80-96-list-digest Tuesday, July 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 234



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Oops, still trying to add cruise
FTE 80-96 - RE:Key Locks/add a leaf
FTE 80-96 - '86 Ranger 29.l efi - still running rich
Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 Ranger 29.l efi - still running rich
FTE 80-96 - Timing and Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing Pinging
Re: FTE 80-96 - Oops, still trying to add cruise
RE: FTE 80-96 - Fuel injector cleaner
RE: FTE 80-96 - Fuel injector cleaner
RE: FTE 80-96 - Oops, still trying to add cruise
FTE 80-96 - RE: 5 Speed in 1985?
RE: FTE 80-96 - Fuel injector cleaner
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives
Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing Pinging
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 5 Speed in 1985?
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 5 Speed in 1985?
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Expanded products page, 100s of items
FTE 80-96 - FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Forgot the URL!
Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96-95 Bronco Speedo noise

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 08:39:18 -0400
From: "C. E. White"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oops, still trying to add cruise

When I bought my 1992 F150, it did not have cruise. I purchased the Ford
add-on cruise unit. It installed easily. It uses the factory speed sensor,
but does not use the factory computer. Instead it has its own controller.
The kit also included a stalk to add to the side of the steering column
cover. There was a template to show you where to add it. It sort of looks
like a factory unit and works like one. It cost a little more than buying
one from Pep Boys or JC Whitney, but I think it was a better quality unit
and it did use the factory speed sensor. It also included a vacuum
reservoir to add to the system.

Regards,

Ed

Troy Williams wrote:

> On 30 Jun 98, at 16:36, Ron Madurski wrote:
>
> >My question is whether there are different steering wheels for
> >cruise/non-cruise trucks?
>
> Yes. The trucks with cruise have the controls built into the wheel, I
> haven't seen a single one of them that has it on the side like some
> of the little japs.
>
> You might be a redneck if... Your truck is insured by Smith &
> Wesson. - Jeff Foxworthy
>
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:20:02 -0600
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:Key Locks/add a leaf

I'm not sure to which rivet you are referring, I assume it is in the
center of the pack. My leaf pack was held together with a bolt in the
center. The bolt had a pointy head that dropped into a hole in the
spring mount and centered the spring. The head was smooth and you have
to grab it with a big vice grips to keep it from turning while removing
the nut. Both add-a-leaf installations I've done, 95 F-250 and 83 S-10,
were this way. If your leaf pack is riveted I'd try a grinder first.
If you use a torch be very careful, you don't want to overheat the
spring. Replace the rivet with a bolt with a head that will fit the
centering hole. I used a grade 8 cap screw on the S-10, that way I
could grab it with an Allen wrench. Be sure you clamp the spring pack
together with C-clamps before releasing the tension on the center
bolt/rivet.

Larry

>Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 14:31:20 -0800
>From: Casey Vandor
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Key Locks/add a leaf

>My two key locks just got here yesterday. Someone on the list bought a
>set of two for $18.00 I believe it was, annyway, mine were $35.00 from
>Ford. Scam city....

> Larry, got a question here. How do you get the rivet out of the
>leaf pack? I have dulled up two diamond bits and don't have a
>sharpener. Do you have to torch it out or what?

>Thanks
>Casey Vandor

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:36:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bob Johnson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '86 Ranger 29.l efi - still running rich

Thanks to all who sent advice regarding my '86 Ranger. Symptoms: high and
low speed miss, black smoke out exhaust, will sometimes stall when coming to
a stop. I checked the O2 sensor, and found all 3 wires damaged, so I
replaced it - but no improvement in drivability. Have run several tanks with
injector cleaner - no effect. Mileage is relatively poor - about 15 mostly
highway mpg. Seat of the pants says it's getting worse.

Feels a lot like one of my motorcycles in the rain, when I could see the
spark leaking from a wet spark plug boot - misses, then runs ok, then misses
some more. I don't think this is moisture related - no rain here in north
Texas in a long time - hot and dry. I did clean the engine a few weeks ago,
however - degreaser and water. Should I look for moisture in the
distributor? Replace the ignition wires? Plugs? Will take it in to the shop
on Wednesday for diagnosis if no one has a better idea re: what to check
and/or replace next.

Any advice will be appreciated. TIA.

Bob
'86 Ranger SC XLT 2.9l efi
'80 F-250 Custom 300 I-6, 3 speed

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:42:52 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 Ranger 29.l efi - still running rich

By all means, pull the distributor cap off and stuff a paper towel or rag =
up in the cap to clean out any moisture. =20

I once heard that you could also spray WD-40 or some other type of water =
resistance spray inside the cap to keep moisture out. I've never used the =
spray and would recommend against it until you are really sure of the =
correct type to use. =20

In any event wipe out the inside of the cap and check all plug wires, =
finally, inside a dark garage or after dark tonight, lift the hood and =
have someone rev the engine and watch for stray sparks from broken or =
loose plug wires.


>>> Bob Johnson 07/06 8:36 AM >>>
Thanks to all who sent advice regarding my '86 Ranger. Symptoms: high and
low speed miss, black smoke out exhaust, will sometimes stall when coming =
to
a stop. I checked the O2 sensor, and found all 3 wires damaged, so I
replaced it - but no improvement in drivability. Have run several tanks =
with
injector cleaner - no effect. Mileage is relatively poor - about 15 mostly
highway mpg. Seat of the pants says it's getting worse.

Feels a lot like one of my motorcycles in the rain, when I could see the
spark leaking from a wet spark plug boot - misses, then runs ok, then =
misses
some more. I don't think this is moisture related - no rain here in north
Texas in a long time - hot and dry. I did clean the engine a few weeks =
ago,
however - degreaser and water. Should I look for moisture in the
distributor? Replace the ignition wires? Plugs? Will take it in to the =
shop
on Wednesday for diagnosis if no one has a better idea re: what to check
and/or replace next.

Any advice will be appreciated. TIA.

Bob
'86 Ranger SC XLT 2.9l efi
'80 F-250 Custom 300 I-6, 3 speed

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:18:17 -0700
From: Rene Poulin
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Timing and Mileage

Hi All

I have a 84 F150 with a 300 engine. I have hooked up a vacuum gauge
permanently to the intake manifold to give me an idea of how much fuel I
am using at any given time. I found recommendations elswhere ont the
net about advancing the timing anywhere from 2-10 degrees from factory
specs to improve performance and mileage. So far it seems to work The
vacuum gauge indicates at least 30% less fuel consumed at cruising speed
and there is definetly more power. I am just about to go on a long trip
and will keep track of actual mileage obtained. Anyone else fooled with
the timing on their motors?

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 14:51:35 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing Pinging

I have a 1989 460 gas engine and unless I use the mid-grade (or even high =
octane premium on really hot days) the engines pings. At 10 - 12 mph this =
adds a lot of money to the fuel bill.

Anyone have a fix? Will adjusting timing or adjusting the fuel injection =
make a difference? =20

I figure I can put more fuel in the engine by using an adjustable fuel =
pressure regulator and bumpimg the pressure up a few pounds.

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:50:13 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oops, still trying to add cruise

On 6 Jul 98, at 8:39, C. E. White wrote:

>When I bought my 1992 F150, it did not have cruise. I purchased the Ford
>add-on cruise unit. It installed easily. It uses the factory speed sensor,
>but does not use the factory computer. Instead it has its own controller.
>The kit also included a stalk to add to the side of the steering column
>cover. There was a template to show you where to add it. It sort of looks
>like a factory unit and works like one. It cost a little more than buying
>one from Pep Boys or JC Whitney, but I think it was a better quality unit
>and it did use the factory speed sensor. It also included a vacuum
>reservoir to add to the system.

They asked about the steering wheel though. We've got an '84 and
an '86. The '84 doesn't have cruise, it doesn't have the controls on
the wheel, the '86 does have cruise and it has the controls. I don't
think you would be able to add one to it either, but then I am not
sure...

If you can use the stalk out of the side, then it'll work, I think a lot
of the GM's and then the imports do that.

You might be a redneck if... The dishwasher and your wife are
one and the same. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:50:13 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Fuel injector cleaner

On 5 Jul 98, at 12:04, Ken Payne wrote:

>This trick has been used for years and seems to work well. Tranny
>fluid is slightly acidic and will clean out stuff pretty good. Although
>I've seen "gunk" on a tranny pan before, I've never seen varnish or gunk
>buildup in a tranny unless it was burnt up. An even better thing to use
>is Marvel Mystery Oil. Its one heck of a solvent thats been used for this
>type of stuff for longer than most of us have been alive. It isn't a snake
>oil/cure-all that Snake 50, Duraboob, Motorchump, etc. claim to be, its
>just a good cleaner/solvent. Its the best thing I've heard of for freeing
>stuck lifters too.

Oh, thanks for the help. I will go ahead and use the tranny fluid
then. I've got enough of it on hand. :) I guess I will start
putting it in wiht a full tank every six months or so. If it will save
me some money instead of having to buy something else, I will go
with that route :) I just wanted to make sure it wouldn't cause any
problems later.

You might be a redneck if... People are scared to touch your
bathrobe. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:18:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Fuel injector cleaner

At 05:50 PM 7/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
>On 5 Jul 98, at 12:04, Ken Payne wrote:
>
>>This trick has been used for years and seems to work well. Tranny
>>fluid is slightly acidic and will clean out stuff pretty good. Although
>>I've seen "gunk" on a tranny pan before, I've never seen varnish or gunk
>>buildup in a tranny unless it was burnt up. An even better thing to use
>>is Marvel Mystery Oil. Its one heck of a solvent thats been used for this
>>type of stuff for longer than most of us have been alive. It isn't a snake
>>oil/cure-all that Snake 50, Duraboob, Motorchump, etc. claim to be, its
>>just a good cleaner/solvent. Its the best thing I've heard of for freeing
>>stuck lifters too.
>
>Oh, thanks for the help. I will go ahead and use the tranny fluid
>then. I've got enough of it on hand. :) I guess I will start
>putting it in wiht a full tank every six months or so. If it will save
>me some money instead of having to buy something else, I will go
>with that route :) I just wanted to make sure it wouldn't cause any
>problems later.
>
>You might be a redneck if... People are scared to touch your
>bathrobe. - Jeff Foxworthy
>
>
>Troy Williams
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Just make sure you run it in a full tank of gas. You want
it dilluted well so it'll burn completely. Too much of any
type of oil in a system can affect the oxygen sensor.



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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:54:15 -0500
From: Ron Madurski
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Oops, still trying to add cruise

Actually my big concern is not the steering wheel itself (I found one
that will work, $45 later) but the wiring harness that goes into the
steering column. It appears to be the same between the CC truck and the
non-CC truck, so I am just going to hook everything up and see what
happens. I have it in the shop right now getting the little short
speedo cable installed. Should have it going tonight if all goes well.

- -----Original Message-----
From: C. E. White [mailto:cewhite raleigh.ibm.com]
Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 7:39 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oops, still trying to add cruise


When I bought my 1992 F150, it did not have cruise. I purchased the Ford
add-on cruise unit. It installed easily. It uses the factory speed
sensor,
but does not use the factory computer. Instead it has its own
controller.
The kit also included a stalk to add to the side of the steering column
cover. There was a template to show you where to add it. It sort of
looks
like a factory unit and works like one. It cost a little more than
buying
one from Pep Boys or JC Whitney, but I think it was a better quality
unit
and it did use the factory speed sensor. It also included a vacuum
reservoir to add to the system.

Regards,

Ed

Troy Williams wrote:

> On 30 Jun 98, at 16:36, Ron Madurski wrote:
>
> >My question is whether there are different steering wheels for
> >cruise/non-cruise trucks?
>
> Yes. The trucks with cruise have the controls built into the wheel, I
> haven't seen a single one of them that has it on the side like some
> of the little japs.
>
> You might be a redneck if... Your truck is insured by Smith &
> Wesson. - Jeff Foxworthy
>
> Troy Williams
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:19:46 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: 5 Speed in 1985?

No 5-speed manual transmission was offered in 1985..... I know
because I would have bought one.
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> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:23:45 -0500
> From: spradley cruton.bmg.uab.edu (Gary Spradley)
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Question
>
> Hello All, I'm looking to replace my New Process 435 four speed with an
> overdrive.I understand the 85 and up F150's were offered with an overdrive
> transmission.Can anyone tell me which tranny this is?
>
> Thanks
> Gary Spradley 84 F150 4X4
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:24:46 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Fuel injector cleaner

On 6 Jul 98, at 18:18, Ken Payne wrote:

>Just make sure you run it in a full tank of gas. You want
>it dilluted well so it'll burn completely. Too much of any
>type of oil in a system can affect the oxygen sensor.

Yeah, I figured that it would have some kind of affect on the vehicle.
Thanks for the help, now I can dump it in there, maybe the
thing will run a little smoother and not choke down when it's trying
to shift gears. :) It hasn't done that since I went to a different gas
station, so I don't know if there was something that was gumming
something up in there, or if this is better gas that I am putting in it
now or what. Ah well.

Thanks again.

You might be a redneck if... You've never paid for a haircut.
- Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:05:00 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives

On 5 Jul 98, at 12:16, Paul M Radecki wrote:

>... and if you spoon some oat bran into the carb it really cleans out your
>exhaust system! Heh, heh. (Works best on che_ys; we all know what
>they're full of...)

Nope, not gunna feed my truck. It gets a regular diet of 89 octane
gasoline and then the oil change every 3,000 miles, that's all it's
gettin'. :)

You might be a redneck if... Your school dress code contains the
line, 'Shoes Optional' - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:25:00 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing Pinging

This message has been forwarded for: Garr&Pam .
Send any personal replies to that address.

David Sagers wrote:
>
> I have a 1989 460 gas engine and unless I use the mid-grade (or even high octane premium on really hot days) the engines pings. At 10 - 12 mph this adds a lot of money to the fuel bill.
>
> Anyone have a fix? Will adjusting timing or adjusting the fuel injection make a difference?
>
> I figure I can put more fuel in the engine by using an adjustable fuel pressure regulator and bumpimg he pressure up a few pounds.>>

>
Try backing your timing off just a little until the pinging stops. The
higher the timing the higher octane gas you will need to run. My 351
comes with 10 deg timing but bumped it up to 14 and run high test to get
the extra horses
Chris


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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:54:51 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives

"TOOL" wrote:
"Will Tolune from paint store really work the same as fuel inject/cleaner
or will it really mess with the injectors and this is just a goof on us here?
Tool needs to know
how much does it cost per/pint or per/gal?"

I suspect that there are other chemicals in with the toluene in those fuel
injector cleaners that are really the more active ingredients, but I'm not
sure. I suspect the toluene is used mainly as a carrier (and it is a good
solvent, too).

Anyone have an engine they want to experiment on and let the list know the
results? I don't.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX

"I have a simple philosophy: fill what's empty,
empty what's full and scratch where it itches."
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:52:54 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 5 Speed in 1985?

>From the Haynes manual 80-94 F-150 & Bronco
Page 7A-2;

Many manually shifted transmissions have been available for F-series and
Bronco vehicles over the years. From 80 to 87 these include the Ford 3.03
3-speed, the Warner T-18 & T-19 4-speed(s), the NP 435 4-speed, the single
rail 4-speed overdrive (SROD) and the top mounted shifter 4-speed overdrive
(TOD). 1988 saw the Mazda M5OD 5-speed, the S5-42 ZF 5-speed light & heavy
duty.

There's more, I can copy the whole chapter and fax it to you if you wish...

my .02

Bob




At 05:19 PM 7/6/98 -0700, you wrote:
No 5-speed manual transmission was offered in 1985..... I know
>because I would have bought one.
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>> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:23:45 -0500
>> From: spradley cruton.bmg.uab.edu (Gary Spradley)
>> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Question
>>
>> Hello All, I'm looking to replace my New Process 435 four speed with an
>> overdrive.

I understand the 85 and up F150's were offered with an overdrive
>> transmission.Can anyone tell me which tranny this is?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Gary Spradley 84 F150 4X4
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:53:41 -0600 (MDT)
From: Gary Masters
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 5 Speed in 1985?

> > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:23:45 -0500
> > From: spradley cruton.bmg.uab.edu (Gary Spradley)
> > Subject: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Question
> >
> > Hello All, I'm looking to replace my New Process 435 four speed with an
> > overdrive.I understand the 85 and up F150's were offered with an overdrive
> > transmission.Can anyone tell me which tranny this is?
> >

I had an '87 with overdrive. It wasn't a 5 speed though. It was a 4
speed. 1,2,3,OD. It was a good tranny, but first wasn't quite low enough.
I don't know who made it, or the model number.

Gary Masters
gmasters devcg.denver.co.us

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:45:45 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Expanded products page, 100s of items

Many members of Ford Truck Enthusiasts have long asked about
discounts on products and its finally done. We don't have a
shopping cart or secure shopping yet, simply a products page
with prices. We're working on the cart, then the secure
on-line ordering.

Included are items for both old and new trucks:

- - Ford Truck Enthusiasts static cling window sticker.
- - Ford Truck And Ranchero Resources book, if you can't find
a part, this book will tell you where to get it. 100s of
sources listed with tons of information.
- - The Working Mat. The manufacturer is offering a 10%
discount to purchases made though our site. This is a
heavy-duty (long bed mat is 90lbs!) reinforced rubber bed
mat with lift up panels which are used to prevent cargo
slippage. Comes with a 3 year guarentee!
- - Several hundred (no kidding) Ford truck items from Jim
Osborn Reproductions. Items from 1996 all the way back to
the 1920s. Ford Sales Literature, Wiring Diagram Manuals,
Assembly Manuals, Service And Parts Manuals, Performance
Manuals, Air Cleaner Decals, Valve Cover Decals, Engine
Compartment Decals/Tags, Emission Decals, Interior Decals,
Jack Instructions, Chassis And Body Decals, Exterior Decals,
Miscellaneous Decals and Columbia Axle Decals! We offer
these items at a 10% discount off Jim Osborn's retail
prices. We only sell these through the web site. Jim Osborn
Reproductions is a licensed Ford products company.
- - Magazine subscriptions to several popular truck mags. We
actually sell these through the Newstand Network. They
guarentee the lowest subscription rates and it helps us.

All these items help to fund our web site and the mailing lists.
Our monthly costs are substantual and we put in a lot of time
with the site so your support is appreciated but not required.
As is our usual practice, we will increase our free services as
our budget allows.

In addition to getting a shopping cart and secure on-line ordering,
we hope to add more products in the near future.

Now returning you to our regular program....
Ken & Peggy Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 00:38:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Forgot the URL!

I forgot to post the URL for the products page:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/products/index.html

Its also a link off the menu bar at the top of
most pages.

Ken Payne
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