80-96-list-digest Monday, May 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 177



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96-sway bars
Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460
Re: FTE 80-96 - Sweek
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE80-96-sway bars
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck's And All There Problems!!!!!
FTE 80-96 - Re: 302 needs more power RRRR
RE: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Report
FTE 80-96 - RE: High Altitude PSD vs. Cubes
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bio/Diesel Vs. 460
FTE 80-96 - New License Plates
FTE 80-96 - F250
Re: FTE 80-96 - New License Plates
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone
Re: FTE 80-96 - Seatbelt Strangulation
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:53:06 -0700
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96-sway bars

Casey,if you have a F-250,you should also have the 44HD.As far as I
know,the dana 44 was a 1/2 ton differential.The heavier load rating and
8 lug pattern was the Dana 44HD for our year trucks.I just went through
this deciphering on mine,too.If memory serves,the Dana 50 (also an IFS)
type front differential wasn't available til later than 85. I drive mine
on the logging roads here also in SW Washington; especially during
Deer/Elk season,but all year long for recreational purposes.My pickup is
my vehicle of choice for this activity due to the increased ground
clearance and limited-slip rear differential.Besides that,I don't want
to scratch up the Bronco;at least til the SOBs paid for:-)


Randy
94Bronco EB-5.8 85 F-250 4x4-460
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:58:35 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460

That's not 100% fair though. Gasoline engines are greatly more affected by high
altitudes than diesels. Me personally, I prefer the big gasser. Mainly because I do
a good deal of daily driving with no or a light load. It's nice to stomp the peddle
and get going quick. I also live 800ft above sea level.

BTW, I don't know what the factors were involved but when I purchased my 97 F250, the
same truck with the 460 was rated to tow more (slightly) than the PS.

Chad

Ryan Dorman wrote:


> I was and always will be a big block fan, but the honest truth is that if I
> were to buy a new 250/350 I would have to go for the diesel,, and no the
> 460 will not outpull the powerstroke,It'll keep up (until the load gets
> ridiculous). I have driven both equally loaded up and over an
> 8300 foot mountain pass (13 miles of wich are 8% or steeper grade --Teton
> Pass Wyoming)
> and the powerstroke gets the win everytime...
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:01:30 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Sweek

Popping noise?

Jason DiSalvo wrote:
>
> Guys, every time I stop, trun to left or right I here a a noise. >
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 06:03:31 -0700
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE80-96-sway bars

Casey,no problem on the sway bars.I was the one who inquired about
them.I think the list member who suggested the means to put on the
"disconnectors" had the best idea.I don't blame you,I would keep them
too:-)


Randy
94Bronco EB-5.8 85 F-250 4x4-460
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:25:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert Fox
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck's And All There Problems!!!!!

Ditto. A friend of mine has a full size Ch&vy /w a 350ci and he has
paper shims where the trim is loose.

- --------------------------------
95 SuperCab 2.3L, SVO OHC Ranger
86 Convertible 302 LX Mustang
79 Loaded LTD 400M
63 Willys Jeep 140
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On Sun, 17 May 1998, Ken Payne wrote:

> > that stay on I don't want one of there vehicles in my possesion. My plans
> > are to buy a 1993-1994 Chevrolet K 1500 silverado. Does anyone know the
> > whole story behind the lugnuts?
> > Matt Hemming
>
> The whole story is you obviously believe all the stuff the
> media feeds you! 34 trucks out of 1.5 million have
> had this problem reported. It all started because of some
> reporters looking for dirt and problems where there isn't
> one.
>
> Buy the Silverado, and just wait... it'll only be a
> matter of time because the trim starts falling about and
> the body rattles.
>

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:57:40 -0600
From: "Victor P. Erwin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 302 needs more power RRRR

>
>I have a 1988 F-150 with a 5.0 in it.
>I am wanting to know if anyone has put in a Mustang 5.0 chip in their
>computer and had good results?? This is a early '88 and uses the truck
>block and not the mustang block, 98% sure on that one.

I wouldn't buy a standard chip for anything. If you want a chip that works,
you need to have one burnt custom for your setup. The Mustang and truck
motors are too different, cam, intake, and I'm sure the computer, to put in
a chip designed for a Mustang.

>Also my EGR valve is going out and I wonder would this effect my mileage
>greatly and any power loss?? Been this way for a good year.

don't know about this. But I'd get a new one.

>And also I am considering greatly doing a new engine buildup after
>summer. I am planning on a 347 stroker with World products heads, trw
>aluminum pistons, good quality gaskets and rings, polished and ported
>upper intake (if not to much $), bigger lb/hr fuel injectors, high flow
>fuel pump, shift kit in tranni or new one (auto), and positrack out back
>or a new 9" with 3.2something or 3.50 or 3.55 gears. Also headers and
>true dual exhaust with flowmaster mufflers.

This is nearly a copy of what I have planned. I'm going to be using the old
heads off my Mustang (more porting and bigger valves), and maybe the
Stang's cam. FMS is supposed to be coming out with a $1200 347 kit - at
least that's what I've been told.

You'll also want to do a MAS conversion, or get a chip burnt for the speed
density for your exact combo.

Also make sure to get the good (not paper) header gaskets. I just went
through this w/my car - and you're not going to want to change those things
every other week.

>Anyone done anything like this?? Pros/cons?? Whats best for the money??
>anyone do a good build up that they can share with me?? and cost. Any
>help and all help would be VERY appreciated. This would be my first
>engine build and want it PERFECT with decent gas mileage while cruising
>and SUPER performance to blow away those pesky chevys and beat me.

The combo I'm talking about will give me at or near 300hp with excellent
torque. Mine is going to become a tow/second vehicle so pulling power
matters to me, not MPG. I was originally going to do a 351W swap, but it'll
end up nickle and diming me to death, and a 347 will be enough power.

These trucks are heavy, so you want to make sure you're going with a cam
that'll have more a torquier profile than a hp profile. Or go with much
quicker gears.

In the meantime, you can do the gears. The 3.5Xs are a good choice. Then
I'd do a MAS or the exhaust (then the other). Next do the intake. Options
here are a Saleen/Vortech upper (I think they're designed for the truck
lowers - and if it's true, my route), extrude hone the stock, Edelbrock,
Holley, or a GT-40 or Cobra.


-Vic
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:55:15 -0400
From: "Stephen Barclay"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460

I just looked over the 97 Towing Guide and the 460 is not rated higher in
any of the categories but it dose however rate the same, GCWR that is, as
the PowerStroke equally equipped with a 4.10 rear end. I purchased a '97
F250HD with the 351 last December and I have monitored the gas mileage very
closely, pitiful if you as me, range is from 7.5 (Snow Plowing) to 11.8
(Highway). The average is somewhere about 11 mpg. I have test drove one of
the new '99 PowerStroke trucks and was very impressed. The next one will
definitely be a diesel.

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[mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of Chad Royse
Sent:Monday, May 18, 1998 8:59 AM
To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460

That's not 100% fair though. Gasoline engines are greatly more affected by
high
altitudes than diesels. Me personally, I prefer the big gasser. Mainly
because I do
a good deal of daily driving with no or a light load. It's nice to stomp
the peddle
and get going quick. I also live 800ft above sea level.

BTW, I don't know what the factors were involved but when I purchased my 97
F250, the
same truck with the 460 was rated to tow more (slightly) than the PS.

Chad

Ryan Dorman wrote:


> I was and always will be a big block fan, but the honest truth is that if
I
> were to buy a new 250/350 I would have to go for the diesel,, and no the
> 460 will not outpull the powerstroke,It'll keep up (until the load gets
> ridiculous). I have driven both equally loaded up and over an
> 8300 foot mountain pass (13 miles of wich are 8% or steeper grade --Teton
> Pass Wyoming)
> and the powerstroke gets the win everytime...
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:30:40 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Report

Here's the Pigeon Forge F100 Supernationals report:

- - 31 list members showed up. One member came from New Zealand! That's
dedication!
- - Many photos taken! These will show up on the web site to arouse
a sense of jealousy (heh heh) in those who didn't attend. This
should increase the attendence next year! I took pictures that
represent every list catagory.
- - In the "I've died and gone to heaven" catagory: 427 SOHC, very rare,
beautiful sound (and very loud, you could hear it for a mile).
brrammmmm, brammmmmmm, brapppppp, brammm...... waaaaaa hoooooo!
- - Group photo was taken Saturday around 11. Most members where in it.
This will appear on the web site.
- - A new sense of direction, many of us sat down and talked about the
future of FTE. Expect us to be an "official club" soon (lists will
always be free). The future looks good.
- - I think those who attended will agree that it brought a real sense
of unity to our group.
- - Pat Ford, the show organizer, treated us extremely well. We had a
booth, inside (A/C!), right inside the front door. We had the best
location in the entire show. To those who have Pat's number, please
call him and thank him!
- - 350+ brochures given out!
- - Universal agreement from 61-79 list members who attended that Deacon
will be at next year's show, even if we have to tie him to the wing
of a plane! Deacon's presence was sorely missed!
- - Interest from vendors in sponsoring us.
- - We received an award for club participation! Hopefully this is
the first of many! I'm going to scan it in and put it on the
web site. Although it will hang on my wall.... we all deserve it!
- - We really are a first class group, it was really nice that many of
you were able to contribute to the "thank Pat Ford" fund. We had
a really nice engraved glass plaque made for Pat, using the 20th
F100 Supernationals t-shirt design for it with "From Ford Truck
Enthusiasts" on the bottom.
- - Many friendships solidified. The best part, to me, was being
able to finally meet so many of my friends for the first time.
A special thanks to those list members who've been lurkers
who read and are learning but hasn't been active posters. It's
its nice to know that you like us enough to travel to meet
everyone.
- - Parts, parts, parts.... and, you guess it, more parts.
- - Again, Deacon, you had to be there! I made sure I took many
photos of 73-79 trucks to give you a good reason to be there
next year!
- - I think we made a great impression with Pat Ford and let the
world know how nice our members are!

In attendance (let me know if I miss anyone, sorry for any
incorrect spelling):

Stu Varner Kristen Marcellus
Peggy Payne Ken Payne
Keith Srb Stephen Silverthorn
Barry Price Dan Herrmann
John Miller Ken Laffon
John Nioloni Paul Gayda
Jay Arnold Gary Bowling
Jeff Hoffman Jack M Hollback
Alan Akerstrom Hugh LaPenotiere
Michael Lowery Randall Dotson
Ted Freeman Don & Terri Neighbors (Grover!)
oftc choice.net (sorry, but I can't read your writing!)
Clive Pedersen (from New Zealand!) Clare Waterman
Jeff Bogart William G. Wood (Woody)
Brian Forbes Charlie Powell
Derek Hall

To those who've sent me email or have a problem needing to
be resolved, please be patient, I had 1428 emails waiting
for me Sunday night and another 180+ this morning. I will
get around to everything, but its going to take some time.
Please don't send multiple requests, it only makes it harder
on me and the wife.

I wish to take this opportunity to sincerely thank everyone
who attended. I really appreciate it!

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:31:24 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: High Altitude PSD vs. Cubes

> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 01:54:06 -0600
> From: Ryan Dorman
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460
>
[snip] and no the
> 460 will not outpull the powerstroke,It'll keep up (until the load gets
> ridiculous). I have driven both equally loaded up and over an
> 8300 foot mountain pass (13 miles of wich are 8% or steeper grade --Teton
> Pass Wyoming)
> and the powerstroke gets the win everytime...
>
I'll bet a lot of that has to do with the altitude you were at and
under those conditions a turbo will most assuredly come in first if the
grade is long enough. Has to do with the amount of air getting into the
cylinders for the engine to generate power. Put a turbo on that 460 and
under the same circumstances it will smoke the PSD. At sea level they're
more fairly compared (unless of course most of your driving is indeed in the
mountains). No flames please, I love both engines myself. Just giving my 2
cents. Walt
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:42:34 -0600
From: Rick Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bio/Diesel Vs. 460

Len,

Most of the questions you ask boil down to a matter of personal preference.
One comment I'll throw your way, though, is regarding the F350 vs. F250 Crew
Cab configurations.

IF you ever think you might pull a fifth wheel, BUY THE 350!!! The F250 CC
takes length out of the bed, and you'll lose much of the benefit of having a
5th wheel if you pull it with a short-bed.

The hitch has to be set back a bit (vs. right over the wheels in a long
bed), and you CAN hit the cab of the truck with the trailer pretty easily if
you're not paying close attention [on my 350, I'm past 90 degrees when it
gets close - sounds crazy, but if you get stuck you can unhitch, crawl the
truck out, and then hitch up as sharp as 90 degrees to snatch the trailer out].

A buddy of mine bought the 250 for the convenience around town, but was NOT
happy when he hitched up the 5W!

Rick






At 14:30 5/14/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all, this is my first post to the list. I have been lurking for a
>couple of weeks. I hope it's proper to give a short bio before I start
>pickin' yer brains...
>
>Occupation: Technical Editor - Alldata Corporation
>Hobbies: Fishing/Family/Off-Road/Camping
>Vehicle: 87 Bronco 302 EB
>
>I was a professional technician for 12 years before I landed this gig. I
>have had a 4x4 of some sort since I was 16 (37 now). None of them
>remained stock (except the current Bronco). I subscribed to this list in
>hope of finding out more information regarding future purchase.
>
>I am in the market for a BIG truck. Something that I can stick a camper
>on, pull the 22' boat, haul the wife and 2 (hopefully more soon) kids
>around on weekends and commute 25 miles (RT) each day. What I am
>considering is 94-96 F-350 4X4 Crew Cab (4 dr?) with a 7.3l Turbo
>Diesel. Would prefer an A/T, but not opposed to M/T if reliability is an
>issue.
>
>What kind of gas mileage does the Power Stroke get compared to the 460?
>Are there any reliability issues associated with either? Which has the
>most power? Can you get a live axle or TTB only? Manual/locking hubs?
>What's a reasonable California price? Is there anything in particular to
>look out for?
>
>Feel free to drop me a line and thanks a bunch,
>
>Len Voet
>ALLDATA Corporation
>www.RepairShops.com
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Albuquerque, NM'94 F350 4x4 CC
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:27:41 -0800
From: callah S5.hninc.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New License Plates

Thanks for all of you great suggestions for personalized license
plates. Unfortunately most of the good one have already been taken. The
one I decided upon is GRNYGER since my 4-Speed is really a 3-Speed
with a Granny Gear! I went to the DMV on Saturday it cost me $1,199.00
to register my truck. Only $90.00 of that was the personalized plate.
What
a rip off! Thanks again for all the help and great suggestions!

Gary Callahan
'81 F-150 Custom 4x4
(300cid I-6; w/4-speed)

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>>>80-96-list-digest Sunday, May 10 1998 Volume 02 :
>Number 164
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 20:14:19 -0700
>>>From: Gary Callahan
>>>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Personal License Plate?
>>>
>>>
>>>I need everyone's help! After a year of fixing it up my '81 F-150
>>>Custom 4x4 is ready to get a current California Vehicle Registration.


>>>I would like to put personalized plates on it but most of my ideas are
>>>already taken. Please help me come up with something good. I can use
>>>up to seven letters (or letters and numbers) to spell out anything
that
>>>is not obscene of offensive to anyone. You can see a picture of my
>>>truck on the FTE web page in the pictures section. Please help, I
want
>>>to go to the DMV on Thursday (14 May). Send you suggestions to my
work
>>>e-mail address: callah hninc.com. Thanks for you help!
>>>
>>>
>>>Gary Callahan
>>>'81 F-150 Custom 4x4
>>>300cid I-6; w/4-speed
>>>
*****************************************************
Gary Callahan
Holmes & Narver, Inc.
Home Page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hninc.com
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:34:22 -0700
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F250

Hi, I have sent alot of messages about a f250, from asking if i should get one a couple of months ago to what i am asking now. I am now looking for an f250 for my grandfather.

He would like the following:

Ford F-250
under 75,000 miles
under $12,000
good condition
1990 or newer
NO PROBLEMS WITH IT
in the state of DE, PA, NJ, or MD

If anyone thinks i am asking to much or if i should add anything to this list please let me know, also earlier i left a message and everyone asked why a 92 or newer?? He does not want an old truck or car etc. but i have managed to convince him that their is nothing wrong with older trucks so he said 90 or newer.
So if anyone has a truck that would fit his requierments please e-mail me at Scottie.Schmidt mailexcite.com
Once again sorry for the long message:-))

Thanks, Scottie


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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:36:55 -0500
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New License Plates

callah S5.hninc.com wrote:

> ...I went to the DMV on Saturday it cost me $1,199.00
> to register my truck. Only $90.00 of that was the personalized plate.
> What
> a rip off! Thanks again for all the help and great suggestions!
>
> Gary Callahan
> '81 F-150 Custom 4x4
> (300cid I-6; w/4-speed)

DMV? Sounds like California. $1199?? You've gotta be kidding! You need to
move. I did 18 years ago and never looked back.

- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:28:16 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone

Another FTE milestone!

Last week we had our 200,000th visitor on the web site. Our first
100,000 visitors took 11 months, our second 100,000 took less than
4 months!

Thanks everyone!
Ken Payne
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:45:22 -0600
From: Rick Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Seatbelt Strangulation

At 13:14 5/15/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
> Help I'm getting strangled by my seatbelt and shoulder harness! When
>I'm out 4-wheeling in my '81 F-150 Custom my seatbelt gets tighter and
>tighter until it becomes very uncomfortable and movement restricting.
> The ratcheting action of the seatbelt tightener seems to constantly
>engaged. Is there a replacement belt tightener assembly available from
>Ford or someone else? Does anyone have a solution for this?
>
>Gary Callahan
>'81 F-150 Custom 4x4
>(300cid I-6; w/4-speed)
>*****************************************************
>Gary Callahan
>Holmes & Narver, Inc.
>Home Page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hninc.com
>*****************************************************


Gary,

You need to take a trip down to your friendly Ford dealer (I imagine there's
an aftermarket product out there, but I haven't looked)... They have an
accessory for seatbelts used on child safety seats. What you'll get is a
pair of "buckles," which takes care of two shoulder belts. Once "installed"
(just hook 'em on!) you can adjust the belt with some slack in it and limit
it's ability to cinch down. They'll work down every once in awhile so
you'll need to slide them back where you want 'em.

The down side (there's ALWAYS a down side) is that your belts will no longer
retract out of the way when you exit the vehicle - a minor inconvenience in
my book considering the benefit.

rh

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:18:48 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone

At 05:28 PM 5/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Another FTE milestone!
>
>Last week we had our 200,000th visitor on the web site. Our first
>100,000 visitors took 11 months, our second 100,000 took less than
>4 months!
>
>Thanks everyone!
>Ken Payne
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>
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:19:43 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone

EXELLENT!

Have YOU flown a FORD...lately!?!

Bob


At 05:28 PM 5/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Another FTE milestone!
>
>Last week we had our 200,000th visitor on the web site. Our first
>100,000 visitors took 11 months, our second 100,000 took less than
>4 months!
>
>Thanks everyone!
>Ken Payne
>CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts....


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