80-96-list-digest Friday, May 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 190



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Removing Rearview Mirror Button
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300 I-6 Performance
FTE 80-96 - '94 Bronco- warped brake rotors
FTE 80-96 - Re:'94 Bronco- warped brake rotors
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:'94 Bronco- warped brake rotors
FTE 80-96 - STAR tester
Re: FTE 80-96 - '94 Bronco- warped brake rotors
FTE 80-96 - RE:Brake Vacuum Booster Testing
FTE 80-96 - Re: Ranchero List
FTE 80-96 - Re: mirror button
FTE 80-96 - Re: mirror button

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:58:50 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Removing Rearview Mirror Button

J.A. Bowman wrote:

> Another option is going to your local auto glass shop. My rearview
> mirror fell off last winter and they replaced it FREE in about 10
> minutes!
>
This sounds like the best idea yet. I am having some glass shelves cut
right now at such a shop so I'll ask about this when I go to pick those up.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:40:11 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300 I-6 Performance

Mike, Thanks for gettin back with me. Does your distributor have vacuum
advance?
Did you have to take a smog test in your state, is your pollution stuff
still hooked up?
Can you recomend a good performance muffler that is quite! I want to keep
the big round type muffler on it. Thanks Geno

Mike Johnson wrote:

> >Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:00:28 -0700
> >From: Gene Ball
> >Subject: FTE 80-96 - 300 I-6 Performance camshaft?
>
> >So, I have 1984 4x4 300I-6 32in tires 3.55 gears. This truck >has 57000
> miles on it. I'am making some performance upgrades. It least I hope
> thats what they'll be!!
> >First does anybody know how much HP this truck makes stock, it >has a
> carb on it.
>
> I have a 1986 and I think it makes 120hp & 250lb/ft torque.
>
> >I have purchased a 4 barrel intake and a header from clifford
> >performance.
>
> I did the same thing to my truck, you will love all the extra power you
> gain. Lots of low end torque.
>
> >I also got a distributor from them with vacuum advance and an >advanced
> curve!
>
> I still have my stock distributor, let me know how the new one turns
> out. I thought of doing this myself.
>
> >I will be running a edelbrock 500 carb.
>
> I have the carter 500cfm carb and I like it a lot more than the holley
> 390cfm that I originally put on (what a piece of junk). If you have an
> auto trans and get the kick down hooked back up let me know how you did
> it. I couldn't figure it out. But with all the extra power you don't
> even need it.
>
> >I got a couple of different suggestions on camshaft size?
> >So I went with a 260 grind from comp cams! I got the whole kit >cam
> lifters springs ex.... Is this cam fit for everyday >driving? What can I
> expect out of all of this? MPG?
>
> Haven't done the cam either, let me know how it works.
> Believe it or not my mileage did not change at all after I installed the
> new parts.
> If you have any other questions I'll be glad to try and answer them. It
> only took me a weekend to install my parts, and the truck has ran great
> ever since. That was two years ago and the truck is a daily driver.
>
> Mike
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:51:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ben Havens
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '94 Bronco- warped brake rotors

Hi all- new subscriber here, and I got a few questions...:)

Has anyone here had problems with warping brakes? Specifically anyone
with the 4-wheel ABS. I've got a '94 Bronco with severely warped front
rotors. The rear brakes were serviced a couple years back under some
factory service bulletin. I have heard mixed reports of the ABS system
actually ruining the brakes. Has anyone else heard this?

Ford wants upwards of $625 for a front brake job, including replacing the
rotors. the rotors alone are ~$300 (!!), presumably because they have
this sensor ring for the ABS attached to the backside of them. I'm
considering just using normal rotors from the parts store which DON'T come
with this sensor ring and cost 49 bucks. I'm just wondering if the ABS
system will go haywire with no input from the front sensors? In which
case I'm also considering pulling a couple of the 5 or 6
fuses/breakers/relays relating to the ABS. Am I nuts for wanting to do
this? This is the first vehicle I've had with ABS on it, so I'm not
personally attached to the idea of having it. Will I regret "pulling the
plug"? If it is the ABS attacking the rotors, I don't want it to ruin the
new ones.

I know the truck's history, because my mother bought it new. It was not
driven hard or abused in any way. It took several complaints of the
brakes "pulsing" for the dealer to fix the rears. Now it is the fronts
causing problems.

Any thoughts? Suggestions? Anything would be helpful (and appreciated)
at this point.
Thanks--
Ben Havens
94 Bronco XLT 5.8
benh mediastation.com


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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:58:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ben Havens
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:'94 Bronco- warped brake rotors

On another note, I've gotten alot of responses telling me that Ford used a
lot of bad rotors and drums on their trucks for a while, and that they
warp pretty easily. Have any of you had yours replaced for this reason?
And if so, how much did it run you? (or did FORD foot the bill, like they
ought to, assuming this is true?)

Ben Havens
bhavens online.emich.edu


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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:04:49 EDT
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:'94 Bronco- warped brake rotors

In a message dated 5/28/98 2:59:20 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
bhavens ONLINE.EMICH.EDU writes:

> Have any of you had yours replaced for this reason?
Replaced mine because they warped. This is on a Ranger however. They seem to
last until they are turned and then they warp after that. I personally don't
like the ABS and have removed it from my 87. It only had rear ABS
good luck
D Baken
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:26:09 -0400
From: Claude King
Subject: FTE 80-96 - STAR tester

I'm planning on ordering a new ford and manual talks about a STAR tester to
read theGEM codes. Also looking for something to read the error codes for
the motor. Anybody seen any reasonable cost testers.


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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:24:08 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '94 Bronco- warped brake rotors

Ben, I had a 1995 4x4 F150, Ford does have a problem with the front brakes!
Actually the problem is with the brake pads, the material is bad! Plus the
rotors
are a little on the thin side. The pads are making the rotors heat up and
warp!
I took my truck back to the dealer, and they explained this to me.
They replaced the rotors and replaced the pads with a new type of material!
My truck had 15000 miles on it at the time. They did it for FREE!
Good luck Geno

Ben Havens wrote:

> Hi all- new subscriber here, and I got a few questions...:)
>
> Has anyone here had problems with warping brakes? Specifically anyone
> with the 4-wheel ABS. I've got a '94 Bronco with severely warped front
> rotors. The rear brakes were serviced a couple years back under some
> factory service bulletin. I have heard mixed reports of the ABS system
> actually ruining the brakes. Has anyone else heard this?
>
> Ford wants upwards of $625 for a front brake job, including replacing the
> rotors. the rotors alone are ~$300 (!!), presumably because they have
> this sensor ring for the ABS attached to the backside of them. I'm
> considering just using normal rotors from the parts store which DON'T come
> with this sensor ring and cost 49 bucks. I'm just wondering if the ABS
> system will go haywire with no input from the front sensors? In which
> case I'm also considering pulling a couple of the 5 or 6
> fuses/breakers/relays relating to the ABS. Am I nuts for wanting to do
> this? This is the first vehicle I've had with ABS on it, so I'm not
> personally attached to the idea of having it. Will I regret "pulling the
> plug"? If it is the ABS attacking the rotors, I don't want it to ruin the
> new ones.
>
> I know the truck's history, because my mother bought it new. It was not
> driven hard or abused in any way. It took several complaints of the
> brakes "pulsing" for the dealer to fix the rears. Now it is the fronts
> causing problems.
>
> Any thoughts? Suggestions? Anything would be helpful (and appreciated)
> at this point.
> Thanks--
> Ben Havens
> 94 Bronco XLT 5.8
> benh mediastation.com
>
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:02:36 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:Brake Vacuum Booster Testing

Sorry, I forgot to mention the truck is an 85 F-150 with a 351 W.
Seems to stop o.k(not great but o.k.). in normal braking applications, but
in an emergency I've come pretty damn close to an accident several times and
my foot was standing on the brake pedal(an I'm 250 lbs.) Pads are fine front
and rear, no leaks.
> How do you go about testing a brake vacuum booster to see if it's working.
> I
> have to stand on my brakes to make an emergency stop. It's almost
> impossible
> to lock up any of the wheels. It's scary in an emergency situation.
> Thanks
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:59:27 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Ranchero List

>Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?

>Anyone here think a Ranchero list would be a good idea?

There is already a Fairlane, Ranchero & Torino list in operation if anyone
is interested.

To s*bscribe go to: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dfwmotorsport.com/Fairlane

Chuck Colvin
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.CoolRides.com/CR001.html




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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:46:05 -0500
From: "Jram"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: mirror button

Just to let everybody know, I just looked up the mirror button thing on my
computer (I have Ford shop manuals, EVTM, TSB). The shop manual indicates
that the mirror on a '92 F-150 does not have a set screw. I didn't think so
either. It has some half assed clamp and the access hole is to insert
special tool (No rotunda number given because they know it is BS) into the
slot to remove the button. In my experience the best way to remove the
button is to clamp the mirror base into a vise and beat the button out with
a punch and hammer. Then straighten the clamp in the mirror base and
reinstall it after gluing the button to the glass. TSB 94-17-2 is the Ford
approved way to reglue the button to the windshield. As far as removing the
button, only brute force will work. I replace one almost once a day during
the summer here in Texas. Hope I could help.
jram swbell.net
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:28:53 -0400
From: "Rosemary O'Brien"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: mirror button

The rearview mirror on my 92 Econoline 150 fell off last weekend. Jram is
right the only way to get the "button" out is with a little WD-40, a
screwdriver and brute force! Why is what should be such a simple thing to
fix, such a pain. I'm enjoying this list and learning lots about trucks.

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