80-96-list-digest Saturday, September 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 314



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - radius arm bushings/pivot arm bushings
Re: FTE 80-96 - radius arm bushings/pivot arm bushings
FTE 80-96 - front end shimmy?
FTE 80-96 - E4OD
FTE 80-96 - Re: Drive to school
FTE 80-96 - 1982 302 pings constantly under part throttle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Drive to school
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1982 302 pings constantly under part throttle

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:20:53 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - radius arm bushings/pivot arm bushings

DHall8577 aol.com wrote:
>
Just a little information for ya. I too am going to have to change
both pivot bushings, radius arm and tie rod bushings. The alignment
shop made me aware of this after I replaced all my ball-joints
nd told me they would charge me $600.00 to align it if I

What year and milage are these trucks that you are referring to? I can't
believe you need to replace these items already?! I have a 94 F-150
with 175,000 miles on it with original everything excepts brakes and
tires. Even the exhaust system is still original!

What motor out of curiosity?

I would bet you have a worn passengers side radius arm bushing! I think
all 93-96 F150 have this problem cause ford ran the exhaust to close to
the bushing, the replacement they sell now comes with a heat shield or
polyurethane holds up alot better to heat than rubber does! It might be
just 351 powered F150s but I think the exhaust systems were all routed
the same way! Everything maybe still original but shape is it in. My dad
would drive his car until it fell apart LITERALLY the only thing he
would do was change the oil. (vw rabbit diesel) eventually the strut
towers rusted out. but you get my drift.

My radius arm bushing is bad on the passenger side so I planned on doing
both at the same time and since I was at it I decided to do the pivot
bushings too. I have never seen a pivot bushing go bad, but I have seen
the increase in handling by changing the rubber ones out to
polyurethane.
Chris
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:37:18 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - radius arm bushings/pivot arm bushings

DHall8577 aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-09-10 06:50:59 EDT, you write:
>
> What year and milage are these trucks that you are referring to? I can't
> believe you need to replace these items already?! I have a 94 F-150 with
> 175,000 miles on it with original everything excepts brakes and tires. Even
> the exhaust system is still original!

Dave, I have an '83 Fsize Bronco, 91k miles. You gotta remember,
the elements of offroading is a little harsher to them than just
staying on the pavement.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:22:07 -0400
From: "Skerrett, Michael"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - front end shimmy?

On 10 Sep 98, Ken Justice wrote:

Joe,

I have had some very bad shimmying experiences with my '96 F-150. I
would hit a bad bump or series of ridges in a road and I would have to
actually pull off the road and come to a complete stop in order to
regain control....

Ken,

I'm with you. I thought I would save a few bucks with the last set of tires
on my '92 F-150 5.0L X-cab so I bought what for a car would have been a
medium priced tire for the around town work my truck gets. I quickly
reconfirmed that trucks are not cars, regardless of where they are driven.
After about 3000 miles the front end started the shimmy you have
experienced. Rotate and balance took care of the problem for about another
3000 miles, but after that nothing could get the tires in balance. Hit just
about any manhole cover or chuckhole at above 40 MPH and the front end was
on its own. Nothing wrong mechanically up front, just real bad tires. I
clamped a video camera to the front bumper looking back at the front-left
wheel and found that the side wall was collapsing and the entire tire was
distorting after even a small bump. Slowing to under 35 would allow the
tire pressure to correct the distortion and viola, smooth again. I put the
tire pressure up to the listed maximum and the distortion would now begin at
about 55 and stop just below 50. Took those suckers back to Sam's (NEVER
AGAIN will I buy tires from Sam's) and got a full refund. I spent the extra
bucks and got the top of the line Goodyear tire for this class truck and all
my shimmy problems are gone. Have 20000 on this set, rotating and balancing
about every 3000 miles and it looks like they will wear for more than 60000.
Good investment, and the truck is much safer to drive now.

Joe, in my opinion, buy new GOOD tires. Thanks for the bandwidth.

MRS

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:27:59 -0500
From: "Scott J. Mitchell"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - E4OD

>Howdy,
>
>I'm new to the list and need some info.. I have a '92 F250 Supercab 4X4
>with a 460 and the E4OD with aprox. 85k miles. I have had intermittant
>hard-shifting problems when the trans. is warm since it turned 50k. It
>seems to be o.k. after a fluid and filter change, but then gets this
problem
>about 6 months to a year after that. 85% of the miles have been highway
and
>I have not done a lot of heavy towing. Any history with this and what's
the
>fix??
>
>Thanks a bunch-
>Scott
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:03:27 PDT
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Drive to school

About leaving it in nuetral. Can I park it in gear and slip it out in
the morning, or is it too stiff to get it out of gear after it sits
overnight? I don't use the e-brake at all, (casue I always forget its
on) but I could chalk a wheel if leaving it in gear overnight is not
good.

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:15:17 -0400
From: "Dave Schultz"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1982 302 pings constantly under part throttle

I have a 82 Club Wagon that pings almost constantly under part throttle
conditions.
The EGR valve was replaced at a dealer to fix an emissions test failure. I
have adjusted the timing from the factory setting of 8 BTDC to 12BTDC with
almost no reduction in pinging. The engine has plenty of power and will
not ping under full throttle or when the vacuum advance is disconnected.

Thanks for any suggestions you can provide.

Dave Schultz
dschultz pop.dn.net

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:15:09 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Drive to school

Casey,
I'd be VERY cautious about leaving any vehicle in neutral running or
not even if the land seemed flat. Chock the wheels if you feel that'd
be better than the e-brake, but that seems like more work to me. If
you have trouble make some sort of a reminder in the cab when the
brake is on, say a ribbon hanging on the wheel or something, you'll be
into the habit of using the e-brake w/o forgeting about it in no
time. This is also the best way to park it whether you leave it in
gear or not. Leaving it in gear doesn't cause any problems w/the
tranny or engine. The engines compression is what keeps the truck
from rolling so if you have a small displacement engine or have low
compression the e-brake would be better.
I used to have a Nissan that I used the e-brake on for a long time,
but after the cable broke I just started leaving it in gear. One time
while camping the truck was parked facing downhill towards the river
overnight and I thought my buddies maybe moved it closer to the river
by morning as a prank, but while eating breakfast I noticed the truck
move slightly, then about a half hour later it did it again. It was
from low compression. It would move just enough until the next
cylinders' compression again stopped it.
Sorry for all the bandwidth, but hope I could be of some assistance.

Later,
Randy (Brew)

Casey Vandor wrote:
>
> About leaving it in nuetral. Can I park it in gear and slip it out in
> the morning, or is it too stiff to get it out of gear after it sits
> overnight? I don't use the e-brake at all, (casue I always forget its
> on) but I could chalk a wheel if leaving it in gear overnight is not
> good.
>
> Thanks
> Casey
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:59:55 -0700
From: dhollingworth juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1982 302 pings constantly under part throttle

Try retarding the timing instead of advancing. Setting the timing from 8
BTDC to 12 BTDC will cause it to ping worse while retarding the timing to
less the 8 BTDC should reduce the pinging (also however reducing power as
well). Hopefully you can find a setting that eliminates pinging without
losing much power.

Dave

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:15:17 -0400 "Dave Schultz"
writes:
>I have a 82 Club Wagon that pings almost constantly under part
>throttle conditions.

>I have adjusted the timing from the factory setting of 8 BTDC to 12BTDC
>with almost no reduction in pinging.
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