80-96-list-digest Thursday, August 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 297



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Cab Popping Noise
FTE 80-96 - ABS Light
FTE 80-96 - Tracking Down Pop!!
FTE 80-96 - 5-Speed Mazda Tranny
Re: FTE 80-96 - E-150 gas milage
RE: FTE 80-96 - Tracking Down Pop!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Tracking Down Pop!!
FTE 80-96 - cracking noise
FTE 80-96 - RE: Max A/C & Shocks
FTE 80-96 - FTE in Truckin' magazine
FTE 80-96 - 1993 F-150 XLT 302 V8
FTE 80-96 - RE: Tracking Down Pop!!
FTE 80-96 - Water seepage into the cab
FTE 80-96 - More noise info
FTE 80-96 - Tranny
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Member web contributions
FTE 80-96 - E-150 gas milage

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:21:08 -0500
From: Pete Kraus
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Cab Popping Noise

My '89 F250 4x4 7.3 diesel has a random crack/pop sound from the
right side of the regular cab similar to the noise Rick Buchanan
describes in his '92 F150 4x4 SuperCab. There is no discernible
pattern to it, except that the truck is usually rolling when it occurs.
When it first started a number of years ago, I expected to see a
cracked windshield, but that never happened. Now I ignore it.

I agree with Mike S. in Florida, whose '89 F350 is so afflicted, that the
noise is probably body-related. If someone knows of an easy fix,
please tell us.

Pete
Pete_Kraus emory.org
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:44:12 -0400
From: "Golly, Scott M"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ABS Light

Howdy Ford Friends,

I have a good one for you. My little lady gave me her truck and said that
she slammed the brakes on real hard yesterday to the point that the ABS had
to activate. Now the ABS light won't go off and the Brake light won't go
off. It is a 93 Ford Ranger XLT extended cab 4x4 with an auto tranny. I
checked the fluid level, it is good. No vacuum lines are disconnected, is
this a thing that I need to reset or what???

Scott Golly

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:07:07 -0400
From: "Skerrett, Michael"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tracking Down Pop!!

On 25 Aug., Rick wrote:

I need help in tracking down a very loud noise in my truck. (No its not =
=3D
the wife). It can happen at anytime, not associated with bumps or =3D
braking.....

Another list member said there was a TSB on this. I'm going to have a =
look
at that one because my '92 F150 XLT X-cab does the same thing. Has =
since it
was new. My "competent" dealer said they couldn't reproduce it. I =
have
operated my truck in Texas and Florida. both places require AC most of =
the
time and I have noticed that the pop is related to the cooling of the =
cab.
If the cab is very warm (most people north of Tennessee would call it =
HOT!)
and I run the AC on max until it is comfortable (about 70=B0) the pop =
will
present itself. If the cab was not too warm the pop either doesn't =
happen,
or is muted. It sounds like plastic and it always comes from behind =
and
above the glove compartment.=20

If anyone knows the TSB number please send it, either here on the list =
or to
my e-mail. While I do find it annoying, it is something we can live =
with,
but if I can fix it, that would be better.

Thanks, =20
M. R. Skerrett

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:17:21 -0600
From: Fred Moreno
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5-Speed Mazda Tranny

Hey Rick,

My 1995 F-150 5.0L EB 4X4 short bed has this tranny that requires Automatic
fluid every 30K miles. The first time I changed the fluid it had the same
metallic fuzz on the drain plug also, and I thought that this truck is never
going to see 100K miles. I realize that the original post involves an F-250
with a small block.

My attitude when I bought the truck was that since we live on a little
piece of land with too many animals, it was going to be a daily driver (75
miles round trip commute 5 times a week) and it would have to double as a
work truck on a part time basis. I have carried loads that have flattened
the springs, pulled a two-horse trailer and also flat bed trailer with way
too much alfafa stacked on it ( THAT should of "grenaded" the tranny, yeah I
know that was not the brightest thing I've done, but there's more...). The
truck has 114K miles on it with the original clutch and tranny and to be
quite honest everytime I change the fluid on the tranny, it's drain plugs
have that same metallic fuzz. Its a scary fact, but I can't say that the
tranny has caused me problems yet, maybe its because I run propane instead
of gasoline ( just kidding ).

I DO have a leak on this transmission that is frustrating and it comes out
of the top somewhere close to where the shifter enters the case. Maybe I am
over-filling it, I don't know. That is kind of hard to over-fill. Like
someone else on this list likes to say, "That's my story and I am sticking
to it". Don't despair.

Fred Moreno
Autotronic Controls Corp. - Alternate Fuels div.
Six more days 'till OPENING DAY!!!
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:33:03 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E-150 gas milage

Brant Sawzak wrote:

> I have an '84 E-150 with a 4.9 six, I was wondering if anyone else has
> something similar and what type of mpg they get. It has about 20K on a
> rebuild, about 135K total.

Brant,
On my Bronco I get about 11mpg with the I-6. Now a couple of
things affect my low mpg. I have larger than stock tires/mudders 33's
also I need to rebuild my carb. My truck has just over 90k. The engine
is still bone stock. Well with the exception I took off the smog pump
since it wasn't being used anyways when I bought it 2 1/2 years ago.
Once I rebuild the carb and get the engine timed correctly I expect to
see around 14-15 mpg which I don't think is out of the question. Oh,
also my mileage is either offroad or city driving.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:36:40 -0400
From: JGA
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Tracking Down Pop!!

I have the same thing (90 F 150) mostly in colder weather. Even standing
at idle as the heat builds up and warms the interior I hear it. I agree
with a previous poster, it seems like the tight fitting plastic parts
occasionally shift or expand - contract. When I first heard it I thought
the windshield was going to explode! Don't know what the cure is other
than possibly using some kind of plastic cleaner/lube so the parts slide
instead of instantly shifting causing the noise.

Luck

J

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:48:50 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tracking Down Pop!!

Skerrett, Michael wrote:

> operated my truck in Texas and Florida. both places require AC most of the
> time and I have noticed that the pop is related to the cooling of the cab.
> If the cab is very warm (most people north of Tennessee would call it HOT!)
> and I run the AC on max until it is comfortable (about 70) the pop will
> present itself. If the cab was not too warm the pop either doesn't happen,
> or is muted. It sounds like plastic and it always comes from behind and
> above the glove compartment.

Just to throw this out into the wind, but your heatercore is
behind the glove box, right ? And you meantion a temperature
relationship. You think the core and popping are related ?
Just trying to get some train of thought going here. I know
you don't design a truck to " pop " for the sake of annoying the
drivers and passengers.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:48:40 -0400
From: "William Talley"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - cracking noise

Hi All,
>
> I need help in tracking down a very loud noise in my truck. (No its
not the wife). It can happen at anytime, not associated with bumps or
braking.
> I'll just be driving along and POP! It seems to come from the right
side of the cab. Its almost as if the windshield is being broken. Is
loud enough to make you jump when it happens. I've looked around
inside, pushed down on the dash and out on the windshield to try to make
it happen but can't.
> Has anyone had a similar problem? I need to get this fixed before the
wife has a heart attack cause of this noise.
>
> Rick Buchanan
> 92 F150 4x4 SuperCab

Hey! My 91 supercab does the same thing! I notice it most on hot days
after the A/C has been on for about 5 minutes! Sounds for all the world
like something major has torn loose but so far no damage (far as I can
see)... I figgered it was the plastic in the dash contracting but i
would be interested in finding the TSB that somebody mentioned!


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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:07:33 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Max A/C & Shocks

Jorge:

Re : Max A/C

Max cooling is really a misnomer. As someone already stated,
selecting MAX cool only closes the outside air vent door so that you are
recirculating interior air. But as also stated, since your
recirculating air you are not trying to pressurize the cabin as you do
when you have the selector in normal cool. With the windows closed the
fan runs slower in this position because your trying to pump air into a
dead end. In the max cool position the fan doesn't have that problem,
your just spinning air around in a big circle through the evaporator.

I see people jumping in their vehicle, and turning on max cool
immediately with the interior temp hotter than the outside
temp........READ MY LIPS, this approach take loonnggeeerrr to cool the
cab. If the outside temp is cooler than the inside vehicle temp(most
often the case) the quickest way to cool the vehicle is to turn the A/C
to NORMAL, high speed fan and have the windows open a few inches to
expel the heat quickly. Once the temp in the vehicle is starting to get
cooler than the outside air, switch to max A/C to continue cooling the
'cooler' air in the cab. Try it and I guarantee you'll agree this is
the best way to go.

Now if it's cooler in the cab(than outside) already, (i.e.
parked in the shade and just got out a few minutes ago) then it makes
sense just to leave it in the max. position.

Your problem could be the vacuum servo, dash switch or the
mechanical cable(depends on year of vehicle) that connects the dash
selector to the outside air vent door. Not a difficult problem to fix
in any case. Good Luck.

Sorry for the long description here but it seems like very few
of MY friends seem to read their manuals and fully understand their
equipment and the simple effects of physics on their vehicles. I know
because I've asked them directly. They still look at me funny when I
DON'T turn the A/C to MAX as soon as the engine starts. I guess some
folks just don't get it.

Stay Cool Jorge.
Walt

Re : Shocks

I have Rancho 5000's and absolutely hate them, I would never
suggest them to anyone. On the other hand other folks seem to like them.
A friend just put Rancho 9000's on his Bronco and he like's the
adjustability. He said the firm setting is useless... it's like driving
with no springs(kidney belt territory).

Walt (my $0.02)

> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 04:56:48 PDT
> From: "Jorge Ramirez"
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - A/C problem
>
> Hello list...
>
> Problem: My A/C won't go to the MAX position. The switch turns OK,
> but,
> you know how the fan speed/output increases and it cools more when you
>
> switch from NORM to MAX, well mine won't. The A/C doesn't get as cold
> as
> it should because it never goes to MAX cool. Could it be a loose
> vacuum
> connection, electrical, something in the FAN connection, ??? I don't
> know much about anything, least about A/C systems.
> Any help would be wonderful...
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Jorge E. Ramirez
>

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:21:45 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FTE in Truckin' magazine

The October issue (now on news-stands) of Truckin' magazine
has a really nice write-up about Ford Truck Enthusiasts (thanks
Gary!). The article is about web sites and they really
complimented us. I wanted to send a public "thank you" to
Truckin Magazine and also let the list members know so they
can check it out.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:17:06 EDT
From: DCawley484 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1993 F-150 XLT 302 V8

I currently own a 1993 F-150 XLT Super Cab w/ 302 V8, AC and a 3.55 rear end.

My problem is when the truck is under load, such as towing(not in overdrive)
or non-towing going up a hill in overdrive, I get a intermittent snap sound
from under the hood with a small hesitation. When towing a load of around
5000 lbs, the snap really becomes noticable along with a loss of power and
greater hesitation.

I suspected the distributor cap was cracked or one of the plug wires was
burned but the spark plugs, wires, distributior cap and rotor have been
repalced as of last week with the same results.

Any ideas would be grealty appreciated.

Dave
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:30:44 -0700
From: Steve Faust
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tracking Down Pop!!

> Rick Wrote:
> ...I need help in tracking down a very loud noise in my truck...I'll
> just be driving along and POP! It seems to come from the right side
> of the cab. Its almost as if the windshield is being broken...
>
> Rick:
> I have the same thing in my '88 F-250 Supercab, Sounds as if a rock
> hits your windshield on the freeway. I have a small crack in my dash
> and my wife and I thought that it was the plastic snapping as the to
> sides rubbed against each other when the cab shifts (e.g. the
> occasional speed bump, turn, ??? -- can't recreate it on a regular
> basis). I'll pay a little more attention now and see if it might be
> something different, If I find something else I'll post a note.
>
> Steve Faust -- '88 F-250 4x4 Supercab (7.3 ltr)
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:36:20 EDT
From: Ponz1931 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Water seepage into the cab

While fixing the alarm system installed by the previous owner on my '91
Bronco, I had occassion to pull up the carpet on the driver's side.
Surprise!!! The holes for the threshold plate screws were enlarged from rust,
the padding under the carpet was damp, and there is a rust hole directly
underneath the hood release in the floor. I can see that I am getting water
in the crack at the back of the gutter above the driver's side door, and I've
caught wind of a TSB and some sort of kit to repair this. Does anybody have
any details? I'd sure appreciate some tips/info. (Silicone caulk certianly
comes to mind.)

The foam pad that sits higher up the floor underneath the dash (under the
pedals) was pretty wet in some spots. More than I would expect from the
capillary action of the other leak, considering this is uphill of the bottom
sill. I pulled off the cowl and ran a hose all over the windshield, but no
water appeared inside. I did notice that the foam striping under the cowl was
deteriorated in spots. Has anybody else had this problem? Since the rig only
has 51k miles on it, I'd certainly like to keep it from rusting out
prematurely, not to mention get rid of the musty odor.

BTW, you'll likely to be hearing frequently from me as I learn more about this
truck dive into the realm of DIY truck repair and maintenance. Please have
patience. I'll recipricate by sharing anything I learn.

Thanks,

Frank
1991 Bronco 351
1987 Mercedes (Chrysler) LeBaron
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:51:04 -0700
From: "Rick Buchanan"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - More noise info

Hey all heres more info on the noise!
It seems to only happen on city streets doing speeds less than 25-30 mph. =
Come to think of it the prime time for to pop is shortly after I've back =
out of the drive and gone less than a couple of blocks. The noise is =
definitely in the cab. Sounds like it come from the area of where the =
dash and windshield meet. No noticeable vibration along with the pop. =
Always sounds the same (intensity and direction). Took it off road a few =
days ago trying to get it to pop, but of course it wouldn't. The popping =
is loud, sort of like a firecracker or a small caliber hand gun. The =
first time it happened I thought I had been shot at.

Rick Buchanan
92 F150 SupCab 4x4

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:24:07 -0700
From: Master Brant Sawzak
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tranny

I currently have a I-6 with a 3-speed auto tranny and was wondering if
there is a simple way to put a 4-speed auto on this engine.

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:47:34 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Member web contributions

FTE's web site is kinda stale. It will be undergoing a face lift
soon. If you'd like to contribute any of the following for the
update:

1. Book or magazine review
2. Tech article. This can range from simple to complex. If you
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raised it 2 feet - almost anything you have to give, we'll
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As usual, you retain the copyright and we'll take if off the site
if at some time in the future you ask us to.

Send submissions to:
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