80-96-list-digest Saturday, July 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 240



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Server went down
FTE 80-96 - Question on clutch master cylinder
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Road quality
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers
FTE 80-96 - Window weather stripping
FTE 80-96 - Re: 18-wheelers
Re: FTE 80-96 - roadhog's...and trail destruction
Re: FTE 80-96 - roadhog's...and trail destruction
Re: FTE 80-96 - roadhog's...and trail destruction
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers
RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18-wheelers
FTE 80-96 - truck not getting any gasoline
FTE 80-96 - intake man. & transmission
FTE 80-96 - RE: plain 86 F150
FTE 80-96 - A/C Condensor needed
FTE 80-96 - A/C COMPRESSOR! not condensor
Re: FTE 80-96 - WAS Win wea strip NOW cat LONG

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:48:17 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers

On 10 Jul 98, at 10:55, Ken Payne wrote:

>>I have not taken the survey yet, but this comment above is grossly
>>inacurate. Those 18 wheelers are involved with 75% of the accidents in
>>our state.
>
>75%??!!!!!! Where do you get your statistics? Federal crash data
>shows the majority of accidents happen within a few miles of home,
>not on the interstate. Also, most accidents are left turn accidents
>(someone turns left in front of you) involving autos.

I know, I think that number is quite high. Most of the accidents I
see down here are the compact cars slamming into other vehicles
trying to beat them to a certain spot, cutting in front of them or
whatever.

>>Is that because of the smaller cars? I think not. They have
>>no regard for other drivers on the road whatsoever. In many cases they
>>have come flying up behind people in the middle lane going the speed
>>limit and start flashing their lights and riding their tail dangerously.
>
>This is small minority. What about the auto tail-gators?

My whole time driving, I think there was only one truck driver that
got pretty close up on my rear end when I was doing the speed
limit. Simple thing to do, slow down quite a bit, stay back from the
vehicle you are following to allow for more stopping distance. That
will reduce the chances of the driver slamming into your car. If it
scares you that bad, then change lanes or pull over and let the
trucker pass.

>>In addition, they have destroyed our highways here to the
>>point that they are under constant repair.
>
>Really? Or is it that your state doesn't take care of the roads?
>Come to Georgia! We have the some of the finest roads in the nation.
>Can't blame it on the South, because Florida's road suck.

Well, here in Ocala the roads are in pretty decent shape. There
are some that need to be fixed badly, but then I have seen the
spots on the road where it is deteriorating. It is mostly the huge
numbers of passenger cars that are driving along them that are
causing the problem. You can see the trails, if it were the tractor
trailers, I'm sure the gaps between the strips would be wider apart,
and then the strips would be wider because of the dual wheels on
the back.

You might be a redneck if... Your car wakes people up when you drive
down the street. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:59:02 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Server went down

Our server was down this afternoon for a couple of hours.
If anyone tried posting then, chances are good your post
is lost. Give it an hour or so, if the post doesn't show
up, try again.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:07:27 -0000
From: "Bruce S Casey"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Question on clutch master cylinder

Just bought a 85 F150 had to replace the clutch master cylinder just a
question on the correct adjustment on the push rod going into the master
cylinder. I just adjusted it out till the assembly went in the cylinder and
would reach the clutch pedal assembly. Seems to be working okay. Just want
to know if any one knows the proper procedure.
Speedometer does work whats the best place to start at the cable. Thanks
for your time.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:21:07 -0500
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Road quality

> >Can't blame it on the South, because Florida's road suck.

Yeah, probably a maintenance thing. Like up in Michigan where
they bomb the roads to smooth out the potholes!

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Dallas, TX
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:07:33 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers

At 04:48 PM 7/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
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>Well, here in Ocala the roads are in pretty decent shape. There
>are some that need to be fixed badly, but then I have seen the
>spots on the road where it is deteriorating. It is mostly the huge
>numbers of passenger cars that are driving along them that are
>causing the problem. You can see the trails, if it were the tractor
>trailers, I'm sure the gaps between the strips would be wider apart,
>and then the strips would be wider because of the dual wheels on
>the back.
>
>You might be a redneck if... Your car wakes people up when you drive
>down the street. - Jeff Foxworthy
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>
>Troy Williams
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I lived in Florida for 6 years, my family's been there for 150 years.
Needless to say, I drive there quite often.

I hate driving the interstates and the turnpike in Florida. There's
been road construction for 15 years on the turn pike, on the same
stretch and it never seems to get done. Its pretty scary in a pickup
when there's a 6 inch drop-off in the middle of the lane for 50 miles
at a time. And they have the gall to charge you to use this road!
The interstates are only slightly better. Florida roads eat tires too.
The small shells in the tar do more to a set of motorcyle tires in one
trip than I put on them in 2 years of riding. It seems to be worse in
the tourist towns (which accounts for about 50% of the state).

Best roads? Georgia, most of Tennesee, parts of the Carolinas. Ark
roads stink, but then again, its one of 3 poorest states in the nation.
Really hard driving on roads in a truck with no paved shoulders and
a 65 speed limit. Oregon had nice roads, when I was there.

Ken Payne

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:27:52 -0800
From: Casey Vandor
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Window weather stripping

How do you put new weahter stripping into the window channel? I can't
seem to get the window out either. It is manual crank, and it seems
like it is glued to the support on the bottom, which is riveted to the
arm that raises the window. Can it be done with the window in the
door? If so, how?

About the cat, Ford called back and told me that "some 83 351W had cats,
some did not." Will that fly if I tell the inspectors that it never had
one to beging with? (I don't know for sure, as I am not the original
owner)

Thanks
Casey Vandor

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:24:23 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18-wheelers

***WHEW*** It's hot in here! Just got the Digest; what a flame-fest.
Just one final word, then please can we talk about Fords some more?

The Interstates were built BECAUSE of 18 wheelers, in order to get them
off of the little roads the rest of you use and to expedite "interstate"
commerce. Truckers run on tight schedules and are paid by the mile.
Speed is money, and money is why we're out there. If you don't want to
deal with fast trucks, feel free to use the state and county roads in
your area.

BTW, it isn't speed alone that causes traffic danger. If you're doing
the limit and everyone else is going 90, YOU'RE the hazard. People
driving way faster or way slower than the average flow of traffic cause
turbulence when others must maneuver to pass/avoid them, and it's
turbulence that causes wrecks. Safe drivers and truckers stay with the
flow.

As you may have guessed, I make my living on the highway. I drive an
intercity bus up and down I-65 every day, and I know of what I speak.
Most of your posts about trucks are right on the money, and Ford truck
guys are some of the best drivers out there.

See you on the road... lordjanusz

'94 F150 (300ci) '73 F100(360ci) '97 Saturn (wife's car)

'97 E-SuperDuty chassis-cab minibus (!!!)

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:32:57 -0600
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - roadhog's...and trail destruction

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From: Troy Williams
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - roadhog's...and trail destruction


On 9 Jul 98, at 13:53, FSTFORDS aol.com wrote:

>AND, this roadhog thing your on...get a clue...pick on the truckers...and
>the old cars......my vehicle runs less than 100ppm and my CO's are well
>within tolerance!

How are the people with old cars and the truckers road hogs? I
see more people in the compact cars that think they own the roads
more than the truckers and other drivers. I have been cut off more
times by people in passenger cars. I haven't had it happen to me
from a truck driver.

You might be a redneck if... Your handkerchief doubles as your
shirt sleeve. - Jeff Foxworthy


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My Theroy is that those who only drive small cars do not know they have
blind spots, so they drive that way. That is why all people should learn
how to drive on a truck so they can appreciate all of the blind spots we put
up with and learn how to make use of those little mirrors you can put on
your
big mirrors. I don't know if this makes sense to anyone, but it does to me.
This also applies to parking, I see little cars who get in a spot crooked
and
have to back out a couple of times whereas I can just pull right in, in my
truck.

Enough of my ramblings...
Ryan Penner 95 F150 XL


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:46:56 EDT
From: FSTFORDS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - roadhog's...and trail destruction

In a message dated 7/10/98 5:53:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, troyw mfi.net
writes:

> How are the people with old cars and the truckers road hogs? I
> see more people in the compact cars that think they own the roads
> more than the truckers and other drivers. I have been cut off more
> times by people in passenger cars. I haven't had it happen to me
> from a truck driver.


You'd have to read the web page they have...

It's not road hog in the sense your thinking of...
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:50:39 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - roadhog's...and trail destruction

On 10 Jul 98, at 16:32, Ryan Penner wrote:

>My Theroy is that those who only drive small cars do not know they have
>blind spots, so they drive that way. That is why all people should learn

I don't know, I don't drive a small car, I had to a year or so ago, I
hated it. I hate riding in them too, you don't have any good chance
of coming out of it if there is a pretty bad wreck.

Anyway, my F-150 definetly has it's blind spots alnog with all of the
other large vehicles. That's why a good glance back when you are
changing lanes, even if you are just turning into a turning lane and
you are right at the break of the no passing zone. You wouldn't
believe the number of people that try and hop into the turning lane
before everyone else trying to to cut around other traffic.

I nearly creamed a Chevy Astro one time, they had just gotten out
from behind me, and were trying to pass me to get into the turning
lane, I looked back, they were still behind me at the time. Nearly
creamed 'em. He went off the road in one direction while I swerved
in the truck back into my lane.

There are so many idiots out here on the roads, if you need a
roadhog, come to Florida, you'll see just what we have to put up
with all of the time. I don't know if it's a problem that's widespread
all over the nation or if it's just in this one area. But there are
people that think they own the roads and that others are always
going to see them and have the time to make necessary
accomodations to try and avoid a wreck.

>how to drive on a truck so they can appreciate all of the blind
spots we
>put up with and learn how to make use of those little mirrors you can put
>on your big mirrors. I don't know if this makes sense to anyone, but it
>does to me. This also applies to parking, I see little cars who get in a
>spot crooked and have to back out a couple of times whereas I can just
>pull right in, in my truck.


You might be a redneck if... Your main source of entertainment is
listening to your neighbors fight. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:50:38 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers

On 10 Jul 98, at 17:07, Ken Payne wrote:

>At 04:48 PM 7/10/98 -0400, you wrote:

>I lived in Florida for 6 years, my family's been there for 150 years.
>Needless to say, I drive there quite often.

Oh, I don't go down to the HEAVILY populated areas either, I stay
mostly in this area.

>I hate driving the interstates and the turnpike in Florida. There's
>been road construction for 15 years on the turn pike, on the same
>stretch and it never seems to get done. Its pretty scary in a pickup when
>there's a 6 inch drop-off in the middle of the lane for 50 miles at a
>time. And they have the gall to charge you to use this road! The
>interstates are only slightly better. Florida roads eat tires too. The
>small shells in the tar do more to a set of motorcyle tires in one trip
>than I put on them in 2 years of riding. It seems to be worse in the
>tourist towns (which accounts for about 50% of the state).

Oh, I don't go down that area, I know there was some construction
going on down there, but then I thought they had that taken care of
years ago. I don't know..

You ought to see State Road 200 here in Ocala though. There are
actual trails in the middle of the road from where other drivers are
passing over the same spot of the road day in and day out. They
are finally starting to take care of it, they are paving different
patches at different times of the night, it's too busy to try and do it
during the day, so at least they are doing SOMETHING right.

>Best roads? Georgia, most of Tennesee, parts of the Carolinas. Ark roads
>stink, but then again, its one of 3 poorest states in the nation. Really
>hard driving on roads in a truck with no paved shoulders and a 65 speed
>limit. Oregon had nice roads, when I was there.

Oh, I wouldn't go that fast anyway. Maybe around 40 or 45 but
that's it. No way, ain't work the risk of losing control if you lose
traction all of a sudden.

You might be a redneck if... During your wedding ceremony the
minister said, 'Do you, DeWayne, take Connie to be your old lady?'
- Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:50:37 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers

On 10 Jul 98, at 16:33, Ken Payne wrote:

>I think you left out that "Those 18 wheelers" murdered your
>family or something. Your comments seem highly prejudice
>and uns*bstantiated. I would trust my life with "Those 18
>wheelers" before I would a typical small car driver. It would help
>you to understand if you would look past the end of your nose
>and see it from their point of view and in general the way our
>system of commerce works.

I agree. I don't get too worried when an 18 wheeler is beside me. I
just make sure that I stay in a spot the driver can see me. It's the
other drivers of the compact cars that scare the hell out of me, the
way they change lanes without any kind of warning.

You might be a redneck if... Your hood ornament used to be a bowling
trophy. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:00:08 -0700
From: Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18-wheelers

At 5:24 PM -0500 7/10/98, Paul M Radecki wrote:
>The Interstates were built BECAUSE of 18 wheelers, in order to get them
>off of the little roads the rest of you use and to expedite "interstate"
>commerce.
Sorry guy you need to study your history a little better. The National
Highway act was passed as a result of Col Eisenhower (later, you know, the
Prez) leading a cross-country military convoy. This was due to the amount
of time it took the military to transport across the country.
In the post-WWII era, when the Interstate Highway act was passed, it was
again past under the premise of national defence. At the time the idea that
the highways would be the national form of freight transport was not
considered, since something like 99% of freight moved by rail. Look at the
towns that were served by rail then, that don't even have a railroad today.
It was only the later economics that allowed large scale interstate
transport of goods to be economical. Unfortunately many of the older
interstates were not designed for the level of heavy truck (large, doubles,
triples, etc) that exist today.

Ralph Lindberg N7BSN ICQ 5988954
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Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.




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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:47:02 -0600 (CST)
From: "Ellen B. Meade"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - truck not getting any gasoline

I was driving my husband's 89 F150 last week. Changed from the almost
empty fuel tank to the full one, started up an incline, and it sputtered
and died. Hasn't cranked since. Any suggestions on how to get it running
would be appreciated. Please send them to

meade coscc.cc.tn.us

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Systems Analyst Phone: (931)540-2646
Columbia State Community College Fax: (931)540-2795
P. O. Box 1315 Ship to: 1665 Hampshire Pike
Columbia, TN 38402-1315 Columbia, TN 38401
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:36:20 -0500
From: Jonathan M Dea
Subject: FTE 80-96 - intake man. & transmission

I gotta side with the truckers on this one. They are PROFESSIONALS.
Their truck is their "office", and they aren't going to do anything stupid
to jeopardize their cargo or anyone's life. Doing so would risk losing
their livelihood. clink,clink (that's my .02)

Anyway, I'd like to get some input on a few questions of mine. I have an
'84 F-150 4x4 with the 351W & 4 speed manual transmission. I have an early
analog 670CFM 2bbl Holley Pro-Jection with a 4 to 2 barrel manifold adaptor
mounted onto a stock manifold. Would it be worth it to ditch the stock
manifold & adaptor setup, and get an Edelbrock idle-5000 rpm manifold?
Usually the most RPM I ever turn is 2500-3000 (that is in 4th gear on the
interstate, usually I shift 2200 RPM or so under normal acceleration) due
to the severe penalty in gas mileage. Right now it is much crisper and a
little more powerful than the stock carb, but what would I see if I made
this modification? Sorry for my ignorance, I'm new to the automobile world.
Secondly, I have the above-mentioned 4-speed. Is there a way to get a
5-speed manual into the picture without too much complication? I drive a
bunch of Interstate to get to college, and it gets 10-12 mpg about 70mph
and I would like to get some overdrive into the picture, if possible.
Thank you for any help that anyone may have for me.

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jdea iastate.edu
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:01:10 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: plain 86 F150

John-
You said:
"I'm looking for advice for fixing a few problems with my very plain 86 f150
302 . How can I determine if the radiator fan clutch is bad?"

When engine is good and hot, shut off engine and rotate fan by hand
considerable resistance shoud be felt. (Spin when cold to see the
difference.) If not, or if you see any sign of fluid leaking, replace it.

"On the
highway the front end drifts to the point that it becomes annoying to
constantly correct the truck direction. I would like thoughts on what I can
do, add, or replace. I'm riding on Michelin truck radials."

Check all of your various bushings for wear. Take it to an alignment shop
and ask them to check them all. I suspect bad radius arm bushings. They
don't cost too much and are not too hard to replace (a day). I replaced my
axel pivot bushings at the same time. A lot more work, but mine were shot
so I had to do it. It could be the tires, but I doubt it. Ask the alignment
guys to look at the wear patterns.

"This truck
also has the easiest PS of any vehicle I've owned. Can I tighten the PS or
stiffen the steering? How?"

I don't know. Maybe another list member does. Maybe a complete set of new
tie rod ends, drag link, etc. with tighen it all back up. How many miles on
this bad boy?


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX

"I have a simple philosophy: fill what's empty,
empty what's full and scratch where it itches."
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:48:32 -0500
From: Michael Ruth
Subject: FTE 80-96 - A/C Condensor needed

Help! My 89 Bronco II needs an A/C condensor and my wife is pregnant
and we need a resonable deal on a reliable one. Temps are high in MD
and I don't want her driving without A/C. Can anyone help or have a
good lead on Re-built/ new???? Are there any that are interchangeable?
Like off of an 94 Explorer?? May reply to me
directly at:
xplorit erols.com
Thanks in advance!
Mike
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:01:21 -0500
From: Michael Ruth
Subject: FTE 80-96 - A/C COMPRESSOR! not condensor

Sorry all! I need an A/C COMPRESSOR not a condensor. I am so wrpped up
in this A/C problem I can't think straight.
89 Bronco II 2.9 6cyl
Thanks,
Mike
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:20:38 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - WAS Win wea strip NOW cat LONG

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> From: Casey Vandor
> About the cat, Ford called back and told me that "some 83 351W had cats,
> some did not." Will that fly if I tell the inspectors that it never had
> one to beging with?

The Emission certification decal under the hood will clearly state whether
it is a CATALYST or NON-CATALYST equipped vehicle and in some states the
inspection equipment computer cross-references the VIN number and will
state the same. I have not responded to any of the posts yet about "trying
to get over" on Cats etc. My own opinion, even though I may have done
otherwise in years past is that in regard to emission equipment return or
keep the systems in proper original operating condition/configuration.
Really in the long run you are putting money in the bank, doing your part
to help the environment, and in most cases when they are in correct
operating condition and I DO mean CORRECT, there is no significant gain to
modify them. Now that said, I also will tell you to at least modify in such
a way that the appearance is of a Non modified setup. I enjoy doing this
but only on the early years of EGR and CATs when Ford and several others
did not really have the systems really "dialed in" and they really did
interfere with driveability. Same as with vacuum controlled ignition
advances etc.. only using the vacuum signal timed with engine temp is not a....

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