80-96-list-digest Tuesday, May 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 186



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Tailgate Lettering Kit
RE: FTE 80-96 - F-800 Won't Start
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tire size
FTE 80-96 - Transmission
FTE 80-96 - EGR Valve
FTE 80-96 - California Get Together
Re: FTE 80-96 - EGR Valve
FTE 80-96 - DYNOMAX MUFFLERS
FTE 80-96 - Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - DYNOMAX MUFFLERS
FTE 80-96 - Re: Noise when dropping into drive
FTE 80-96 - Re:F-800
[none]
FTE 80-96 - F-350 Dream Weekend
RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: Noise when dropping into drive
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-350 Dream Weekend
FTE 80-96 - 5.0 to 5.8
FTE 80-96 - rear pinion leak
RE: FTE 80-96 - 5.0 to 5.8
Re: FTE 80-96 - Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Problem
FTE 80-96 - 460 erratic idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.0 to 5.8
Re: FTE 80-96 - 460 erratic idle

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:51:02 -0700
From: "Bowman, John A"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tailgate Lettering Kit

I have just had my 1983 F100 repainted and would like to replace the
white FORD tailgate lettering but my local Canadian Ford dealer saya
ford no longer makes them. Are they available in the US of form the
aftermarket? I don't want the hassle (or expense) of trying to paint
them.

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1983 F100 - " BIG RED"
Halifax, Nova Scotia
email: jbowman MTT.CA
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:46:51 -0500
From: "SSG D"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F-800 Won't Start

> problem there, but let me know about the cap, try
> starting the truck
> w/the cap OFF.

I've heard of this too, fuel caps are designed to let air in and
not out, perhaps its stuck??

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:57:09 -0400
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tire size

Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 13:40:34 -0700
From: jonb2 pipeline.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tire size

> Hello,

> I've got a 1994 F-150, auto, 2wd, shortbed, and it's
about time to
> change the tires. Currently the tires are BFG
All-Terrain 30 x 9.5 on
> the stock rims with no body/suspension lifts.

> My question is--can I put a larger size tire on it,
ie. 31 x 10.5, or is
> that too big for the stock rims and/or presents
clearance problems?

> Thank you,
> Jon

I have a 1986 F-150, auto, 2wd, longbox. I put 31 x 10.5
on my
Stock rims which were 15 x 6.5. I had them on for about
a year
Before I bought new rims (15 x 8). I never had any
problems
At all with the larger tires, but the tire shop did tell
me that my stock
Rims were a little narrow for the tires and to keep them
fully inflated
properly. The tire manufacturer recommended at least a
7" wide
wheel for the tire. Hope this helps.

Mike
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:14:19 -0400
From: Drue Overby
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Transmission

Does anyone know what the E4OD and the 4R70W are listed as on the safety
compliance label for a '96? I need someone who really knows their
trucks.

Thanks,

Drue Overby

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:22:25 -0400
From: "Norman Maranda"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - EGR Valve

Hello All,

I think my truck(i.e 1994 F150 4x4 With 5.0l engine) needs an EGR Valve
I called the dealer and talked to the service manager and he said that it would
cost 80 bucks for the valve and about 1 hour of labor(for a grand total of 140
bucks). What am i missing; I see 2 mounting bolts and a union nut that need to
be removed???? Can you guys fill me in on changing a EGR Valve. Also are there
aftermarket Valves out there of equal quality and lower cost?? Also where can
they be purchased via internet??? Thanks

nom



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TITLE: STRESS ANALYST
DEPT: D464
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 7:28:04 -0800
From: callah S5.hninc.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - California Get Together

>>------------------------------
>>
>>
>>Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:02:47 -0700
>>From: Keith Srb
>>Subject: FTE 80-96 - California get together
>>
>>
>>Hello List Members,
>>
>>
>>There has been some discussion the 61-79 list of having a get together
>>somewhere in California. At this point in time, I do not know where,
or
>>when it would take place. Right now I am trying to gather some
information
>>so we can try and pick a date and location for the get together. So, I
>>need your help.
>>
>>
>>Question one.
>>I would like to know how many people would be willing to attend this
get
>>together, if they can.
>>
>>
>>Question two.
>>Can anyone suggest a time and place in California that we could have
this
>>get together. It would be nice if we can do this in conjunction with
some
>>other Truck event that is happening then. Such as a Truck show, swap
meet
>>or something.
>>
>>
>>------------------------------

I put out "feelers" on this very subject recently and received replies
from about six list members. I would still like to do a get together.
This past weekend I went up to Big Bear and found a multitude of
backroad trails for all levels of off-roading. There is also a large
group campground near the beginning which could be reserved for a pot
luck lunch or dinner. We could all meet in the small town of Fawnskin
(on the north side of Big Bear Lake) and go from there. I think mid to
end of July (7-18, 7-25, or 8-1) would be best so people could prepare.
There are plenty of lodgings in the Big Bear area if some folks wanted
to make a whole (long) weekend of it. Let me know what you all think.
If this sounds good we will need to get it posted on the other FTE lists
also.

Gary Callahan
'81 F-150 Custom 4x4
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Holmes & Narver, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:08:40 -0400
From: D Robertson
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - EGR Valve

Norman:

Several years ago I changed the EGR on my 86 F-150. I purchased a
Motorcraft , the parts guy needed the number off the original. The
replacement came with little washers that changed the diameter of the valve
and the washer installed depended on the original part number. You are
correct on your assumption that it is easy. I think the hardest part was
getting the tube disconnected .

Dave


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:21:12 -0400
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - DYNOMAX MUFFLERS

Has anyone put dynomax mufflers on their truck?
If so how do they perform and sound?

I'm getting a new duel exhaust put on this afternoon
And the muffler shop is recommending them.

If you could email me directly I would appreciate it
Since I am on the digest. Thanks.

Mike
Mikej granger-co.com
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:34:10 -0400
From: "Kenneth W. Glace, Jr."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Problem

Recently purchased an '88 Ranger, AT, 4WD, 2.9 V-6, 92K miles, was used for
snow plowing at one time. Got a really good deal. Problem is recently had
rear main seal replaced because of oil leak. Seal replacement stopped leak
temporarily. Leak is now back. Mechanic tells me that Fords don't normally
have problems with warped crank shafts. Any ideas?

Wife is about to throw me out of house for oil leaking on driveway.

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:37:59 -0400
From: "Christian J Hedemark II"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - DYNOMAX MUFFLERS

> Has anyone put dynomax mufflers on their truck?

I had them on a 1995 D*dge Ram 2500HD V10 4x4.

> If so how do they perform and sound?

Performance? What performance? Stock single exhaust system had better
seat-of-the-pants feel.

Sound? What sound? I could be parked right next to you and you'd swear it
was a stock system.

Spend your money elsewhere. Gibson is a great bet, unless you like it pretty
loud and then you can look at a MAC or second choice would be Flowmaster
personally.

> I'm getting a new duel exhaust put on this afternoon
> And the muffler shop is recommending them.

Yeah if you like it quiet as stock, maybe.

Only positive thing I can say about the Dynomax mufflers is I got slightly better
fuel economy with them installed, but I was going from a single to a dual
exhaust so that alone could explain it.

> If you could email me directly I would appreciate it
> Since I am on the digest. Thanks.

Done.

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:09:10 EDT
From: BFunk33
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Noise when dropping into drive

In a message dated 98-05-26 06:13:19 EDT, you write:

> From: Randy
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Noise when dropping into drive
>
> Usually the U-joint is the culprit depending on the mileage. The
> 'clunk' is the first symptom, followed by vibration under
> acceleration, followed by a hell of alot of banging around as the
> driveshaft spins under the truck hitting everything it can reach!!!
> Fortunately I got to mine, before the last symptom...hehe. To tell if
> this is the problem, climb underneath and hold the yoke on the diff
> and try to twist the driveshaft. A small amount of movement is all
> that is necessary to conclude the U-joint is bad. Sometimes you can
> look at the U-joint where the cups are to look for any shiny metal
> which is another tell-tale sign. If this is the problem, the fix is
> very easy and very inexpensive. If you would like some instruction as
> to how to do it, feel free to e-mail me off-list (or on if you prefer)
> and I'll tell you how to do it.
> Later,
> Randy "just got back from a great weekend of camping w/the F-250
> pulling the camper very nicely" (Brew)
>
> SSG D wrote:
> >
> > When I initially drop my transmission into drive or reverse, I
> > will hear a clanging noise as the transmission engages. What is
> > causing this and is there an easy fix?
> >
> > I have a '92 Flare Side, 302, 5 Ltr.

Maybe, maybe.
The E4OD also has a noise maker in the parking brake pawl catch mechanism;
it's not serious, and in mine (a '91 F-250, with a similar noise since new)
has caused no problems.
I chased this noise for weeks, checking the entire drive line including the u-
joints, rear end itself, and normal tranny noises. Finally, the Ford dealer
explained the noise, showed that it was also on several new trucks on the lot,
and said the fix was a special glue to fasten a loose plate to the ratchet
plate, but that since the noise was not an actual problem (except for the
noise) Ford would only cover 25% of the cost, *AFTER* the tranny was out. I
decided to wait and see, since my complaint was on record. It's not gotten
worse, nor has it caused any problem.
Note, this may not be the noise you are hearing (it appearantly doesn't happen
on 100% of the trucks), but if everything else checks out OK, this may well be
it.

Bill
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:18:32 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:F-800

That is a good idea. I will be gone until June 10, but when I get back,
we will be using it on the weekends again. As far as return lines and such,
we are yet to find one. There is the main fuel delivery line and then the
only thing coming off the tank is the two wires for the pump. All I can say
is there must be a leak somewhere, that allows the pressure to equalize, and
must get plugged up once in a while to cause the vaccuum.. The thing will
run and run, then it will die just like that. Get it going, run, run run,
then it dies again. Theres no pattern to it, it just decides to die.

Thanks
Casey

>>>>>>>>>>
Casey,
Just a thought here, I've only seen this once or twice, but the cap
may be causing a 'vacuum lock' on the fuel, I'm not talking about the
vacuum lock you get at the carberator, but the fuel pump is trying to
pump fuel to the motor, but there is no air to take it's place. I
don't know about any of the other lines that run back to the tank like
return lines so you'll have to ask someone else if there may be a
problem there, but let me know about the cap, try starting the truck
w/the cap OFF.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:43:46
From: Tim Clevenger
Subject: [none]

My dad is looking for a 90-96 Ranger extended cab pickup, with a 5-speed and V6 engine (2.9 through 4.0 fine). A/C is a must, as is low miles (less than 50,000 preferred.) Please reply to TClevenger usa.net with price and details. California truck preferred. If you're interested, he has a '91 F-150 for partial or complete trade, with the 4.9L V6, four-speed with granny low and reverse, dual tanks, A/C, rear slider, 6-foot bed with shell and 38,000 easy miles (freeway cruising or towing a little 500 pound aluminum fishing boat.) We're in the Central Valley (about an hour from the Bay Area.)

Regards,

Tim Clevenger
TClevenger usa.net
'90 Nissan 240SX SE (prepping for sale)
'86 Ford Ranger
'83 Ford Ranger (parts car)



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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:18:08 -0700
From: "Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-350 Dream Weekend

Hello guys, thought I would share my 4 door Ford weekend with you all.
Excellent weather, 32 miles of beach to cruise and my dream truck. My 94
F-350 4x4 Crew Cab dubbed the "Rulemaker" owned the beach and wowed the
crowd. Special thanks to Craig Stewart at Stewart Raceworks for the custom
pre-runner and skidplate. The upper Sea of Cortez could not have been more
beautiful. Sand, Sun, Bikini's and Ford what else is there? Junior

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:17:33 -0500
From: "SSG D"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: Noise when dropping into drive

> > >
> > > I have a '92 Flare Side, 302, 5 Ltr.
>
> Maybe, maybe.
> The E4OD also has a noise maker in the parking brake
> pawl catch mechanism;
> it's not serious, and in mine (a '91 F-250, with a
> similar noise since new)
> has caused no problems.
> I chased this noise for weeks, checking the entire
> drive line including the u-
> joints, rear end itself, and normal tranny noises.
> Finally, the Ford dealer
> explained the noise, showed that it was also on
> several new trucks on the lot,
> and said the fix was a special glue to fasten a loose
> plate to the ratchet
> plate, but that since the noise was not an actual
> problem (except for the
> noise) Ford would only cover 25% of the cost, *AFTER*
> the tranny was out. I
> decided to wait and see, since my complaint was on
> record. It's not gotten
> worse, nor has it caused any problem.
> Note, this may not be the noise you are hearing (it
> appearantly doesn't happen
> on 100% of the trucks), but if everything else checks
> out OK, this may well be
> it.
>

I heard this too, perhaps its not worth pushing forward.....

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:18:18 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-350 Dream Weekend

> From: Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA



> The upper Sea of Cortez could not have been more
> beautiful. Sand, Sun, Bikini's and Ford what else is there?


We WANT PICs , WE WANT PICs, WE WANT PICs, WE WANT PICs,


of the truck of course.... :)


too


John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver "Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:18:48 -0500
From: "Joe Escarre"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5.0 to 5.8

I have a 1995 F150 short bed regular cab 2wd with 5.0 and five speed. Id
like to replace the 5.0 with a 5.8. The truck is a daily driver and has to
stay street legal. I have other plans that include heads and intakes but I
d like to just get the short block in first. Can I use the 5.0 heads and
intake on the 5.8 short block? Whos out there that as made this swap? Id
appreciate any info or tips on what to expect.

Joe


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:50:37 EDT
From: Batst bmw
Subject: FTE 80-96 - rear pinion leak

Help,my 82 f-250 xl which only has 56,000 miles on it.
The truck came from a family member in AZ. It has sat for a long time and AZ.
is so hot and dry.
Now here in KY. and i am driving it everyday. The rear pinion seal is
leaking,guess you could say kind of bad.
First which rear end is it? The sticker in the door says 43. From looking at
pictures it looks like a Dana,but which one.
A mechanic told me that the seals dont usually go bad by them selves.
He says there is probably a bad bearing or two, making the seal bad.
Does this make sence,sounds good but the truck has such low mileage.
Please help,Blaine in KY.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:57:58 -0400
From: "Christian J Hedemark II"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 5.0 to 5.8

> I have a 1995 F150 short bed regular cab 2wd with 5.0 and
> five speed. Id
> like to replace the 5.0 with a 5.8. The truck is a daily
> driver and has to
> stay street legal. I have other plans that include heads and
> intakes but I
> d like to just get the short block in first. Can I use the
> 5.0 heads and
> intake on the 5.8 short block? Whos out there that as made
> this swap? Id
> appreciate any info or tips on what to expect.

Intake definitely will NOT work. You'll need a 351W-specific intake. Heads
are usually interchangable between 302 & 351 and AFAIK should be fine for
this application. You'll also need exhaust manifolds, as well.


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:23:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Problem

At 11:34 AM 5/26/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Recently purchased an '88 Ranger, AT, 4WD, 2.9 V-6, 92K miles, was used for
>snow plowing at one time. Got a really good deal. Problem is recently had
>rear main seal replaced because of oil leak. Seal replacement stopped leak
>temporarily. Leak is now back. Mechanic tells me that Fords don't normally
>have problems with warped crank shafts. Any ideas?
>
>Wife is about to throw me out of house for oil leaking on driveway.
>

Next time you get it fixed, make sure they plane it and add
a good sealant (RTV) to the gasket.

Ken Payne

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Date: 26 May 1998 20:08:36 EDT
From: Hawk sktc.net
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Problem

80>At 11:34 AM 5/26/98 -0400, you wrote:
80>>Recently purchased an '88 Ranger, AT, 4WD, 2.9 V-6, 92K miles, was used for
80>>snow plowing at one time. Got a really good deal. Problem is recently had
80>>rear main seal replaced because of oil leak. Seal replacement stopped leak
80>>temporarily. Leak is now back. Mechanic tells me that Fords don't normall
80>>have problems with warped crank shafts. Any ideas?


80>Next time you get it fixed, make sure they plane it and add
80>a good sealant (RTV) to the gasket.

80>Ken Payne

Ken, a rear seal on an 89 2.9 is a one piece lipped seal. It pops out
with some sheet metal screws and goes in with a special installer tool.
It is real easy to nick and hard to get in straight without this tool.

Please explain what "plane it" means. I have never heard this term
used in conjunction with a rear main seal. Thanks.

Buck Shoff

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:45:39 -0700
From: Joseph Mintz
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 erratic idle

I have a '95 F-250 H.D. with a 460 in it. 4X2. It now has 98,000 miles
on it. When I bought it (new) the idle quality was absolutely perfect.
It gradually got worse, started getting noticeable around 30,000 miles.
I took it to Ford, and they told me it was a "lean miss." Does anyone
know what could be causing this problem? Ford tells me I need a
rebuild, but I doubt it. It does does not burn oil, and the compression
is very normal. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Thank
you.


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:29:38 -0500
From: bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.0 to 5.8

On Tue, 26 May 1998 19:57:58 -0400 "Christian J Hedemark II"
writes:
>> I have a 1995 F150 short bed regular cab 2wd with 5.0 and
>> five speed. Id like to replace the 5.0 with a 5.8. The truck is a
daily
>> driver and has to stay street legal. I have other plans that include
heads and
>> intakes but Id like to just get the short block in first. Can I use
the
>> 5.0 heads and intake on the 5.8 short block? Whos out there that as
made
>> this swap? Id appreciate any info or tips on what to expect.
>
>Intake definitely will NOT work. You'll need a 351W-specific intake.
>Heads are usually interchangable between 302 & 351 and AFAIK should be
>fine for this application. You'll also need exhaust manifolds, as well.
>
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also, use 351 head bolts (1/2 inch). Anything bolted to the block AND the
heads are different, ie. p/s bracket, alternator bracket, dip stick tube?
etc. and anything bolted to BOTH heads. For the smog pump crossover tube
bolted to the back of the heads, I just cut one side and spliced it with
high temp heater hose. (black is less obvious) I used 302 exhaust
manifolds but this is a good time to put headers on as the Y-pipe is
different also. Oh yeah, you must use the 351 distributer. If you have
any questions, holler.

Brian Rickman bmrickman juno.com
91 Explorer 4X4 EB AOD
81 F100 2wd 351w AOD

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:38:00 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 460 erratic idle

> From: Joseph Mintz



> When I bought it (new) the idle quality was absolutely > perfect.
> It gradually got worse, started getting noticeable around > 30,000 miles.
> I took it to Ford, and they told me it was a "lean miss." > Does anyone
> know what could be causing this problem?

Well I only have a theory and I hope someone out there can confirm or
correct me. Here it is, I think from reading how the computer constantly
"block learns" different perimeters of engine management under different
conditions always trying to be the most efficient eventually it operates
with a slight "lean miss" this is not to say a true full blown "lean miss"
because this is actually very inefficient. I have heard and am just about
to try this on mine, a 96 F-350 with a 460.... ohhhhhhhhhh yeaaaaaaaah..
just had to say that.... :P.. anyway I am going to disconnect the battery
for an extended time, wiping out any memory, so it will go through its
block learning, I think Ford calls it Green time, I have heard this
restores idle quality as well as some performance. Of course this is only
until it reaches the same data load from operation to again get away with
what it can. Please this is something I need to learn about, ( I left the
car business in '90 and never had factory Ford experience anyway, I was
brand X factory trained and even worse yet, Rolls-Royce/Bentley factory
trained, but always drove the blue oval product. On a small note you should
see the expression on a Rolls-Royce owners face when they say to you " oh....


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