80-96-list-digest Wednesday, July 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 253



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Paint Job
FTE 80-96 - Rolling Idle Situation
FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD
Re: FTE 80-96 - NEED HELP! TRUCK IS DOWN!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD
FTE 80-96 - Paint Chain's
FTE 80-96 - Re: manual stick/rear main
FTE 80-96 - Recalls & 99 Super Duty Accessories
FTE 80-96 - Knock Sensor
FTE 80-96 - Fellow Ford fan has passed on.
Re: FTE 80-96 - NEED HELP! TRUCK IS DOWN!
FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure...

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:52:35 -0400
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Paint Job

I had used Maaco for a paint job on a 1966 Mustang I was restoring,
due to the fact that I was kind of strapped for cash and wanted
to get the car on the road. I still kick myself for it.

I went for one of the "better" packages, which only cost around
$450 for primer, paint, and clear coat, and it started fading
and cracking after only four months.

You tend to get what you pay for, so if you're planning on keeping
the truck for a good long time, it's worth a couple of extra
bucks now.

- -Mike

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From: Ardy2 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Paint Job
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 12:00 AM

I have a 1989 tan Ranger (80,000 miles) that is in need of a new paint
job.
The paint on the cab and the hood are really beginning to deteriorate and
look
bad. Otherwise the truck is in very good condition.

Has anyone ever used any of the National Chains like MAACO for a paint
job?
How much can I expect to have to pay for a good paint job?
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:05:03 -0600
From: Fred Moreno
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rolling Idle Situation

Jere in Flagstaff wrote;

...I regret the day that I took it in for emissions recall 91E05.
This involved changes in the vacuum hose routing. A vacuum retard delay
valve was added in the vacuum line connected to the AV control Valve.
The timing was revised from 10 to 7 BTDC, and spark plugs were changed
from BSF-42 to BSF-42 C with a new gap of .052-.056.

Since the recall work, my gas mileage has been terrible. I'm getting
about 15 miles/gallon highway.

For about the last six months I've been trying to solve a rough idling
problem. I don't think that it's related to the recall work....

Hello Jere,

Does your truck have Electronic Fuel Injection? If it does, check the
Idle Air Control (IAC). Remove it and clean it out. I used carb cleaner
and a small brush on mine and that cured a similar situation I
encountered. Sounds like the IAC is not doing its job and allowing only
the fuel injectors pulse width controlling the idle speed.

If your truck is carbureted, well I am not all that versed in that
field, but we have reference sources here at work and will gladly
forward information to you directly.

BTW, an easy way to lower your mileage is to retard your timing. I do
not understand why those who did your recall work retarded your timing
(except maybe to meet a certain emission criteria of course!). My truck
specifies 10 degrees and living at 3500-4000 and often traveling to
higher grounds I advanced my timing to 12 degrees. Somewhere long ago
(in a galaxy far, far away...) I remember a lecture on Internal
Combustion engines, volumetric efficiency, timing, etc... and the point
is if you live at higher altitudes a SLIGHT amount of ignition timing is
only beneficial because most specifications are designed for near sea
level environments. Ignore that last statement if your emissions decal
specifies "High Altitude emissions".
You being at 7000 feet in elevation can certainly only benefit from a
couple of degrees of timing advance IF your vehicle is not equipped for
High Altitude emissions. I have not read your particular recall you
mentioned. Sorry, but work has me swamped.
God I hope this does not ignite a flaming war - that's one of the
reason I have been an observer/reader for so long.

Fred Moreno
'95 F-150 4X4 EB (LPG propelled 80% of its 110K miles)
Autotronics Control Corp - MSD & Alternative Fuels Products
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:18:57 -0700
From: cfoye baynetworks.com (Chris Foye)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD

I have an F350 97 CC PSD (old body style) with the 4.10 rear gearing, open
bed. I regularly tow a 3500lb boat with it.
Here is what I'm finding, I usually get around 12mpg around town and
anywhere from 12 to 15 without towing on the freeway. Last weekend, I
loaded up the truck with 5 passengers at about 600lbs, boat in tow at
around 3500lbs, equipment accounted for about 200lbs and freeway cruising
was 65mph at 2300rpm with cruise control. The total trip was 350 miles
round trip with 4 passes total and a little bit of climbing towards the
end. Got back and filled up the tanks, and low and behold 12mpg.
When I researched to purchase the truck I opted for the diesel because of
the gas mileage, I posed the mileage question to the group and most were
getting in the high teens,, I was expecting to get around 15 freeway towing
and around 17 -19 not towing. I currently have 10,500 miles on it and it
hasn't changed since new.
Is there something I should look into? Could it be gas, open bed, gearing
to tall? What are others finding with similar trucks? I really thought I
would get better gas mileage with the "beast" but, I'm a little disappointed.

Thanks,

Chris
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:04:30 -0400
From: "C. E. White"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - NEED HELP! TRUCK IS DOWN!

Mike McWhirter wrote:

> I had about 130,000 on the motor and I faithfully changed my oil and
> filter every 3-4000 miles. I had a breakdown shortly after experiencing
> what you described. I felt shuddering, the truck would stall at idle and
> the oil was smelly. I took it in for a checkup and all was well but they
> reported the oil pump pressure was low.
>
> About a week later the motor seized the last cylinder (near the firewall)
> and the connecting rod snapped and sliced the cam in half.
>
> When we took the motor apart, we found the sump screen, a filter for the
> oil pump, was totally clogged with sludge. All were surprised to see the
> amount of crap in there considering the condition of my truck.

Hmmmm...what brand of oild did you use? Did you use any additives?

I'd like to avoid that type of problem if I can.

Regards,

Ed

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:10:29 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD

My friend bought a F250SD PSD with 3.5 gearing and is getting ~20MPG.

He also has the 5 speed.

I wonder if your turbo is ever kicking in at 2300rpm going down the highway?
Bigger tires or better gearing may do the trick.
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From: Chris Foye
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 2:35 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD


>I have an F350 97 CC PSD (old body style) with the 4.10 rear gearing, open
>bed. I regularly tow a 3500lb boat with it.
>Here is what I'm finding, I usually get around 12mpg around town and
>anywhere from 12 to 15 without towing on the freeway. Last weekend, I
>loaded up the truck with 5 passengers at about 600lbs, boat in tow at
>around 3500lbs, equipment accounted for about 200lbs and freeway cruising
>was 65mph at 2300rpm with cruise control. The total trip was 350 miles
>round trip with 4 passes total and a little bit of climbing towards the
>end. Got back and filled up the tanks, and low and behold 12mpg.
>When I researched to purchase the truck I opted for the diesel because of
>the gas mileage, I posed the mileage question to the group and most were
>getting in the high teens,, I was expecting to get around 15 freeway towing
>and around 17 -19 not towing. I currently have 10,500 miles on it and it
>hasn't changed since new.
>Is there something I should look into? Could it be gas, open bed, gearing
>to tall? What are others finding with similar trucks? I really thought I
>would get better gas mileage with the "beast" but, I'm a little
disappointed.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:11:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Paint Chain's

I had a relative who was very pleased with his $199.99 Maaco paint
job. They did get the car all one color. I would have for myself preferred
they washed the car before the painted it. It had leaves, two match heads
and bird dropping's under the paint. That actually turned out ok because
two years later on their next $ 199.99paint job on the same car, the bumps
actually looked smoothe and not noticable. Better still when it went to a
car wash most of the paint stayed on! Three years (total of five) went by
and almost all the first layer of paint was still on the car, also
preserved were the leaves and match heads. Good work those Maaco people.

You get what you pay for. This is true in painting auto's more than
most things. There is a lot of time and effort in a good auto paint job.
Even the chains can do a good job. Unfortunately very often the individuals
are not given the time or the pay to care about doing a good job. Ask
around, word of mouth and a clear understanding of what you want and expect
from your painter will get you a good deal and good job. This is one area
to avoid pinching your pennys to hard. Auto paint takes a heck of a
beating.

Best of luck,
Andrew


>Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:00:08 EDT
>From: Ardy2 aol.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Paint Job
>
>I have a 1989 tan Ranger (80,000 miles) that is in need of a new paint job.
>The paint on the cab and the hood are really beginning to deteriorate and look
>bad. Otherwise the truck is in very good condition.
>
>Has anyone ever used any of the National Chains like MAACO for a paint job?
>How much can I expect to have to pay for a good paint job?


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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:41:38 -0800
From: Casey Vandor
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: manual stick/rear main

I did get the stick out after all. You can't fit the tranny and
crossmember out at the same time, and I cant break the bolts loose
holding the tranny. I have tried WD 40 and others, but still no luck.
I am leary about changing the rear main becasue of the fact you have to
loosen the rod caps and drop the crank a hare. It leaks, but in the
3,000 between changes, it has never used more than 1/4 cup. Now
antifreeze on the other hand, well it was about 1 quart a week before
unplugging the core..... I will be sure to check out the spindle needle
bearings, thanks for letting me in on that one.

Thanks
Casey Vandor

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:58:48 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Recalls & 99 Super Duty Accessories

The following info is from the Aug issue of Trailer Life.

1. Recall on 720 1999 F-350 Super Cabs. A problem with the battery cables
being taped together and the possibility of the + cable contacting the AC
compressor pulley causing a short and fire.

2. Recall on 320,000 1997 and 98 Explorers & Mountaineers with the 4.0
engine. Engine fuel lines can be damaged if the vehicle is jump started.

3. Recall on 20,000 1995 Econoline vans because of interference between
parking brake cable and fuel line which could cause leak and fire.

4. Now, the good news is: J&J Enterprises offers several Super Duty
accessories. URL is www.j-jent.com/.

Whew!! Butch Davis-
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:29:22 -0400
From: Marcia Merrifield
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Knock Sensor

I've been reading this list for awhile and I have seen some good
answers to problems.Maybe somebody can help me with mine.I have an 87
f-150 4X4,I've worked on this truck for years and I recently had the
engine totally rebuilt.When I put the engine back in all my tags on the
wires had washed off and I can't find the plug for the knock sensor.I
have terrible spark knock most of the time now(drives me crazy).I was
wondering if anybody had a picture or could take one for me of the plug
in question and E-mail me at wyman midcoast.com.Many thanks for any
help.


John
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:49:31 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fellow Ford fan has passed on.

Just got some news that stunned me. Jim Osborn, of Jim Osborn
Reproductions, passed away Wednesday. Jim Osborn, in addition
to producing some of the finest reproduction decals, tags,
manuals and books for automotive enthusiasts, was also one
heck of a nice guy.

A couple of months ago, after having the pleasure of seeing
Jim's work first hand in his small plant, Jim offered Ford
Truck Enthusiasts a deal to help us continue to help our
fellow Ford truck fans. A discount on his products sold
through us. Jim didn't have to extend this offer, but he had
a genuine "I want to help out attitude." I know one of his
employees personally and can say that his workers truly
liked working for/with him. He was just an all around nice
guy.

For those who don't know, Jim founded the Mustang Club of
America and his lifelong dream was to start a Mustang museum.
His wife is planning on starting a fund to keep his dream
alive.

I'd like to take this opportunity to ask the members of these
lists to show that we're more than just about trucks. I've
made many friends here and I know from personal experience
that we have a good group here. Please, if you can spare a
few moments of your evening tonight or a few minutes tomorrow,
pick up a card and send it to:

Jim Osborn Reproductions
101 Ridgecrest Drive
Lawrenceville, GA 30045

If you want to, send a few bucks with a note stating it's
for the Mustang museum. Also, let them know its from an FTE
member, I think this, in a small way, will let them know
that we appreciated him.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts, Inc.
http://www.ford-trucks.com


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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:50:58 -0400
From: Mike McWhirter
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - NEED HELP! TRUCK IS DOWN!

I used Sunoco premium 20-50 and Mobil One for a while. I switched back to
Sunoco (I use strictly one gas and oil) and left it there. Still use it
today. Switch back and forth between detergent and non- once in a while.

I hope it does not happen again.

Mikey

>
>
>Mike McWhirter wrote:
>
>> I had about 130,000 on the motor and I faithfully changed my oil and
>> filter every 3-4000 miles. I had a breakdown shortly after experiencing
>> what you described. I felt shuddering, the truck would stall at idle and
>> the oil was smelly. I took it in for a checkup and all was well but they
>> reported the oil pump pressure was low.
>>
>> About a week later the motor seized the last cylinder (near the firewall)
>> and the connecting rod snapped and sliced the cam in half.
>>
>> When we took the motor apart, we found the sump screen, a filter for the
>> oil pump, was totally clogged with sludge. All were surprised to see the
>> amount of crap in there considering the condition of my truck.
>
>Hmmmm...what brand of oild did you use? Did you use any additives?
>
>I'd like to avoid that type of problem if I can.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ed
>
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:23:44 -0800
From: "Pat Daniels"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure...

I have an 80 Ford F150 with a 302 that loses oil pressure to the point it....

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