80-96-list-digest Saturday, August 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 300



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - cracking noise
FTE 80-96 - Whine coming from the rear of the cab
RE: FTE 80-96 - cracking noise
FTE 80-96 - Atlanta Get-together in Sept at truck show
RE: FTE 80-96 - Whine coming from the rear of the cab
Re: FTE 80-96 - Coolant Temp Sensor Circuit
Re: FTE 80-96 - Thanx Gang(Blinkers Fixed)
FTE 80-96 - Re: Water Sepage into Cab
Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS Light

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:13:56 -0400
From: oldsluvr bellatlantic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - cracking noise

> > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:48:40 -0400
> > From: "William Talley"
> > Subject: FTE 80-96 - cracking noise
> >
> > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I need help in tracking down a very loud noise in my truck. (No its
> > not the wife). It can happen at anytime, not associated with bumps or
> > braking.
> > > I'll just be driving along and POP! It seems to come from the right
> > side of the cab. Its almost as if the windshield is being broken. Is
> > loud enough to make you jump when it happens. I've looked around
> > inside, pushed down on the dash and out on the windshield to try to make
> > it happen but can't.
> > > Has anyone had a similar problem? I need to get this fixed before the
> > wife has a heart attack cause of this noise.
> > >
> > > Rick Buchanan
> > > 92 F150 4x4 SuperCab
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
I've got a similar problem in my 92 F-250 Reg.Cab. I bought the truck
used last year, and it was pretty filthy, and not well cared for. I
removed the door panels during my thorough cleaning, in addition to
having to replace the shot front speakers in the doors.

I noticed that on the very first ride i took, when i put the panels
back on, just over to the local video store 5 min. away, i drove over a
small bump in the road, and heard a very loud pop/crack type of noise,
from the right side of the cab. I was puzzled to say the least, but in
consideration of just reinstaling the door panels, i thought that was
probably the culprit. I had one hell of a time trying to get all the
push in clips on the backside of the door panel to seat properly. What
had happened in my case here was the door panel actually popped back
out a little bit, because i checked it when i stopped, and when i
pushed against the door panel, it pushed closer to the door. When i put
it on, i know i pushed it on and seated the clips as far as they would
go. My guess is , which i noticed a couple of other people have already
mentioned here too, is the "plastic" making these noises. My truck is
an XLT, which has the door panel with speakers grills near the top
front corner. Cloth inserts running across near the top. A storage
pocket about mid-way opposite the door opening handle with a courtesy
light just underneath of that. A map pocket along the bottom with
carpeted trim running the whole length of the bottom of the door. It
also has power windows and locks. I would be curious to know if anybody
has a more "base model" truck with different style door panels, or even
no door panels, just a painted metal panel, and gets this
noise.....???......anybody.....???

--
Thanks And Thanks And My Take
A Or To Or .02 Your
Lot ... All ... Cents Pick....
....
..

....................... E.J. .......................

1984 Olds Cutlass Calais 307 K+N T-Tops (soon to be 403)
1979 Pontiac Trans Am T-tops (403 organ donor for the 84 Olds)
1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC Moonroof 5.0 302 HO K+N
1992 Ford F-250 Reg. Cab 4WD 460 K+N (gee,could my gas
mileage be any worse !,gotta love that big block though) Auto.
1994 Toyota (Wow we could have had a V6!) Camry Sedan 4 Banger
K+N (why did I even bother, still a slug!) Auto.
(my other halves ride, forgive me !)
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 08:18:56 PDT
From: "Mike Mueller"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Whine coming from the rear of the cab

Hey all-
I too have the popping sound in the dash, the creaking pop in the cross =
member, and the bushing knock in the front I beams, but this is different=
...

I'm heading off to Lake Tahoe for the weekend and I thought I would let =
you know about this whine that ususally comes from the rear of the cab.

Tahoe from my house is about a 3 hour drive. Right about Sacramento-ish,=
one hour into driving, I will start getting this lil whine that continue=
s for the next couple of hours. It will keep getting louder as we go, =
we've tried to drown it out by turning up the radio but to no avail. I =
have a super cab and some times it comes from right behind me and then =
other times it comes more from the passenger side or even the middle. =
It starts small, might go away for a little bit, but is always sure to =
come back. As life goes on I seem to get more and more used to it.

Best way to describe it- It sounds like this, "When are we going to get =
there?
But sometimes it's a lot more frantic, "DADDY, I SAID, ARE WE THERE YET?"=
(in as sarcastic a tone as a 4 year old can get)

I'm sure others on this list have the same sounds, or something close com=
ing from their back seats. Just a friendly reminder, there's more to lif=
e than working on our beloved vehicles. Let's get out there and take som=
e time to enjoy life! Use these vehicles for what we bought them for. =
Get a little whine going, and then make it all worth while!

Most important, whatever you do, have a great weekend!



Thanks!

Mike Mueller
The Leasing Dept.
Equipment Leasing and Funding
www.leasingdept.com
"looking forward to the whine, as well as the wine"

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:11:54 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - cracking noise

I finally found several sources of the popping noise on my '95 F-150
XLT.

One is coming from the right door where the bottom pocket is attached to
the front edge of the door. It is the loudest. I don't know how they did
it, but Ford managed to make a sound that women can't stand. If you grab
the front of the pocket where it meets the front of the door panel and
try to move it around you will hear it. I have not fixed it yet, but I
am thinking of removing the door panel and either gluing it or dampening
it with a piece of electrical tape or Clear RTV.

The second place, not as loud, is coming from the glove box. The top of
the glove box has sharp corners on it and it is coming in contact with
the radiused inside pockets of the dash. If you take a sharp knife or
file and round off this corner it will stop this one.

There are many more smaller creaks and pops but these are the ones I've
found. There is also a disagreeable sound that only occurs when she is
in the truck, but it is impossible to suppress : )

Scott
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:56:31 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Atlanta Get-together in Sept at truck show

I'd like to meet up with other Georgia FTE list members Saturary,
Sept 12th. Petersen is having the U.S. Truck Fest at the Atlanta
Motor Speedway from Sept 11-13. Tickets are $15, $5 for children
3-12. If you buy in advance they are $12 and $5, available at
Ticketmaster locations. The Atlanta Motor Speedway is 40-50
miles south of Atlanta.

Everything from custom/classic trucks, 4x4s, truck races, monster
trucks, mudding, you name it, there's a little for everyone - even
a "Kids Extreme Zone." If you want to meet up with other FTE
members, please email me (kpayne ford-trucks.com) and we can work
out the details. If you leave your phone number I'll get in touch
directly - otherwise I'll email you. Peggy, the kids and I plan to
be at the show. Gary Bowling, it sure would be nice to see your
67 again (I'm jealous, I have its picture next to my computer!).

I found this information on Petersen's web site:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.petersenevents.com/truck_events/tre_f.html

Ken Payne
CoAdmin (kpayne ford-trucks.com)


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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:46:16 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Whine coming from the rear of the cab

Mike Mueller wrote:

> Best way to describe it- It sounds like this, "When are we going to get
> there?
> But sometimes it's a lot more frantic, "DADDY, I SAID, ARE WE THERE YET?"
> (in as sarcastic a tone as a 4 year old can get)
>
> I'm sure others on this list have the same sounds, or something close
> coming from their back seats.
>
Yep, my supercab has two of those whines. Ford has claimed that this noise
will subside gradually as time goes on but will never completely go away.
One solution that has worked for some is to repeat the phrase "five more
minutes" everytime this whine is heard. For some, however, this seems to
make the whine worse so use at your own risk.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:38:19 -0500
From: "LeRoy Wolff"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Coolant Temp Sensor Circuit

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> From: Tony
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Coolant Temp Sensor Circuit
> Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 4:31 AM
>
> Hello,
> I have an '86 F150 302. I have noticed for some time that the
temperature
> guage reads very low at all times, about a maximum of one fifth of full
> scale deflection.

I notice that all my gauges will read a little low at times, the fuel, oil,
and temp. I think that the
voltage in the entire system is a little low when this happens.

I have a '84 F 150 200 six 2wd .

LeRoy Wolff


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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:43:08 -0500
From: "LeRoy Wolff"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Thanx Gang(Blinkers Fixed)

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> From: Rick Wojciechowski
> To: Bronco Owners ; FORD Truck List

> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Thanx Gang(Blinkers Fixed)
> Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 7:09 AM
>
> Thanx Guys fir all the help. Its fixed but I don't know why.
> Friday I went home and fiddled with my wires under the
> dash pulled the turn signal flasher a few times and " WHA LA ".
> One thing though, what is that light blue module looking
> box that is attached under the dash against the wall ? Its about an 1"
> thick and is about a 3 1/2" x 3 1/2". Anyways I will archive all the
> replies I recieved and keep and continue looking for the real problem
> with my truck. Thanx again gang.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rick Wojo

It might be a buzzer. I bought my 84 F 150 brand new and a week later I
took off the dash pad and
found that buzzer and unplugged it.

LeRoy Wolff
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:29:14 -0300
From: "Bowman, John A"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Water Sepage into Cab

I would also like to know where to look for this water leak. I have a
1983 F100 with 50,000 miles that is solid as a rock body wise or at
least I thought so. I noticed that there was water pudling in the area
around the drivers side kick panel after a heavy rain or when I washed
the truck. I found that the drains for the air vents in the kick panels
were plugged with leaves and the vents were filling up and over flowing
into the cab. I thought this would solve the problem but still found
water leaking in.

I then removed the rear window because water was leaking down the back
wall of the cab. I resealed the window and reinstalled it. I also
removed the rubber floor mat to dry out the insulation and found that
there were small patches of rust on the floor from the wet insulation.
It was wet all the way up the fire wall. More than I would expect from a
leaky rear window! I wire brushed the rust and found about 6 quarter
size holes through the floor. So much for my rust free truck. I welded
patches over the holes and know must look for the leak.

My next step will probably be to remove and reseal the windshield. The
truck also has factory installed clearance lights and they maybe leaking
and letting water run down the windshield pillar to the floor. Has
anyone else had the problem and found a solution?

John Bowman
1983 F100 - Big Red
jbowman mtt.ca

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:24:12 -0700
From: William Street
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS Light

Umm.. I'm a little confused. The diagnostics and the $240 was for the RABS
Module (the electronic doodad up under the dashboard) - so there is also a RABS valve

located on the frame rails? Do the diagnostics differentiate between the Module and
the Valve?

Bill

johny wrote:

> About a year or 2 ago, this happened to my 89 broncoII. I did not want
> to believe it was the RABS valve, but a $60 hookup to a Ford Diagnostic
> computer confirmed it. The $240 quote was about what I was quoted.(included
> labor??)
>
> I took a look at the part, and for $100 less, I did it my self.
> It's not that hard. Bought a flare nut wrench and...
> 2 lines in from the master cylinder, and 1 line out to the rear brakes.
> The thing is located on the frame rails and is pretty easy to get to.
> And there is an electrical connector on it.
>
> The broncoII being a much shorter wheelbase, was way easier to lock up
> the rear tires. Too scary for me not to fix.
>
> Oh, If I remember correctly it all started to happen, after I changed the brakes,
> and *then* decided to slam on them to see how well the brakes worked.
>
> Seems to be a trend on the "hard stop" theme? Wonder if there is a TSB?
> If you can't find it online, sometimes the local parts houses are a wealth
> of information. It's worth asking.
>
> For what it's worth, it was in the 70,000 mile territory as well.
>
> -john
>
> Ken Payne wrote:
>
> > Forwarded for: William Street
> >
> > I have the same problem on my 90 Ranger 2 wheel drive w/5 speed. Lights came
> > on after
> > a very hard stop. My brake guy ran diagnostics and said it was the RABS module
> > wh*ch
> > costs about $240 (plus labor). Since I wasn't prepared to fork out the money
> > at the time,
> > I've just lived with it - it's kinda like driving w/o ABS - you have to pump
> > the brakes to
> > keep from locking up the rears under hard decel. This happened over a year
> > ago.
> >
> > The kicker is: about a month ago the ABS and Brake lights went out - now they
> > come
> > on at random times but are off about 75% of the time. I haven't had the
> > 'opportunity'
> > to test ABS to see if it's really working. Not sure what to do next but am....


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