals
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Translation?
FTE 80-96 - re: Want to buy Budd wheels
FTE 80-96 - Re: synthetic 85-140 gear oil
FTE 80-96 - re: '86 Ranger problem
FTE 80-96 - Dead Truck - - going again
FTE 80-96 - Re: F-350 transfer case question
FTE 80-96 - 5.8 rough idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 rough idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dead Truck - - going again
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: synthetic 85-140 gear oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 rough idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - brake fluid reservoir seals
FTE 80-96 - 87 using oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 rough idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - 85 Bronco II with oil leak
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dead Truck - - going again
Re: FTE 80-96 - 87 using oil ... plus 7.3 core for sale cheap
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 rough idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - 95 Ford Probe
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 rough idle

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:47:37 -0400
From: "S. Spaulding"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - synthetic everything

Nuke,

I have been running synthetics everywhere except the engine in my '91
F-150 since about 45,000 miles. I used Mobil 1 75W90 in the
differentials, and added the Ford additive to the Traction Lock rear
end. I changed them again at 97,000 miles. I have had no problems; the
Mazda M5OD still shifts perfectly with synthetic ATF (AMSOIL ATF - same
in the xfer case). I now have 114,000 miles.


Steve S.


nuke wrote:
>
> I am leaning towards running synthetic fluids in everything but the engine.
> Front and rear ends, breaks, powersteering pump, synthetic ATF in the 208
> transfer case, and my tranny guy said run motor oil in the Rug xmsn,
> thinking of 20w-50 synthetic. I want to change the oil in the engine every
> 3,000mi so I'm planning on sticking with good old Discount Auto Parts
> (valvoline) 10w-40 because I live in Florida, I will probably break in the
> rebuilt engine with 10w-30, oil/filter change after the first run, then
> again maybe after the first week. Plan on putting one of those magnet
> things on the oil filter. Any feed back synthetic vers natural?
>
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:34:53 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 85 Bronco II with oil leak

At 09:24 PM 9/26/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi, my Bronco leaks oil and I have been trying to figure out what is
>wrong. It sat in my yard for awhile but that was not the reason. I have
>tightened the valve covers but it still leaks. Any suggestions?
>

Did you torque them correctly using a torque wrench? Its not
how tight they are that counts, but how evenly they are
tightened.


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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 11:06:31 -0400
From: nwo4life4ever juno.com (Tom Kirkbride)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 85 Bronco II with oil leak

After I drive it and park it, it leaks from under the engine and onto the
ground.

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 12:59:44 -0600 (MDT)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - brake fluid reservoir seals

Hi All,

Last spring I R&R my master cylinder, then it started seeping below the
reservoir, so I took it back and the second one seeped too. It loses about a
half inch per week. Went to buy new rubber seals, nope, gotta buy the
reservoir too. ($35) I finally got around to R&R the reservoir and seals
last week, and it leaks too.

What's the trick to seal the seals?

Thanks in advance,
Zeb

88 F250 SC 4WD 7.3

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 12:53:55 PDT
From: "John Abney"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Translation?

>I'll try.

Hello
My name is Eric Leroy, and I live in Brussels Belgium and I drive a 1988
Ford F-150 (4.9L EFI). It is a vehicle which was specially importedfrom
the USA and is not common to Europe so there are no parts available.

Is there a manual or book from the US Ford dealers which lists all the
parts? Can you tell me if this info. is available on CD ROM?

Thank You Very Much

All you French majors out there know this isn't perfect, but you get the
idea.

John Abney
Houston
>
>Can someone translate this?
>
>Ken Payne
>CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>http://www.ford-trucks.com
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>>
>>Bonjour,
>>Je m'appelle Eric LEROY, j'habite =E0 BRUXELLES (Belgium) et je roule
avec=
> un
>>Ford F-150 (4.9 liters EFI) model 1988.
>>C'est un vehicule d'occasion sp=E9cialement import=E9 des USA. Il n'y
a=
> presque
>>pas de voitures comme =E7a en Europe,
>>et il n'est pas facile d'avoir des pi=E8ces de rechanges.
>>Il existe chez les dealers FORD U.S.A. un livre avec toutes les
pi=E8ces de
>>rechange, un dessin et le serial number pour les commander.
>>Pouvez vous me dire si cela existe sur CD ROM ?
>>
>>Merci beaucoups
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:16:10 -0300
From: sbest
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: Want to buy Budd wheels

From: Andrew T Vincitore
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Want to buy Budd wheels

>Anybody out there have 4 8 lug 16" Budd type wheels off a dually truck? =


Andrew,
I was in to the International dealer and I noticed he had 20" plain
steel Budd wheels for only $85cdn (about $60us). I was amazed, I paid
that much for my 16" white spokes.

Maybe they don't carry the 16" 8 bolts, they only had the 20" on
display, but this or other big truck dealers may be an alternate
place to look?


Steve Best, Nova Scotia, sbest glinx.com
4 wheel drive van page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.glinx.com/users/sbest
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:30:41 -0300
From: sbest
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: synthetic 85-140 gear oil

From: MARK G CORBOY
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - synthetic 85-140 gear oil
>
> I want to run synthetic gear oil in my limited slip diff. Where can I find
> synthetic 85-140 gear oil? Is it compatible with the limited slip
> additive? Do I still need to use the additive?


I get my synthetic gear oil from Canada's "Canadian Tire" automotive chain
now, but 8 (or more) years ago when I started using it the Peterbuilt truck
dealership and the AMC Jeep dealership were the only place that carried it.
It was called "Eaton Synthetic Gear Oil" at Peterbuilt and I believe it
came in 75w90 and the AMC stuff was 85w140. I didn't notice any difference
with the AMC 85w140 stuff in the rear diff of a car but the 75w90 "Eaton
Synthetic" in my fulltime 4wd van (both diffs and xfer case) was incredible.
Cold weather power, top speed and fuelmileage made a huge jump. The van
rolls freer when warmed up as well. Much of this may be due just to the
viscosity reduction but with nearly 100,000 kms on this lube and almost
300,000 kms on the drivetrain I have had no wear problems. (it must be time
to change it by now???)


The LSDs in my vehicles equiped with them (not the Bronco :-( ) work
fine with the synthetic gear oil, both from Eaton and Canadian Tire.
Yes it is compatable with LSD additives and you still have to add them
or the diff will still chatter on corners.


Steve Best, Nova Scotia, sbest glinx.com
4 wheel drive van page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.glinx.com/users/sbest
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:38:12 -0300
From: sbest
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: '86 Ranger problem

From: Bryan Maycock
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '86 Ranger problem

>Greetings from Nova Scotia.



Hey Bryan,
Sorry that I have no answers to your Ranger problems, 86 was a
bit of a bad year with EFI in its infancy. Some of the guys on the
Eary Broncos list, notably Coby Hubey, are real experts in EFI.
There is an EFI newslist at EEC eelink.net -- For more info go to:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://eelink.umich.edu/~p-nowak/eec-efi/EEC-Mailadddrop.html
but I suppose you mainly want to get you truck running, not become
an expert in the field.

Where in Nova Scotia do you hail from?
I am living in the Annapolis Valley in Cambridge between Berwick and
Kentville. Got a big 4wd Ford 87 van, 82 Bronco, a rusty old 87 F250
diesel and a 86 E150 van. Too many old Fords We are going to
have a house cleaning around here soon!



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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 13:59:50 PDT
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Dead Truck - - going again

I found a fusible link that was blown behind the engine, in the big
bundle that heads for the computer. Fixed the fusible link, tryed to
start the truck, and the soleniod stuck open again. So, I went to napa,
got --another-- new solenoid, and it has started fine so far. They were
nice and didn't charge me for the second soleniod, so that helped.
Thanks for all the info and help. Other than the link being in the most
inaccesbile spot I could find, it is an easy fix (once you find it)

Thanks Again, have to drive now (just because I can...)
Casey Vandor

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:30:05 -0300
From: sbest
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: F-350 transfer case question

>From: "Brad Burge"
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-350 transfer case question
>
>I have been lurking for a while, but now I have a question.
>I recently bought a '89 F-350 7.3 diesel 4X4 dually. The transfer case has
always been hard to engage and has gotten almost impossible to get into 4wd.
Also, now it will not go into 4-low at all. This is the best truck I have
ever owned and I want to keep it top condition. Any thoughts or help will
be appreciated. Thanks.
>
>Brad Burge
>bburge mid-mo.net



Hey, you and me both Brad, I have the same problem and haven't had a chance
to look at it yet. I'll be anxious to hear the answers...


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4 wheel drive van page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.glinx.com/users/sbest
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:48:06 -0400
From: "Christopher Maher"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 rough idle

Hi all, I have a 1989 F150 Supercab 4x4, 5.8l with a C6 auto. It has idled
rough since the day I bought it with 27,000 miles. It was back to the
dealer under the ESP warranty and they replaced everything except the engine
itself. Finally, an engineer came down from Dearborn and told me that the
rough idle is normal due to a high overlap camshaft. I basically decided to
live with the idle after that, but now after 6 years or so, and about
120,000 miles, I have decided to try to get to the bottom of this problem.
I pulled the intake last week to do the gasket and wound up snapping a few
bolts in the heads. So I pulled the heads and found a piece of debris
holding one of the intake valves open, as well as a broken head bolt (dealer
gorilla?). I had the heads done and now after putting it back together
again, it runs exactly the same. Has anyone else out there had the same
rough idle problems with the 5.8 EFI motor? I was curious if I was the
only one or do they all idle rough like Ford says.

Christopher Maher

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:59:32 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 rough idle

Hey Chris,
I had an 89 f-250 5.8 liter engine with the same problem. i replaced
everything cleaned the injectors, you name it, i did it. even ford could not
figure it out. do you know how i cured the problem? I SOLD IT. GOODBYE. The
only thing i did not do was to replace the computer. I could not figure it out
.it drove me nuts, and alot of $$$$$. I now have an 89 e-250 with a 300 6 cyl
and 179k on it. It idles as smooth as silk. Good luck buddy.

Joe jsc721
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:51:00 -0400
From: nuke
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dead Truck - - going again

Alright way to hang in there buddy, glad to hear it
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:17:57 -0400
From: nuke
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: synthetic 85-140 gear oil

Okay I was wondering about running 75-90w synthetic in my 8.8 inch rear
with the HD 31 tooth Traction-Loc diff even though it calls for the heavier
75-140w stuff, thinking that the synthetic though lighter in viscosity
would be a better product.

This is a heavy duty 1/2 ton, 11 inch rear brakes, 11 inch clutch, HD Ford
RUG 4 spd OD xmsn, the 208 xfer case though. Anyway occasionally I'll be
pulling a 25 foot boat from Palm Beach to the Florida Keys, but most of the
time highway driving and some light trail driving to get to hunting and
fishing holes, and pulling the boat the ramp 2 miles from home.

I've received two messages from folks that have run the lighter 75-90 in
their rears looks like around 100,000 miles or more with out any adverse
effects. I was leaning that way and now I got some supporting info along
the same line of thought. Anyone out there violently object to this idea?
I found some 75-140 synthetic at a Napa store but $32 seemed to rich for
my blood.

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:25:47 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 rough idle

JSC721 aol.com wrote:
>
> Hey Chris,
> I had an 89 f-250 5.8 liter engine with the same problem. i replaced
> everything cleaned the injectors, you name it, i did it. even ford could not
> figure it out. do you know how i cured the problem? I SOLD IT. GOODBYE. The
> only thing i did not do was to replace the computer. I could not figure it out
> .it drove me nuts, and alot of $$$$$. I now have an 89 e-250 with a 300 6 cyl
> and 179k on it. It idles as smooth as silk. Good luck buddy.
>

EFI right? A switch to mass air would be a great help!
Chris
94 Lightning
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:28:45 -0400
From: nuke
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - brake fluid reservoir seals

Gee Lamar when I checked on the rebuild kits and a Napa rebuilt master
cylinder I decided it was cheaper to go with the rebuild once I considered
my time involved and the potential for the type of problems you are having.
sorry

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:34:58 +0000
From: Scott and Tracey Severns
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 87 using oil

Hey gang!!
This is my first posting (actually second attempt) so bear with me. I
have an 87 f350 crew cab with a 460, A/T, single rear. I have had this
beast to what I have considered a good mechanic and he is stumped. The
problem is I'm am using or losing 2 quarts of oil in 250 miles. We have
checked compression on cylinders, checked the plugs, check the rear
main, front main and the EGR, and NOTHING has shown up to be severe
enough to consume 2 USqts of oil in 200 miles. We even went the route of
considering the oil being trapped in the cylinder head and boiling, due
to clogged return ports. We replaced the valve seals (guides were
tight) and cleaned the return ports of debris (nothing severe there)and
washed our hands and considered the problem resolved. NO WAY, still
using/losing oil as fast as this beast uses gas. HELP!!!
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:50:34 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 rough idle

Is that a stock Ford camshaft in there? One thing I would try is to remove
the Idle-Air Bypass valve and clean it out with some carb/choke cleaner. If
it is sticking and not able to open all the way that could be one reason the
idle is so poor.

Rade
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From: Christopher Maher
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 9:50 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 rough idle


>
>Hi all, I have a 1989 F150 Supercab 4x4, 5.8l with a C6 auto. It has idled
>rough since the day I bought it with 27,000 miles. It was back to the
>dealer under the ESP warranty and they replaced everything except the
engine
>itself. Finally, an engineer came down from Dearborn and told me that the
>rough idle is normal due to a high overlap camshaft. I basically decided
to
>live with the idle after that, but now after 6 years or so, and about
>120,000 miles, I have decided to try to get to the bottom of this problem.
>I pulled the intake last week to do the gasket and wound up snapping a few
>bolts in the heads. So I pulled the heads and found a piece of debris
>holding one of the intake valves open, as well as a broken head bolt
(dealer
>gorilla?). I had the heads done and now after putting it back together
>again, it runs exactly the same. Has anyone else out there had the same
>rough idle problems with the 5.8 EFI motor? I was curious if I was the
>only one or do they all idle rough like Ford says.
>
>Christopher Maher
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:53:37 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 85 Bronco II with oil leak

Tom,
Get yourself some engine degreaser. Warm the engine and get under
there and spray that thing down, from underneath and from above even
if you don't think it's from up top. You have to get it as clean as
you can to see the source so use a stiff brush if you have to (don't
forget the goggles). Hose it off and drive it for a while and come
back to check the source.
I don't know how many miles you have, but if you have about 50k I'd
replace the valve covers gaskets, not just re-torque them down. This
is, of course, if you find that to be the source. Mine leaked and ran
down the back of the block and dripped from behind the flywheel cover
plate so you never know where the source may be. My gaskets were so
hard and brittle they never would have torqued and re-sealed it.
That's what I suspect is wrong w/yours if, in fact, that is the source
and you can't re-torque to re-seal. They're cheap - about 8 bucks for
mine (I got rubber-impregnated since I didn't find all rubber, but
that's what I'd recommend - all rubber), but the job may take you a
few hours depending on how much crap you have to move. My drivers'
side was cake compared to the pass. on my '87 F-250 w/a 351W 4bbl.

Hope that helps,
Later,
Randy

Tom Kirkbride wrote:
>
> Hi, my Bronco leaks oil and I have been trying to figure out what is
> wrong. It sat in my yard for awhile but that was not the reason. I have
> tightened the valve covers but it still leaks. Any suggestions?
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:09:51 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dead Truck - - going again

And so ends the entertaining saga of the Vandors' 'Dead Truck'.
But....

Will Casey's starter keep running?
- -OR-
Boris and Natasha try to lose their accents...

Tune in next week to find out on 'F T E'
same time, same channel, same bandwidth

I crack myself up,
Later,
Randy (Brew)


nuke wrote:
>
> Alright way to hang in there buddy, glad to hear it
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:10:55 -0600 (MDT)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 87 using oil ... plus 7.3 core for sale cheap

Hi Help,

Rebuild it. I had a 7.3 that got 50 miles to the quart, replaced it with one
that got 70 miles/quart, rebuilt the first one, all is well now. except for ...

I can't get it to make black smoke, even after turning the upper limit on
the throttle all the way out. KN air filter equipped. (over 6000 feet in
mountains I get a touch of black smoke while lugging it)

Is that good? I like it!

zya,
Zeb

PS Anybody need a 7.3 core? Cheap, it's only gonna become an anchor here soon.
Longmont CO (35 miles N of Denver).

88 F250 SC 4WD 7.3

At 09:34 PM 9/27/98 +0000, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:
>Hey gang!!
>This is my first posting (actually second attempt) so bear with me. I
>have an 87 f350 crew cab with a 460, A/T, single rear. I have had this
>beast to what I have considered a good mechanic and he is stumped. The
>problem is I'm am using or losing 2 quarts of oil in 250 miles. We have
>checked compression on cylinders, checked the plugs, check the rear
>main, front main and the EGR, and NOTHING has shown up to be severe
>enough to consume 2 USqts of oil in 200 miles. We even went the route of
>considering the oil being trapped in the cylinder head and boiling, due
>to clogged return ports. We replaced the valve seals (guides were
>tight) and cleaned the return ports of debris (nothing severe there)and
>washed our hands and considered the problem resolved. NO WAY, still
>using/losing oil as fast as this beast uses gas. HELP!!!
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:42:17 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 rough idle

Hi Chris,
Yeah EFI, I also cleaned the idle-air by-pass valve, with no luck, i even
changed the stator assembly in the distributor.ford cleaned the injectors, new
wires, plugs,egr,evp,map, oxygen sensors,all sensors replaced new coil,
cap,rotor,fuel filter,fuel pump/injector regulator, checked pump pressure ok.
k & n air filter, and much, much more.I dont know what to tell you. I still
enjoyed the truck anyway ,despite the rough idle.IT WAS A POWERHOUSE. I made
it look like new again, before i sold it. Now its time to do the same with my
89 E-250 Van. Cant help it. Its in my blood.Dumping my $$$ into ford trucks.
Its a good investment.

later Joe


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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:14:56 -0500
From: "danny"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 95 Ford Probe

if you think that is tough wait till you have to take out the pass. cv
joint to replace the
alt.

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> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - 95 Ford Probe
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 9:01 PM
>
> You helped me with my 93 F250; I'm hoping you won't mind me trying for
> help on a car question:
> How does one replace a cigarette lighter on a 95 Ford Probe with shift
> on console? I can't figure how to remove the cover to take out the
> lighter. There doesn't seem to be any screws holding the console
> (cover) in place. I just can't yank the lighter out can I?....


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