80-96-list-digest Saturday, June 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 212



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: Ford Lost Another Customer
RE: FTE 80-96 - Ford lost another customer
Re: FTE 80-96 - Did my truck tow a lot in it's previous life?
FTE 80-96 - RE: Used Deisel Turbo
FTE 80-96 - Novice Female - New To Fords
FTE 80-96 - Finally got that Ford
FTE 80-96 - Re: Headlamp Switch
FTE 80-96 - Another E4OD Q
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford lost another customer
Re: FTE 80-96 - Finally got that Ford
Re: FTE 80-96 - Novice Female - reply...wheels/tires
Re: FTE 80-96 - Another E4OD Q
FTE 80-96 - key lock
FTE 80-96 - Tranny Fluid Change Time
FTE 80-96 - Opinions/comments requested...

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:56:51 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Ford Lost Another Customer

Ford sells more trucks than everyone else combined. They can't make them fast
enough. Consequently, the customer relations folks have an attitude problem.
They figure that they don't have to do the right thing to continue to sell
Ford trucks. And, you know what; THEY'RE RIGHT! I had a fight with Ford
Customer Relations over brake problems....but I will buy a Super Duty within
two years because I don't think I can get a better truck from anyone else.
Believe me, if I could punish Ford for the way they treated me, I would. But
I'm not going to punish myself by buying a lesser product just because I'm
annoyed with Ford. Just my .02, Butch Davis-
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:04:09 -0600
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Ford lost another customer

A friend of mine owns a 1996 Blazer that developed a peeling problem.
Chevy claimed acid spotting from bird droppings and wasn't their fault,
but he has taken good care of it and had it garaged much of the time.
After jumping through hoops with regional management, he got them to
repaint the truck. It began peeling again, but in huge sections.
According to the paint manufacturer's analysis, the dealer had not done
any prep work before painting. He is still going through arbitration to
get it corrected, about a year and a half later.

Dave
Denver, CO


> -----Original Message-----
> From:bmrickman juno.com [SMTP:bmrickman juno.com]
> Sent:Thursday, June 11, 1998 5:15 PM
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford lost another customer
>
> On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:08:15 -0600 "Smeins, Larry"
> writes:
> >A good friend just sent an e-mail announcing he'd taken delivery on a
>
> >98 Chev 2500. This friend had a 91 F-150 that he bought after asking
> me
> >about what truck I recommended. I recommended a Ford. He owned a
> >Chev at the time, as I did. About the time the warranty ran out on
> his
> >Ford the paint started flaking off of the hood. He got the standard
> reply
> >when he asked Ford to stand behind their paint. He was very pleased
> >with his Ford but was bitter over the paint issue. He was ready to
> >get a new Ford when he saw a post on a Ford list, it may have been
> this
> >one, that related Ford attributing peeling paint on a newer model to
> acid
> >rain. He decided Ford still hadn't gotten their act together on
> >customer service and voted with his dollars. I wonder how many
> >customers Ford has lost over their lack of acknowledgement of an
> >obvious defect in workmanship.
> >
> >Larry
> >
> I think that if you are going to value customer service over the
> product
> then you should not even consider what product you are buying anyway.
> But
> when it's my money being spent, I'll go for something that will stand
> on
> its own and not have to rely on the current policies of some (or any)
> huge company. That is probably why I'll never buy another new
> car ruck
> again, for me its not worth it.
> As far as the paint goes, I'm sure that everyone has seen the GM
> cars/trucks that have paint peeling from the front of the hood to the
> back of the roof. Why do we see THESE cars/trucks if GM is such a
> saint
> that they will repaint thier stuff?!! That fact alone should kill an
> argument that GM is better than Ford on thier paint warranty. You say
> your friend was happy with his truck but not with the paint, I hope
> that
> he does not view his wife in the same way.
>
> Brian Rickman bmrickman juno.com
> 91 Explorer 4X4 EB AOD
> 81 F100 2wd 351w AOD
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:36:50 -0500
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Did my truck tow a lot in it's previous life?

Audian,

I have the same model, but a '95. Mine has the AODE automatic, but trucks were
built (at least that year) with both the AODE and E4OD.

I bought mine new, and have the same shift characteristics. I have never towed
anything with it. I have 33K miles on it now, and the good news is that its
lousy shift quality hasn't degraded any.

I contacted the guy on "the drivetrain page", and he said there's nothing to be
done for the AODE in the way of a shift kit or "interceptor"-type product. He
said that he sees a lot of these (AODE) trans give up at around 40K miles.

I believe that he recommended the "Interceptor" for the E4OD trans, so if you're
lucky enough to have one, there's hope.

By the way, if you do have an AODE, they were fitted to Mustangs as well.
There's TONS of aftermarket stuff for Mustangs (including their AODE
transmissions). I would guess that if there's someone who can build an AODE to
take a Mustang through a 11 second quarter-mile, they ought to be able to make
one strong enough for a truck.

I'm driving mine 'till it smokes.

Audian Paxson wrote:

> I just bought a 91 F150XLT xt-cab with the 5.0 V8. While taking my brother
> for a ride yesterday he asked me if the person that owned it before me did a
> lot of towing with it? I said I don't know, how would I? He asked if the
> transmission is ever sluggish or hesitant to change gears promptly and
> smoothly.
>
> Well it does, usually from 1st>2nd or 2nd>3rd depending on speed and rate of
> acceleration. Is this bad? It is irritating I know that. Is it expensive to
> correct?



- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:29:18 -0700
From: Steve Faust
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Used Deisel Turbo

After a little research including comments from this list, I am
considering putting a turbo unit on my '88 4x4 F-250 w/ the 7.3 Diesel
(C6 and 4:10 gears). Question is, does anyone know about or have
experience with trying to pick up a late model Ford turbo unit from a
bone yard and installing on an older engine (like mine)? Since the Ford
unit is essentially the same as the ATS aftermarket (with a few
restrictions, that I could update) can I pull one and install it on my
rig? What would I need to look for, watch out for etc -- is it really a
possibility? I'm obviously trying to save a few $$, but don't want to
jeadordize my truck in the process.

Steve
'88 F-250 (7.3 4x4 Supercab)
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:21:28 -0500
From: Elizabeth Alleruzzo
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Novice Female - New To Fords

Apologize in advance for a long post and easy (for all of you)
questions. Please feel free to post answers off-list if not appropriate
for everyone.

First of all, thanks to all for basic advice on my first post a month
ago. Let me tell you that I am new to this mechanical thing but I am
reading all your posts, looking up in the manual all the stuff you guys
talk about (about most of which I hadn't a clue), and learning about it
as I go. I have a 1980 F250 Custom,2WD, V8, 351M, 83K miles, 8.75R16.5
tires (8 lug), single cab, 8' bed, - seems that everything on this truck
is barebones original stock so I have been busy replacing everything I,
or my brother, could do without taking it into an expensive shop. So
far, it has all new hoses, belts, plugs, plug wires, distributor cap,
vaccuum hoses, radiator cleaned, thermostat, brakes, all filters, oil,
fuses and rebuilt carb. It is running so much better than when I got it
six months ago but I still feel a slight hesitation, like it's just
barely "missing" sometimes. And then, if running errands in town,
sometimes it won't start right away, have to turn it over several times
before it "catches" - starter sounds strong but engine just won't turn
over until about the 4th. or 5th. try. What do I look for next? Since I
have limited funds, I really need to investigate all cheap alternatives
before budgeting for any high $ jobs. Have I done everything I can do in
the home garage, considering my limited knowledge?

TIRES/WHEELS/SHOCKS:
I had said in my first post that I was considering going to 16" wheels
as the tires seemed to be more available in that size. Now, after having
checked the hundreds of ads( there are tons of tire/wheel shops in
So.Cal) in the local papers, I'm confused! First of all, I definitely
want the widest, highest tires appropriate for my driving habits -
during a typical month: 50% street - 20 to 40 miles per day, 25% long
distance hwy - 600 to 1,000 miles, 25% desert and mountain dirt roads
(camping,fishing, rock & fossil hunting). What brands are good? What
price range is acceptable? What the heck does "load range" D (or any
other letter) mean? Is my truck considered a "Light Truck"? What about
all-terrain tires? Salesmen in tire shops tell me so many different
stories about the same type of tires that I don't know what to believe -
I know it's because I'm a woman and truly don't know enough to make an
informed decision so I'm asking to be educated! Exactly what do all the
numbers on the tires mean, anyway? Don't need any lift kits - I'm petite
and already feel like I need a ladder to get into the thing (but sure do
love the monster!).

What size wheels should I be looking for? I don't need anything fancy,
just good and sturdy - truck gets real dirty and has to take rocky, dirt
roads.

Obvious that I need all new shocks - whose are good? What if I want to
put an 8' slide-in camper on it? What about all those ads for extra leaf
springs, special bushings (thanks for telling me about bushings in
earlier post - definitely falling apart and need replacing), load
supports - something I need or just luxury parts for later? I can save
up for what I need as long as I can get a feel for what I should have to
get this truck into top condition.

FLUIDS:
Transmission and brake fluids - can I change myself if I get detailed
instructions or should I have a shop do it? How often?

ELECTRICAL:
What should I know about it? What does it control? This truck has no air
and only an old radio (so far). Would it be easy to determine where any
electrical problems would be or an expensive job? Lot of wires seem to
be wrapped with electrical tape - original or "mickey mouse"
electronics?

Well, just a FEW questions! Hope you don't mind. Thanks in advance for
all suggestions,

Liz Alleruzzo
"Lovin my Big Blue"

PS: Would be fun to meet some of you at Disneyland in October!





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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:49:08 -0700
From: "Rick Buchanan"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Finally got that Ford

Hi All,

Well it happened, after 14 years of driving the same little ol Mazda =
pickup it was time for it to go out to the pasture. I finally got my Ford =
and shes a beauty. 1992 F150 Flareside SuperCab 4 Wheel drive, Custom =
wheels and tires, bedliner, camper shell, A/C, tinted windows, aftermarket =
stereo, alarm!!!!. Man oh Man I love this truck.

Now for the question, and please excuse me if this is to basic. The =
performance of my truck is great, it will just nail you to the seat if =
you need it to. I beleive that it has a 351 motor in it. But the person =
that sold me the truck swears up and down that its a 460. According to =
the VIN number its a 351. Finally got that Ford, finally got around to =
the question. Is there a way (for a novice) to look at the motor and =
determine its size other than looking at the valve cover? Please be =
gentle, new to the list and Ford trucks.

See Ya
Rick Buchanan
92 F150 4X4

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:50:36 -0500
From: "Jram"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Headlamp Switch

As far as the headlamp switch no turning on the park lamps, check the fuse.
I know it sounds simple but check you park lamp fuse. If it is blown, and
you get the switch in just the right place to turn on the park lamps, you
are shorting the headlamp circuit to the park lamp circuit inside of the
headlamp switch which will melt the switch and wiring. I have seen it
happen many times. Fuse number 4 in the instrument panel fuse panel. Dont
forget to check th simple stuff.
jram swbell.net



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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:10:12 -0400
From: "Mark H. Neblett"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Another E4OD Q

Anyone with this experience? After a *real* heavy rain, the E4OD on my
'94 F-150 (4x4 SC 351W) shifts *very* hard for a couple of days --
neck-snapping hard, even with a feather-light foot on the throttle. I'm
guessing that water is getting into the solenoid pack connector and shorting
the control pressure solenoid wire so that the control pressure stays high
all the time (at least until it dries out).

Anyone else experience anything similar? If so, what was your fix? I was
thinking of trying to find and apply some of that "liquid electrical tape"
I've heard about to cover the connector, but I don't know whether it would
stand the heat (the exhaust cat is just on the other side of a heat shield a
few inches away).

TIA

Mark Neblett

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:28:05 -0700
From: Don Shrader
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford lost another customer

80-96-list-digest wrote:
>
> 80-96-list-digest Friday, June 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 211
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:08:15 -0600
> From: "Smeins, Larry"
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford lost another customer
>
> A good friend just sent an e-mail announcing he'd taken delivery on a 98
> Chev 2500. This friend had a 91 F-150 that he bought after asking me
> about what truck I recommended. I recommended a Ford. He owned a Chev
> at the time, as I did. About the time the warranty ran out on his Ford
> the paint started flaking off of the hood. He got the standard reply
> when he asked Ford to stand behind their paint. He was very pleased
> with his Ford but was bitter over the paint issue. He was ready to get
> a new Ford when he saw a post on a Ford list, it may have been this one,
> that related Ford attributing peeling paint on a newer model to acid
> rain. He decided Ford still hadn't gotten their act together on
> customer service and voted with his dollars. I wonder how many
> customers Ford has lost over their lack of acknowledgement of an obvious
> defect in workmanship.
>

Larry,

I bought a new 87 Lariat Super Cab and around 91-92 the paint started
flaking off. Not just the top but sides too. I read in Wall Street
Journal that Ford had lost a class action suit and were repainting the
vehicles with bad paint jobs. The paint was not the problem, it was the
primer. GM and others apparently used the same junk as primer for a
while with the same results. The test to see if you got a new paint job
(they strip the vehicle to bare metal and reprimer and repaint) is to
place a piece of masking tape on the paint, pull it off and if paint
flakes off you need paint. It has to fail on the sides as well as top
and hood. MINE DID. This was done in 1994, count the years.....my
truck was 7 years old and I got a $2,500 repaint! Of course this was
only offered to the original owner of the truck also.

I guess it boils down to knowing your rights and putting your case
before the right people at the right time. I feel Ford did a better job
of repainting trucks than the other mfgs (2 or 3 million bucks worth),
and NO I am not an employee or stockholder. I own GM stock but anything
but a Ford truck is just junk (IMHO).

I am saddened by my recent loss of this great truck to a mindless
accident, but it did it's last piece of work well. I only broke a hand
even though it was a head on (the mindless one pulled into my lane)
collision at 50 MPH for each vehicle and both were totaled out.

I too am sick of the prices (mostly due to popularity IMHO) of new
trucks and have had to buy a 3 year old philly to replace my faithful
87. I am VERY Happy with it though! Just can't afford to buy new any
more.

Don Shrader
95 F150 Flareside
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:08:17 EDT
From: Logerman aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Finally got that Ford

hope its a V8
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:50:27 EDT
From: FSTFORDS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Novice Female - reply...wheels/tires

what you need is an all-terrain tire the size needs to be a

LT245/75/16 on a 16x7" wheel

I would suggest this because it will bring your RPM down a little and fit very
well with your truck.

Michael long
discount tire co. asst. manager
Lacey, WA store WAS 12
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:57:36 EDT
From: FSTFORDS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Another E4OD Q

mother nature gives you a free shift kit and you bitch about it....

m. long
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:46:48 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - key lock

The little weather stopper on my driver side key lock is stuck in the "open
to the rain" posistion. I have tried a liquid wrench and some wd, and also
dug around with a paper clip, but can't get the little bugger back to
keeping the water out, any ideas, suggestions?

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:18:08 EDT
From: FordboyDZ aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tranny Fluid Change Time

Hi Listers,
Put one of those B&M shift+ boxes on my E4OD last
weekend. This thing turned the slushbox into a NASCAR
Supertruck.My Son and I took it for a test drive after the install
(also cut out the restricters in the intake ducts (460) and it actually
chirps the tires between shiftsYEEEEEHAAAAA! SUPER RACE MODE!
But getting back to the point it's time for a tranny fluid change and I'm
thinking of trying B&M Trick Shift fluid. Has anyone ever used this stuff
and how did it work for you? Also should I use it in the T case (1356)?
Thanks for your help,
Dave Zarnesky
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:17:22 -0400
From: "THE PAVIES'"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Opinions/comments requested...

*Hey guys, this is irrelevant to the 80-96 FTE list here but I am
*looking for comments about a 95 Ford Aspire that I am thinking of
*buying for my daughter when she goes to college. This car has 39K on it
*and the guy is asking $3500 for it. It has no power anything and no air
*conditioning. When you look in the engine compartment all you see is an
*engine - thats a welcome sight these days! Anyway, was wondering if
*anyone here has had any experience with the Aspire, it's 1.3L engine,
*or it's true manufacturer, KIA-? The price seems pretty good when I....


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