80-96-list-digest Tuesday, September 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 317



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - front end shake, fixed!
FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light and Tranny
Re: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light and Tranny
FTE 80-96 - Re: Locking Rear Brakes
FTE 80-96 - Update on the hubs, as promised.
FTE 80-96 - 4.9 six block drain
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1982 302 pings constantly under part throttle
Re: FTE 80-96 - 4.9 six block drain
Re: FTE 80-96 - Update on the hubs, as promised.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bronco II missing/ dead spot
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Drive to school
FTE 80-96 - Re: Locking rear brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Hard starting
FTE 80-96 - alpt of questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - ? open circuit
FTE 80-96 - Radius Arm Bushings/ Pivot arm Bushings
FTE 80-96 - Radius arm/pivot arm bushings
FTE 80-96 - Hard Starting
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: T-shirt design
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Locking rear brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - alpt of questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Locking rear brakes

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 03:50:25 -0700
From: Joe Mintz
Subject: FTE 80-96 - front end shake, fixed!

My sincere thanks to the members of this list that have offered advice
regarding my posting about the shuddering of my truck's front end (and
almost complete loss of control) when hitting large bumps with my
F-250. Those who guessed tires were absolutely correct. I assumed it
was a steering/suspension problem, but it was the tires, as indicated as
the possible problem by list members. They had apparently torn
themselves apart from the inside-out. The various belts were ruined,
inhibiting sidewall stability. I had them replaced today, with new
Goodyears, purposely drove over the same section of roadway that caused
this problem; nothing, stable, secure wheel to the road feeling. It was
the lack of sidewall stability that caused what became (worn out
goodyears) to became giant inner tubes to bounce, which caused this
(dangerous) sensation. Thanks again to all of those that offered advice
regarding this matter, you not only saved me money, but a lot of
frustration, and safety, thank you!
Best regards,
Joe
1995 F-250HD "Hunter" 460 E40D 4.10LS Supercab 4X2

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:48:57 -0400
From: "Golly, Scott M"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light and Tranny

Gentlemen and ladies,

This one will test the best! I driving to dinner last night (about 20
minutes into the trip) and the check engine light flickered on. The truck
stalled out. This is a 1990 Ford F-150 with 351W (5.8L) with E4OD and a
Hypertech chip. Upon stalling, huge puffs of smoke came out of each
tailpipe. I tried to restart in hopes of getting to a better stopping
location. Kicked over a little but blowing black smoke, extremely fuel rich.
Almost smelled like straight fuel. It then would backfire through the
intake. Finally got it to start and dropped it into gear (D), hit the gas
and it wouldn't go anywhere. I manually put it into first gear and it would
inch forward. So--Summary, Fuel rich, backfiring and igniting through
intake, won't control shifting, check engine light flickering or staying
solid, and lots of exhaust. It gets better. I started to call a tow truck
and 20 minutes went by. It started fine. Ran fine, and got me almost to the
restaurant when it started again. Check engine light came on and it started
firing through the intake and backfiring. Forced it into the restaurant
parking lot, ate dinner and thought evil thoughts about selling it and
buying a 1999 Ford F-250 then it ran fine and took me home. ???I am confused
on this one??? Please help, do I need a computer?

Thanks in advance,
Scott Golly
Battelle
(410) 569-0200


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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:50:34 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light and Tranny

This one will test the best! I driving to dinner last night (about 20
minutes into the trip) and the check engine light flickered on. The
truck stalled out. This is a 1990 Ford F-150 with 351W (5.8L) with E4OD
and a Hypertech chip. Upon stalling, huge puffs of smoke came out of
each tailpipe. I tried to restart in hopes of getting to a better
stopping location. Kicked over a little but blowing black smoke,
extremely fuel rich. Almost smelled like straight fuel. It then would
backfire through the intake. Finally got it to start and dropped it
into gear (D), hit the gas and it wouldn't go anywhere. I manually put
it into first gear and it would inch forward. So--Summary, Fuel rich,
backfiring and igniting through intake, won't control shifting, check
engine light flickering or staying solid, and lots of exhaust. It gets
better. I started to call a tow truck and 20 minutes went by. It
started fine. Ran fine, and got me almost to the restaurant when it
started again. Check engine light came on and it started
firing through the intake and backfiring. Forced it into the restaurant
parking lot, ate dinner and thought evil thoughts about selling it and
buying a 1999 Ford F-250 then it ran fine and took me home. ???I am
confused on this one??? Please help, do I need a computer?

The good new is that the light come on, now the code is stored in the
computer and if you have it scanned it will tell you whats wrong!

The bad is if it wsa dumping fuel into the exhaust sytem like you said
then it probably wiped out your O2 sensor and maybe catalytic converter.

It could be the computer since it controls engine and tranny, it could
be a couple of other things. I think the tranny shifts by information
from the throttle positioning sensor so this maybe part of the problem
too!
Chris
94 Lightning
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:01:35 -0700
From: "Bowman, John A"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Locking Rear Brakes

I dodn't know what vintage your truck is but I had a similar problem
with my '83 F100. Turned out that the rear axle seals were leaking just
enough to contaminate the brake linings but not enough to wet the
backing plate on the outside. Replaced the seals and everything was OK.

*************************************
J.A. Bowman
'83 F100 "Big Red"
email: jbowman MTT.CA
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:22:53 -0400
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Update on the hubs, as promised.

Thanks again for all the info on replacing the automatic hubs on my '95.
I sat down yesterday afternoon to give it another shot, finally found the
retaining ring, broke four tools, put the cover back on, and had a lovely
beverage. At least I now know what I'm up against, so I'm going to look
around for some more applicable tools before finishing this job. And it
WILL be finished the next time I try this....

You guys have been a huge help. I hate to admit it, but I don't think I
would have figured this one out on my own. :)

- -Mike


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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:34:05 -0600
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 4.9 six block drain

I am changing the anti-freeze in my 95 F-150 six cylinder. Does the 4.9l
six have a block drain? If it does where do I find it?

Larry
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:41:03 -0500
From: Jason DiSalvo
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1982 302 pings constantly under part throttle

O.K., I had the same prob. with a 1989 Bronco. 302 v8. We could not figure
it out. They finally did. The spark plug wires were wraped around each
other. Like a piec of rope. We took them all out put them in next to each
other. Not wound up . Try that.

Jason




>I have a 82 Club Wagon that pings almost constantly under part throttle
>conditions.
>The EGR valve was replaced at a dealer to fix an emissions test failure. I
>have adjusted the timing from the factory setting of 8 BTDC to 12BTDC with
>almost no reduction in pinging. The engine has plenty of power and will
>not ping under full throttle or when the vacuum advance is disconnected.
>
>Thanks for any suggestions you can provide.
>
>Dave Schultz
>dschultz pop.dn.net
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:58:21 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 4.9 six block drain

Smeins, Larry wrote:

> I am changing the anti-freeze in my 95 F-150 six cylinder. Does the 4.9l
> six have a block drain? If it does where do I find it?

Larry,
My '83 Bronco does not. Don't really know why you would want
to mess with that anyway. I mean if you flush the system regularly
(at least once a year) then all the crap and gunk should stay cleaned
up.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:05:54 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Update on the hubs, as promised.

Michael J. Pasznik, Jr. wrote:

> Thanks again for all the info on replacing the automatic hubs on my '95.
> I sat down yesterday afternoon to give it another shot, finally found the
> retaining ring, broke four tools, put the cover back on, and had a lovely
> beverage. At least I now know what I'm up against, so I'm going to look
> around for some more applicable tools before finishing this job. And it
> WILL be finished the next time I try this....

Well thats what we're here for. Did you brake the dental set
I mentioned ? If that is the case then you need the smallest
flathead screwdriver you have to get up underneath it once
you pick it up with one of the dental tools.


> You guys have been a huge help. I hate to admit it, but I don't think I
> would have figured this one out on my own. :)



I think so, you just probably would of went through a
few more beverages, and cuss words for the neighbors
to hear before you got it apart. :-)


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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:04:31 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bronco II missing/ dead spot

You might want to have the Throttle Position Sensor checked. It would show
up w/ EEC-IV code reading.

Bob


At 09:36 PM 9/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I hava a problem that someone might be able to diagnose for me, please!
>My 89 Bronco II 2.9 V6 5-speed has a heck of a miss/dead spot when your
>accelerating or just driving normally without excessive acceleration.
>It only does it with the A/C on, but it is not doing it when the a/c
>clutch kicks in. I have strong pull and then dead spot, like the engine
>cuts out then 1/4 second later comes right back. It's really getting
>annoying. Can anyone give me an idea where to start??? Thanks again!
>Mike
>xplorit erols.com
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:27:26 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Drive to school

Casey Vandor wrote:

> About leaving it in nuetral. Can I park it in gear and slip it out in
> the morning, or is it too stiff to get it out of gear after it sits
> overnight? I don't use the e-brake at all, (casue I always forget its
> on) but I could chalk a wheel if leaving it in gear overnight is not
> good.

Casey,
I do the samething and never use mine either unless I am jacking
it up or on a REALLY steep hill. I think I have a solution for us
forgetting to pull off the e-brake before we get going. That is we
need to put signs on the trucks saying " Kick me if my e-brake is on ".
:-)


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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:50:00 -0500
From: David Anderson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Locking rear brakes

>When my truck's cold, the first couple of stops the brakes are VERY
sensitive and the rears lock up. After it warms up it gets normal. Any
ideas?

This could be the subject of frequently mentioned TSB # 9346 covering many
87 - 93's. Grabby rear brakes happen on first stops particularly on rainy
or humid days. The TSB explains that the linings simply absorb water and
grab until they dry out. The solution is new rear brake shoes and clean the
drums.
David
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:59:12 EDT
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Hard starting

In a message dated 9/13/98 9:39:49 AM Mountain Daylight Time, dmerc unm.edu
writes:

> I have a 86 F-250HD with a 460 engine.Truck starts right up when cold but
> when hot just after stopping for a short time will barely turn over. Done
> the usual stuff new Battery, cables, selenoid.I've heard this is a common
> problem.Whats the best fix?? Thanks, Dave
>
Dave,
Mine always did this and it was always the starter motor. This was a 460 in a
1978 F-350. I tried several "cheap" rebuilt starters and it would fail again
in about 6 months. I finally broke down and bought a new one and it worked for
years.
D Baken
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:59:24 PDT
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - alpt of questions

Hi, everyone, a couple of months I informed all of you that my
granparents were going to by a 15 acre farm, well someone bought it
before them. Now they have an offer on the table for another farm. It
has 32 acres on it!!! It also has a 10 foot deep pond, a waterfall, a
stream, a riding arena, atleast 3 pastures, and I think it has 2 barns.
When they retire they are planning on having alpacka and chickens, and
somebody is currently renting space of board horses on the property (not
sure if he is going o stay). We were wondering what kind of truck would
be good for this farm, and what options it should have (automatic,
4x4,etc.)?? He can only spend about $10,000.
Also if you remember I asked what kind of truck is good for snow
plowing because my dad is thinking about starting a small snow removal
business?? Well he still wants to do it but he thinks he will have to
wait a little while, but the farm has a long gravel driveway and we were
wondering if it can be plowed since it is gravel?
I was also wondering if anyone knew of any tracter sites? I would
like to find the John Deer Page if they have one.
Sorry for the long message.
Thanks,
The Schmidt Family

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:10:29 -0500
From: "Parker Brooks"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ? open circuit

also, if it means anything to you, we have this in common as well...

i have the buzzer disconnected AND (i know this doesn't apply to you) have
removed my airbag and disconnected the idiot light that comes on to tell you
something is wrong.

parker
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From: T.Gill
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 5:45 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ? open circuit


>I have a 1993 F-150 XL 4x4. I have been having an intermittent problem
>with an open circuit, my battery died Saturday. When I disconnect the
>negative battery cable and connect a multimeter between the cable and
>the battery post I get 2.35 amp drain from the battery. When I pull fuse
>#8 for the circuit including courtesy, dome, cargo lamps, the radio and
>speedometer memory, and the warning buzzer and chime module, the drain
>returns to a few milliamps. I had this problem last year and sprayed the
>connector for the buzzer with WD-40 and covered it with plastic, this
>fixed the problem. At the time I believed snow may have gotten in the
>connector and caused the drain. I had disconnected the buzzer several
>years earlier because I hate the noise and it was hanging where snow
>from my boots could easily enter the connector.
> I was wondering if I could cut the wires on the connector to disconnect
>it altogether? Would this be wise? Any advice on diagnosing this kind of
>problem would be appreciated.
>
>Trevor Gill
>Newfoundland, Canada.
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:29:45 EDT
From: DHall8577 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Radius Arm Bushings/ Pivot arm Bushings

In a message dated 98-09-12 06:49:14 EDT, you write:


all 93-96 F150 have this problem cause ford ran the exhaust to close to
the bushing, the replacement they sell now comes with a heat shield or
polyurethane holds up alot better to heat than rubber does! >>

You are right my right side is getting bad, guess I'll have to check in to
getting it replaced! I forgot to mention I replaced the serpentine belt
too....it snapped at about 85mph and took out a upper hose. But really, it is
in really good shape for 175,000 miles and it has just started an exhaust leak
I think, whenits cold I hear a ticky sound under the truck but it kinda quiets
up after its been driving for a while.

Dave
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:31:21 EDT
From: DHall8577 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Radius arm/pivot arm bushings

In a message dated 98-09-12 06:49:14 EDT, you write:


the elements of offroading is a little harsher to them than just
staying on the pavement. >>

Yes you have a point there! Sorry :-(

Dave
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:36:13 EDT
From: DHall8577 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hard Starting

In a message dated 98-09-14 06:44:56 EDT, you write:


when hot just after stopping for a short time will barely turn over. Done
the usual stuff new Battery, cables, selenoid.I've heard this is a common
problem.Whats the best fix?? Thanks, Dave >>

Sounds to me Dave like the bushings in your starter are going south! When they
heat up they expand therefore needing extra cranking power to turn it over!
Get a new starter!

Dave
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:23:11 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: T-shirt design

I had mentioned a couple of weeks ago that we would have
a prize pack for the winning t-shirt design. I forgot
to announce what the prize would be. It will include the
following:

a. free FTE t-shirt, hot off the press
b. 2 FTE window stickers
c. 1 meg web site space (http://www.ford-trucks.com/yourname)
for 1 year
d. email address (yourname ford-trucks.com) for 1 year. If you
already have one, you can have a second or have your 2nd
year for free.

If we can think of more, we'll add it.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:31:46 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Locking rear brakes

Thanks for the info, that about describes my problem perfectly. Will any
old replacement brake shoe fix the problem or is it something to do with the
design of the brake setup?

Rade
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From: David Anderson
To: '80 Ford Truck'
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 5:05 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Locking rear brakes


>>When my truck's cold, the first couple of stops the brakes are VERY
>sensitive and the rears lock up. After it warms up it gets normal. Any
>ideas?
>
>This could be the subject of frequently mentioned TSB # 9346 covering many
>87 - 93's. Grabby rear brakes happen on first stops particularly on rainy
>or humid days. The TSB explains that the linings simply absorb water and
>grab until they dry out. The solution is new rear brake shoes and clean
the
>drums.
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:41:45 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - alpt of questions

I would go with an late '80s/early '90s 4X4 F-350 with an EFI 460. That
would be about the best combination of durability and low maintenance. It
would be strong enough to haul anything and plow snow to boot.--Just my $.02

Rade
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From: Scottie Schmidt
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 8:06 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - alpt of questions


> Hi, everyone, a couple of months I informed all of you that my
>granparents were going to by a 15 acre farm, well someone bought it
>before them. Now they have an offer on the table for another farm. It
>has 32 acres on it!!! It also has a 10 foot deep pond, a waterfall, a
>stream, a riding arena, atleast 3 pastures, and I think it has 2 barns.
>When they retire they are planning on having alpacka and chickens, and
>somebody is currently renting space of board horses on the property (not
>sure if he is going o stay). We were wondering what kind of truck would
>be good for this farm, and what options it should have (automatic,
>4x4,etc.)?? He can only spend about $10,000.
> Also if you remember I asked what kind of truck is good for snow
>plowing because my dad is thinking about starting a small snow removal
>business?? Well he still wants to do it but he thinks he will have to
>wait a little while, but the farm has a long gravel driveway and we were
>wondering if it can be plowed since it is gravel?
> I was also wondering if anyone knew of any tracter sites? I would
>like to find the John Deer Page if they have one.
> Sorry for the long message.
> Thanks,
> The Schmidt Family
>
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