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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Exhaust/intake leak at manifold
Re: FTE 80-96 - What auto have I got.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust/intake leak at manifold
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: ADMIN: Translation?
FTE 80-96 - oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - What auto have I got.
FTE 80-96 - Fw: Translation?
FTE 80-96 - Knocking and Pinging
FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead truck
FTE 80-96 - Re: dead truck
FTE 80-96 - Re: dead truck
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead truck
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ball Joints and Shutting off.
Re: FTE 80-96 - 83 ifs pivot bushing
Re: FTE 80-96 - What auto have I got.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: dead truck
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead truck
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Translation?
FTE 80-96 - RE: Overspray
FTE 80-96 - Re: dead truck
Re: FTE 80-96 - 83 ifs pivot bushing
FTE 80-96 - Pick-Up Truck Question
FTE 80-96 - re: Pick-up truck question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Pick-Up Truck Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: dead truck
FTE 80-96 - question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: dead truck

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:54:18 -0000
From: "Bruce S Casey"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust/intake leak at manifold

Just noticed I have a leak starting at the the combination manifold. I have
a F150 with the 4.9 engine flatbed. Question is this a hard to replace
gasket or just a pain. Any suggestions warnings or comments would be
appreciated. Thanks in advance.
What are the different ways to support this web site I know someone has to
pay Thanks.


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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:38:56 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What auto have I got.

Ken Payne wrote:

> Just wait until the Spring Pigeon Forge truck show. I'll bet 50-100 of us
> show up. You'll find out that friends can and have been made here.

Can any of you guys tell me how far in hours or miles it is to
Pigeon Forge from Huntsville. AL. --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:29:42 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust/intake leak at manifold

Bruce S Casey wrote:
>
> Just noticed I have a leak starting at the the combination manifold. I have
> a F150 with the 4.9 engine flatbed. Question is this a hard to replace
> gasket or just a pain. Any suggestions warnings or comments would be
> appreciated.
>
According to the mechanic I used to get my truck saftied, there is no
gasket. :-(
According to a coworker who used to be a parts droid at a Ford Dealer,
there is no gasket.

I had an exhaust leak at the head/maifold mating surface and they were
looking at a new exhaust manifold (CDN$700.00!). After a few
constructive hints from me (ie: No Way!) they did find a gasket in the
aftermarket. Can't remember the price or who made it, but the gasket is
available. Thank goodne$$.

So for me, it was really easy, just pay through the nose ;-). They said
it wasn't too bad because it looked like the manifold had been off
before. I can't give you any hints, except for what it says in the
Haynes manual, but it's at home, I'm not.
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:34:47 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: ADMIN: Translation?

sbest wrote:
> =

> >
> >Hello,
> >My name is Eric Leroy, I live in Brussels (Belgium) where I drive
> >around in my 1988 Ford F-150 (300 6 cyl. :)) It was a special import=

> >from the USA. -- There are hardly any in Europe -OR- There aren't any=

> >this nice in Europe (something like that anyway) -- , but it is
> >difficult to find parts. Is there a dealer in the U.S.A. that
> >delivers (or has catalog of) parts, a drawing or serial number for
> >order? [sounds weird there [, a drawing... so I might be off a
> >little) Could you tell me if something exists on CD ROM?
> >SNIP>
> >> >Je m'appelle Eric LEROY, j'habite =E0 BRUXELLES (Belgium) et je rou=
le avec un
> >> >Ford F-150 (4.9 liters EFI) model 1988.
> >> >C'est un vehicule d'occasion sp=E9cialement import=E9 des USA. Il =
n'y a presque
> >> >pas de voitures comme =E7a en Europe,
> >> >et il n'est pas facile d'avoir des pi=E8ces de rechanges.
> >> >Il existe chez les dealers FORD U.S.A. un livre avec toutes les pi=E8=
ces de
> >> >rechange, un dessin et le serial number pour les commander.
> >> >Pouvez vous me dire si cela existe sur CD ROM ?
> >> >
> >> >Merci beaucoups
> =

> Pretty darned good Randy, I am at the same disadvantage, I used to live=
in
> Belgium 20 years ago. Here is how I would translate the last 3 lines:
> =

> At the USA Ford dealers there exists a book with all
> the repair parts, a drawing and serial number to order them.
> Can you tell me if it exists on CD ROM?
> =

This last part is correct. Otherwise, the only thing anybody missed is
that it's a used vehicle, specially imported from the States.

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:32:55 -0400
From: Ethan Vos
Subject: FTE 80-96 - oil

Hi there.

What's the best oil to put in a powerstroke?

Ethan



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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:42:07 -0700
From: Rick Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What auto have I got.

Wojo,

Check out the Delorme web site - it's got some of the most useful tools on the
web, if you're into maps (like I am). I'm sure you'll find what you need
there...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.delorme.com/CyberMaps/



rh
'94 F350 4x4 CC
Albuquerque, NM
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:49:18 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Translation?

Here is the translation from a bonafide Belgian.

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: Fredd
To: Radoje Spasojevic ; Julian Frost

Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 1:42 PM
Subject: Translation?


- -- [ From: Fredd * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Rade,

No problem

Fredd

>>>Fredd Could you do me a big favor and translates this for me and send it
back to me, you are the only Belgian I know. Much thanks.

>Bonjour,

Good morning,

>Je m'appelle Eric LEROY, j'habite BRUXELLES (Belgium) et je roule avec un
>Ford F-150 (4.9 liters EFI) model 1988.

My name is Eric Leroy, I live in Brussels (Belgium) and I drive an Ford F-
150
( 4.9 liters EFI ) year model 1988

>C'est un vehicule d'occasion spcialement import des USA.

It is a specially imported used vehicle.

>Il n'y apresque pas de voitures comme a en Europe,
>et il n'est pas facile d'avoir des pices de rechanges.

There are about none of these vehicles in Europe and it's not easy to find
replacement parts.

>Il existe chez les dealers FORD U.S.A. un livre avec toutes les pices de
>rechange, un dessin et le serial number pour les commander.
>Pouvez vous me dire si cela existe sur CD ROM ?

For the US dealers, there exist parts catalogs with exploded drawnings,
parts numbers, and order info.
Can you tell me that this exest on CD rom ?

>Merci beaucoups

Thank you very much




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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:44:08 -0700
From: "Glenn Koepnick"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Knocking and Pinging

I have a 1990 F-250 4x4 with a 460 engine.
I live in Tucson and in the afternoons when I drive the truck it starts to
knock and ping whenever I give it a little too much gas. In the mornings it
runs great and when its cool. I've tried all grades of gas and it doesn't
seem to help. Does anybody have any ideas? It seems a little more than the
timing.

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:05:20 PDT
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead truck

I wish I could, my old dodge had the nuetral safety switch go out (6.00
part) three weeks to figure that one out :-) My truck is a manual, and
it starts in gear, so I am assuming I don't have the mandatory clutch to
the floor thing to start it.

Thanks
Casey

>>>>
Did ya try the netural safty switch ??

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:13:09 PDT
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: dead truck

So if I do find a fusable link that is bad, should I just cut it out and
then add a fuse where it was? I did find one for example that was rated
18 amps. (unfortunetly it was still good) I have never seen 18's, would
a 20 be ok, or do I need to track down an 18?

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:13:22 PDT
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: dead truck

So if I do find a fusable link that is bad, should I just cut it out and
then add a fuse where it was? I did find one for example that was rated
18 amps. (unfortunetly it was still good) I have never seen 18's, would
a 20 be ok, or do I need to track down an 18?

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:39:10 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead truck

Casey Vandor wrote:

> I wish I could, my old dodge had the nuetral safety switch go out (6.00
> part) three weeks to figure that one out :-) My truck is a manual, and
> it starts in gear, so I am assuming I don't have the mandatory clutch to
> the floor thing to start it.

HOLD IT !!!!!!!

Casey,
My '83 Bronco will not turn over a lick unless the neautral safety
switch is hooked in-line on my standard 4-speed granny gear.
I found this out WAY out in the woods. This happened where I go up
to our cabin. Took me a little while to figure that a branch grabbed it
and took it cause the harness was hanging kinda low. Guess what,
a year later I found it on the side of the road. :-) Now I have a spare.
They are $35.00 at FORD. But yes, I had a buddy pull me backwards
to start mine in gear. No way to turn it around when you are deep in
the woods.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:43:43 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ball Joints and Shutting off.

Golly, Scott M wrote:

> Thanks to the list!
>
> I have sent two questions to the list over the last to months and expected
> no reply. The first was a complex problem of a 90 ford F-150 shutting down
> and doing all sorts of weird crap. I got a reply, after the ford diagnostics
> said it was all in my head, that said a fuel pressure regulator and
> Hypertech. BINGO!!!! Fixed. I sent a second question about ball-joints and
> expected short simple answers but instead I got a fantastic description of
> how to do the entire job including lessons learned. Now I am not nervous
> about the job at all, thanks Rick Wojo. THIS LIST IS GREAT! I hope I can
> provide valuable input as well.

Don't get mushy with me. :-)

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:05:23 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 83 ifs pivot bushing

nuke wrote:

> My shop manual says I have to remove the front end members and then have a
> special tool to press out and install the pivot bushings on the front end
> of my 83 F150 4x4. I have the engine removed for rebuild and have removed

Nuke, I have to do the same things as well as the radius and tie rod on
my '83 Bronco. I too have not done a bushing job as of yet. I
hopefully will get to it soon. Its gotta be easier with the engine out
I would think. I'll be interested to what someone says.

Now as far as poly vs Rubber.

I am speaking from what I have heard from the bronco email
list, but it make sense.
Heres the deal.

Poly is supposed to be better if you stay on the pavement.
Rubber is better suited if you go off-road.

Reasons:

1. Poly is a tough material with no give for off-road oscillations,
and jouncing. Rubber obviously has give and is very malleable.

2. When you stay on the pavement the rubber does not get worked
therefore has a tendancey to decay or become dried out. The
poly is tough and can hold a linear position(more or less) when
you are on the pavement. There aren't to many rocks and trees
to climb over on the street. :-)


I take my truck off-road about 50% of the time and I still am not
sure what I will get. But I am kinda leaning towards staying with
the rubber unless someone can sway me the other way. My $0.02


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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:17:27 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What auto have I got.

Rick Hunt wrote:

> Wojo,
>
> Check out the Delorme web site - it's got some of the most useful tools on the
> web, if you're into maps (like I am). I'm sure you'll find what you need
> there...
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.delorme.com/CyberMaps/

Thanks Rick H.


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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:08:13 EDT
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: dead truck

In a message dated 9/24/98 10:16:14 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
cvandor hotmail.com writes:

> So if I do find a fusable link that is bad, should I just cut it out and
> then add a fuse where it was? I did find one for example that was rated
> 18 amps. (unfortunetly it was still good) I have never seen 18's, would
> a 20 be ok, or do I need to track down an 18?
>
I would test it with a fuse and then get the proper link later.
D Baken
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:12:07 EDT
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead truck

In a message dated 9/24/98 10:31:39 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
wojciecr nichols.com writes:

> I wish I could, my old dodge had the nuetral safety switch go out (6.00
> > part) three weeks to figure that one out :-) My truck is a manual, and
> > it starts in gear, so I am assuming I don't have the mandatory clutch to
> > the floor thing to start it.
>
Casey
From your description of your problem, I understand that you have no power to
the ignition switch. No radio or other accesories. Is that correct? If so the
clutch to the floor-or in neutral switch is not the problem. It only prevents
you from cranking. Let us know
D Baken
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:27:52 -0400
From: "Jeff Fairbairn"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Translation?

Yeah, that is want I get form it also. He would like a catalogue or CD-ROM
that states the part number so he can order them from the States. I live in
Quebec and know that parts catalogues come in French at Ford. Maybe he
should try looking for the catalogues in Canada. But the parts are going to
cost more.

Jeff
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From: Randy
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Translation?


>Ok Ken taking me down memory lane all the way back to high school
>here. I can probably give a rough translation:
>
>Hello,
>My name is Eric Leroy, I live in Brussels (Belgium) where I drive
>around in my 1988 Ford F-150 (300 6 cyl. :)) It was a special import
>from the USA. -- There are hardly any in Europe -OR- There aren't any
>this nice in Europe (something like that anyway) -- , but it is
>difficult to find parts. Is there a dealer in the U.S.A. that
>delivers (or has catalog of) parts,
>
>Ken Payne wrote:
>>
>> Can someone translate this?
>>
>> Ken Payne
>> CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>> http://www.ford-trucks.com
>>
>> >
>> >Bonjour,
>> >Je m'appelle Eric LEROY, j'habite BRUXELLES (Belgium) et je roule avec
un
>> >Ford F-150 (4.9 liters EFI) model 1988.
>> >C'est un vehicule d'occasion spcialement import des USA. Il n'y a
presque
>> >pas de voitures comme a en Europe,
>> >et il n'est pas facile d'avoir des pices de rechanges.
>> >Il existe chez les dealers FORD U.S.A. un livre avec toutes les pices
de
>> >rechange, un dessin et le serial number pour les commander.
>> >Pouvez vous me dire si cela existe sur CD ROM ?
>> >
>> >Merci beaucoups
>> >
>> >
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:37:31 -0500
From: "Neff, Charles"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Overspray

I have used non-pumice hand cleaner to rid my truck of such as this. I apply
the cleaner with my bare hands so I can feel if (by chance) any grit may
have
gotten into the cleaner. I first wet down the area with water and while it
is still wet,
I rub the cleaner into a small area... never tried it but suspect you could
water down
the cleaner and apply with a rag or sponge. Great for removing bugs too.
Afterwards,
I wash the affected area with mild soap (really mild since I dont typically
use soap on painted surfaces) then wash with plain water.

>Hey All!
>>As I was getting ready to wax my truck this last weekend, I noticed some
> very fine overspray ALL over it.... I
>Anyway, I want to remove it. I've seen on TV where WD-40 claims you can
use their product for removal of tar, grime, bugs, etc. Has anyone used it
for overspray removal? If not, what is the best product for this
application? I don't want to mar the finish.
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:20:04 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: dead truck

>Look for the fusible link. It looks like a bulge in the wire but is
>actually a
>fuse. Usually is right at the sol connector, When it opens you have no
>power
>to ignition.
>Good Luck
>D Baken

Sounds like good advice, but don't forget: IF the fusible link blew,
you'll need to find out WHY before you drive too far from home.
Otherwise it might just blow again, which would ruin your day.

lordjanusz juno.com

"The beatings will continue until morale improves..."

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:33:56 -0400
From: nuke
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 83 ifs pivot bushing

Rick WoJo, I see your name every night, dedicated Ford owners friend,
thanks man. The Governor decided he needed me more then my family before
this hurricane hits so we will see who gets to the pivot bushings first.
We don't climb rocks or walls down here in Florida and when I do go off
road it is usually down orange groves to get to dove fields or bass holes,
and I have wife, kids and labby dogs on board so once your 40 you 4 wheel
easy. I heard rubber was easier on the frame but man all you read in the
mags is poly, thanks for the input we'll maybe see what someone else has to
say. When I get up the nerve to try dropping that pivot bushing I'll let
you know how it went. thanks nuke

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:41:31 EDT
From: CMarsh7717 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Pick-Up Truck Question

Hello out there,

I have questions about 1980 to 1986 Ford F150 Pickups. Is the frame (excluding
suspension and crossmembers,etc.etc..) the same on 2WD and 4WD pick-up trucks?
Also are the cabs the same on 2WD and 4WD models? I would appreciate any input
from anyone who has experience in building a 4WD from a 2WD or replacing a 4WD
frame and cab from a 2WD.

Thanks
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:47:52 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: Pick-up truck question

Ah, wanna change the 2wd into a man's vehicle, eh? :D NO flames
from the 2 leggers now....
The cabs, fenders, bed etc will be identical on 2 or 4 wheel drives.
The frames will be the same as far as a body swap is concerned. The
differences in the frame would be suspension and drivetrain oriented.
This would mean possibly an extra crossover mount for the transfer
case or whatever, or a difference in the front suspension and/or
steering to accomodate a 'drive' axle. As for specifics I can't tell
you definitely. I can say the body swap would be the simpliest. It
would give you a good opportunity to put a body lift on while your at
it too.

Have fun
Later,
Randy (Brew)

CMarsh7717 aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello out there,
>
> I have questions about 1980 to 1986 Ford F150 Pickups. Is the frame (excluding
> suspension and crossmembers,etc.etc..) the same on 2WD and 4WD pick-up trucks?
> Also are the cabs the same on 2WD and 4WD models? I would appreciate any input
> from anyone who has experience in building a 4WD from a 2WD or replacing a 4WD
> frame and cab from a 2WD.
>
> Thanks
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:48:55 EDT
From: A4T1RAT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Pick-Up Truck Question

This is a piece of cake swap..... just bolt in your 4x4 ttb ft suspension on
your 2x4 susp mounts ... the transmission will need to be converted to short
shaft tail shaft for the T-case replace the crossmember with a 4x4 one ade a
couple drive shafts and your off.... you will need to mount the shift lever
for the t-case but that is bolt on except you need to cut a hole in the
floor....I have done mane 2x4-4x4 and 4x4-2x4 swaps and conversions if you
need more info E mail me A4T1RAT aol.com
Gordon
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:07:42 -0500
From: "BigRed"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: dead truck

Don't put a bigger fuse in instead. If anything put a 15 in it's place. If
it's rated at 18 amps then you don't want to get any more than that going
through it, that would defeat the purpose of the fuse. If you're going to
put a bigger fuse in you might as well just forget the fuse and just connect
the wires directly.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Casey Vandor
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 11:24 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: dead truck


>So if I do find a fusable link that is bad, should I just cut it out and
>then add a fuse where it was? I did find one for example that was rated
>18 amps. (unfortunetly it was still good) I have never seen 18's, would
>a 20 be ok, or do I need to track down an 18?
>
>Thanks
>Casey
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:21:28 -0500
From: "BigRed"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - question

I got a question for you all. What is the deal with the 5.0 in 1987 trucks.
Did Ford make changes to it halfway through the year? I'm rebuilding my
motor (which is the early one) and half of the parts out there I find say
they are for 87 1 and up. Are they just saying that for fun or is there a
reason? Thanks in advance.


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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:54:19 EDT....


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