80-96-list-digest Tuesday, July 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 260



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest tranny leak
[none]
FTE 80-96 - AOD/AODE
FTE 80-96 - Spout Connector location
Re: FTE 80-96 - coolant flushing
Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition timing
FTE 80-96 - Re: E4OD
FTE 80-96 - RE: E4OD shifting problems - Me Too!
RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: E4OD shifting problems - Me Too!
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: E4OD shifting problems - Me Too!
FTE 80-96 - Re: coolant flushing
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: coolant flushing
FTE 80-96 - Trans cooler lines
FTE 80-96 - Crankcase breather
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: E4OD shifting problems - Me Too!

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:03:15 -0400
From: lward email.mcc.edu
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest tranny leak

I just returned after a week of R&R (BSA camp). I have a 86 F350, with a
C-6 tranny and have experienced a similar problem. It turned out to be the
O-ring seal where the dip stick tube enters the case. Simply remove the
tube and replace the O-ring. Hope this helps.


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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 04:51:48 PDT
From: "Jorge Ramirez"
Subject: [none]

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 06:46:43 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD in trucks, etc....
>Ralph, my owners manual even has a section for the AOD in it. I don't
>know if this was an option or the base trans., since I bought used.
>My build date was 10/92, maybe they started installing E4ODs later in
>the production cycle.
Eh, my build date (92 F-150 supercab), is almost a year yearlier then
that, and it came with a E4OD. Don't remember if the AOD was available
since I wanted a tow vehicle.


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Mine has the towing package, 93 F150/SC/5.0L/AOD/3.55. If you get the
towing package, do you get the AOD??? DONT KNOW....


Jorge E. Ramirez
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 05:12:42 PDT
From: "Jorge Ramirez"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AOD/AODE

OK, what is the diff between AOD/AODE. One would think that AODE is an
electronic version of an AOD?? Is this true? I am 99.9% sure that I have
an AOD, since it does NOT have any electronic O/D switch on the shift
lever, as the E4OD does and the owners manual has a drawing of what the
instrument panel looks like for all transmissions. The pan looks like
the drawing in the Haynes book for the AOD.
Am I on the right track here??

Thanks,
Jorge E. Ramirez
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:04:09 -0600
From: Fred Moreno
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Spout Connector location

Tony wrote;

Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 15:05:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: tony L
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ignition timing

i have ford 302 efi, air cleaner box says to disconnect in-spout
connector to time ignition, but i can find no in-spout connector. dist
has 9 plugs on top, 8 for spark plugs, and one in center, front left
has a wiring harness, and to its right is a plastic plate screwed into
something... where is in-spout thing? or alternate way of timing

Hello Tony,

I did not catch what year your truck is but if you TFI module is on
your distributor then your SPOUT connector is a few inches away,
probably wrapped in tape. It will be gray in color. When Ford first came
out with the EEC - IV system they put the TFI module right on the
distributor. This is not a good location for any type of electronic
package since in thermodynamic terms, the distributor acts like a heat
sink from the engine. I have seen where this module has finally quit
working, and of course the symptoms are that one cranks and cranks the
engine over, but she no goes, no fire, no cough, nada.

So around 1992 ( I might be wrong on the date here guys), Ford moved
the TFI module over on the driver's side fender wall close to the hood
hinge spring. If this is where your TFI module is located, follow the
harness a few inches and that's where the SPOUT plug is located. Once
again if nobody has ever checked your timing it will be wrapped in
factory tape.

When you pull this plug out your timing will be Base timing, that is
the computer has no influence in ignition timing. Your can set your
timing when Base timing is being observed. When your plug the SPOUT
connector, the timing will advance. If you forget to reconnect the
connector, your first drive down the highway will not impress you ( been
there, done that ). Oh and BTW, don't lose the SPOUT connector or drop
it down that mysterious black crevasse where no hands will ever reach!
Ford parts people will not forget you.

I don't believe there exist an alternative way to set the timing
(correctly at least). I have heard where people set the timing without
disconnecting the SPOUT and set it "by ear", that's fine for them but
don't let anyone do that to your truck. Be careful of these "tune-up
shops", sometimes they don't hire and keep the genius.

Take care, let us know how you make out.

Fred Moreno,
Autotronic Controls Corp. Alternative Fuels div.
El Paso TX.
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:17:31 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - coolant flushing

Nathan L. Iven wrote:

> Normally I just flush the radiator w/ garden hose. What is the scoop w/ the
> "flush 'n fill" systems that use a T in the hose and flush the entire
> system. Is there an advantage/possible harm to cooling system?
> (I know about the whole FW-15 additive thing when it comes to refilling)
> Thanks,

Nathan,
The advantage is sediment in the radiator. When you use
the " T " hooked up to your hose you get all the resting setiment
out off the bottom of your radiator(or at least most of it), with
out having to take the radiator out. If you were to do this once
you would see all the brown rusty sediment crap you would
other wise not see just by opening the cock opening and
letting it simply drain on its own.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:24:37 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition timing

tony L wrote:

> i have ford 302 efi, air cleaner box says to disconnect in-spout
> connector to time ignition, but i can find no in-spout connector. dist
> has 9 plugs on top, 8 for spark plugs, and one in center, front left
> has a wiring harness, and to its right is a plastic plate screwed into
> something... where is in-spout thing? or alternate way of timing

Tony,
Are you sure they are not refering to the vacuum advance
line off of the distributor ? This should be located somewhere
on the distributor below your rotor cap. You should see some
size diameter rubber hose connected. That is if they are really
refering to the vacuum advance. You then are supposed to
plug that line up.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:59:07 -0500
From: David Anderson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: E4OD

As far as I know the E4OD is a four speed with a lockup torque
converter. Like yours, mine feels like it has more shifts than four.
Mine seems to go: first, second, then lockup, third, then lockup,
fourth, then lockup. I thought at first these extra lockups were
incorrect, but no one said this was unusual. The "shift program" may
vary for different years or powertrain combinations. Mine is a '90
F150, 300CI six, 2WD. By the way, these extra torque converter lockups
were a little harsh before changing fluid and filter. Now they are
still there - can see it on the tach - but they are very smooth. Let me
know what you find out. I'm still not sure this is normal.

David Anderson
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:23:27 -0700
From: "Wood, Steve"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: E4OD shifting problems - Me Too!

I ran into a similar problem this weekend, towing our travel trailer
(heavy, like 9000 lbs) in 90+ degree weather. The first time was when we
reached the top of a hill, and the tranny shifted from 2 to 3, it was a
definite SLAM. Right at about the same time we began smelling some
unfamiliar odor, which I can't effectively describe, other than to say
it had a petroleum or hydraulic tinge to it. Not heavy, or hot, or
burned. Anyway, after the initial SLAM all upshifts had a slam, even
under light load (like almost coasting). We pulled over, but could not
see any problems: no leaks, no smell outside the truck, nothing. Tranny
fluid looked nice and pink, and plenty of it. So we continued on,
although a bit more carefully.

This truck is equiped with the ATG interceptor (see
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.atg-autotrans.com/intercept.htm), which can adjust the tranny
line pressure. I thought maybe the unit had failed, so before returning
I set the adjustment to "none" (full counterclockwise), which should set
it back to the factory specs. Had the same experience coming home:
Started slamming on an uphill grade, and continued even on level ground.
Any upshift, as well as initially shifting into R or D, was really
harsh. Downshifts seemed fine.

My next test will be to remove the Interceptor and see how it does on
our trip this weekend.

I'd like to hear if anyone else has had similar experience with the
Interceptor.

Stephen Wood
Driving Mr. Thirsty (1995 F-350 460/Crew Cab)


> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:06:03 -0500
> From: "SFC Dulaney"
> Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: E4OD shifting problems
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of
> > rokkinhorse webtv.net
> > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 1998 9:23 AM
> > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: E4OD shifting problems
> >
> >
> > Chuck, If your Trans is "slamming" into ANY gear,then a problem
> > exists.You will need a good book on your truck that
> > tells you how to
> > retrieve the transmission codes and what those codes
> > are.Your EEC-IV is
> > capable of not only self-diagnostics for the
> > engine,but the trans as
> > well.I have no experience with the chiltons,but the Haynes is
> > so-so.Factory manuals are best.
>
> in one of my books it says that if the check engine light come
> on, there is a wire to short in the cab, left side, floor, and
> then the check engine light will flash between 1 and 13 times
> indicating the trans problem, however, it says to leave the truck
> on, the other problem is that I don't have any check engine
> lights and the EEC-IV system check port under the hood indicates
> that the light and system check out OK indicating a 111 code
> twice. Anymore ideas out there?
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:20:45 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: E4OD shifting problems - Me Too!

(Deleted discussion on E4ODs "slamming" into gear, even with an ATG
Interceptor installed )

I suspect the Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) might be going bad in these
cases. Is not the TPS signal an input to the computer which controls the
speed of the transmission shifts? The Interceptor would more than likely
not compensate for this error. As far as the TPS not showing up when the
codes are read, I think I have read of folks replacing these even though no
codes were being stored and it fixed the problems they were having. In
other words, the TPS can deteriorate quite a bit before it sends a code and
this deterioration can cause some problems. Let us know if someone tries
this fix.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:51:26 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: E4OD shifting problems - Me Too!

Beaman, James wrote:
>
> (Deleted discussion on E4ODs "slamming" into gear, even with an ATG
> Interceptor installed )
>
> I suspect the Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) might be going bad in these
> cases. Is not the TPS signal an input to the computer which controls the
> speed of the transmission shifts? The Interceptor would more than likely
> not compensate for this error. As far as the TPS not showing up when the
> codes are read, I think I have read of folks replacing these even though no
> codes were being stored and it fixed the problems they were having. In
> other words, the TPS can deteriorate quite a bit before it sends a code and
> this deterioration can cause some problems. Let us know if someone tries
> this fix.
>
> James Beaman
> james.beaman lmco.com
> Houston, Texas
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I had this problem on an escort and we kept trying to scan it but it
tooks five times to get the code...It just happened that it was only
malfunctioning every now and then and it had to be malfunctioning before
the computer would pick it up!
Hope this helps
Chris
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:23:19 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: coolant flushing

>Date: Sun, 26 Jul 98 09:26:24 PDT
>From: "Mike Mueller"
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: coolant flushing
>
>Hey all!
>I have been doing the flush and fill thing for a long time on all my
>vehi=
>cles.
>I believe it's a very good thing as it gets a whole lot of the junk
>out =
>of there that draining just doesn't get.
>It just so happens that just the other day, that little T cracked and
>I =
>had to replace it. Not a common occurence I'm sure, but just
>something =
>to note.

I agree. You wouldn't believe the crud that came out of my motor when I
backflushed it. Yuk! The engine had only 40K, but the coolant was
VILE.

If you don't trust the little plastic "T", just clamp it into the middle
of a length of junk heater hose. You can swap in this hose for flushing,
then replace your good hose when finished. This way you can also use the
same flush kit for all of your vehicles.
lordjanusz

'94 F150 (300ci) '73 F100 (360ci) '97 Saturn (hers)

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:44:58 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: coolant flushing

When flushing the old fashion way (illegal in most areas) don't forget to
pull the plugs on the sides of the block, this always is a source of
amusement for me to see the junk that comes out here also.

John Miller

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Date: 27 Jul 1998 18:31:02 EDT
From: Hawk sktc.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Trans cooler lines

80>This question isn't a truck question but it is a Ford question, well actuall
80>a Merc one. A neighbor kid is replacing his radiator in his Cougar. He bro
80>one of the fittings off the trans cooling line. It isn't the standard flare
80>fitting that I'm used to. The line goes into the fitting but isn't flared o
80>the end. The line doesn't come out of the fitting and the only thing I can
80>think of that prevents the fluid from leaking between the fitting and tubing
80>is o-rings. Pep-boys and a local parts store could only offer standard flar
80>tubing which will fit into the radiator but, without the proper mate the fla
80>will not tighten. Is this a Ford part? What are our options?

80>Bob
80>robsweed aol.com

Hi Bob. I believe Ford calls these type fittings snap fittings, or snap
couplers, or snap something. I have never been able to find them
anyplace but a Ford dealer. Take the broken one with you because I
believe that there are 2 sizes. It would probably be a good idea to get
two, because the unbroken one has a 99% chance to leak, IMHO.
Good Luck, Buck Shoff


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Date: 27 Jul 1998 18:35:48 EDT
From: Hawk sktc.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Crankcase breather

80>I posted sometime ago that I could not locate the crankcase breather element
80>My owners manual shows a part number. To those who posted or e-mailed me
80>thier assistance, I checked out the complete airbox and intake system withou
80>luck. If anyone has the same model truck as I do could you look where yours
80>is located.

80>Thanks,

80>Bob
80>robsweed aol.com

If you find it, please let me know. I can't find one on a 95 F150 with
a 5.0. (Maybe you could ask the dealer when you are picking up the
tranny line fittings.) Thanks.
Buck Shoff













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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:27:31 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: E4OD shifting problems - Me Too!

I just (carefully) checked and found no such occurrence in my
92-F150/E4OD, either under load (about 1800lbs of rock) or empty. SO it
does sound like some sort of failure, have any of you tried putting it on a
'puter to see if there are any error codes?

The ATG interceptor sounds like it might have promise, but I think I will
stay with the Banks Module for the E4OD (which does similar things). Since
my local Trany Shop has tested these on several Ford based TowTrucks and
found that they do help with the same problems the ATG is intended to cure,
and they have found no down side on this product (nearly three years into
installing them in a varity of Ford products)

Ralph Lindberg N7BSN ICQ 5988954
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