80-96-list-digest Wednesday, June 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 222



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: Electronic transmissions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Water Stain
Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 351 just stopped.....
Re: FTE 80-96 - Thanks & Elect. Speedo Recalibration
FTE 80-96 - RE: FIPK Info.....
FTE 80-96 - maps
FTE 80-96 - RE: 88 351 just stops
Re: FTE 80-96 - maps
FTE 80-96 - Re: Water Stain
FTE 80-96 - Center Console Removal
FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 Wobble steering....
FTE 80-96 - Stickers/Ken
Re: FTE 80-96 - Stickers/Ken
FTE 80-96 - Ford Excursion Page
FTE 80-96 - Fixed it....
FTE 80-96 - Lowest cost A/C (R12) recharging
RE: FTE 80-96 - Ford Excursion Page
FTE 80-96 - F-350 Stretch Limo!
Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 Wobble steering....
Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 Wobble steering....
FTE 80-96 - Rear Differential Seal
FTE 80-96 - Steering Stabilizers, Cepek Vs Rancho
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Key Lock

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:46:00 -0400
From: "Lyter, Bob (Concert)"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: Electronic transmissions

Thanks for the info on the trans shudder fix.
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From: Jram
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Electronic transmissions
Date: Friday, June 19, 1998 11:47PM

I saw two different problems with electronic overdrive transmissions posted
on digest #218. If they are the AODE transmissions then the first complaint
of not wanting to engage at all and the leaking is from one of the pump
housing bolts leaking intermittently which is in the bell housing. The
complaint of shudder is from the torque converter clutch. Ford has now
changed there recommended service interval to 22,000 miles on all rear wheel
drive electronic transmissions as far as I know. I guess a little bit too
late for owners of pre 97 vehicles. If servicing the shudder trans fixes
the shudder for only a short time then the torque converter will have to be
replaced for a permanent fix. Then service from then on and you should be
OK.


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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:43:19 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Water Stain

That actually doesn't sound like a bad price. Although that's probably enough to
repaint your entire truck. Can you get it in a pint? You should also be able to
find some one to custom mix you a pint. But before you go through all that, did you
try wet sanding the area lightly with 1000 or 1500 sand paper? A lot of times you
can remove imperfections that way. Just follow it up with a good buffing compound (a
light grit) and then finish with some glaze.

Chad

Casey Vandor wrote:

> I have those round rope cleats on the sides of the bed of the truck. When I
> bought the truck, the previous owner told me the things had started caroding
> (spell) from day one, so there is a trail of white down the brown paint and
> across the stripes. Is there anything I can do to get rid of them? I have
> tried Blue Coral Car Wash Gel and lots of elbow grease, but they are there
> to stay. Touch up is out of the quiestion too, as no body here makes Medium
> Walnut Mettallic color except Ford who would love to sell me a gallon for
> $100.00!!
>
> Thanks
> Casey Vandor



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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:52:53 -0400
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 351 just stopped.....

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Sunday, 21 June 98, Pat Daniels wrote:

> I have an 88 F350 4x4 with the stock 351 with the C6. Yesterday when I was
> driving home the truck just stopped running, no sputtering, just silence.
> I could still turn the truck over, but it just wouldn't start. I also
> noticed I didn't have my "Check Engine" light when I had the ignition
> turned to the on position with the truck not running. This went on for
> about 15 minutes then I turned the ignition on one time and noticed the
> "Check Engine" light was now on and the truck fired right up. I then
> started driving home via the local motocross track. I was there for 2
> hours jumped in the truck, made it about a mile and it stopped again. No
> "check engine" light again, no starting. It hasn't started for a few
> hours. Anyone seen this before? I haven't started troubleshooting it yet
> except for checking the fuses, the fuel inertia switch and what I could see
> under the hood. I disconnected the battery for a few minutes, thinking it
> might re-set the computer. It didn't. I do have spark so I'm leaning
> toward the EEC computer having killed the fuel pumps. The truck has dual
> tanks so I doubt both fuel pumps would die at the same time. I have read
> the Haynes manual on extracting fault codes from the EEC but have never
> done it and would like to know any tips or other peoples experiences, for,
> as I type this, my truck is sitting humiliated in the driveway. It
> suffered the humiliation of being towed home last night by, yes, a C***Y.

I've had this on early-eighties Ford trucks. It was the ignition
module back then. But the ignition module on your truck is much
better than the old one. Still, it's worth a check. If you have a
friend with an EFI smallblock Ford V8, they may have a module you can
pop in so you can see if it works before shelling out the $$$.
Basically when cold, the truck starts up and runs fine. After runing
awhile it gets warm and stops running, won't start. Cools down for
awhile and starts right back up again!

Chris mailto:chris yonderway.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:57:06 -0400
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Thanks & Elect. Speedo Recalibration

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Friday, 19 June 98, Mark H. Neblett wrote:

> Many thanks for the suggestions for tire sizes to fill out the wheelwells on
> my '94 F-150 SC 4x4. I thought I might be able to return the favor by
> posting a "clean" version of the electronic speedometer calibration
> procedure from Stephen M. Brown (hurricanesteve geocities.com) that was
> posted a few days ago -- I rewrote it in an "idiot-proof" form (had to --
> I'm the one who's going to use it) as a checklist/procedure when I go to the
> bigger tires. Apologies in advance if the bandwidth is too much.

> 1. DETERMINE THE "CONVERSION CONSTANT":
[snip]

Good stuff, thanks for posting!

Hey, Ken, this would be good for the FTE web site, no?

Chris mailto:chris yonderway.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
1987 Ford F250 5.0L 2WD "Ugly Truckling" aka "Optimus Primer"

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:13:14 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: FIPK Info.....

Hi Pat,

The FIPK, Filtercharger Performance Kit, is a replacement to the
filter plenum that holds your filter in place. Basically it is a very
large filter that allows your engine to get all the air it needs with-
out any air drag as it flows thru the filter and housing.

Advantages:

Improved performance-approx. 10-15 hp 2500 rmp.
Improved fuel economy-approx. 2 miles per gallon.
Never needs replacement-clean every 50,000 miles

Dis-advantages:

Very loud-(some people think it sounds cool.)
Cleaning requires re-oiling.
costly-about $165.00

I purchased K&N PN 75-2503, which is the same for your truck.
Go to this web site for detailed information:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cyber1.virtualrep.com/scripts/webcatalog/performanceinternational
/search.tpl

K&N also has a web site but is mostly BS.

The kit also comes with a re-charger kit. You won't need it for
another 500.000 miles so store it where you can find it three
years from now. You should add a little more oil if you plan to
go off road, the squirt bottle they give you sucks more than
their filters. :-) Don't add too much, like Dave Resch said. I
have a motorcycle with a K&N jet kit so I used the spray
bottle that came with it, not the squirt bottle.

You will notice a great performance increase if you combine
this kit with a high flow cat-back exhaust and a power
computer chip like I did. But it will cost you big bucks.

Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Pat Daniels [SMTP:pdaniels ptialaska.net]
> Sent:Friday, June 19, 1998 10:35 PM
> To:sgiddens ball.com
> Subject:FIPK Info.....
>
> Scott,
> Saw your reply on the Ford site and was wondering, what is in the
> K&N
> Fuel Injection Performance Kit? I have an 88 F350 4X4 crew cab with
> the
> fuel injected 351 and any increase in mileage would be nice. Did it
> help
> yours much? How much was it?
> Any info would be appreciated, Thanks
> Pat Daniels
> Kodiak, Alaska
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Date: 22 Jun 98 11:41:52 -0500
From: "Todd Johnston"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - maps

Hi everyone
I was wondering if there might be anyone in Ontario or Canada
that knows where i can get some 4x4 trail maps for the surrounding areas.
I live in Ontario so those would be the best ones for me but i wouldn't mind
having a couple for other parts of Canada in case i want to go on vacation
somewhere different. Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Todd Johnston
Big Bronco Bustin
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:43:36 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: 88 351 just stops

> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:15:36 -0800
> From: "Pat Daniels"
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - 88 351 just stopped.....
>
> I have an 88 F350 4x4 with the stock 351 with the C6. Yesterday when I
> was
> driving home the truck just stopped running, no sputtering, just silence.
> I could still turn the truck over, but it just wouldn't start. [snip]
> Pat Daniels
> Kodiak, Alaska

Pat, reading the error codes from the EEC-4 is simple but a little
tricky(counting the pulses and discerning between the time delays). You can
follow the haynes manual and use an analog voltmeter to count the pulses or
get a cheapo code reading tool (about $25-30) at most auto parts stores. It
really is simple and the codes should be stored in memory unless you
accidentally erased them all by disconnecting the battery. Good luck. Let
us know what it is. I don't think it would be the TFI because when it
goes, it goes and the truck will not restart until the TFI is replaced..

Walt
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:23:14 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - maps

Todd,
Here in Washington I get trail maps from the U.S. Forestry Service Ranger
station, they have the maps for the local ranger districts that show all
trails, 4-wheel as well as foot. The maps run about 5 bucks per district. A
topigraphical version of the same can be had for about 6 bucks more.
I'm not sure if you have an equivalent organization up there or not...Let
me know either way and I'll see what's available from this end.

Bob


At 11:41 AM 6/22/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi everyone
> I was wondering if there might be anyone in Ontario or Canada
>that knows where i can get some 4x4 trail maps for the surrounding areas.

>Todd Johnston
>Big Bronco Bustin

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:09:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Preston
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Water Stain

Try using polishing compound, (carefully) by hand first. If that does
not work, try it with a buffer (carefully). If that does not work,
repaint it.

Joe P



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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:56:13 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Center Console Removal

Help,

I would really appreciate someone telling me how to
remove the plastic insert from the center console.
I have some change rolling around under the area where
the sliding door goes and it is driving me crazy ~:-|

Scott
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:19:53 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 Wobble steering....

Hi Guys!

Got a question- Anyone have any problems with their steering column? I
have a 92 F-150 with tilt wheel and the steering wheel wobbles. Like it is
loose at the joint behind the wheel, but before the tilt. It won't come off
(I tried...), But I don't want to cause any unnessecary damage.

Any Ideas?

Joe
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:32:23 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Stickers/Ken

I got the FTE stickers the other day...very cool.

Thanks Ken!

Joe
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:14:32 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Stickers/Ken

At 08:32 PM 6/22/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I got the FTE stickers the other day...very cool.
>
>Thanks Ken!
>
>Joe

You're welcome. I notice that whenever I pass another Ford truck
I slow down long enough for them to read it!

Ken

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:21:25 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford Excursion Page

I found this a minute ago, has two pics of a Excursion.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecarconnection.com/cc_spy17.htm

Thanks
Casey Vandor

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:33:36 -0800
From: "Pat Daniels"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fixed it....

In regard to my message concerning the 88 F350 with the 351 that just died,
well, she is running again. The cause? Fuel pump relay was not
"relaying". May have been because of old age or the corrosion I found in
the plug. I thumped it a few times and the fuel pump started hummin.
Thanks to all who responded. Despite the rare petty arguments that take
place, there are some of the nicest people on this list. They'll go out of
their way to research stuff for ya as well as sharing their knowledge and
experience. As soon as the truck died, I thought "man, I need to send this
problem in the Ford truck digest, someone will surely be able to help". I
had many responses and one of them sent to me by Almus Kenter was the exact
same problem I had. Incredible. Thanks to all.

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:30:17 -0700
From: "mikemilr"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Lowest cost A/C (R12) recharging

Just had the A/C recharged in my 85 F250 6.9 w banks. Wal-Mart has
the best price by far of anyone for doing A/C charging. Here in Seattle, the
rate is $40 plus $25 per pound for R12 - mine called for 3.4 lbs. The tech
put in an extra .25 lbs and it made a huge (5+ deg) difference in the temp
of the air output. They will charge it, then pressure test it and if it
leaks, they remove the freon and don't charge you for it.

Just a satisfied customer
mike miller
85 F250 xcab 4x4 6.9 banks



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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:50:00 -0400
From: "Lyter, Bob (Concert)"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Ford Excursion Page

Could not get to it???
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From: Casey Vandor
To: Ford Truck List (80 + 96)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford Excursion Page
Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 9:21PM

I found this a minute ago, has two pics of a Excursion.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecarconnection.com/cc_spy17.htm

Thanks
Casey Vandor

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:30:12 -0700
From: "Wood, Steve"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-350 Stretch Limo!

Wow! Think of an all-white F-350 Crew Cab 4x4 long bed with a canopy. Now
add a ~15-foot section between the back of the cab and the front of the bed,
with it's own door and step. Fill this section with all the luxury
trappings. This is what I've seen twice on the roads near Portland, OR.

The first time I spotted it I was with my kids in our F-350/CC. It was
parked at a church, where a wedding was just getting over. I stopped and
turned around so fast my kids thought I'd gone crazy. The truck/limo was
quickly getting surrounded by people or I would have gone over and spoken
with the driver. We watched the groom help the bride up the step into the
limo section. The second spotting was on the highway, going the oppposite
way.

I know how fun it can be to negotiate a crew cab around the streets; I can't
even imagine what it would be like with a wheelbase 15' longer!

Stephen Wood
Driving Mr. Thirsty (1995 F-350/460 Crew Cab)

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:39:43 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 Wobble steering....

ACMERCG aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi Guys!
>
> Got a question- Anyone have any problems with their steering column? I
> have a 92 F-150 with tilt wheel and the steering wheel wobbles. Like it is
> loose at the joint behind the wheel, but before the tilt. It won't come off
> (I tried...), But I don't want to cause any unnessecary damage.
>
> Any Ideas?
>
> Joe
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Don't know if this will apply to your truck but my 87 Escort GT had tilt
and there was a braket that held everything to the column had 2 13 mm
bolts that come loose every so often....Ever one I knew that had tilt
had the problem...they should of put so lock tight on them or something.
Anyway just remove the column covers behind the steering wheel and you
should be able to see them
Hope this helps
Chris
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:45:41 EDT
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 Wobble steering....

In a message dated 6/23/98 12:35:01 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
garrpam netgsi.com writes:

>
> Don't know if this will apply to your truck but my 87 Escort GT had tilt
> and there was a braket that held everything to the column had 2 13 mm
> bolts that come loose every so often....Ever one I knew that had tilt
> had the problem...they should of put so lock tight on them or something.
> Anyway just remove the column covers behind the steering wheel and you
> should be able to see them
> Hope this helps
> Chris
>
Same thing happened on my 87 Ranger. Ttightened them once and they have stayed
tight though.
D Baken
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:13:09 -0500
From: "SFC Dulaney"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rear Differential Seal

I have a '92 F150 Flare Side, 302, 5.0 ltr, 4x2

I have noticed that my rear seal is starting to leak where the
drive shaft enters the differential. Is replacing this seal a
hard task to accomplish or require any special tools?

Chuck

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:59:44 -0500
From: JJ/Rae
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Steering Stabilizers, Cepek Vs Rancho

Anybody know what the difference between Cepek and Rancho steering
stabilizers or if there is any diff at all. Just picked up some
285/75R16 BFG/MT's and
want to add a stabilizer. Plus which is better the single or dual
set-up. Had dual
Rancho on the Bronco so am leaning that way but I'd like to hear from
anybody that has
the Cepek ones first.

JJ
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:46:40 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Key Lock

tfmf211 ....


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