80-96-list-digest Wednesday, August 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 271



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Re: FTE 80-96 - Oh yes, the snap ring pain
FTE 80-96 - attn: jepavie
FTE 80-96 - Re: hubs
Re: FTE 80-96 - Oh yes, the snap ring pain
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Fast Idle
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Change of policy with email addresses
Re: FTE 80-96 - Oh yes, the snap ring pain

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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:39:50 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oh yes, the snap ring pain

I fully agree with replacing the auto-locking hubs with manual ones. I
replaced my auto hubs when I replaced my electronic shift transfer case with
a manual one. The reason you get better compression braking with the manual
hubs is because the auto hubs disengage when coasting downhill, not a good
feature when you are trying to slow down without the brakes.

Rade
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From: Fred Moreno
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 3:37 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Oh yes, the snap ring pain


>Chuck wrote;
>
> Date: 3 Aug 98 08:06:03 EDT
>From: CharlesASkarsaune eaton.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Automatic locking hub snap ring removal
>
>My 96 4wd F150 was making a squawking noise from the driver's side front
>hub, so I popped the wheel off to take a look. Haynes says take
>capscrews
>off
>and the whole schmear should come out with the cover. Well, mine
>doesn't
>match
>the diagram in the book. When I take the cover off,
>there is another cover looking deal retained by a plain end, round cross
>section snap
>ring. There is no tab, leg, or other feature on this snap ring to grab
>hold of, and no slot,
>access hole, etc. to get a tool into to pry the snap ring up out of its
>slot. Any bright ideas
>on getting this rascal out? Special tool, drill a hole, what?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Chuck
>
>
>Howdy Chuck,
>
> I think I have been in the same situation that your are in Chuck.
> On my '95 4X4 with auto locking hubs, I had to make myself a VERY
>pointed piece of metal about 1/16" thick with a 90 degree bend about
>3/8" from the tip. It has to be fairly strong metal, the cheap
>screwdriver I sacrificed in the beginning just broke while I cursed the
>designer of this fabrication.
> I cruised several hardware stores in the beginning looking for a handy
>tool but everything was too fat or too expensive to work with.
> Once you make this tool, slip the bent point under the gap in the ring,
>have a pair of needle nose ready to grab it, and that's it, 2 hours of
>running around, 1 hour of finding the right piece of volunteer scrap
>metal, 1 hour metal fabricating, cursing, facial expressions and 5
>seconds of skill gets that ring out. Not a problem.
> You will be amazed (and appreciate) how easy the rest comes out.
> BTW, I had to service my autolocking hubs often due to failure to
>engage that I replaced them with Warn manual locking hubs. LOVE them,
>especially when I am going down a steep rocky grade in 4 Low. Seems to
>have much better compression braking than with the autolocking ones.
>Don't know if I had a faulty set or what, but I am happy now. The Warn
>were relatively inexpensive (about $80) compared to $300-$400 from
>dealership.
> Send me your fax # and I can send you some information out of the
>Mitchell Manuals. Their material generally comes straight out of the
>Service manual.
>
>Fred Moreno, KD5AQB
>Autotronic Controls Corp. - Alternative Fuels div
>El Paso TX.
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:45:19 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - attn: jepavie

hey jack,
im in the process of purchasing a 1989 e-250 with a 300 6 cyl. engine. the
truck has 177,000 miles on it. its in good cond. and im only paying 1,000.
bucks for it. can you tell me any info on this engine. the truck needs a tune
up real bad. how many miles can i look foward to this engine. it sounds good
but sounds like it has an exhaust leak right behind the engine. but it does
not smoke and no blowby.
thanks


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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:51:57 -0600
From: "Randy Kindler"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: hubs

> I have heard many of the same stories from other people. I would like
>to change out the hubs on my 85 Bronco. How difficult will the changeover
>be? Is there any transfer case alterations required? Or, is it localized
>to the hubs?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dan Brewer
They are easy to change. It took less than an hour to do both sides. Just
remove the old ones, and pop in the new ones. The hardest part was the
previously mentioned retaining ring. ( I like the dental tool idea, BTW.)
Actually, the auto hubs on the '95s and '96s were much improved from the
earlier ones. They were made by Warn, and cost about $300.The problem I had
was that they would occasionally lock when doing a full lock turn, like into
a parking spot. I originally replaced them with Mile Markers, but I had
trouble getting one of them to lock. I returned them, and got Warn Premiums
($90) and had no more problems.


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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:31:33 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oh yes, the snap ring pain

All you have to replace are the hubs. Unlike Chev and Dodge, Ford has
always had the axle disconnect at the hubs so unless you have a full-time
T-case (unlikely in '85) you should have no trouble.

Rade
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From: David Roemhild
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oh yes, the snap ring pain


> I have heard many of the same stories from other people. I would like
>to change out the hubs on my 85 Bronco. How difficult will the changeover
>be? Is there any transfer case alterations required? Or, is it localized
>to the hubs?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dan Brewer
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick Wojciechowski
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 1:39 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oh yes, the snap ring pain
>
>
>>Michael J. Pasznik, Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> Is it a common occurrence for the automatic hubs to fail? When
>>> I purchased my 95 F-150 used, the hubs weren't engaging. The extended
>>
>>Mike,
>> A lot of people on my bronco club have had problems as
>>well as, have changed them over to the manuals. Look at what
>>you wrote above. '95 truck and they were ALREADY broken
>>the year you bought it. Right now by my calculations that is
>>only three years as of today's date. Manual hubs are more
>>robust because they leave the electrical crap out of the loop.
>>I would only suggest, the next time they break(and they will)
>>spend the $90.00 and get the Warn Premiums. My '83 bronco
>>has only had one problem, and that was one of the manual
>>hub gears on the drivers side cracked, which I found a
>>different one at a junkyard for $5.00. I am just simply trying
>>to say that you may be better off changing them.
>>
>>
>>> warrantee took care of it, but since then I've far exceeded the
>>> mileage. Other than avoiding silly things like engaging at 60mph,
>>> does anybody have any recommendations to avoid having this happen
>>
>> I wouldn't unlock them at 60 mph either. :-)
>>
>>--
>>Thanks,
>> Rick Wojo
>> '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
>> '92 Mstng 5.0L
>> '95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)
>>
>>
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:39:55 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Fast Idle

Your best bet would be to buy a code scanner for about $40. It will tell
you if there are any sensors which are out of whack, and will probably pay
for itself in money saved on repairs.

Rade
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From: Pjx488 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 2:11 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Fast Idle


>I was wondering if anyone could help me? I have an 1988 F-150, 4wd, 5.0L
with
>an idle of about 2000 rpm. It also bucks and jerks at constant speed. And
it
>pings a little.
>I suspect that the problem is with one on the engine sensors. Can any one
>tell me where I should start to track this problem down?
>
> Paul
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 00:50:06 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Change of policy with email addresses

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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 23:48:10 -0700
From: Jared Templin
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oh yes, the snap ring pain

>Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:19:29 -0400
>From: "David Roemhild"
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oh yes, the snap ring pain
>
> I have heard many of the same stories from other people. I would like
>to change out the hubs on my 85 Bronco. How difficult will the changeover
>be? Is there any transfer case alterations required? Or, is it localized
>to the hubs?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dan Brewer

I think it is a bolt in swap for the hubs with no other mods.

Jared
81 Bronco....


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