80-96-list-digest Tuesday, May 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 178



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 80-96 - New License Plates
FTE 80-96 - F-350 Monobeam Front End Question
FTE 80-96 - F-350 Monobeam Front End Question
FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway bars
FTE 80-96 - Re: sway bars - locking hubs
FTE 80-96 - Floor shifter for F250
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone
FTE 80-96 - more 4X swaybar
[none]
FTE 80-96 - Missed Azie!
FTE 80-96 - Re: GM quality (or lack thereof)
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:50:04 -0500
From: "SSG D"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - New License Plates

>
> > ...I went to the DMV on Saturday it cost me $1,199.00
> > to register my truck. Only $90.00 of that was the
> personalized plate.
> > What
> > a rip off!

geezzzzzzz, I suppose being in the military for 14 years pays
dividends. To register my '91 Flare Side, it costs me $21.50 and
then a mandatory state inspection, which is $5.

WOW, $1199.00 !!! Well, there goes your tax return every year.

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:00:43 -0700
From: "Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-350 Monobeam Front End Question

I have experienced a popping noise when turning the steering wheel of my 94
F-350 4x4, 4door pickup. The guy at the front end shop did not replace the
tie rods as I instructed telling me they were in good shape and after fresh
grease the noise was gone. After a while it returns however, dramatically
when stopped and turning the wheel one way then the other. The tie rods
seem rather loose, or maybe best expressed as allowing rather free motion
back and forth by using one hand. Again fresh grease solves the problem
for 30 days or less. I am thinking maybe the grease is hiding the noise and
therefore the overall problem. Can anyone relate to this problem? Any
advice? Changing the rods out is quite expensive since only one end has
the removable tie rod end, the others are a full shaft. Thanks for any
help you guys can provide! Jerry Hinkle Jr.

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:00:43 -0700
From: "Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-350 Monobeam Front End Question

I have experienced a popping noise when turning the steering wheel of my 94
F-350 4x4, 4door pickup. The guy at the front end shop did not replace the
tie rods as I instructed telling me they were in good shape and after fresh
grease the noise was gone. After a while it returns however, dramatically
when stopped and turning the wheel one way then the other. The tie rods
seem rather loose, or maybe best expressed as allowing rather free motion
back and forth by using one hand. Again fresh grease solves the problem
for 30 days or less. I am thinking maybe the grease is hiding the noise and
therefore the overall problem. Can anyone relate to this problem? Any
advice? Changing the rods out is quite expensive since only one end has
the removable tie rod end, the others are a full shaft. Thanks for any
help you guys can provide! Jerry Hinkle Jr.

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:00:35 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway bars

Thanks to all who have replied on the sway bars, I am glad I didn't get
trigger happy and take em off completely. The roll is quite excessive
without them on there. I think as long as I take my time and drive a
little more cautiously I can go just as far into the woods as the other
guys. (only been stuck once, and going slow would have prevented that) The
next question is how do you change the two big bushings up front? Where can
I get the little bushings (other than the dealer unless I have too) The guys
at NAPA can't find them in their catolog, (they do have other sizes, but
not the size I have.)

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:17:47 -0500
From: "Jram"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: sway bars - locking hubs

Group,
As far as the sway bars go, I have an '81 F-150 4x4 with no sway bars in
the front or rear. It is raised about 2" front and rear with 33x12.5x15
tires. I drive it to work 28 miles one way about twice a week. The route
is over back country roads with potholes and some are just dirt and about 10
miles of freeway with a 70mph speed limit then some in town stop and go
traffic. I have never felt unsafe at any speed even when turning. I dont
feel the need for sway bars on my vehicle. wouldn't want them anyway because
a lot of times we load up at lunch or after work and go off road near work.
I guess it is just personal preference. For those that feel the need for
swaybars, there are aftermarket companies that make quick disconnects. They
come with the connectors and the retainer to hold them up out of the way
when disconnected. They are cheap. I have seen them on many webpages of
4x4 retailers.
As far as the manual or locking hubs, the autos always seem to not work
when you need them to. I just lock my manuals if think there might be a
need. Then if I do need them I engage the transfer case and I know for sure
that I have 4 wheel drive. The only drawback is that I dont like to go over
55mph because the transfer case and differential are wound up and make a lot
of noise. So I am late to work! Once again! Later. Jram.
jram swbell.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.swbell.net/jram


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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 21:52:49 EDT
From: FordboyDZ
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Floor shifter for F250

Hi listers !
Now that I've got the diesel,460 debate running
strong {sorry :)} on it's own I think I'll move on to something
else.I have a 96 F250 EC 4X4 with a 460 E4OD and captains chairs.
I'm real interested in installing one of those great looking B&M
light truck megashifters.Problem is they don't make one for the
E4 but do for the AOD. I think I can overcome this with some
cable bracket fabrication, but my real problem is the overdrive
button.I want to remove the column shifter and get one of those
T handles with a button in it for the OD but don't know if this
will work.The button in the column seems like a momentary
one but then what keeps OD off after you release it?Are those
T handle buttons momentary or click type? What year is this?
Whats my name................. #%$!*? I havent even gotten
to the idiot light yet. I really want to do this? You bet! Any help would
be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Dave Zarnesky
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:01:49 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone

At 03:19 PM 5/18/98 -0700, you wrote:
>EXELLENT!
>
>Have YOU flown a FORD...lately!?!
>
>Bob
>


hmm.... actually Ford did made some planes in WWII!

Ken

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:25:18
From: yhtlines surfari.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - more 4X swaybar

Ryan Dorman wrote:
"You forgot up mountains, .....snip
If your 4x4 lives on the pavement. 1st why is it a 4x4???, 2nd run swaybars
they are intended for pavement pounders.... "

I learned something from this discussion that a 4X owner can have the best
of all worlds with kits that allow an owner to connect or disconnect the
sway bars quickly ...(assumption here on my part). I agree that if you are
going to use a truck on pavement at high way speeds, it is much more
enjoyable with sway bars front and rear. And yes, certainly if you live on
a farm on in the mountains with a rugged lifestyle, then a 4X is probably
more of a requirement than at sea level. We use it for boat pulling,
occasional mountain goating for fun, and for contractor type work. And
since it belongs to my son, it fulfills certain, um, emotional needs that
seem to be harbored by young men. For me it was a four speed in a light
bodied V-8 car. I personally get by with a 2X, but often hanker for one of
those portable winches that fit in your receiver. Any body ever owned one
of those?
Dave Lampert

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:31:55
From: yhtlines surfari.net
Subject: [none]

Ken Payne wrote 'snippingly(!) in reply to young "h7819 rea-alp.com":

"Buy the Silverado, and just wait... it'll only be a
matter of time because the trim starts falling about and
the body rattles."

Ken is this true by experience? I'm doing a real life comparision test of a
GMC PU and an F150, both 95's. Both have their good and also less than
excellent points. I have found both to be excellent vehicles and love them
both. I've got friends with both, with lots of miles. I just don't hear
this from owners. I've owned mostly Fords (cars/trucks) in recent years and
have my own opinions of FOMOCO strong and weak points.
Dave Lampert

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:26:16 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Missed Azie!

Opps! Missed someone! Azie Ardmore (am14 chrysler.com) was also at
the F100 Supernationals.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:37:17 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: GM quality (or lack thereof)

At 07:31 PM 5/18/98, you wrote:
>Ken Payne wrote 'snippingly(!) in reply to young "h7819 rea-alp.com":
>
>"Buy the Silverado, and just wait... it'll only be a
>matter of time because the trim starts falling about and
>the body rattles."
>
>Ken is this true by experience? I'm doing a real life comparision test of a
>GMC PU and an F150, both 95's. Both have their good and also less than
>excellent points. I have found both to be excellent vehicles and love them
>both. I've got friends with both, with lots of miles. I just don't hear
>this from owners. I've owned mostly Fords (cars/trucks) in recent years and
>have my own opinions of FOMOCO strong and weak points.
>Dave Lampert
>

Not in GMC pickups, but in their autos. Camoros seem to develope
rattles quickly, Cadillacs have nearly the lowest resale value in the
industry and the lowest reliability rating (according to Edmunds).
I've driven many Ford and GM rentals and I've always come away with
the feeling that the GM interiors were cheap and tacky. The GMC
pickup has really crappy looking molded plastic for the dash/instruments
and it reminds me of the plastic they used in the 70s that starts to
flake after a few years.

I'm not the only one who feels this way, many on Fordnatics will
back up my opinion. Its no coincidence that GM has been losing
market share to Ford and Dodge for a long time. Both Ford and Dodge
seem to have learned the quality lesson - the same can't be said about
GM. I did a bunch of research on this and have some solid numbers
comparing the Big 3 and the Japanese. If you're interested I can
email it to you.

Ken

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:53:02 -0700
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone

Robert Kennedy wrote:
>
> EXELLENT!
>
> Have YOU flown a FORD...lately!?!

Haven't even seen one in a long time. Although there are several still
flying. Tri-motors that is.
Paul in Portland OR
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:58:22 -0700
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone

Ken Payne wrote:
> hmm.... actually Ford did made some planes in WWII!
>
More like in the '20s and early '30s. Last I knew there was one still
in service flying mail out to some islands in the Great Lakes. That was
the Tri-Motor. And I guess you are right, they did build some during
the war under other companies designs. Also built some aircraft engines
then.
Paul in Portland OR
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