80-96-list-digest Wednesday, September 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 318



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light and Tranny
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard Starting
FTE 80-96 - E4OD
FTE 80-96 - Re: drive to school
FTE 80-96 - Re: Locking rear brakes
RE: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light and Tranny
FTE 80-96 - Fog Lights
FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1982 302 pings constantly under part throttle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fog Lights
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Locking rear brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fog Lights
FTE 80-96 - Break Away Mirrors ??
FTE 80-96 - New: Have Tranny Question
FTE 80-96 - six block drain
Re: FTE 80-96 - Break Away Mirrors ??
Re: FTE 80-96 - New: Have Tranny Question

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:52:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert Fox
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light and Tranny

This happened to me once in my F-150, (351) turns out that the fuel
pressure regulator went bad and started sucking fuel into the vacuum line.

I had to turn the motor by hand to pump all the fuel out of the cylinders.

Robert Fox
95 Supercab Ranger
93 Supercab F-150
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On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Garr&Pam wrote:

> This one will test the best! I driving to dinner last night (about 20
> minutes into the trip) and the check engine light flickered on. The
> truck stalled out. This is a 1990 Ford F-150 with 351W (5.8L) with E4OD
> and a Hypertech chip. Upon stalling, huge puffs of smoke came out of
> each tailpipe. I tried to restart in hopes of getting to a better
> stopping location. Kicked over a little but blowing black smoke,
> extremely fuel rich. Almost smelled like straight fuel. It then would
> backfire through the intake. Finally got it to start and dropped it
> into gear (D), hit the gas and it wouldn't go anywhere. I manually put
> it into first gear and it would inch forward. So--Summary, Fuel rich,
> backfiring and igniting through intake, won't control shifting, check
> engine light flickering or staying solid, and lots of exhaust. It gets
> better. I started to call a tow truck and 20 minutes went by. It
> started fine. Ran fine, and got me almost to the restaurant when it
> started again. Check engine light came on and it started
> firing through the intake and backfiring. Forced it into the restaurant
> parking lot, ate dinner and thought evil thoughts about selling it and
> buying a 1999 Ford F-250 then it ran fine and took me home. ???I am
> confused on this one??? Please help, do I need a computer?
>
> The good new is that the light come on, now the code is stored in the
> computer and if you have it scanned it will tell you whats wrong!
>
> The bad is if it wsa dumping fuel into the exhaust sytem like you said
> then it probably wiped out your O2 sensor and maybe catalytic converter.
>
> It could be the computer since it controls engine and tranny, it could
> be a couple of other things. I think the tranny shifts by information
> from the throttle positioning sensor so this maybe part of the problem
> too!
> Chris
> 94 Lightning
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:18:12 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard Starting

DHall8577 aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-09-14 06:44:56 EDT, you write:
>
>
> when hot just after stopping for a short time will barely turn over. Done
> the usual stuff new Battery, cables, selenoid.I've heard this is a common
> problem.Whats the best fix?? Thanks, Dave >>
>
> Sounds to me Dave like the bushings in your starter are going south! When they
> heat up they expand therefore needing extra cranking power to turn it over!
> Get a new starter!

Try finding a heat shield for your starter...try summit
Chris
94 Lightning
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:18:56 -0500
From: "Scott J. Mitchell"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - E4OD

>>Howdy,
>>
>>I'm new to the list and need some info.. I have a '92 F250 Supercab 4X4
>>with a 460 and the E4OD with aprox. 85k miles. I have had intermittant
>>hard-shifting problems when the trans. is warm since it turned 50k. It
>>seems to be o.k. after a fluid and filter change, but then gets this
>problem
>>about 6 months to a year after that. 85% of the miles have been highway
>and
>>I have not done a lot of heavy towing. Any history with this and what's
>the
>>fix??
>>
>>Thanks a bunch-
>>Scott
>>
>>
>>
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:01:04 PDT
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: drive to school

good idea... I would be pretty sore though :)
>>>>>>>
Casey,
I do the samething and never use mine either unless I am jacking
it up or on a REALLY steep hill. I think I have a solution for us
forgetting to pull off the e-brake before we get going. That is we
need to put signs on the trucks saying " Kick me if my e-brake is on ".
:-)

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:28:14 -0500
From: David Anderson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Locking rear brakes

> Will any old replacement brake shoe fix the problem or is it something to
do with the
design of the brake setup?

I would pull the rear drums and make sure something else like contamination
(brake fluid or rear axle grease) is not causing the problem then go down to
Advance, Autozone, etc and get their lifetime guaranteed shoes for less than
$15. Unless something leaks and gums them up, you'll probably never have to
look them again.
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:37:53 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light and Tranny

Robert Fox wrote:

> This happened to me once in my F-150, (351) turns out that the fuel
> pressure regulator went bad and started sucking fuel into the vacuum line.
>
> I had to turn the motor by hand to pump all the fuel out of the cylinders.
>
I was going to recommend the same. Try replacing the fuel pressure
regulator. It sounds like it is just an intermittent problem now but
eventually it will fail completely.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

> > This one will test the best! I driving to dinner last night (about 20
> > minutes into the trip) and the check engine light flickered on. The
> > truck stalled out. This is a 1990 Ford F-150 with 351W (5.8L) with E4OD
> > and a Hypertech chip. Upon stalling, huge puffs of smoke came out of
> > each tailpipe. I tried to restart in hopes of getting to a better
> > stopping location. Kicked over a little but blowing black smoke,
> > extremely fuel rich. Almost smelled like straight fuel. It then would
> > backfire through the intake. Finally got it to start and dropped it
> > into gear (D), hit the gas and it wouldn't go anywhere. I manually put
> > it into first gear and it would inch forward. So--Summary, Fuel rich,
> > backfiring and igniting through intake, won't control shifting, check
> > engine light flickering or staying solid, and lots of exhaust. It gets
> > better. I started to call a tow truck and 20 minutes went by. It
> > started fine. Ran fine, and got me almost to the restaurant when it
> > started again. Check engine light came on and it started
> > firing through the intake and backfiring. Forced it into the restaurant
> > parking lot, ate dinner and thought evil thoughts about selling it and
> > buying a 1999 Ford F-250 then it ran fine and took me home. ???I am
> > confused on this one??? Please help, do I need a computer?
> >
> > The good new is that the light come on, now the code is stored in the
> > computer and if you have it scanned it will tell you whats wrong!
> >
> > The bad is if it wsa dumping fuel into the exhaust sytem like you said
> > then it probably wiped out your O2 sensor and maybe catalytic converter.
> >
> > It could be the computer since it controls engine and tranny, it could
> > be a couple of other things. I think the tranny shifts by information
> > from the throttle positioning sensor so this maybe part of the problem
> > too!
> > Chris
> > 94 Lightning
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 13:27:34 +700
From: mrosneck pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fog Lights

Hello, all. I've been lurking for a few weeks. Nice list.

I need to confess that I am not an enthusiast of that gas sucking, wallet draining,
chunk of 1994 Ford F-250 Supercab iron that could squish my Miata in a single
bound. However, SHE *is* which relates directly to two flea-bitten equines that
can take 10 lbs of hay and turn it into 20 lbs of manure.

So, SHE wants fog lights and while I'm tempted to toss on a set of $20 Walmart
specials somehow it would spoil the ambiance and probably not make HER happy
- -- a bad thing. Also, I really don't see how to easily mount a set on the front
of the truck. Some of the air dams in the pictorials on the web site look pretty
nifty. Any recommendations for air dams or other thoughts?

And remember -- this isn't just a question -- it's a Christmas present.

I appreciate your time.

Mark
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:47:42 PDT
From: "Jorge Ramirez"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:48:57 -0400
From: "Golly, Scott M"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light and TrannyGentlemen and ladies,
This one will test the best! I driving to dinner last night (about 20
minutes into the trip) and the check engine light flickered on. The
truck
stalled out. This is a 1990 Ford F-150 with 351W (5.8L) with E4OD and a
Hypertech chip.

*********
Try taking out the chip. Scott, I responded to directly by mistake,sorry
:(
JR

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:03:10 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1982 302 pings constantly under part throttle

>From: "Dave Schultz"
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1982 302 pings constantly under part throttle
>
>I have a 82 Club Wagon that pings almost constantly
>under part throttle conditions.
>The EGR valve was replaced at a dealer to fix an
>emissions test failure. I have adjusted the timing from
>the factory setting of 8 BTDC to 12BTDC with
>almost no reduction in pinging. The engine has
>plenty of power and will not ping under full throttle
>or when the vacuum advance is disconnected.

Yo Dave:

Your last observation (no pinging when vacuum advance disconnected) is the
key. All Ford distributors w/ vac advance have an adjustable diaphragm in
the vac advance canister. You can insert a 1/8" Allen-type hex key into
the vacuum hose nipple on the canister and engage a screw that controls
spring tension against the diaphragm.

Clockwise rotation reduces spring tension, which increases the sensitivity
to vacuum. Counter-clockwise rotation increases spring tension, which
decreases the sensitivity to vacuum. Since you have observed reduced
pinging w/ no vac advance, you want to reduce the sensitivity (turn
counter-clockwise). You can try 2-3 turns and then test drive to determine
if it's effective. You can repeat the adjust/test (trial & error)
procedure until you find the setting that works.

FYI: The vac advance diaphragms I have experience w/ have a range of about
14-17 turns from all the way in to all the way out. You can determine your
current setting by rotating the screw all the way in (clockwise) and
counting the number of turns. If you count the turns from where you are to
all the way in, then count the turns from all the way in to all the way out
and compare the numbers, that'll give you an idea where you are. As you
adjust the spring tension on the diaphragm, it seems like the change in
vacuum sensitivity is pretty much linear.

BTW: You should return your static (initial) timing to the factory spec
before you start adjusting the vac advance.

Good luck w/ your van.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:57:29 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fog Lights

mrosneck pacifier.com wrote:
I need to confess that I am not an enthusiast of that gas sucking,
wallet draining, chunk of 1994 Ford F-250 Supercab iron that could
squish my Miata in a single bound. However, SHE *is* which relates
directly to two flea-bitten equines that can take 10 lbs of hay and turn
it into 20 lbs of manure.

So, SHE wants fog lights and while I'm tempted to toss on a set of $20
Walmart specials somehow it would spoil the ambiance and probably not
make HER happy -- a bad thing. Also, I really don't see how to easily
mount a set on the front of the truck. Some of the air dams in the
pictorials on the web site look pretty nifty. Any recommendations for
air dams or other thoughts?

Downs Ford sells the air dam that originally came on the Lightnings, if
your lucky the are already bolt holes in the bottem edge of the
bumper.....IF?!!! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.downsford.com I think they run about 150

Hope this helps
Chris
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:45:17 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Locking rear brakes

Cool, thanks for the advice.

Rade
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From: David Anderson
To: '80 Ford Truck'
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 5:34 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Locking rear brakes


>> Will any old replacement brake shoe fix the problem or is it something
to
>do with the
>design of the brake setup?
>
>I would pull the rear drums and make sure something else like contamination
>(brake fluid or rear axle grease) is not causing the problem then go down
to
>Advance, Autozone, etc and get their lifetime guaranteed shoes for less
than
>$15. Unless something leaks and gums them up, you'll probably never have
to
>look them again.
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:49:27 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fog Lights

Mark,
I'm sorry that you can't appreciate a full-sized American made V-8
powered machine that certainly has alot more practicality than a
2-seat sports car wanna-be. I'm glad your better-half has good
taste...at least in trucks. BTW, try pulling those two flea-bitten
cabayos (I think that's the spanish word for it) w/the Miata, or maybe
the 10 lbs of hay is more suited to that car...or the 20 lbs....ahh
forget it.
Now w/that off my chest, is there room to fit lights behind the
grille? I could fit some in my '87 but don't know about the '94's. I
do like the factory air dam ones on the Lightnings. But if you go
aftermarket spend the money on a good quality set. You'll find plenty
in any off-road mag from companies like Dick Cepek, PIAA, Hella and
others.

Later,
Randy (Brew)

mrosneck pacifier.com wrote:
>
> Hello, all. I've been lurking for a few weeks. Nice list.
>
> I need to confess that I am not an enthusiast of that gas sucking, wallet draining,
> chunk of 1994 Ford F-250 Supercab iron that could squish my Miata in a single
> bound. However, SHE *is* which relates directly to two flea-bitten equines that
> can take 10 lbs of hay and turn it into 20 lbs of manure.
>
>
> And remember -- this isn't just a question -- it's a Christmas present.
>
> I appreciate your time.
>
> Mark
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:46:51 -0600 (MDT)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Break Away Mirrors ??

Hi All,

Because our (Ford trucks) outside mirrors are so well attached, my door was
ruined, when someone, mad at me, used the sturdiness of the attachment,
like a gymnast, with a kung fu kick. It's costing $500 to fix it. I would
rather have lost a 50-100 bucks mirror! And mad one would have been on the
ground, with a sore tailbone!

A tight squeeze between trees, too close to a pole, etc., would do the same.

Is there a break-away mirror?

Thanks in advance,

Zeb

88 F250 SC 7.3 4wd

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:15:47 -0700
From: mparrott thomas.com (Michael Parrott)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New: Have Tranny Question

Hello,

I am new to this list, so pardon if this question has been answered already. I have a 89' Clubwagon with the C6 3speed tranny. My question is, how difficult is it to drain the torque converter, and with everything drained what is the correct amount of fluid to put back in?? The two manuals I have, seam to contradict each other. Thanks in advance..

Mike Parrott

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:14:14 -0700
From: Joe Mintz
Subject: FTE 80-96 - six block drain

Rick,
I'm not that familiar with the 300 six, but I can tell you this.
During a coolant change, on my 460 (before this summer), I bought a
flushing kit from prestone. I installed it, per the instructions, and
flushed the radiator, engine, etc. I located two square drain plugs
(near the exhaust manifold outlets), and knowing they were block drain
plugs, decided to pull them. At least a gallon of flush water came out
of them (garden hose disconnected). I recommend that if you're block
has one, pull it, you'd be surprised how much water is still in that
block. If you don't have one, I recommend a 60-65% coolant/water ratio,
since it will be diluted. Just my 2 cents, but yes, if the block
doesn't have the drain plugs, yes, there's still plenty of flushing
water in the block. Hope this helps.
Joe

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:23:57 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Break Away Mirrors ??

I don't know what year you have but on both my '83 and my current '90 the
mirrors had a hinge where they mount to the door. I have lost count of how
many times I have whacked them with a branch or something while driving and
had them fold nicely against the door.

Rade
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From: Lamar Zabielski
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 1:49 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Break Away Mirrors ??


>Hi All,
>
>Because our (Ford trucks) outside mirrors are so well attached, my door was
>ruined, when someone, mad at me, used the sturdiness of the attachment,
>like a gymnast, with a kung fu kick. It's costing $500 to fix it. I would
>rather have lost a 50-100 bucks mirror! And mad one would have been on the
>ground, with a sore tailbone!
>
>A tight squeeze between trees, too close to a pole, etc., would do the
same.
>
>Is there a break-away mirror?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Zeb
>
>88 F250 SC 7.3 4wd
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:16:17 -0500
From: "BigRed"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New: Have Tranny Question

You might have to take the converter out in order to drain it. I have
noticed on a couple of mine that they did not have drain plugs. When I
finally broke down and bought a Reman tranny it came with a new converter
that had a drain plug in it. Either way you'll have to take the little cover
off the lower part of the bellhousing and turn the motor over by hand. While
turning it look at the converter for a plug. If you are lucky there will be
one there. I can't remember how much fluid they hold though. Your best bet
would be to put a few quarts in and keep checking as you add more while it's
running and you run it through the gears a few times.
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From: Michael Parrott
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 9:27 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New: Have Tranny Question....

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