80-96-list-digest Wednesday, June 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 209



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
FTE 80-96 - RE: Synthetic swap
RE: FTE 80-96 - 86 F250 4x4 Cam Bearing spin
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
FTE 80-96 - Live axle front ends
FTE 80-96 - Ranger performance
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ranger performance
FTE 80-96 - RE: transmission coolers
FTE 80-96 - RE: 7.3 Diesel Enhancement & O/U Drive
FTE 80-96 - RE: 7.3 Enigne Enhancements
FTE 80-96 - Update on the California Get Together.
FTE 80-96 - Re: '96 F-250
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: '96 F-250
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
FTE 80-96 - '91 F-150 6cyl
Re: FTE 80-96 - Lubricants
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: AIR pumps
Re: FTE 80-96 - nice little poem
Re: FTE 80-96 - A/C Woes
Re: FTE 80-96 - '91 F-150 6cyl
FTE 80-96 - RE: 7.3L Enhancements
Re: FTE 80-96 - '91 F-150 6cyl

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:08:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ben Havens
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:15:49 -0600
> From: Ryan Dorman
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
>
> Check again.
>
> Chad Royse wrote:
>
> > Hey man,
> > Relax, I'm not trying to slap you around. I'm merely saying, I think the 97 HD's
> > have a twin I-beam front end as well. Ok?
> >
> > Chad

I'm new here and don't want to step on any toes, but at the risk of
getting clobbered by Mr. Dorman: 1997 F250s, HD or not, did come with
I-beam/TTB front ends. They've had it since '80 (right?) right up until
the new Super Duty style pickups (which are bad-ass IMHO), whatever model
year they are. (99?) The only Ford with a solid front axle in '97 was
the 350. Isn't this common knowledge?? (on a Ford truck list! :)

>
> So sue me...
>
> > PS Your last post was on Friday, I replied to it monday. That's four days short of a
> > week. Just a FYI.

Careful, your attitude is showing :)

Ben Havens
bhavens online.emich.edu


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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:28:16 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

Wow you got a poor attitude. Anyway, nobody sneaked into my garage last night and welded
my my front-end into one solid axle. I think a truck of this side could benefit from a
solid front axle, though. Apparently Ford thought so too, being as the 99 F250 SD has
one. I was also talking (e-mailing) with some people, one of which has a 95 F250 4x4 PS.
I don't know this first hand, admittedly, but he said his 95 is a twin I-beam as well.

Does anyone on the list know how far back the Twin I-Beam suspension goes back for the 250
HD 4x4's? I'm curious now. I though maybe it was just a '97 thing. But apparently the
F250HD's haven't had a solid front axle in a while.

Chad

Ryan Dorman wrote:

> Check again.
>
> So sue me...
>
> > PS Your last post was on Friday, I replied to it monday. That's four days short of a
> > week. Just a FYI.
>



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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:48:46 -0600
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Synthetic swap

Casey,
Mobil 1 was tested in Alaska during its development. One of its design
goals was better low temp performance. I knew a guy that was involved
in the testing of Mobil 1 in Alaska. The tests were run on Plymouth V8s
in the early 60s and he said that at the 40,000 mile tear down the hone
marks were still visible on the cylinder walls. Agreed Mobil 1 is
pricey, slightly less than $4.00/qt., but I double the factory change
mileage when using it which balances out the higher cost. You will find
those that disagree with me on the extended changes but it works for me.
I presently have two gas engines with Mobil 1, one has 300k miles on it
and the other 220k. Neither has had any internal engine repair. The
220k car needs no additional oil between 12k changes and the 300k car
burns about 1 qt/2k. Both cars were purchased used at about 60k and
switched to Mobil 1. If your truck does not burn oil at a rate that
makes adding between changes overly expensive with Mobil 1 I recommend
using it. The extended and stable viscosity range of synthetic will be
an advantage in your severe weather.

I don't use synthetic in my diesel. Mobil 1 is not rated to the level
my Powerstroke requires and I don't think synthetic diesel oil will
negate the effects of carbon build up in the oil so extended changes
become questionable. Diesels are different than gas engines.


Larry

>Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:39:47 -0800
>From: "Casey Vandor"
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Synthetic swap

>I finally did go to town and look at the cost of swithching to Mobil
One for
>Fairbanks this year. It was extremely expensive. I was told at NAPA
that
>5W-30 non-synthetic would do fine for my truck up there in the winter.
>Would it do ok, or should I go all out and get the synthetic? BTW
since I
>never have used synthetic, would I get 5W-30 in the synthetic or a
straight
>winter rating like 20?? Don't know anything about synthetics....
obvioulsly

>Thanks
>Casey

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:55:25 -0700
From: Michael Wray
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 86 F250 4x4 Cam Bearing spin

OK..... I would probably buy the Ford version of the Suburban... But
1) I cannot afford new vehicle Fords prices
2) I have yet to see one. :(

Don't get me wrong.... If it was just me and not the bunch of us.... I
would be sticking with my F250. :) But I need the room for the family.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Christian J. Hedemark II [SMTP:chris yonderway.com]
>
> I think you're looking at this from the wrong perspective; God was
> trying to stop you from making a terrible mistake by trading your Ford
> in on a Ch*vy. :)
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:20:52 -0500
From: Noel & Inga Hupe
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

hi there,
i'm looking for a web site that has info regarding 1988 ford econoline
350....conversion van would be nice..thanks, Noel



At 10:28 AM 6/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Wow you got a poor attitude. Anyway, nobody sneaked into my garage last
night and welded
>my my front-end into one solid axle. I think a truck of this side could
benefit from a
>solid front axle, though. Apparently Ford thought so too, being as the 99
F250 SD has
>one. I was also talking (e-mailing) with some people, one of which has a
95 F250 4x4 PS.
>I don't know this first hand, admittedly, but he said his 95 is a twin
I-beam as well.
>
>Does anyone on the list know how far back the Twin I-Beam suspension goes
back for the 250
>HD 4x4's? I'm curious now. I though maybe it was just a '97 thing. But
apparently the
>F250HD's haven't had a solid front axle in a while.
>
>Chad
>
>Ryan Dorman wrote:
>
>> Check again.
>>
>> So sue me...
>>
>> > PS Your last post was on Friday, I replied to it monday. That's four
days short of a
>> > week. Just a FYI.
>>
>
>
>
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>

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:43:01 -0600
From: Dave Mcdonald
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

Well, I have a '90 F250HD and it doesn't have a solid front end, although it might if I ever
get the $$$ :)

Dave McDonald


Chad Royse wrote:

> Wow you got a poor attitude. Anyway, nobody sneaked into my garage last night and welded
> my my front-end into one solid axle. I think a truck of this side could benefit from a
> solid front axle, though. Apparently Ford thought so too, being as the 99 F250 SD has
> one. I was also talking (e-mailing) with some people, one of which has a 95 F250 4x4 PS.
> I don't know this first hand, admittedly, but he said his 95 is a twin I-beam as well.
>
> Does anyone on the list know how far back the Twin I-Beam suspension goes back for the 250
> HD 4x4's? I'm curious now. I though maybe it was just a '97 thing. But apparently the
> F250HD's haven't had a solid front axle in a while.
>
> Chad



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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:17:51 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Live axle front ends

>From: Ryan Dorman
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
>
>Check again.

Yo Ryan, Chad, et al:

>From 1980 to 1997, all F250 4x4s were equipped w/ the TTB front end, both
standard and HD models, regular cab, Supercab, and even the 96-97 crew
cabs. The only Ford 4x4 trucks factory-equipped w/ a live axle front
suspension after 1980 were F350s from 1986 to 1997 model years.

The only front suspension option available from the factory from 1992 to
1997 was the "heavy duty" spring set (included in some Snow Plow option
packages) for both TTB F250s and live axle F350s with regular cab. The
"heavy duty" front suspension option was not available w/ Supercab or crew
cab trucks. The "heavy duty" suspension option increased the front axle
weight rating by 500 lbs, for both TTB and live axle, and it was separate
from the vehicle's overall HD weight rating. That is, you could get an
F250 HD (or F350) regular cab w/out the "heavy duty" front suspension.

If you have seen any late model F250 before the 1999 Super Duty w/ a live
axle front end, it was a conversion, not a factory option (or it may just
be some wise guy w/ an F250 badge on an F350!).

All of the new 1999 Super Duty 4x4 trucks, F250-up, are equipped w/ live
axle front suspensions.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:51:17 EDT
From: Natedog199 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ranger performance

I'm looking for some information on headers and performance parts for Rangers.
Someone posted a listing about headers for a 3.0 V6 awhile back. I want to
know who makes them and how to contact them.
Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:24:21 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ranger performance

JBA and Borla (cat back) are both available for your rig

Bob

At 12:51 PM 6/10/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I'm looking for some information on headers and performance parts for
Rangers.
>Someone posted a listing about headers for a 3.0 V6 awhile back. I want to
>know who makes them and how to contact them.
>Any information would be appreciated.
>Thanks
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:13:02 -0500
From: m-sands juno.com (mike sands)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: transmission coolers

Any recommendations / advice on transmission coolers for a 92 F150 with
E40D ?
Thanks

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:22:02 -0700
From: Steve Faust
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: 7.3 Diesel Enhancement & O/U Drive

> Pete:
>
> Sounds like my situation... Bought my '88 F250 4x4 (Supercab, longbed)
> from a buddy in OR. I've been getting about 13 mpg but I do use the
> truck as a daily driver on the freeway a lot, and yep turns around
> 3000 at 65-70 mph (you know this is killing the mileage). If I could
> get it down around 2000 or so on the freeway I'm sure fuel consumption
> and engine wear would be greatly improved.
>
> Given what I've learned I want to stay with the C6 because it is such
> a 'bullet proof' tranny (probably the best Ford used) which leads me
> to using a Over/Under Drive unit. At this point I am pretty much sold
> on the Gear Vendors O/U Drive setup, I've been looking at it since I
> bought the truck in '96 just haven't bitten the bullet yet (probably
> later this summer -- need to replace the sagging front suspension
> first). Their model 3D1356 unit is designed for 4x4 Fords with the BW
> 1356 transfer case (which ours have). Here is what their Spec Sheet
> says:
>
> 3D1356 BW 1356 Transfer Case with slip yoke
> Replaces 6-3/4" tail
> for '87 and newer Ford pickups with either C6, T-19 or ZF
> transmission
>
> When I called the guys a Gear Vendors to talk about it they said that
> I could come down and test drive one of their trucks that has the unit
> installed on it to see how it really handles on the road (I live only
> about 30 minutes form them here in the San Diego area). I am planning
> on doing it this summer when I'm closer to being ready to do
> something.
>
> My post was really a function of thinking that I should at least look
> at an air ram and/or turbo unit as additional option for increasing
> mpg. By the way I did talk to a guy at Banks yesterday (calling ATS
> today) and their Sidewinder Turbo unit sound great, but again $$$$$
> -- rather spent the money on the O/U unit first then might revisit.
> Might still consider upgrading air intake system depending on cost.
> The more air the better on these rigs.
>
Any different info / ideas.

> Steve Faust
'88 F-250






> -----Original Message-----
> From:Pete Kraus [SMTP:Pete_Kraus Emory.Org]
> Sent:Tuesday, June 09, 1998 3:25 PM
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Cc:Steve Faust
> Subject:7.3 Diesel Enhancement
>
> Steve Faust is
>
> >. . . Looking for some input from anyone who has experience enhancing
> the 7.3 ltr. Diesel . . .
>
> So am I, but from a slightly different perspective. I'm not
> particularly interested in going the turbo route with my '89 F250 4x4,
> but I'd like to reduce the utterly needless highway revs at highway
> speeds. The 7.3's maximum torque rating occurs at something like 1400
> rpm. I'm running over 3000 at 65 mph, thanks to the non-overdrive but
> otherwise gutsy C6 automatic and 4.10 gears.
>
> A 5-speed manual would have avoided the problem, but I bought the
> beast used. Has anyone successfully installed an aftermarket
> overdrive unit with this drivetrain? I looked into the matter briefly
> some years ago and was told by a transmission shop that there wasn't
> enough room to fit one (maybe because of the transfer case?).
>
> Steve, what sort of fuel mileage are you currently getting? I average
> around 15mpg, not disgraceful for such a big, heavy vehicle, but I
> think it could do better with proper gearing.
>
> Pete
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:35:25 -0700
From: Steve Faust
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: 7.3 Enigne Enhancements

Jack P. wrote:
> Try asking that question at the Ford Diesel site:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://abol.com./users/jlester/ .
> Also, do you know about cavitation erosion? Let me know if you don't

Thanks Jack I'll run it by the Ford site. I've heard a bit about
cavitation erosion, but would like to learn more about it and the look
for / do to prevent if possible. Thanks.

Steve Faust
'88 F-250 (7.3 4x4 Supercab)


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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:40:17 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Update on the California Get Together.

Hello List Members.

I am sending this update on the CA Get together to all of the lists.

First I would like to thank Pat Brown for taking the time to research, and
send me a list of possible activities.

This list was forwarded to Deacon, (from the 61-79 List, who lives in CA).
Deacon spent a lot of time researching Pat's list, and searching for other
activities we could attend. Unfortunately Deacon did not find much for
Truck related events. Most of them were for cars. So Deacon sent me the
following message.

Deacon Message to Keith

Hi Keith.
Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I checked out the places
Pat suggested and though some of the ones that weren't just Mustang related
looked like fun, none of them were truck related. I tried to look at it
objectively because I didn't want to reject an idea because it wasn't in
So. Ca. and I don't think I did. If there was a Harley show, sure you and I
would have a blast but would anyone else. So no matter what the event some
of the people would come just to meet with other members. If the event had
nothing to do for a family no ones wife or kids would want to come with
them. I looked for something with it in mind, if there wasn't something
that was Ford truck or American truck related that was big enough to get
and keep people interested it wouldn't be worth doing. I tried to find a
west coast Ford Nat's and there isn't anything to compare with PF in
California. I was at my wits end and ready to throw in the towel. It had
been 2 days and knew I had
to send you something or you might think I'd lost interest in helping. Last
night I gave in, there was nothing happening I thought would be the right
environment for our west coast get together. Not wanting to give in, this
morning I sat here in front of my computer ready to send you one of two
messages "I've got it" or "I give up" so here it is.
I've got it! :) FTE's Weekend at Disneyland! There's an airport with
shuttle service, hotels, dining, things to keep a family happy and plenty
of local attractions to get us in trouble. We can plan it so it doesn't
conflict with PF or other holidays. We can and make our own day. It can be
"FTE's annual weekend at Disneyland" so people can make plans.

End of Deacon's Message to Keith

I know some of you will say, "What does going to Disneyland have to do with
Ford Trucks." For one, I am sure some of the list members will be able to
drive to Disneyland. This would give us a close-up look at some of their
modifications to their Trucks. After attending the show in Pigeon Forge, I
am confident that the simple fact of meeting some of these people face to
face, would also include a lot of Truck talk. This would also give us
time to socialize a little with each other and discuss other topics as
well, one being, what else could we do to make the list more enjoyable and
useful for everyone. What it takes to brew beer at home, (one of the list
members, that I talk to off list, has a very nice setup for brewing beer at
home). I am sure there are other list members that converse off list about
different things.

Now, as far as when to have this get together. I am going to pick a
weekend. October 3rd and 4th. Now I know some of you may not be able to
make it this weekend. But that is going to happen no matter what weekend
this event is planned for. This is similar to what Pat Ford does with the
Pigeon Forge show, He picks a weekend, and everybody plans around it.

More details about the get together will follow later.

Now if anyone has any complaints or comments, please send them to me off
list. My Email Address is herbie netvalue.net

I would also like to thank Deacon and Ken for their help with this.

Thanks!

Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:51:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Randall Wer
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: '96 F-250

I have a friend that is trying to find a new p/u. He is looking at one
now that is a '96 F-250 XLT 4x4, Powerstroke, with a 4-spd auto, it has
27,000 miles. He bargined them down to $20,400. What do you guys think?
It is in perfect condition.

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:54:30 EDT
From: Justchev aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: '96 F-250

That is one hell of a deal i would go for it for that price no doubt about it
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:02:48 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

Hey man,
Relax, I'm not trying to slap you around. I'm merely saying, I think
the 97 HD's> have a twin I-beam front end as well.

This argument is going to go on for ever. I am not going to say that 97
H/D don't come with a straight axle but I am going to say that I know
for a fact that they do come with twin I beams...my next door neighboor
has one. Great truck but it does not have a solid straight axle!
Lets stop arguing
Chris
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:32:58 PDT
From: "Joe Lewis"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '91 F-150 6cyl

Hello, maybe someone out there can help me. I'm new to this and am not
100% sure I'm doing this correctly. I have a F-150 with an electrical
problem. The battery keeps draining as if there were an open circuit
somewhere. My question is : To anyones knowledge, is there a common
thing, or things that go wrong electrically on that year and model
truck? I know the battery as well as the alternator are good. It has a
factory installed alarm. I am thinking it may have something to do with
it, but am not sure. Before I take it to someone and have it scoped I
was hoping to gain some knowledge from you folks out there. Thankyou.
Joe.

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:27:10 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Lubricants

Would that be "Lubri-plate #107 or equivelant?"
- -it's a mold design engineer thing-
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Jim Cannon wrote:
>
> Lubriplate.
>
> Jon wrote:
> "What's a good, less expensive substitute for "Ford Long Life
> Lubricant"?
> It'll be used for lubing the automatic transmission linkage on my '94
> F-150."
>
> --
>
> Jim Cannon
> Houston, Texas
>
> Listen to "Car Talk" on National Public Radio
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.cartalk.com/
> "Celebrating 10 Years of Bad Car Advice"
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:35:36 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

Chad Royse wrote:
>
[snip]

> Does anyone on the list know how far back the Twin I-Beam suspension goes back for the 250
> HD 4x4's? I'm curious now. I though maybe it was just a '97 thing. But apparently the
> F250HD's haven't had a solid front axle in a while.
>
> Chad

[snip]

The TTB (Twin-Traction Beam) Front end came on F-250's since 1980 AND
on F-350's from 1980 until 1985 (I think that was the last year, maybe
86). The F-150's had Dana 44's, the regular duty F-250's had Dana
44HD's and the F-250HD's had Dana 50's to the best of my knowledge
anyway. I have always wanted to swap in a Dana 60 (which is what was
on the F-350s had from '86 until '96 at least) in place of my TTB Dana
50, but they are hard to find and expensive when you do. I don't
think my truck would (could) ride any stiffer w/a solid axle so I
never really saw Fords' point here and it makes a lift d*mn
expensive. I don't know much about the '97's but I heard that Ford
had problems fitting the IFS front end under the new design.
Later,
Randy (Brew)
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:45:09 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: AIR pumps

Walt,
Thanks, but MY truck is running just fine, I just wanted to know about
the A.I.R. system. So what would happen if I didn't connect the tubes
to a set of headers? Probably would fail the H.C. on the tailpipe
test, eh? What if I disconnected one of the A.I.R. pumps and
installed a shorter serpentine belt to reduce drag? Just some ideas
I'm tossing out, if anyone knows about such things, please let me
know.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Posluszny, Walt (posl) wrote:
>
> From: Randy
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Backfire Problem
>
> [snip] So how does the
> A.I.R. system help w/emissions?
> Thanks,
> Randy (Brew)
>
> RANDY,
>
> The A.I.R. pump puts ambient air(oxygen) into the exhaust manifolds right
> outside the exhaust valve ports where the exhaust gases are the hottest.
> What this does is to facilitate additional burning of any residual
> hydrocarbons that did not get completely burned in the power stroke of your
> engine. Adding the air to the remaining hydrocarbons in such a hot
> environment completes the fire triangle and continues the combustion process
> right there in the exhaust manifolds.
[snip]
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:48:14 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - nice little poem

Casey,
ROFL, I forgot all about that, your previous post said your truck
would run, run, run and then die, kinda reminded me of a Dick and Jane
book, so I came up w/that.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Casey Vandor wrote:
>
> Ive been away awhile now, just reading the posts a little bit between jobs,
> I liked the poem though.
>
> Thanks
> Casey
>
> >>>>>>>
> See Casey's truck run,
> run, run, run
> See Casey's truck die,
> die, die, die
> See Casey cry,
> cry, cry, cry
>
> :D hehe
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:53:40 -0500
From: "Shawn & Jennifer Clark"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - A/C Woes

As a first guess, perhaps the pressure switch died. Does the AC clutch
even engage, if it doesn't then it is probably that switch. My 5.0 F-150
did this last year. AC just stopped working during a trip. Of course my
wife was driving a group of ladies to a wedding in another city on a
sweltering 100 F day. Good news is that it's inexpensive and does not
require purging the system or anything like that. Good luck!

> My A/c worked one day and then crapped out the next. Is there any
relay
> that could have gone out ? There is still pressure in the system, but it
just
> blows hot air. Also, where could I get the adapter for the low side? my
> local parts store dosen't have it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Downey
> acmercg aol.com
> '92 F-150 NITE 5.0 AOD
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:15:10 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '91 F-150 6cyl

Try this with a charged battery (make take a while).
1.Disconnect the positive terminal from the battery.
2.Lightly brush the terminal to the positive post, a spark will denote a loop.
3.First go after the alarm system, remove the fuse that runs to it's power
supply. Then try 2. again.
4.If the spark is still there, remove each fuse in the fuse box one at a
time, doing step 2 after each fuse.
5.Eventually, you will not get the spark at step 2.

a poor man's circuit tester....

Bob


I have a F-150 with an electrical
>problem. The battery keeps draining as if there were an open circuit
>somewhere

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:33:23 -0700
From: Steve Faust
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: 7.3L Enhancements

Jack P. wrote:

> ...check out the Ford Diesel Site
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/ .
*
Excellent Site Jack, Thanks!! Guess I now need to add a turbo to my wish
list, this big truck is getting expensive... but hey you gotta love your
Ford!

Steve
'88 F-250 (7.3 4x4 Supercab)



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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:32:21 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '91 F-150 6cyl

- ----------
> From: Robert Kennedy

>
> Try this with a charged battery (make take a while).
> 1.Disconnect the positive terminal from the battery.
> 2.Lightly brush the terminal to the positive post, a spark will denote a
loop.
> 3.First go after the alarm system, remove the fuse that runs to it's
power
> supply. Then try 2. again.
> 4.If the spark is still there, remove each fuse in the fuse box one at a
> time, doing step 2 after each fuse.
> 5.Eventually, you will not get the spark at step 2.
>
> a poor man's circuit tester....
>


Just a word of caution here. If by chance you do have a real non-powered
circuit tester ( they are easy to make ) it would be much safer and easier
to use. Gas' that emit from batteries are highly combustible and will do so
when a spark is introduced, it's rare, but it does happen. It's easier to
use, especially for this type of troubleshooting, because you have a real
good visual reference. Disconnect the Neg Battery lead and connect the
circuit tester in series ( one lead of the tester to the neg battery
terminal and the other, sometimes a metal probe, to the now disconnected....


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