80-96-list-digest Thursday, June 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 199



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance & Changing gear ratio
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???
FTE 80-96 - Hello Again
FTE 80-96 - Catalytic converter
FTE 80-96 - How to change rear gears
FTE 80-96 - RE: Tire Preference
Re: FTE 80-96 - Catalytic converter
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hello Again
RE: FTE 80-96 - 300cid I-6 Performance? - Chad
RE: FTE 80-96 - Catalytic converter
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hello Again
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???
FTE 80-96 - Fw: auction in Pa. Big block bonanza
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hello Again
RE: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???
FTE 80-96 - I-6 300
FTE 80-96 - STAR/GEM
Re: FTE 80-96 - 82 F250 4x4 problems
FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
Re: FTE 80-96 - Please nominate Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:16:13 -0400
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance & Changing gear ratio

Geno wrote,
>At first I was just adding the intake,carb and header.
Then I find out after I got that stuff my distributor will not work with
it!!!!!!!!
It will run better than a stock V8 small block!! And it might run
forever!!!
I think I'll be pleased !!!
GENO

Geno,
What brand parts did you end up getting for your truck and why didn't
you stock distributor work with the new parts. Let me now how your truck
turns out. I'm sure you will be pleased.

Geno wrote,
>Mike in order to do it right you need to take it to a GOOD shop!!! The
gear mesh is very critical. If its not right your gears will just grind
and burn up!!!! It takes a special tool and shims and now how!!! I had
a mustang with a 8.8 rear end it had a 3.27 gear I had it changed to a
4.10. The gears cost $175.00 and installation labor was also $175.00 Is
your truck 2wd or 4 wd???????? You have a 6 cylinder to, right?
Geno,
Yes, I6 and 2wd. It sound like taking it to a shop is probably the best
choice since I've never done it before. I would hate to screw my truck
up.

Ryan wrote,
>1st off find someone who knows how to drive the 5.02nd try that race
again after they invest the amount of money in the 5.0 that you have in
your IL6...
> Everyone will get beaten sooner or later.

>I prefer later. (hence the scrapping of the IL6)
>It appears that you have never had the priveledge of driving a 292
powered truck. If you had you wouldn't have bothered to ask that. The
IL6 doesn't even come close in any aspect against a stock 292 , then get
rid of the stock exhaust, slap a factory 4barel intake and carb on it
and leave the cylinder deprived in tire smoke... rubber in 2nd,3rd,4th
with 31x10.50x15 mudders and 700 pounds worth of snowloged polaris in
the bed!!! Get a tired (150k+miles) IL6 to do that one in a 5600 pound
truck..(wont do it I've tried)
Ryan,
No I never have had the privilege of driving a 292. Just my IL6 f-150
and 4.3L s-10.
It sounds like a pretty serious truck. My not to tired 190k mile IL6
has been know to create a little smoke every once in awhile, but not
nearly as much as yours by the sound of it. I would have to agree with
you on the 5.0L statement too. I prefer later also, that's why I don't
get involved in to many races.

Mike



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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 11:00:16 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???

I think Ryan's testosterone level just went red!

Ryan Dorman wrote:

> Mike Johnson wrote:
>
> > >Why??? $2300 is enough to drop a healthy v8, 4.10 gears and a 6" lift
> > in my Bronco. Don't get me wrong but I cant wait to relegate the 300 IL6
> > in my Bronco to a dead weight for my puppy ( 96 pound 10 month old
> > malamute )... $2300 into the IL6, just to get smoked by the little puke
> > in daddy's 5.0, or worse yet
> > the ignorant Redneck (like me) with the stock (except for exhaust intake
> > and carb) 58 2wd sb with a 292...
> >
> > Why? Sure it's enough to drop in a V8, but what fun is that.
> > That I6 will probably last forever if taken good care of.
> > And a hot rod I6 looks a lot cooler than some average every day V8
> > setup. And don't forget the look in that little pukes eyes when he see
> > that him and his daddy's 5.0 just got smoked by an F-150 with an I6
> > under the hood. And those guys with their 350's, see ya later. Believe
> > me I have smoked them both.
>
> 1st off find someone who knows how to drive the 5.02nd try that race again
> after they invest the
> amount of money in the 5.0 that you have in your IL6...
>
> > Everyone will get beaten sooner or later.
>
> I prefer later. (hence the scrapping of the IL6)
>
> > Pesky stumps? Yep done that too. Ah, the best of both worlds. Can that
> > '58 do that.
>
> It appears that you have never had the priveledge of driving a 292 powered
> truck. If you had you wouldn't have bothered to ask that. The IL6 doesn't
> even come close in any aspect against a stock 292 , then get rid of the
> stock exhaust, slap a factory 4barel intake and carb on it and leave the
> cylinder deprived in tire smoke... rubber in 2nd,3rd,4th with 31x10.50x15
> mudders and 700 pounds worth of snowloged polaris in the bed!!! Get a tired
> (150k+miles) IL6
> to do that one in a 5600 pound truck..(wont do it I've tried)
>
> > I don't want to offend you or anybody else, just giving my opinion.
> >
> > Mike
> > P.S. I'll gladly give that I6 of yours a good home.
>
> It has a good home, with a future as a soloflex for my pup......
>
> --
> 58 F-100 292 sb 2wd
> 85 Bronco 300 IL6 4x4
> 97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
> (and several others in progress)
> --
> KC7YPJ, Ryan Dorman
> QTH: Victor ID, grid# DN431c
> ICQ #3834602
> kc7ypj pdt.net
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/5496



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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:47:07 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hello Again

Hey guys,
Hello again, I have been off the list since the server switch.
I was booted off, and couldn't seem to get back on until now.
Any good arguments ? :-) If I left anybody hanging from when
I got booted, then repost. Glad to be back.

I do have a question for a friend. He has a F-150 with a 302.
He is not getting any fire. What he has replaced is the ignition
module and the stator in the distributor. Is there anything else he
can check. The coil rarely goes out, but this may be a rare occassion.
Any thing else to check/replace besides the coil. Thanx guys.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:54:48 EDT
From: Croth2 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Catalytic converter

I'm thinking of replacing the exhaust on my 89 F-150 4x4 5.0 It looks like it
has two catalytic converters. I want to take the rear one off. I'm not sure
what this would do. I want to replace it with a Y pipe and run dual mufflers
out the back. There are no sensors or wiring that run into that catalytic
converter and there are none behind it. Would this screw anything up? any
ideas??-->Tim
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:05:47 -0700
From: Mark Ponsford
Subject: FTE 80-96 - How to change rear gears

>How do you go about changing the gears in a rear diff?
>Do you need any special tools? Is it fairly simple?
>What about adding a locking or limited slip diff?
>I have an '86 f-150 2wd with the stock rear end, 3.08 gears.
>I have 31x10.5 tires which are larger than the stock p235x75r15 tires.
>Thanks,
>Mike

I did some combing (Altavista) around to see if I could find a step by step
procedure on how to go about putting a new ring'n'pinion into a rearend.
This is somthing that I've been considering doing since i've got 3.08 gears
in my F150. (funny that Ford insists on putting these gears in as std. when
everyone seems to prefer 3.55s. I'm sure it's not saving them any money.
After all, these are trucks, not high speed, highway sleds) Anyways, I was
able to find a number of different pages but the one that really went into
any detail was one about putting 3.55 gears into a mustang with 8.8"
rearend.

Info can be had at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://chris.kellnet.com/chambers/mustang3.htm

cheers,


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Mark Ponsford
Phone: (250) 721-7397
Email: mponsfor uvic.ca


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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:06:07 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tire Preference

>From: Jon Berman
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-150 tire brands
>I'm looking to replace the tires on my 1994 Ford F-150, 2wd, and need
some suggestions on tire brands. I currently have 30x9.50r15 BF Goodrich
tires on it. I want to go up to a 31x10.50r15 or P265/75r15 size. I'm
looking for a combination of nice ride quality with a semi-aggressive
tread pattern (it spends about 95% of the time on pavement). Any advice
or experience on different brands with the F-150 trucks?

Jon, My personal preference are Goodyear Wranglers or B F Goodrich All
Terrains. Aggressive tread, relatively quiet on the street and I've never
gotten stuck with either. The AT's are a little cheaper too. They come in
31x10.5r15 or even 32x11.5 or 10.5 r15. I've got the former and my buddy
has the latter size. The latter look even better than mine. Walt
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:11:35 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Catalytic converter

I think that rear Cat is actually a resonator. It acts as a nother muffler.
That's why no sensors.

Bob


At 11:54 AM 6/4/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I'm thinking of replacing the exhaust on my 89 F-150 4x4 5.0 It looks
like it
>has two catalytic converters. I want to take the rear one off. I'm not sure
>what this would do.
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:15:01 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hello Again

What year 5.0? My 86 Bronco had the same problem and it turned out to be a
fuse link off a secondary lead on positive side of battery terminal. Don't
really know where it goes. Mine broke whole wheelin' and died outright. No
fire at all until I spliced it back together.

Bob


> I do have a question for a friend. He has a F-150 with a 302.
>He is not getting any fire. What he has replaced is the ignition
>module and the stator in the distributor. Is there anything else he
>can check. The coil rarely goes out, but this may be a rare occassion.
>Any thing else to check/replace besides the coil. Thanx guys.
>
>--
>Thanks,
> Rick Wojo
> '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
> '92 Mstng 5.0L
> '95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)
>
>
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:40 -0600
From: "Chad D. Cassetty"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 300cid I-6 Performance? - Chad

We don't do distributors right now, but our HP Annihiliator would be a
good setup for you. Keep in mind that our coils are
capacitive-discharge, and will not work with the stock ignition system.
You would also need our multiple-spark-discharge ignition (once again,
the HP). I don't have a spare coil, but I do have a spare HP Annihilator
I could part with for a reasonable amount. ;-)

Go here: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/IgntSyst/IgntSyst.html


Chad Cassetty, CNA/CNE
Network Administrator
Holley Performance Products
P.O. Box 10360
1801 Russellville Rd
Bowling Green, KY 42102-7360

Phone (502) 782 2900
Fax (502) 745 9590

email: chadcassetty holley.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Johnson [SMTP:80-96-list ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Wednesday 10:58 PM
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 300cid I-6 Performance? - Chad


>Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:47 -0600
>From: "Chad D. Cassetty"
>Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 300cid I-6 Performance?

>Seriously, one of the major gains in performance that I found was in
the ignition. Now, mine is EFI, also. I used our HP Annihilator
ignition and one of our LaserShot Strip coils. I didn't think to do any
track time comparisons, but the seat of the pants feeling is much
better. This, combined with a K&N FIPK, I was very pleased. With these
changes, plus dropping the truck 4/6, my 60-foot times at the track are
.001 slower than a 94 corvette. Of course, after the 60, he leaves me
in the dust! I can't remember the exact time, but I do remember that
reference.

>Chad Cassetty

Got anything that will work on an '86? I have been thinking about
getting a new distributor and coil.
Thanks,

Mike
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:12:54 -0400
From: "Chapman, David P"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Catalytic converter

Could one actually be the muffler???

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Croth2 aol.com [SMTP:Croth2 aol.com]
> Sent:Thursday, June 04, 1998 11:55 AM
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 80-96 - Catalytic converter
>
> I'm thinking of replacing the exhaust on my 89 F-150 4x4 5.0 It looks
> like it
> has two catalytic converters. I want to take the rear one off. I'm
> not sure
> what this would do. I want to replace it with a Y pipe and run dual
> mufflers
> out the back. There are no sensors or wiring that run into that
> catalytic
> converter and there are none behind it. Would this screw anything up?
> any
> ideas??-->Tim
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 13:17:57 -0500
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hello Again

Rick Wojciechowski wrote:

> Hey guys,
> Hello again, I have been off the list since the server switch.
> I was booted off, and couldn't seem to get back on until now.
> Any good arguments ? :-)

Only thing raging right now is whether or not a 300 six is better for
performance or scrap.

There are some claims to >100HP gains with headers, cam and intake with a
4bbl carb. I'd like to see the dyno results. As for comparisons to the
5.0L (302), they're about the same size, so I'd expect that you could get
comparable power out of both.

I'd like to know if anyone has ever run side-draft carbs on the 300, like
Webers or --God forbid-- SUs.

- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 13:21:56 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???

Almost as red as the face of the bowtie owner who's truck I drug around a parking
lot backwards for 5 minutes because I felt the need to add insult to injury (
bumper to bumper pulling contest ) and because I could. Or perhaps the pimple
covered face of the twit with a bug that thought it could outdig a F-150 4x4 (my
best friend purposefully added 4 inches of mud to the bug when he pulled it out
just to make the point perfectly clear. Some would call it testosterone, I call
it confidence in the knowledge that FORD RULES!!!

Chad Royse wrote:

> I think Ryan's testosterone level just went red!


- --
58 F-100 292 sb 2wd
85 Bronco 300 IL6 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
- --
KC7YPJ, Ryan Dorman
QTH: Victor ID, grid# DN431c
ICQ #3834602
kc7ypj pdt.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/5496


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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:36:25 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fw: auction in Pa. Big block bonanza

Forwarded with permission, Thought someone might get in on this, pick me up
a Lincoln while you are there.. Really

John

- ----------
> From: Chris Slaw
> Attention Big Block Shoppers!!!
> Saw an ad for Lester Smith estate auction in Schwenksville Pa.-- no
minimums,
> no reserves. Saturday 6/13 9:00am. Included in list are:
> '60 Lincoln, '64 Ford, (2) '67 Lincoln Continentals, '68 Dodge, '69
Lincoln
> Mark II, '70 Thunderbird. (28) '73-'94 Lincolns and Cads.
>
> Ad states over 180 automobiles and collector cars will be sold.
> This guy must have had a damn big garage!
>
> Contact Hunyady auctions, (800) 233-6898
>
> -CJS

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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 14:50:50 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hello Again

David J. Baldwin wrote:

> Only thing raging right now is whether or not a 300 six is better for
> performance or scrap.


Weeeeeellllllll, let me add my $0.02 here. First of all, I would not
trade my I-6 for all the Millers I could ever drink, its running good
this week. :-) Seriously, the performance I weigh my truck by is
performance off-road and out in the woods. I don't need 225 horses
when I am climbing a mud hill with a 40 degrees incline or crawling
over boulders or maneauvering washed out ruts. I myself have
different applications as to what performance should be measured
by. Now, on the road its a whoooooolllllllleeee nother ball game.
And I'll leave that to the motor heads. :-)

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:36:32 -0500
From: John Cassis
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???

You might be a redneck if.......

- -----Original Message-----
From:Ryan Dorman [SMTP:kc7ypj pdt.net]
Sent:Thursday, June 04, 1998 2:22 PM
To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???

Almost as red as the face of the bowtie owner who's truck I drug around a parking
lot backwards for 5 minutes because I felt the need to add insult to injury (
bumper to bumper pulling contest ) and because I could. Or perhaps the pimple
covered face of the twit with a bug that thought it could outdig a F-150 4x4 (my
best friend purposefully added 4 inches of mud to the bug when he pulled it out
just to make the point perfectly clear. Some would call it testosterone, I call
it confidence in the knowledge that FORD RULES!!!

Chad Royse wrote:

> I think Ryan's testosterone level just went red!


- --
58 F-100 292 sb 2wd
85 Bronco 300 IL6 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
- --
KC7YPJ, Ryan Dorman
QTH: Victor ID, grid# DN431c
ICQ #3834602
kc7ypj pdt.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/5496


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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:30:17 +0000
From: punk007 juno.com (Mason D)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - I-6 300

I have a 86 F-150 with a I-6 in it. I just bought it for $300, and it
looks like the guy didn't take to good of care with it. This is my first
vehical. There is a sound comming from the carburetor area. It sounds
like a vacuum hose or something. I checked everything, and no holes. Is
this normal? Another thing, where can I get a schematic? It looks like
I'm gonna have to rewire some of it.

Mason

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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:55:06 -0400
From: Claude King
Subject: FTE 80-96 - STAR/GEM

What sort of diagnostic tester am I going to need to talk to the computers in the new Fords.

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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:59:53 EDT
From: PhilDyson aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 82 F250 4x4 problems

Hard shifting is a very common problem with new process transfer cases. I've
owned 4 of them since 1980 and they all had the problem or soon developed it.
Trying to "gorilla" it into and out of the 3 ranges can bend the shifter
forks. The fork pads (or are they called dogs) can wear too. Anyway, if the
forks don't pull evenly on both sides of the sliding clutch it can bind on the
rear output shaft. It has a spring to assist it's movement (high/low) but it
may not always work. For me, once I get it into 4X4, I have no probs with
range changes. Only into and out of 4x4 give me grief. If jiggeling won't do
it turning off the engine always works.
Mine also grinds if I try shifting it in any direction with the tranny in
neutral or drive, I believe all do. Never shift it unless stopped in park.
The tranny will grind if you pop it into drive while the x-fer case is in
neutral and try to put it back in park.
I rebuilt mine after a retaining ring popped off leaving me with no high
range in 2 or 4 wheel drive. I replaced several parts and the shift forks
too. It shifted great for about 1 year and went back to hard shifting. That
was 3 years ago.
Unless you need 4x4 everyday and more than once per day I wouldn't waste the
time or money fixing it. You will eventually have to change the front chain
anyway so hold off till then.
Phil

In a message dated 98-06-01 12:32:22 EDT, toddrpm writes:
>Snip

put the truck in 4-low. I could not get the truck shifted into any drive gear
after I pulled it out of 2H. Grind, Grind, Grind. If I shut the truck off,
put it into Park, I could put the truck in any 4x4 mode I wanted, then turned
truck on and away I went, I just couldn't shift it while truck was running,
in
neutral of course. Any ideas what causes the transfer case to grind? Thanks.
toddrpm aol.com >>
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:18:22 EDT
From: MillrBeer aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

hey-on my 95 Bronco I was wondering in it was worth it to put the same mods
that went in to the Lightning or trying something different? I thought that
Lightning intake would look a whole lot prettier in there, but wondering if
it's really gonna be all that big a difference...on the other hand...they make
a whipple supercharger that replaces the intake itself....hmmmm...I sure miss
my Saleen SSC, but damn do I love my Bronco....
Sean....owner of 95 Eddie Bauer Bronco
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 20:44:09 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Please nominate Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Done.

Bob


At 12:12 AM 6/4/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks to the support of the members on the lists, Ford
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