80-96-list-digest Wednesday, June 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 216



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Ranger hesitation-follow up
FTE 80-96 - Leaking fan Clutch
FTE 80-96 - Wet Emergency Brake Spring
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ranger hesitation-follow up
Paint quality (was: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford lost another customer)
FTE 80-96 - RE: Battery Drain - Voltage Regulator
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Battery Drain - Voltage Regulator
Re: FTE 80-96 - Tire Size Q
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wet Emergency Brake Spring
FTE 80-96 - dana full floater
Re: FTE 80-96 - dana full floater
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96 Female Novice (tires & shocks)
FTE 80-96 - Re: Key Lock
FTE 80-96 - Fwd: F Ford trucks

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:32:48 -0400
From: Craig Butler
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ranger hesitation-follow up

I posted a question about two weeks ago about my 94 ranger. For afew weeks (maybe a month) it has had the tendency to stutter (misfire?) upon hard acceleration. After listing that I had repalaced most of the obvious electrical stuff, like plugs, wires, air filter, o2 sensors, and fuel fulter. I also ran dry gas,etc I got a few responses that I may need to replace the "Throttle Position Sensor"

I need some more advice. Is this something I can do myself, or is it a dealer only item? Where it this sensor located. What does it look like,etc.

Any assistance greatly appreciated.

Craig Butler

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 07:29:21 -0500
From: David Anderson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Leaking fan Clutch

I just replaced the water pump on my '90 F150 4.9L six. I noticed that
the fan clutch was leaking a little bit of silicone (I think) around the
thermal spring on the front. Is this bad? The clutch seems to work
normally and turn freely. I heard somewhere that when replacing either
the pump or clutch it is a good idea to replace the other. Why is this?
If one goes out of balance or something, does it damage the other? By
the way, it took two tries with "new" ($35 made in China) pumps from a
discount auto store before I got one that didn't leak at the bearing
vent hole.

David
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:53:21 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Wet Emergency Brake Spring

Has anyone else noticed, that after a particularly damp night,
when you release the emergency brake you sometimes get
sprayed with a small amount of water.

Could it be condensation on the spring or a leak. I am concerned
it could corrode the emergency brake mechanism inside the cab.

Any comments, solutions?

Scott
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:32:26 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ranger hesitation-follow up

Craig Butler wrote:

> I posted a question about two weeks ago about my 94 ranger. For afew weeks (maybe a month) it has had the tendency to stutter (misfire?) upon hard acceleration. After listing that I had repalaced most of the obvious electrical stuff, like plugs, wires, air filter, o2 sensors, and fuel fulter. I also ran dry gas,etc I got a few responses that I may need to replace the "Throttle Position Sensor"
>
> I need some more advice. Is this something I can do myself, or is it a dealer only item? Where it this sensor located. What does it look like,etc.

Craig,
Here is some information I found on the web for the
TPS(Throttle Position Sensor). I don't have EFI on my
bronco but do on my mustang. So this info will help me
too. :-)

The throttle position sensor is on the side of the throttle body, it's a
little black box with a 3 contact connector on it. One is ground(the middle one)
and the outer two pins are full throttle and idle contacts. Only the idle contacts
are used on sticks, automatics use idle and full throttle contacts. There are
two screws on the switch so you can adjust it, they rarely go bad. With an
ohmmeter, rotate the switch until the idle contact is closed with the throttle
closed. It should open when you just barely push the gas pedal, telling the
computer that the engine isn't idling anymore. You can't adjust the full throttle
contacts separately, so you're stuck with however they work if you have an
automatic. If your car lurches a little while coasting in gear towards a red light,
it may be that the TPS is not quite right and the computer is switching from
idle to running. This can make your car lurch a little because the fuel is shut
off when you are coasting in gear to save gas. The switch is opening and closing,
turning the fuel on and off. To replace the switch, simply remove the two screws,
unplug it, and replace it with the new one.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:21:41
From: Tim Clevenger
Subject: Paint quality (was: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford lost another customer)

Unfortunately, pretty much every manufacturer has had paint peeling issues at one time. Here are some of the cars I've seen having paint issues:

'85 H*nda Accord (roof and trunklid)
'89 N*ssan 240SX (trunklid)
'86 Ford Ranger (mine's pretty much all rust now.)
'87 Toy*ta Celica (clearcoat disintegrated along sides)
'82 B*W 3-series (clearcoat everywhere)
'84 Ch*vy Blazer (roof)

I've also spotted a couple of early 90's D*dge Intrepids with paint peeling.

Various body and paint shops offer me excuses about why the manufacturer didn't paint correctly. The Ford-warranty shop that repainted my friend's '90 F-150 said that sometimes Ford runs out of primer and/or gets in a hurry and doesn't put enough (or any) primer on some of the trucks. (I'll take that with some salt, of course.)

Tim Clevenger
'86 Ford Ranger
'90 Nissan 240SX SE (for sale)
'86 Honda Helix


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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:23:51 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford lost another customer

Forwarded for: Chad Royse

I've seen Ford's with paint peeling, but it seems I've seen A LOT more Ch#vy's
peeling. Good thing he already took delivery of it, being as GM's work force is so
un*stable.


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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:07:23 -0700
From: Steve Faust
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Battery Drain - Voltage Regulator

Joe, Rick, Walt...
One other thing to check when having trouble with / replacing the
Voltage Regulator are the two Fuseable Link wires connecting to the
regulator (they just look like heavy gage wires). I had drained the
batteries on my big 7.3 ltr and in the process of jump starting then
charging the batteries (didn't disconnect from system :-( oops) I
burned them up. I thought it was the regulator which I swapped out under
lifetime warranty from parts shop, but still low output when testing --
finally a buddy at a Ford Dealership found the problem for me (took them
3 hours to track it down, after checking the entire electrical system).
Just something to watch for.

Steve Faust
'88 F-250 (7.3 4x4 Supercab)




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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:38:42 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Battery Drain - Voltage Regulator

Steve Faust wrote:

> Joe, Rick, Walt...
> One other thing to check when having trouble with / replacing the
> Voltage Regulator are the two Fuseable Link wires connecting to the
> regulator (they just look like heavy gage wires). I had drained the
> batteries on my big 7.3 ltr and in the process of jump starting then
> charging the batteries (didn't disconnect from system :-( oops) I
> burned them up.

Thanx, I'll watch out for that.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:53:39 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tire Size Q

Mark H. Neblett wrote:

> thinking -- since I'm about due for tires, are there any larger sizes I can
> use on the stock 15" alloy rims to replace the stock P235/75-15's? For
> example, is there a 265/?? for 15 inch rims? I'm not looking for "monster
> truck" look or body trimming, just something to fill the wheel wells a

Mark,
You should be able to go as high as a 31x10.5x15 mounted on
a 15" rim. As far as rim width, I would not recommend putting
a 31" tire on a 6"x15", but 7"x15" or larger width rim would work.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:21:07 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wet Emergency Brake Spring

Giddens, Scott wrote:

> Has anyone else noticed, that after a particularly damp night,
> when you release the emergency brake you sometimes get
> sprayed with a small amount of water.


Scott,
I live in Alabama where the humidity/condensation regulary
stays high in the summer months and have never experienced this.
There are silicone sprays you can keep the brake cable/sping lubed
with to fight the corrosion your worried about. If you wanted, you
could probably just periodically spray Wd-40 which is oil based.
My $0.01

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:46:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: STHIBODE spf.fairchildsemi.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - dana full floater

Question on a 1985 Dana 61 full floating rear axle on an 85 f250...

When servicing brakes or anything that requires drum/hub removal on a full
floater is it necessary to repack the wheel bearings with grease upon
installation? Is the already 90W covered bearings enough lubrication for
reassembly?

thanks in advance,
Steve
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:38:45 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - dana full floater

Brake removal/replacement will not expose rear wheel bearing assemblies on
rear axles.

Bob


At 01:46 PM 6/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Question on a 1985 Dana 61 full floating rear axle on an 85 f250...
>
>When servicing brakes or anything that requires drum/hub removal on a full
>floater is it necessary to repack the wheel bearings with grease upon
>installation? Is the already 90W covered bearings enough lubrication for
>reassembly?
>
>thanks in advance,
>Steve

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:25:25 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96 Female Novice (tires & shocks)

>From: Steve Faust
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 Female Novice (tires & shocks)
>
Yo Steve:

Couple of minor points on metric tire sizes

>For Metric the first number is the tire width the second is the
>sidewall 'Aspect Ratio' (% of with) and again third number is
>rim size (in example tire is 245 cm wide side walls are 75%
>of width tall for 116" rim).

Width on metric tires is specified in millimeters, not centimeters. (245
cm is probably wider than your truck. :-) The width (called section width)
is measured at the widest point on the mounted tire (usually somewhere the
sidewall bulges out), not at the tread.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:27:47 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Key Lock

Ok, a list memeber told me how to change out the complete lock assembly, but
to do so I need to pull the panels off the doors. All the little white
press in clips are missing lots of teeth and don't hold real well. Ford
cant find them in their ordering manuals and NAPA doesn't carry them, do you
have a Ford Part Number I could show the dealer or where should I look for
more of them?

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:10:48 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fwd: F Ford trucks

Forward by "executive decision":

From: Scott
Subject: FTE Pre61 - share your story

Had this e-mail sent to me and if you would like to help out then
please e-mail me with your story, wm_69 yahoo.com
Scott


experience with your F Ford truck. Stuff like; how I got my first F
truck,
my Grandma's old F Ford, how I fell in love at a Ford truck roundup,
my most memorable F Ford moment.
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