80-96-list-digest Saturday, June 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 219



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - OOOPS.. Press in clips
Re: FTE 80-96 - just stuff
RE: FTE 80-96 - just stuff
FTE 80-96 - Press in clips, found
Re: FTE 80-96 - Press in clips, found
FTE 80-96 - 4wd Problems
FTE 80-96 - Thanks & Elect. Speedo Recalibration
FTE 80-96 - Re: Electronic transmissions
FTE 80-96 - re: door panel clips
Re: FTE 80-96 - Shock opinions
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New performance list

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 06:49:02 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - OOOPS.. Press in clips

Casey Vandor wrote:

> I think I quoted the entire digest... I hope the server did not allow my
> message to go through.
> If it didn't, I was replying about those little white press in clips that
> hold the door panels on. Another list member was going to a junkyard and
> said he would look around. Mine is an 83 regular cab, base model (in case
> the XLT or Lariets have different interiors)


That was me and I plan on trying to get there. Yeah, with
an '83 that should make it easy. From '81 - '87 models
should be the same. Hell, the ones on my bronco should
work. But don't get any ideas. :-)

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:26:57 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - just stuff

Sometimes your mileage is actually worse with large tires and short gears because you
are so far out of the top of the torque curve.

Chad

Parker Brooks wrote:

> hey todd,
>
> i can only give you my feeling when i had an explorer with 31" tires. it had
> the 3.73 and was decent for a 4L, so i'd have to guess that if you have a
> 5.0 and 3.55 with 33", you mind bog a little, but your highway mileage will
> be great. :)



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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:39:03 -0700
From: cassis
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - just stuff

I know in my case taller tires made my mpg worse, not better.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed


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From:Chad Royse [SMTP:chadlyr ix.netcom.com]
Sent:Friday, June 19, 1998 5:27 AM
To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - just stuff

Sometimes your mileage is actually worse with large tires and short gears because you
are so far out of the top of the torque curve.

Chad

Parker Brooks wrote:

> hey todd,
>
> i can only give you my feeling when i had an explorer with 31" tires. it had
> the 3.73 and was decent for a 4L, so i'd have to guess that if you have a
> 5.0 and 3.55 with 33", you mind bog a little, but your highway mileage will
> be great. :)



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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 05:26:22 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Press in clips, found

To the guy who was going to the junkyard (bad with names...) I have some
clips on the way, so you don't look for any. I appreciate the offer though.

Thanks
Casey Vandor

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:55:31 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Press in clips, found

Casey Vandor wrote:

> To the guy who was going to the junkyard (bad with names...) I have some
> clips on the way, so you don't look for any. I appreciate the offer though.


This is the guy. :-)
So where did you order them from and how much $.
I'm just curious.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:23:28 EDT
From: Rob782 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 4wd Problems

I have a 1990 Bronco II that suffered from the same problem with the transfer
case. It was dropping in and out of 4L, no apparent reason. Took it to the
local Ford dealer, took them a month and a half and $7000 to figure out it was
the motor that engaged the 4 wheel drive. Sounds like thats the trouble, have
them check it
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:33:36 -0400
From: "Mark H. Neblett"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Thanks & Elect. Speedo Recalibration

Many thanks for the suggestions for tire sizes to fill out the wheelwells on
my '94 F-150 SC 4x4. I thought I might be able to return the favor by
posting a "clean" version of the electronic speedometer calibration
procedure from Stephen M. Brown (hurricanesteve geocities.com) that was
posted a few days ago -- I rewrote it in an "idiot-proof" form (had to --
I'm the one who's going to use it) as a checklist/procedure when I go to the
bigger tires. Apologies in advance if the bandwidth is too much.

1. DETERMINE THE "CONVERSION CONSTANT":

Number of tire revolutions per mile times 108, divided by 8000. Working out
all the constants, the equivalent formula is:

136.135 divided by R, the effective radius of the tire (the height from the
ground to the center of the rear hub in inches).

This calculation can be double-checked a couple of ways. First, measure the
existing tire height and apply the formula -- the result should be the
constant already in the speedo module. Also, the new conversion constant
should equal the old conversion constant times the ratio of the old/new tire
sizes:

New constant = Old constant x (effective radius of the old tire)/(effective
radius of the new tire).

2. RESET THE CONVERSION CONSTANT:

Note: The module can only be reprogrammed six times.

a. Locate the dealer mode programming enable single-terminal connector.
The connector is located at the bottom of the instrument panel below the
center of the glove box. On all vehicles, the dealer mode enable wire is
Circuit 567(LB/Y).

b. Insert a jumper wire or alligator clip in service wire and clip other
end to vehicle ground with the key in the OFF position.

c. Turn key to RUN while holding down the trip odometer RESET button on the
speedometer.

d. Release RESET button. The Speedometer will prove out (sweep across dial
and back). The English/Metric and revision levels will be displayed.

The last number of the display id the dealer mode lockout count. This
count shows the number of allowable conversion constant changes remaining.
When the count is zero (0), no additional changes can be made to this
instrument cluster. If a revision is required a service instrument cluster
must be ordered.

e. Press and release the RESET button again and the conversion constant
(without the decimal point) will be displayed followed by the word CAL.

f. Press and release the odometer SELECT button as many times as necessary
to change the conversion constant to the correct value.

Note: Pressing and releasing the RESET button to lock in the new
conversion constant reduces the number of times the module can be
reprogrammed by one count. If you change your mind and want to go back to
the old conversion constant, turn the key OFF BEFORE you lock in the new
constant.

g. When the new correct value is displayed in the odometer window, press
and release the RESET button to lock in the new conversion constant.

h. Turn the key OFF, disconnect the ground wire, and then check to see that
the speedometer works correctly.

Thanks again for the help.
Mark Neblett

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:47:09 -0500
From: "Jram"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Electronic transmissions

I saw two different problems with electronic overdrive transmissions posted
on digest #218. If they are the AODE transmissions then the first complaint
of not wanting to engage at all and the leaking is from one of the pump
housing bolts leaking intermittently which is in the bell housing. The
complaint of shudder is from the torque converter clutch. Ford has now
changed there recommended service interval to 22,000 miles on all rear wheel
drive electronic transmissions as far as I know. I guess a little bit too
late for owners of pre 97 vehicles. If servicing the shudder trans fixes
the shudder for only a short time then the torque converter will have to be
replaced for a permanent fix. Then service from then on and you should be
OK.


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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:16:14 -0600
From: "Randy Kindler"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: door panel clips

If you can't find them at the salvage yard, I got some at Auto Zone for a
few dollars for a package of 5 or 6. They don't look exactly like the
originals, because they were designed to fit several vehicles, but they work
just fine.

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 01:42:21 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Shock opinions

Forwarded for: "Parker Brooks"

what is that anyway? f series classic? a f-350 customized to look like a
surburban?


>P.S. Have you ever seen a late model F series classic?
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 02:26:13 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New performance list

The Performance list is now working. This list is for performance
issues, all years are covered. Off-topic posts will be strictly
enforced with this list as I do not want it to take content away
from the other lists. If you want to talk about milage, towing,
looks, etc, post to the appropriate group. If you want to talk
about HP, torque, hot-rodding, building strong engines, etc, then
this is the group (although these issues can be covered in the
existing groups too). This group was started so members can tap
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year/models.

List member Keith Srb will be administering this list so please
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