80-96-list-digest Sunday, July 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 241



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Suzuki4x4: Survey
Re: FTE 80-96 - Question on clutch master cylinder
FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 wheelers
FTE 80-96 - Power Windows
Re: FTE 80-96 - A/C Condensor needed
FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light
FTE 80-96 - speedometer cable
RE: FTE 80-96 - Window weather stripping
RE: FTE 80-96 - truck not getting any gasoline
Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 timing
FTE 80-96 - catalytic converter
Re: FTE 80-96 - Window weather stripping

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:20:56 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Suzuki4x4: Survey

On 9 Jul 98, at 17:48, ACMERCG aol.com wrote:

>So far, the results have been published and are seemingly in favor of the
>SUV market. The survey is obviously being directed at the elimination of
>SUV's. To me, it just sounds like another attempt to point the finger at
>someone else rather than looking at the major problems such as oil
>refineries and large factories- gross polluters. The people in these
>watchdog groups really need to take a look at what is going on in this
>country and stop looking for a scapegoat.

You've got that right. It seems that people just can't live and let
live. I'm personally glad that I've got a huge, gaz guzzlin', road
hoggin' truck. :) Hell, if it were up to me, I'da had an F-350 Dually.
:) Just ain't got the money for one right now. :)

You might be a redneck if... A full moon reminds you of your
mother-in-law pullin' weeds. - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:02:02 -0400
From: "msalvetti"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Question on clutch master cylinder

Bruce wrote:

>Just bought a 85 F150 had to replace the clutch master cylinder just a
>question on the correct adjustment on the push rod going into the master
>cylinder. I just adjusted it out till the assembly went in the cylinder
and
>would reach the clutch pedal assembly. Seems to be working okay. Just want
>to know if any one knows the proper procedure.

Hi Bruce. If you can shift easily with the engine running, including
getting the transmission into first gear while at a stop, then you're
probably OK. When I did mine last year, I found I had to adjust the rod so
it was a little longer than needed to reach the peg on the clutch, giving
the assembly a little preload.

Do you have the external slave cylinder? If you do, just make sure the
distance between the slave and the clutch release bracket is the same
before and after you connect the master cylinder rod. That way you know
you're adjustment isn't riding the clutch.

Hope this helps!

Mark
1986 F150, 302 FI
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:17:53 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 wheelers

>Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:00:08 -0700
>From: Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18-wheelers
>
>At 5:24 PM -0500 7/10/98, Paul M Radecki wrote:
>>The Interstates were built BECAUSE of 18 wheelers, in order to get
>them
>>off of the little roads the rest of you use and to expedite
>"interstate"
>>commerce.
> Sorry guy you need to study your history a little better. The
>National
>Highway act was passed as a result of Col Eisenhower (later, you know,
>the
>Prez) leading a cross-country military convoy. This was due to the
>amount
>of time it took the military to transport across the country.

A convoy of what? Yugos? It was TRUCKS, duh...

> In the post-WWII era, when the Interstate Highway act was passed,
>it was
>again past under the premise of national defence. At the time the idea
>that
>the highways would be the national form of freight transport was not
>considered, since something like 99% of freight moved by rail. Look at
>the
>towns that were served by rail then, that don't even have a railroad
>today.

My town was/is served by rail. We're in the middle of a 100 million
dollar project to reroute the tracks AWAY from the city because the
people HATE trains.

> It was only the later economics that allowed large scale interstate
>transport of goods to be economical. Unfortunately many of the older
>interstates were not designed for the level of heavy truck (large,
>doubles,
>triples, etc) that exist today.

True, Ike built roads for the Army. He got the idea from Hitler's
Autobahnen. But if trains were so great, why bother? The point is, the
Interstates were built for TRUCKS (military or civilian, they're still
trucks) not for families in Hondas going to grandma's house. And like it
or not, they're definately the reason our economy flows so efficiently
today. Like the bumper sticker says: If you've got it, a truck brought
it! lordjanusz

'94 F150(300ci) '73 F100(360ci) '97 Saturn (wife's car)


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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:15:30 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Power Windows

I have an '89 F350 with power windows in the front but not the back. If I =
knew which parts to look for, I wouls like to add power windows to the =
back doors.

Do I look for a mechanicals out of a F series front doors or are the parts =
for the rear doors unique reuiring that I locate a four door with power =
windows? Or, is there another model of Ford that has parts that will =
work?

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:17:23 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - A/C Condensor needed

Check out Autozone or PEP boys. Their prices are reasonable and they =
offer a good warranty, sometimes you can get a life time warranty.

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:53:15 -0500
From: "Chuck D"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light

I was driving home and just as my truck ('92 Flare Side) was shifting gears
I had to brake, I mean the instance the truck shifted I braked and the
truck jerked and sort of sputtered at the same time, and then the Check
Engine light came on. When I got home I turned off the truck and started it
up again, the light stayed off and the truck runs fine. Should I be concerned?

I know there are codes for this light, but how do I check the codes?


SFC Dulaney
2A6/32

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:24:01 -0000
From: "Bruce S Casey"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - speedometer cable

Just a quick question on a 85 F150 the speedometer cable is it replaced as
a complete assembly or just the cable. If replacing cable only how is the
speedometer gear assembly removed. Just trying to get this F150 up and
running just alot of small problems still not bad for a 600 truck it gets
its flat bed next week thanks ahead of time this internet stuff is actually
fun and a big help

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:51:22 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Window weather stripping

Casey-
Talk to an auto glass shop in town about how to replace weather strip and
how to unglue glass form window riser. They can tell you how to do it. If
you supply the parts, they may do it for you for a reasonable price.

About the catalytic converter: if you still have the original emmisions
sticker under the hood, it says on there if it had a cat when new or not.
If it's an F-150, I'm willing to bet that it did. You had to get up into
pretty high GVW to avoid the cats in '80 (the year of my truck) and I'm
sure the EPA did not step BACK in this area. If anything, they got more
strict between then and your '83.

Casey wrote:
"How do you put new weahter stripping into the window channel? I can't
seem to get the window out either. It is manual crank, and it seems
like it is glued to the support on the bottom, which is riveted to the
arm that raises the window. Can it be done with the window in the
door? If so, how?

About the cat, Ford called back and told me that "some 83 351W had cats,
some did not." Will that fly if I tell the inspectors that it never had
one to beging with? (I don't know for sure, as I am not the original
owner)"

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX

"I have a simple philosophy: fill what's empty,
empty what's full and scratch where it itches."
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:05:28 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - truck not getting any gasoline

Ellen-
I'll bet your husband doesn't loan you his truck again for a while!

Anyway, try putting gas in the empty tank and switch over to it. If it
runs, then the fuel pump in the other tank is probably bad.

It could also be the fuel selector valve. That's the second place I'd look
if the fuel pumps are ok.

How's the fuel filter?

Ellen wrote:
"I was driving my husband's 89 F150 last week. Changed from the almost
empty fuel tank to the full one, started up an incline, and it sputtered
and died. Hasn't cranked since. Any suggestions on how to get it running
would be appreciated."
Jim Cannon
Houston, TX

"I have a simple philosophy: fill what's empty,
empty what's full and scratch where it itches."
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:24:29 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 timing

Ezekial (how's Jebediah? just kidding, real funny from a man who just
named his newborn Jacob right? WOO HOO, IT'S A BOY!!!)
Anyway I'll try to address your exhaust problem a little and I could
get very wordy hear (ask around), but I'll TRY to be as brief as
possible. First the shortest exhaust possible is almost never the
right one for a street driven vehicle performance wise (not to mention
the environmental stuff). The engine is designed to have backpressure
at the exhaust valve side of the heads and too short or too large of a
diameter can diminish this to the point where the vehicle won't even
run sometimes. My muffler fell off my '87 351W once and I had to
apply the pedal to keep it from stalling near idle. I would recommend
trying to replace the muffler keeping just one cat for now and see how
that works. Also exit the pipe out the side. It is legal now to have
it exit in front of the axle and this will keep gases from building up
under the truck. One more thing to keep in mind is that the muffler
shouldn't be the last thing on the exhaust, always use a tailpipe
because the gases coming out of the muffler are turbulent if there's
no tailpipe this can reduce the performance. I have more info for you
if you'd like, but didn't want to use too much bandwidth, plus I'd
have to check my reference to make sure I was accurate and it's not
right here w/me. Try the muffler and let me/us (the group) know the
outcome.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Ezekial wrote:
>
> And also I removed on cat on my truck and the muffler. Now the exhaust
> exits through the first car then to pipe which ends about 2 feet behind
> the cab and faces toward the ground. Since then my truck has bogged
> down bad off the line. Anyone know how to solve this?? One of my
> friends with a 96 experiences my same situation except he still has 2
> cats on it and no muffler.
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:28:44 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - catalytic converter

Actually tampering with ANY pollution controlling device on a car
('cept farm vehicle, etc.) is a no-no. This technically means that
swapping your airbox for an aftermarket unit (K&N for example) is
unacceptable, but I don't see anyone enforcing it to this level.
Let's hope it stays that way!!
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Troy Williams wrote:
>
> On 8 Jul 98, at 11:04, David Sagers wrote:
>
> >In addition to local laws, be careful not to run afoul of the federal
> >laws, especially in regards removing the cats. I can't recall exactly,
> >but removing the cat seems like a violation.
>
> Yeah it was. I heard something along the lines of modifying or
> tampering with the pollution tubes was against the law as well. I
> don't know, might wanna check into it.
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:55:11 -0800
From: Casey Vandor
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Window weather stripping

No luck on the sticker, but I am going to put the money into it, I might as
well add one, and then maybe it will be a little cleaner too. I guess glass
shop would be the way to go, I was hoping I could maybe squeeze it in with
the window in place, and I don't really want to take the glass out myself.

Thanks
Casey Vandor

Jim Cannon wrote:

> Casey-
> Talk to an auto glass shop in town about how to replace weather strip and
> how to unglue glass form window riser. They can tell you how to do it. If
> you supply the parts, they may do it for you for a reasonable price.
>
> About the catalytic converter: if you still have the original emmisions
> sticker under the hood, it says on there if it had a cat when new or not.
> If it's an F-150, I'm willing to bet that it did. You had to get up into
> pretty high GVW to avoid the cats in '80 (the year of my truck) and I'm
> sure the EPA did not step BACK in this area. If anything, they got more
> strict between then and your '83.
>
> Casey wrote:
> "How do you put new weahter stripping into the window channel? I can't
> seem to get the window out either. It is manual crank, and it seems
> like it is glued to the support on the bottom, which is riveted to the
> arm that raises the window. Can it be done with the window in the
> door? If so, how?
>
> About the cat, Ford called back and told me that "some 83 351W had cats,
> some did not." Will that fly if I tell the inspectors that it never had
> one to beging with? (I don't know for sure, as I am not the original
> owner)"
>
> Jim Cannon
> Houston, TX
>
> "I have a simple philosophy: fill what's empty,....


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