80-96-list-digest Thursday, June 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 198



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - gear ratio
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 tire brands
RE: FTE 80-96 - Changing gear ratio
RE: FTE 80-96 - 300cid I-6 Performance? - Dave
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???
RE: FTE 80-96 - 300cid I-6 Performance? - Chad
RE: FTE 80-96 - F-150 tire brands
FTE 80-96 - RE: 460 Oil Pan
FTE 80-96 - RE: Ranger Stutter
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 460 Oil Pan
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance
Re: FTE 80-96 - Changing gear ratio
FTE 80-96 - Please nominate Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???

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Date: 3 Jun 98 08:20:23 -0500
From: "Todd Johnston"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - gear ratio

Hi everyone
A posting was sent out awhile back about about a tag on the frame
of the drivers door that has the code for the gear ratio.
The posting had a bunch of different codes and there corresponding ratio
numbers. Does anyone remember this posting or maybe still have it.
If so could someone send it to me.
Thanks in advance
todd_johnston sony.ca
Big Bronco Bustin
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:03:57 -0400
From: "Christian J Hedemark II"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 tire brands

> I'm looking to replace the tires on my 1994 Ford F-150, 2wd, and need some
> suggestions on tire brands. I currently have 30x9.50r15 BF Goodrich tires
> on it. I want to go up to a 31x10.50r15 or P265/75r15 size. I'm looking
> for a combination of nice ride quality with a semi-aggressive tread
> pattern (it spends about 95% of the time on pavement). Any advice or
> experience on different brands with the F-150 trucks?

I'd take the metric size if it's ride quality you're looking for. The 31x10.40x15 is
going to be a little rougher on the pavement than the 265/75R-15. I didn't know
you could get a 265 on a 15 inch rim though (I thought you needed a 16" rim to
get that big a tire). Anyway, I've been very pleased with B.F. Goodrich Radial
All Terrain tires in a size 285/75R-16 on a 4x4 that was primarily used on the
road but occaisionally on construction sites and on sand. I think they were too
skinny for serious sand use but this size is geared more towards street driving
with occaisional offroad duties anyway.

I have had a few different kinds of Goodyear tires. All junk. My mother-in-law
just replace the factory tires on her 1994 Bronco with some 31x10.50x15
Goodyears and they are great on road, but absolutely HORRIBLE off-road,
even in 4WD. My 2WD 87 F250 with 235/85R16 tires, no locker or posi or
anything, is better offroad than her Bronco and I have el-cheapo Cornell tires
from Pep Boys.

Speaking of Pep Boys, I had another truck with the Futura truck tires (Futura is
the pep boys house brand). I don't know if they still make these things
anymore, but the Futura tires were seriously inexpensive, rode well on the road,
were fairly useable offroad, better in the snow than most truck tires, and wore
very well. It would be worth your while to see if PB still has these tires. If all
they have is the Cornell, forget it. I have the Cornell (which is their other house
brand) and they are just "cheap" in every sense of the word. When these tires
are ready to go I am going back to BFG's because I know they are great from
past experiences with them on various trucks.

Chris Hedemark
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:40:48 -0400
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Changing gear ratio

I'm Still a little confused on the rear end answers I got. Maybe it is
because I didn't specify exactly what I wanted to do. What I have is the
8.8" rear end with 3.08 gear ratio. I was thinking about changing to a
3.55 gear ratio. How is this done?
Thanks again,
Mike
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:24 -0400
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 300cid I-6 Performance? - Dave

>Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:47:57 -0400
>From: D Robertson
>Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 300cid I-6 Performance?

>Mike:
>is an '86, so yours is probably pretty well rusted together >also.
Just a 4 bbl. Hope this helps.
>
>I also have an 86 w/ 4.9L , I was wondering about a couple of things.
How did you handle the O2 sensor and the feedback carb stuff? Do you
have to deal with emissions inspections. What size 4 bbl did you use ? I
just ordered a brand new 1 bbl carb for mine , The carb from the
dealer was $ 500 (I'm getting from a mechanic for $350 still big $$) I
also was thinking
of using a exhaust manifold from a later model 4.9 L , they look like
real a header and have a hole for the 02 sensor. I could not figure how
to hook up the computer control with the 4bbl set up. I really enjoy
hearing about big six performance . I'm sure someone out there has put a
turbo on of these.

>Dave
>86 F-150 , 4.9L ,140K miles, 2wd

Dave,
My header didn't come with the O2 port for the sensor but I believe you
can get ones that do. Along with EGR plates that fit between the carb
and intake for 4 bbls. Mine just kind of dangles there under the hood,
along with some feedback carb wiring. I should have done more research
before I bought the parts I did and I probably could have hooked more of
the emissions stuff back up. Good thing there is an e-mail list like
this now for people to communicate ideas and knowledge. I was told that
the O2 sensor and other computer related stuff on my truck only makes
adjustments once the engine is at normal operating temp and runs off of
factory presets within the computer when it's not. I think this is true
because my truck runs fine without this stuff hooked up. I don't now if
the newer exhaust manifolds fit the older trucks but it's a much better
design than the old style. I completely understand what your talking
about on prices. Before I did this to my truck, the exhaust manifold was
cracked. I could smell the exhaust inside the cab! The 1 bbl carb was
totally worn out and needed to be rebuilt or a new one installed. The
truck idled rough and the gas mileage was BAD. I talked to the ford
dealer and it was $500 for a new carb, $350 for a new exhaust manifold &
$350 for a new Intake manifold. $1200 in parts just to get it back to a
stock, good running condition. So I priced out the alternative, $220 for
a 500cfm electric choke 4 bbl carb, $190 for a 4 bbl intake & $150 for a
header. $560 plus the new exhaust from the header back ( 2 cats, 2
mufflers & 2 pipes installed-$360) for a total of $920. Plus the truck
has lots more power than it ever did before, and it runs a lot better
with good gas mileage. We don't have emissions checks in my area and my
truck probably isn't street legal but I figure with a new street legal
carb, new cats and a well tuned engine is has to polluting less than it
was before.
Sorry so long winded.

Mike

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:00:53 -0400
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???

>Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:37:23 -0600
>From: Ryan Dorman
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance

>Why??? $2300 is enough to drop a healthy v8, 4.10 gears and a 6" lift
in my Bronco. Don't get me wrong but I cant wait to relegate the 300 IL6
in my Bronco to a dead weight for my puppy ( 96 pound 10 month old
malamute )... $2300 into the IL6, just to get smoked by the little puke
in daddy's 5.0, or worse yet
the ignorant Redneck (like me) with the stock (except for exhaust intake
and carb) 58 2wd sb with a 292...

Why? Sure it's enough to drop in a V8, but what fun is that.
That I6 will probably last forever if taken good care of.
And a hot rod I6 looks a lot cooler than some average every day V8
setup. And don't forget the look in that little pukes eyes when he see
that him and his daddy's 5.0 just got smoked by an F-150 with an I6
under the hood. And those guys with their 350's, see ya later. Believe
me I have smoked them both.

>Forgive me for my opinion... But there's no way I could justify that
much money for the chance to still get beaten in a race. In the 300
IL6's defense It is excellent at lugging out those pesky stumps out in
the back yard.

Everyone will get beaten sooner or later.
Pesky stumps? Yep done that too. Ah, the best of both worlds. Can that
'58 do that.
I don't want to offend you or anybody else, just giving my opinion.

Mike
P.S. I'll gladly give that I6 of yours a good home.
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:10:53 -0400
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 300cid I-6 Performance? - Chad

>Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:47 -0600
>From: "Chad D. Cassetty"
>Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 300cid I-6 Performance?

>Seriously, one of the major gains in performance that I found was in
the ignition. Now, mine is EFI, also. I used our HP Annihilator
ignition and one of our LaserShot Strip coils. I didn't think to do any
track time comparisons, but the seat of the pants feeling is much
better. This, combined with a K&N FIPK, I was very pleased. With these
changes, plus dropping the truck 4/6, my 60-foot times at the track are
.001 slower than a 94 corvette. Of course, after the 60, he leaves me
in the dust! I can't remember the exact time, but I do remember that
reference.

>Chad Cassetty

Got anything that will work on an '86? I have been thinking about
getting a new distributor and coil.
Thanks,

Mike
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:28:37 -0400
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F-150 tire brands

>Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:27:16 -0700
>From: Jon Berman
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-150 tire brands

>Hello,

>I'm looking to replace the tires on my 1994 Ford F-150, 2wd, and need
some suggestions on tire brands. I currently have 30x9.50r15 BF Goodrich
tires on it. I want to go up to a 31x10.50r15 or P265/75r15 size. I'm
looking for a combination of nice ride quality with a semi-aggressive
tread pattern (it spends about 95% of the time on pavement). Any advice
or experience on different brands with the F-150 trucks?

>Thank you,
>Jon

I have Uniroyal Laredo A/T's 31x10.5xr15 on my '86 f-150 2wd.
I like them a lot. My truck spends all of its time on the road with an
occasional tromp thru the back yard or a field during hunting season.
They have a nice tread pattern and have worked great for me in the rain
and in snow during the winter. Good price too. I had a set of Uniroyal
Laredo P235x75xr15 before these and the A/T's perform a lot better. I
did have to change my speedo gear also when I went to the taller tire.
Hope this helps.

Mike

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:55:22 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: 460 Oil Pan

From: Stacy Fisher
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 Engine Question
Hello Everyone,
[snip]Because the engine that I have came out of a car, =
the oil pan is wrong. [snip] Does anyone know of a solution to fix this =
problem?

Stacy, I suggest going to a junk yard and pull the pan you need off a truck
cadaver (obviously w/a 460) of the same year as your donor engine. You may
want to compare that year oil pan to one on a 460 in a truck of the same
year you have. Hopefully they won't be too different and will fit. Walt
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:48:01 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Ranger Stutter

From: Craig Butler
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1994 Ranger stutter problems

I've got a 1994 Ranger. The problem is that for the last few weeks it
infrequently bucks and stutters (misfires) upon moderate and hard
acceleration. It is usually in 2,3 and 4th gear. If I back off the pedal,
it quits. Here is a list of what I've done so far to try and fix it:

Spark plugs
plug wires
oxygen sensors
fuel filter
air filter
PVC valve

I am beginning to think that it may be a vacuum leak. Any thought form the
list on what it may be/how to fix it??

Craig Butler

Craig, since you've done all the right 'first-cheap' things, my advise would
be to replace the TPS Throttle Position Sensor. I had similar problems and
replaced the TPS and the engine ran like new. Walt (P.S. I think it's a
dealer only item, not sure. Will probably run about $50...but it's worth
it.).

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 22:58:56 -0700
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 460 Oil Pan

Posluszny, Walt (posl) wrote:
>
> Stacy, I suggest going to a junk yard and pull the pan you need off a truck
> cadaver (obviously w/a 460) of the same year as your donor engine. You may
> want to compare that year oil pan to one on a 460 in a truck of the same
> year you have. Hopefully they won't be too different and will fit.

Don't forget the dipstick. They also are probably different.
Paul in Portland OR
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 19:06:20 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance

Ryan I will admit it did get a little out of hand $$$$.
At first I was just adding the intake,carb and header.
Then I find out after I got that stuff my distributor will not work with
it!!!!!!!!
So then I am thinking a cam would be nice, so that turned in to a cam kit.
So then I tell myself, I can't do all this work and money and not know
for sure what kind of shape my head is in??? And its a good thing I did pull
the head off!!!! I would have been bolting all those nice new parts onto JUNK!

Mike at HI FLOW HEADS in Alsip IL, #708-396-0505 explained to me what
was wrong, and give me several options and his better judgment as to what needs
to
be done. Yes I could have had a V8, But Iam not racing!!! I bought this truck
in february, I looked for a long time to find one in good shape body wise!
I did want a V8, but this truck was to sharp to pass up!!!!!
It will run better than a stock V8 small block!! And it might run forever!!!
I think I'll be pleased !!! GENO
1984 4x4 XLT 2 tone blue 32 by 11.50 tires 57000 original miles

Ryan Dorman wrote:

> Why??? $2300 is enough to drop a healthy v8, 4.10 gears and a 6" lift in my
> Bronco.
> Don't get me wrong but I cant wait to relegate the 300 IL6 in my Bronco to a
> dead weight for my puppy ( 96 pound 10 month old malamute )... $2300 into
> the IL6, just to get smoked by the little puke in daddy's 5.0, or worse yet
> the ignorant Redneck (like me) with the stock (except for exhaust intake and
> carb) 58 2wd sb with a 292...
>
> Forgive me for my opinion... But there's no way I could justify that much
> money for the chance to
> still get beaten in a race. In the 300 IL6's defense It is excellent at
> lugging out those pesky stumps
> out in the back yard.
>
> Gene Ball wrote:
>
> It has cost me right at $2300.00 for all of this.
>
> So as sone as i get my head back I can get it together.WHIPPHEE
>
> > I think I should get somewhere around a 125 HP or better I hope!!
> > I work at a Ford assembely plant in chicago, the parking lot is full of
> > ford trucks Can't waite to run a few V8s with my 6 cylinder!!
> > GENO
>
> --
> 58 F-100 292 sb 2wd
> 85 Bronco 300 IL6 4x4
> 97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
> (and several others in progress)
> --
> KC7YPJ, Ryan Dorman
> QTH: Victor ID, grid# DN431c
> ICQ #3834602
> kc7ypj pdt.net
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/5496
>
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 19:19:58 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Changing gear ratio

Mike in order to do it right you need to take it to a GOOD shop!!!
The gear mesh is very critical. If its not right your gears will just
grind and burn up!!!! It takes a special tool and shims and now how!!!
I had a mustang with a 8.8 rear end it had a 3.27 gear I had it changed
to a 4.10. The gears cost $175.00 and installation labor was also $175.00
Is your truck 2wd or 4 wd???????? You have a 6 cylinder to, right?
GENO
Mike Johnson wrote:

> I'm Still a little confused on the rear end answers I got. Maybe it is
> because I didn't specify exactly what I wanted to do. What I have is the
> 8.8" rear end with 3.08 gear ratio. I was thinking about changing to a
> 3.55 gear ratio. How is this done?
> Thanks again,
> Mike
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 00:12:34 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Please nominate Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 23:41:03 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???

Mike Johnson wrote:

> >Why??? $2300 is enough to drop a healthy v8, 4.10 gears and a 6" lift
> in my Bronco. Don't get me wrong but I cant wait to relegate the 300 IL6
> in my Bronco to a dead weight for my puppy ( 96 pound 10 month old
> malamute )... $2300 into the IL6, just to get smoked by the little puke
> in daddy's 5.0, or worse yet
> the ignorant Redneck (like me) with the stock (except for exhaust intake
> and carb) 58 2wd sb with a 292...
>
> Why? Sure it's enough to drop in a V8, but what fun is that.
> That I6 will probably last forever if taken good care of.
> And a hot rod I6 looks a lot cooler than some average every day V8
> setup. And don't forget the look in that little pukes eyes when he see
> that him and his daddy's 5.0 just got smoked by an F-150 with an I6
> under the hood. And those guys with their 350's, see ya later. Believe
> me I have smoked them both.

1st off find someone who knows how to drive the 5.02nd try that race again
after they invest the
amount of money in the 5.0 that you have in your IL6...

> Everyone will get beaten sooner or later.

I prefer later. (hence the scrapping of the IL6)

> Pesky stumps? Yep done that too. Ah, the best of both worlds. Can that
> '58 do that.

It appears that you have never had the priveledge of driving a 292 powered
truck. If you had you wouldn't have bothered to ask that. The IL6 doesn't
even come close in any aspect against a stock 292 , then get rid of the
stock exhaust, slap a factory 4barel intake and carb on it and leave the
cylinder deprived in tire smoke... rubber in 2nd,3rd,4th with 31x10.50x15
mudders and 700 pounds worth of snowloged polaris in the bed!!! Get a tired
(150k+miles) IL6
to do that one in a 5600 pound truck..(wont do it I've tried)

> I don't want to offend you or anybody else, just giving my opinion.
>
> Mike
> P.S. I'll gladly give that I6 of yours a good home.

It has a good home, with a future as a soloflex for my pup......


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58 F-100 292 sb 2wd
85 Bronco 300 IL6 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
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KC7YPJ, Ryan Dorman
QTH: Victor ID, grid# DN431c
ICQ #3834602
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