80-96-list-digest Monday, May 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 176



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - swaybars
FTE 80-96 - gas mileage
FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 F100
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars
FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bar and Specs
FTE 80-96 - RE: Sway Bars
Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine swap woes, HELP!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - swaybars
FTE 80-96 - Lowering Tech/Towing
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1st gear grind
FTE 80-96 - gas mileage
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE Small - Auto Hubs
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck's And All There Problems!!!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE Small - Auto Hubs
FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars (too much)
FTE 80-96 - 2nd Post,please reply. 302 needs more power.

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 04:29:27
From: yhtlines surfari.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - swaybars

My lightweight 2x 95 F150 has sway bars front and rear (street driven) and
those will stay on there. My 95 GMC came with one on the front only, so I
added a rear one to reduce understeer and rear body lean. My son's '88 4X
F150 has none and we are looking for some bars to put on it. The street
weeble, wobble and lurch that it does with no sway bars (new tires, shocks
etc) is not confidence inspiring. Having been away from the off-road scene
for some time, I was not aware that some vehicle type groups (ie jeep)
recommended taking them off. But I remember that Jeep was in a lot of
trouble for their vehicle rolling over on the street (I had a CJ5 and that
damn thing was dangerous!). So if you are going to do some very fancy once
in a lifetime (gotta justify that new winch) crawl over the Rubicon trail,
then you very well may want to disconnect sway bars to get more axle travel
over rocks. BUT, how many of us ever go crawling over 2 and 3 foot high
rocks in continuous repetitiveness?
Dave Lampert

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 04:35:08
From: yhtlines surfari.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - gas mileage

FWIW, some personal truck towing mileage data. I belong to a competitive
boat class, and we tow our 5500# boat/trailer rigs around. I sized my 302
F150 to tow this up and down California a couple of times a year and still
get me excellent gas mileage on other days. I get 10 towing, 17 going to
work and 20+ on the fwy. My 350ci GMC gets 8 or 9 towing the same rig. A
friend with a heavy duty 88 or so F250 DIESEL gets 8 mpg under the same
towing conditions. I imagine he goes up the hill faster than my 302, but
not faster than my 350, as the 350 will maintain speed limit with the load
on the hills I pull.
Dave Lampert

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 05:41:54 -0700
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars

AFAIK,Sway bars were an option from Ford.The vehicles equipped with
towing packages have then as standard equipment.I have then on my Bronco
(front and rear) and love them.This rig doesn't get off-road much,so
maximum suspension articulation is no consideration.The Bronco handles
like a dream in the corners,especially with the quad shock arrangement
up front.If anything was to be improved on it,I'd like a larger diameter
sway bar in the rear,with the rear end dropped about two inches:-)


Randy
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 08:27:38 -0500
From: Danny
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 F100

it sounds more like the rings are shot and you have blowby At 05:10 PM
5/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
>THANKS DAVID BUT HAVE GOOD HOSE. THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT , I BELIEVE I
>MAY HAVE AIR GETTING INTO CRANK CASE FROM BAD GASKET. EVEN WHEN PVC IS
>WORKING AND I REV UP ENGINE, OIL SMOKE COMES OUT OF MY FILLER CAP HOSE.
>THANKS AGAIN FOR THE SUGGESTION THOUGH.
>
>David J. Baldwin wrote:
>
>> Jim wrote:
>>
>> > 1980 F100 4.9L (300CID) Need help: My air filter gets clogged with
>> > oil. The oil comes from the oil filler cap hose to the air filter.
>> >
>> > I have replaced the PCV valve and head gasket but the oil is still
>> > drawn into air filter from filler cap. Is there something common I
>> > should be checking.
>>
>> Perhaps the hose connecting to your PCV valve is plugged?
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Dave Baldwin
>> Dallas, TX
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 09:00:34 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars

Anti-sway bar disconnects are also availabe aftermarket. Gives the
articulation off-road and re-connects to give the the safety of the sway
reduction...

Bob


At 03:34 PM 5/16/98 -0600, you wrote:
>JDavis1277 wrote:
>>
>> No offense meant to anyone, but Ford has some pretty qualified engineers on
>> the payroll. It cost Ford a lot of money to install (anti)sway bars on
your
>> trucks. Trust me, they would not have done it if they didn't think the
truck
>> should have them. They would much rather have put the money into the
profit
>> column. Now, if you really think you know more about what is best for your
>> truck, go ahead. This is America and you are entitled to do stuff like
that.
>> Good luck, Butch Davis-
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>4 Wheeler Magazine has always recomended that you take the anti-sway
>bars off of Jeep Wranglers. This is because they perform better off
>road this way. But they also recomend putting it back on when you go
>back on road.
>So everyone is right. :)
>Ryan
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:35:09 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bar and Specs

>>>>>>>
Casey, If you want to contact me at the address above regarding your
sway bars,you have a buyer if they'll fit my 85 F-250 4x4. Mine gets
off-road abot 10% of the time,and the decreased articulation is no
problem to me.I want to tow with this truck,and would take a little less
body roll over suspension travel anyways. What are the specs on your
truck? Thanks,
>>>>>>>
Humm, very good points on both sides of the issue. I have to replace one
rear leaf spring (down to one leaf on the passenger side) before I can go
and test out the sway bars disconnected offroad. I mostly use the truck as
a daily driver, but I also do enjoy taking it up the logging roads and the
back woods around here. It will take 10-12 weeks for the springs to get
here, (if I can get them orederd on Monday). But I will try the driving on
the highway with them off. For the offroad part, I have to wait. The specs
are 1983 4x4 reg cab, 133 in wb. dana 60-2 (semi floater) and dana 44 IFS
(not sure about the HD or not?)

Thanks,
Casey

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 10:40:28 -0600
From: "Randy Kindler"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Sway Bars

> It cost Ford a lot of money to install (anti)sway bars on your
trucks. Trust me, they would not have done it if they didn't think the
truck
should have them. They would much rather have put the money into the profit
column. Now, if you really think you know more about what is best for your
truck, go ahead. This is America and you are entitled to do stuff like
that.
Good luck, Butch Davis-

Actually, the sway bars wee Optional. They came as part of the handling
package. My '91 F150 with Off-Road package did not have sway bars. Neither
did my '80. My '95 does, though.

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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:17:24 -0700
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine swap woes, HELP!!

Randy wrote:
> This is going to sound like one of those stupid troubleshooting answers you find in > the back of, say, a new VCR manual: Symptom: Will not power up Possible problem: > Is the power cord properly attached to a wall outlet.

To illlustrate just how this can work: My brother-in-law had just
replaced the heads on a 390 ci in one of his wreckers. He had been
trying to get it started for about four hours. I had been standing
there for about an hour. My wife walked up, stood there for about five
minutes and innocently asked if it had any gas in it. The
brother-in-law started to make a smart remark, stopped, turned beet red
and walked over to get a can of gas. Needless to say, after putting a
couple of gallons of gas in, it it started right up. And the
brother-in-law was a professional mechanic.
Paul in Portland OR
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:12:25 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - swaybars

You forgot up mountains, around trees, the occassional mini-van, thru sink
holes, over logs
and last but not least around over or thru snowdrifts (presently there is a 15
foot high snow
drift/cornice accross the "road" to my favorite parking spot (the top of the
mountains around
Pine Creek Pass Idaho)....

So in answer to your Question, I DO...

If your 4x4 lives on the pavement. 1st why is it a 4x4???, 2nd run swaybars
they are intended for pavement pounders....

Pavement is a means to an end for me...

yhtlines surfari.net wrote:

> My lightweight 2x 95 F150 has sway bars front and rear (street driven) and
> those will stay on there. My 95 GMC came with one on the front only, so I
> added a rear one to reduce understeer and rear body lean. My son's '88 4X
> F150 has none and we are looking for some bars to put on it. The street
> weeble, wobble and lurch that it does with no sway bars (new tires, shocks
> etc) is not confidence inspiring. Having been away from the off-road scene
> for some time, I was not aware that some vehicle type groups (ie jeep)
> recommended taking them off. But I remember that Jeep was in a lot of
> trouble for their vehicle rolling over on the street (I had a CJ5 and that
> damn thing was dangerous!). So if you are going to do some very fancy once
> in a lifetime (gotta justify that new winch) crawl over the Rubicon trail,
> then you very well may want to disconnect sway bars to get more axle travel
> over rocks. BUT, how many of us ever go crawling over 2 and 3 foot high
> rocks in continuous repetitiveness?
> Dave Lampert
>
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:34:00 -0600
From: "Victor P. Erwin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Lowering Tech/Towing

I'm about to do a major going through of my recently aquired 90 F-150 and
I'm thinking about lowering it slightly. I've not decided on how much,
either 3" in front and 4" in rear or 2" and 3". I'll likely only go the 2/3
route but have some questions.

I'm planning on going w/Eibachs in front. Is 3" too much for just springs
and not the I-beam? I'm not too concerned if I only go 2", or should I be.

In the rear there's the u-bolts and blocks or shackles. What's the
advantages/disadvantages of one over the other? I'm thinking if I go 3",
I'll be able to go with u-bolts and some extruded blocks and be ok.

As far as the towing, I'm planning on adding the helper bags to the
springs. I'll be towing a car/trailer about 4000#. How do I find out the
bumper's rating? I know many are rated at 800# tongue and 8000# pulling. I
think it's the factory bumper, will it work? The other option is to replace
the bumper with a cool roll pan and add a chassis mounted hitch, but that's
getting to be too much $.


-Vic
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 19:04:00 -0400
From: "Eric"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1st gear grind

I recently had the clutch (pressure plate, throw-out bearing, friction
plate, and slave cylinder) replaced on my '94 Splash with similar results
(this truck has the Mazda R1? tranny). At first it was just a chore to put
it in first gear, then it began to grind, then it wouldn't go in at all
(over about two days - about 70 miles). I took it back to the Ford
dealership, they apologized, gave me a loaner car, and told me that
sometimes the bleeding process could be a bit tricky. Picked it up the next
day and it's been shifting and going into gear smooth as silk for about two
weeks (about 550 miles). Hope this helps.

Eric S. - '94 Splash SC 4x4

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From: Croth2
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Date: Sunday, May 17, 1998 12:18 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1st gear grind


>I have an 89 F-150 4x4 5.0 liter, 5-speed and I recently had the clutch
>replaced. Now if I push in the clutch and try to put it in first it will
>grind and then go in, much like a lot of vehicles when you put them in
>reverse, only worse. It will only do this if I'm going from Neutral to
first,
>I'm not moving, or if I push in the clutch and immediatley attempt to put
it
>in first. It wont grind if i push in the clutch and wait about 5 seconds
and
>then put it in. This is really starting to annoy me, so I wondered if
anybody
>knew what was going on. Any Suggestions?-->Tim
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Date: 17 May 1998 17:11:14 EDT
From: Hawk sktc.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - gas mileage

80>FWIW, some personal truck towing mileage data. I belong to a competitive
80>boat class, and we tow our 5500# boat/trailer rigs around. I sized my 302
80>F150 to tow this up and down California a couple of times a year and still
80>get me excellent gas mileage on other days. I get 10 towing, 17 going to
80>work and 20+ on the fwy. My 350ci GMC gets 8 or 9 towing the same rig. A
80>friend with a heavy duty 88 or so F250 DIESEL gets 8 mpg under the same
80>towing conditions.
80>Dave Lampert


Dave,
Just curious, what tranny and gears do you run in the F150? Any engine
mods?
Buck Shoff

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 19:55:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE Small - Auto Hubs

Hi All;
*Am really interested in what is wrong with auto hubs.* The last
two times I needed help getting un-stuck, I could not get at/reach my
manual hub on one side. So could not, with my open front diff, get out of a
deep muddy/snow hole. Each time I was dressed in my best and got stuck
accidentally, not out wheeling. So I could not dig for the hub.
Well the point is, I guessed auto hubs might be a good thing. ????
Maybe It would be better with a front l-slip or inexpensive locker.??
>In a message dated 5/15/98 10:01:58 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
>showork mail.gwi.net writes:
>
>>ORGINAL POST'
>> I have a '87 4x4 Ranger. Are there auto hubs available for it
>> (front). A guess is ok, or just a company to look into is ok too. Have the
>> stock manuals now.
>>Andrew

>Responce FROM; Mr D Baken (Bakend )
>Why do you want to go to auto hubs? I changed my autos to manual and would
>have given you the autos.
>D Baken


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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:42:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck's And All There Problems!!!!!

At 10:24 PM 5/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>h7819 rea-alp.com wrote:
>
> We have a 97 F 150 that my dad drove before his death it has been in the
> shed for a few months. It only has 21,000 miles on it has been started
> now and then. The lifters are knocking like it going to blow up, also the
> defective Ford lugnuts. I am going to turn 16 this summer and was
> planning to buy a 1994 F 150 or so but if Ford can't even design lugnuts
> that stay on I don't want one of there vehicles in my possesion. My plans
> are to buy a 1993-1994 Chevrolet K 1500 silverado. Does anyone know the
> whole story behind the lugnuts?
> Matt Hemming

The whole story is you obviously believe all the stuff the
media feeds you! 34 trucks out of 1.5 million have
had this problem reported. It all started because of some
reporters looking for dirt and problems where there isn't
one.

Buy the Silverado, and just wait... it'll only be a
matter of time because the trim starts falling about and
the body rattles.


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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:52:42 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE Small - Auto Hubs

It's actually a preference, the missus has an 87 Bronco II EB w/ auto-hubs,
push button 4 WD, power everything. Mine is an 86 Bronco XLT w/warn hubs
and the shifter in the floor. I like mine... she likes hers.

Oh yeah, and occassionally she has to back up about 30 feet to dis-engage
the hubs. Neither truck is lifted (yet) and we take them everywhere.
Memorial Day is soon here...Up to Mt.Rainer for sun (NOT) and fun in the
mud!!!


Bob

At 07:55 PM 5/17/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi All;
>*Am really interested in what is wrong with auto hubs.*
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:59:37 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars (too much)

I unhooked both bars this morning and took a run to town. (if you have ever
driven here, you know the roads suck and have quite steep banks on them..)
The truck sits about 1 1/2 - 2 inches higher than stock, and I was very
uneasy going around corners this morning. I usually slow down about 5 under
the reccommended anyway and this morning I felt as though I would tip on
over even at that speed. I did turn up some tight/steep driveways and it
was great to have them off there, but on the road (which unfortuneatly is
where it is alot) it is just a bit too tipsy for me (it might be better if
at stock height and spring type). Sorry to the guy who was looking at
getting them, I just can't sell them unless I could devote the truck as a
true 4x4 and only use it off the beaten path (i can tell allready they would
be the first thing off if that was the case)

Thanks for not letting me just take them all the way off, I would have been
sorry.

Casey Vandor

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:10:45 -0500
From: Ezekial
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 2nd Post,please reply. 302 needs more power.

I have a couple questions to ask in here.

I have a 1988 F-150 with a 5.0 in it.
I am wanting to know if anyone has put in a Mustang 5.0 chip in their
computer and had good results?? This is a early '88 and uses the truck
block and not the mustang block, 98% sure on that one.

Also my EGR valve is going out and I wonder would this effect my mileage
greatly and any power loss?? Been this way for a good year.

And also I am considering greatly doing a new engine buildup after
summer. I am planning on a 347 stroker with World products heads, trw
aluminum pistons, good quality gaskets and rings, polished and ported
upper intake (if not to much $), bigger lb/hr fuel injectors, high flow
fuel pump, shift kit in tranni or new one (auto), and positrack out back
or a new 9" with 3.2something or 3.50 or 3.55 gears. Also headers and
true dual exhaust with flowmaster mufflers.

Anyone done anything like this?? Pros/cons?? Whats best for the money??
anyone do a good build up that they can share with me?? and cost. Any
help and all help would be VERY appreciated. This would be my first
engine build and want it PERFECT with decent gas mileage while cruising....


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