80-96-list-digest Sunday, May 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 175



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE80-96 F-100
FTE 80-96 - Re: sway bars
FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 F100
FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars
Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bio/Diesel Vs. 460
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck's And All There Problems!!!!!
FTE 80-96 - 1st gear grind
Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine swap woes, HELP!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 F100
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars
FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1st gear grind
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars

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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 05:06:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460

In regard to the comments below, we just change from a 1989 460 to a 1999
Powerstroke. There is a comparison and the diesel moves the same trailer
more easily. The trailer is a 14,000 lb 5th wheel and the total weight is
around 20,500. The 460 simply had less pulling ability.

We also moved from the SRW to a DRW. As someone in this group advised me
earlier, we would not go back to a SRW. The stability and extra weight of
the truck (7200 versus 5700) also adds to stability etc.


At 01:54 AM 5/16/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
>FordboyDZ wrote:
>
>> Lenny,
>> Being a big block fan I guess I'm a little biased.
>> I have a 96 F250HD extended cab 460,auto,{Wish
>> it was a 5 speed} and I will put it up against a
>> diesel any day {Bound to start trouble with diesel
>> fans but big block people know what I'm talking about.}
>>
>
>I was and always will be a big block fan, but the honest truth is that if I
>were to buy a new 250/350 I would have to go for the diesel,, and no the
>460 will not outpull the powerstroke,It'll keep up (until the load gets
>ridiculous). I have driven both equally loaded up and over an
>8300 foot mountain pass (13 miles of wich are 8% or steeper grade --Teton
>Pass Wyoming)
>and the powerstroke gets the win everytime...
>
>> In all fairness to the diesel camp a diesel will get way
>> better fuel mileage & longevity, but a 460 will pull a hill
>> with a load much more faster Also I could quality rebuild
>> my 460 2 to 3 times for the option price of a diesel.
>> In my humble opinion,if your going to tow everyday go
>> with a diesel,but if your a vacationer go with a 460.
>> Also I think an extended cab will give you the most
>> room per $ {seats up to 6 depending on options} and
>> I get an honest 13 to14 mpg highway[not towing}
>> Hope this helps,
>> Dave Zarnesky
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 06:13:39 -0700
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE80-96 F-100

Jim,sounds like the blowby may be excessive and in greater quantity than
the crankcase ventilation system can handle.Generally,this means rings
are about shot(sorry) and the engine needs rebuilding.Do like the
previous list member suggested and perform a compression test on it and
compare what you have to what you should have.How many miles do you have
on it? Do you have oil leaks elsewhere on the engine?Excessive crankcase
pressure can cause them,too.


Randy
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 06:20:52 -0700
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: sway bars

Casey, If you want to contact me at the address above regarding your
sway bars,you have a buyer if they'll fit my 85 F-250 4x4. Mine gets
off-road abot 10% of the time,and the decreased articulation is no
problem to me.I want to tow with this truck,and would take a little less
body roll over suspension travel anyways. What are the specs on your
truck? Thanks,


Randy
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:10:58 EDT
From: JDavis1277
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars

No offense meant to anyone, but Ford has some pretty qualified engineers on
the payroll. It cost Ford a lot of money to install (anti)sway bars on your
trucks. Trust me, they would not have done it if they didn't think the truck
should have them. They would much rather have put the money into the profit
column. Now, if you really think you know more about what is best for your
truck, go ahead. This is America and you are entitled to do stuff like that.
Good luck, Butch Davis-
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:07:04 -0700
From: Jim Allen
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 F100

Thanks for the info Bob I am going to do as you suggest.

Robert Kennedy wrote:

> My .02,
>
> There could be a couple of reasons for the blow by:
> 1. Could be a good time to run a compression test and see if all cylinders
> are coming in at a good ratio.
>
> Is the truck running smoothly?
>
> 2. If a valve is not seating correctly, compression will blow by the valve
> and great pressure under the valve cover.
>
> 3. If the oil paths are blocked on the head, oil will build up and be
> sucked into the PCV valve. It would not take a lot of this type of blockage
> to create the oiling prob.
>
> A few to think about....there are quite a few sharp folks out here.
> I'm sure you'll get more info...
>
> Bob
>
> At 05:10 PM 5/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >THANKS DAVID BUT HAVE GOOD HOSE. THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT , I BELIEVE I
> >MAY HAVE AIR GETTING INTO CRANK CASE FROM BAD GASKET. EVEN WHEN PVC IS
> >WORKING AND I REV UP ENGINE, OIL SMOKE COMES OUT OF MY FILLER CAP HOSE.
> >THANKS AGAIN FOR THE SUGGESTION THOUGH.
> >
> >David J. Baldwin wrote:
> >
> >> Jim wrote:
> >>
> >> > 1980 F100 4.9L (300CID) Need help: My air filter gets clogged with
> >> > oil. The oil comes from the oil filler cap hose to the air filter.
> >> >
> >> > I have replaced the PCV valve and head gasket but the oil is still
> >> > drawn into air filter from filler cap. Is there something common I
> >> > should be checking.
> >>
> >> Perhaps the hose connecting to your PCV valve is plugged?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Dave Baldwin
> >> Dallas, TX
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 14:52:46 EDT
From: FordboyDZ
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460

Ryan,
To be totally honest, I never had the opportunity to drive
one of the new Powerstrokes, but if its in a Ford its got
to be allright.I guess I've passed so many Dodge/Cummins{fact}
in the mountains over here that I've become jaded.It is just tuff
for me to justify the cost and extra maintenance that goes
with them,but then again I never owned one.
C'ya
Dave

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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:34:08 -0600
From: Ryan Penner
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars

JDavis1277 wrote:
>
> No offense meant to anyone, but Ford has some pretty qualified engineers on
> the payroll. It cost Ford a lot of money to install (anti)sway bars on your
> trucks. Trust me, they would not have done it if they didn't think the truck
> should have them. They would much rather have put the money into the profit
> column. Now, if you really think you know more about what is best for your
> truck, go ahead. This is America and you are entitled to do stuff like that.
> Good luck, Butch Davis-
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4 Wheeler Magazine has always recomended that you take the anti-sway
bars off of Jeep Wranglers. This is because they perform better off
road this way. But they also recomend putting it back on when you go
back on road.
So everyone is right. :)
Ryan
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:17:32 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars

Interesting, I was under the impression that the DOT forced Ford to add swaybars
to certain models (on Bronco's they are a mandatory factory item (no law against
removeing them yet))
None of my friends F-150 long box 4x4's came with swaybars. Ford didn't willingly
design
them in the DOT required them to... Thats why a lift for an F-150 has 1 1/2"
taller springs
than a lift for a Bronco (the Bronco has 1 1/2 spacer blocks under the springs in
order to
clear the swaybar mounts)...

JDavis1277 wrote:

> No offense meant to anyone, but Ford has some pretty qualified engineers on
> the payroll. It cost Ford a lot of money to install (anti)sway bars on your
> trucks. Trust me, they would not have done it if they didn't think the truck
> should have them. They would much rather have put the money into the profit
> column. Now, if you really think you know more about what is best for your
> truck, go ahead. This is America and you are entitled to do stuff like that.
> Good luck, Butch Davis-
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:21:55 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460

No problem. I've had the misspleasure of driving a dog hold on I'm a coming
turtle choke&smoke
over the same pass, not an enjoyable drive...

FordboyDZ wrote:

> Ryan,
> To be totally honest, I never had the opportunity to drive
> one of the new Powerstrokes, but if its in a Ford its got
> to be allright.I guess I've passed so many Dodge/Cummins{fact}
> in the mountains over here that I've become jaded.It is just tuff
> for me to justify the cost and extra maintenance that goes
> with them,but then again I never owned one.
> C'ya
> Dave
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Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:59:14 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bio/Diesel Vs. 460

Sounds like one sweet machine you plan to get. I've heard (not on the
list) conflicting mpg reports on the 460 and PSD and have concluded
that they get ABOUT the same mileage. So I guess it comes down to
preferences, like tons of low-end torque for the diesel and such. The
F-350's came with straight Dana/Spicer 60 front axles after 85 (or
86?) so you won't be bothered w/the TTB axles. That's all that I can
help you with for now, let us know about the new rig.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Voet, Lenny wrote:
>
> Hi all, this is my first post to the list. I have been lurking for a
> couple of weeks. I hope it's proper to give a short bio before I start
> pickin' yer brains...
>
> Occupation: Technical Editor - Alldata Corporation
> Hobbies: Fishing/Family/Off-Road/Camping
> Vehicle: 87 Bronco 302 EB
>
> I was a professional technician for 12 years before I landed this gig. I
> have had a 4x4 of some sort since I was 16 (37 now). None of them
> remained stock (except the current Bronco). I subscribed to this list in
> hope of finding out more information regarding future purchase.
>
> I am in the market for a BIG truck. Something that I can stick a camper
> on, pull the 22' boat, haul the wife and 2 (hopefully more soon) kids
> around on weekends and commute 25 miles (RT) each day. What I am
> considering is 94-96 F-350 4X4 Crew Cab (4 dr?) with a 7.3l Turbo
> Diesel. Would prefer an A/T, but not opposed to M/T if reliability is an
> issue.
>
> What kind of gas mileage does the Power Stroke get compared to the 460?
> Are there any reliability issues associated with either? Which has the
> most power? Can you get a live axle or TTB only? Manual/locking hubs?
> What's a reasonable California price? Is there anything in particular to
> look out for?
>
> Feel free to drop me a line and thanks a bunch,
>
> Len Voet
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:03:38 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck's And All There Problems!!!!!

"That's a d*mn shame when people be throwing away a perfectly good
truck like that". Don't let that bad boy rot away in the barn, get
that thing out and drive it for a month, you WILL reconsider getting
that Ch*vy...on second thought, how much do you want for it? :)
Later,
Randy (Brew)

"Nothing runs like a Ch*vy....and nothing WANTS to....hehehehehehe"

h7819 rea-alp.com wrote:
>
> We have a 97 F 150 that my dad drove before his death it has been in the
> shed for a few months. It only has 21,000 miles on it has been started
> now and then. The lifters are knocking like it going to blow up, also the
> defective Ford lugnuts. I am going to turn 16 this summer and was
> planning to buy a 1994 F 150 or so but if Ford can't even design lugnuts
> that stay on I don't want one of there vehicles in my possesion. My plans
> are to buy a 1993-1994 Chevrolet K 1500 silverado. Does anyone know the
> whole story behind the lugnuts?
> Matt Hemming
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:09:29 EDT
From: Croth2
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1st gear grind

I have an 89 F-150 4x4 5.0 liter, 5-speed and I recently had the clutch
replaced. Now if I push in the clutch and try to put it in first it will
grind and then go in, much like a lot of vehicles when you put them in
reverse, only worse. It will only do this if I'm going from Neutral to first,
I'm not moving, or if I push in the clutch and immediatley attempt to put it
in first. It wont grind if i push in the clutch and wait about 5 seconds and
then put it in. This is really starting to annoy me, so I wondered if anybody
knew what was going on. Any Suggestions?-->Tim
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:21:16 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine swap woes, HELP!!

Michael,
Can you 'hear' a humm from the starter when engaged? You mentioned it
sounded like it was engaging, but there might not be enough amperage
to produce enough torque. As posted you should be able to turn the
crank by hand! The only trick is finding a place to grip somewhere.
The harmonic balancer is usually a good place to start since the
flywheel usually disappears into the bellhousing leaving almost no
place to get a firm hold. This is going to sound like one of those
stupid troubleshooting answers you find in the back of, say, a new VCR
manual: Symptom: Will not power up Possible problem: Is the
power cord properly attached to a wall outlet.
DUH!, but here it goes anyway, are you sure the battery is fully
charged, or at least enough to produce enough amperage to torque the
starter. If ALL else fails and you just cannot get the starter to
turn the motor, I would try one more thing (albeit expensive....tell
that to the wife). You can by a high-torque starter and see if the
gear reduction is enough to help. I know kind of lame advice in this
post Mike, but it's late and that's the best I can come up w/for now.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Michael Melson wrote:
>
> I've dropped an '89 5.0 HO into my '90 F-150, to replace the oil
> burning and leaking 5.0. Everything is together, but the starter won't
> turn the flywheel, I can however spin the flywheel w/ a pry bar.
> The '89 5.0 HO is out of a Mustang GT w/ std trans, the truck is an
> auto. The flywheel and starter are from the '90 5.0, the starter also
> works when bench tested.
> It sounds like the starter engages, but does not spin. I'm thinking
> it's not hitting the flywheel correctly, but I'm not sure.
> If anyone can offer some insight into what the problem may be, I would
> be greatly appreciative. At this point I'm way over budget, and the wife
> is getting a little annoyed by the constant trips to the parts store.
>
> --
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:24:10 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 F100

Jim,
I noticed this on my 351W too. But my air filter box has a small
separate filter where the hose enters to catch the oil. It looks kind
of like a scouring pad I guess and just drops into the retainer slot
on the inside of the air box.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Jim wrote:
>
> 1980 F100 4.9L (300CID) Need help: My air filter gets clogged with
> oil. The oil comes from the oil filler cap hose to the air filter.
>
> I have replaced the PCV valve and head gasket but the oil is still
> drawn into air filter from filler cap. Is there something common I
> should be checking.
>
> Thanks for any help on this problem.
>
> Jim
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:38:25 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars

I guess some food for thought here would be:
If the ANTI-sway bars weren't necessary, why is there ANY market at
all for sway bar disconnect kits??? In other words EVERY wheeler
would simply remove the bars rather than spend the money on a kit,
right? Articulation off-road is what every 'wheeler desires, but you
don't want to take any risks on the other end like that one day next
month (after you're removed the bars) when you load the truck up
w/some stone to take to your buddies house and the truck suddenly
reminds you of some purpose for those bars. Or on the next foggy
night when that curve sneaks up on you and you have to make a turn
like, right now! A good test here would be to remove the links from
the bar ends to the suspension and see what happens before you go
unbolting everything. If you do decide to remove them, keep the list
posted as to any improvements or side effects.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

JDavis1277 wrote:
>
> No offense meant to anyone, but Ford has some pretty qualified engineers on
> the payroll. It cost Ford a lot of money to install (anti)sway bars on your
> trucks. Trust me, they would not have done it if they didn't think the truck
> should have them. They would much rather have put the money into the profit
> column. Now, if you really think you know more about what is best for your
> truck, go ahead. This is America and you are entitled to do stuff like that.
> Good luck, Butch Davis-
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:30:13 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars

Ok, I was worried that the sway bar was part of the 44 IFS setup, didn't
want to take out a key piece so to say...

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:38:50 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1st gear grind

You use granny gear for everyday driving??? Try starting out in 2nd gear if your
not hauling
allot of wieght..

"Montra of the T-18" "A 3 speed manual with a tree climbing gear thrown in for
fun."

The same basic concept holds true for the five speed..

Croth2 wrote:

> I have an 89 F-150 4x4 5.0 liter, 5-speed and I recently had the clutch
> replaced. Now if I push in the clutch and try to put it in first it will
> grind and then go in, much like a lot of vehicles when you put them in
> reverse, only worse. It will only do this if I'm going from Neutral to first,
> I'm not moving, or if I push in the clutch and immediatley attempt to put it
> in first. It wont grind if i push in the clutch and wait about 5 seconds and
> then put it in. This is really starting to annoy me, so I wondered if anybody
> knew what was going on. Any Suggestions?-->Tim
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:50:42 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sway Bars

Sway bar disconnects are becoming more common due to state/local regulations
dictating that
regardless of lift you must keep the sway bars attached and functional when
operating on pavement. (it's easier to install disconnects than pulling the 2 bolts
and zip tying it up out of the way.)

Your driving a 4x4, if you use a little common sense in your driving approach it
isn't a major
problem...

Also realize that the longer the wheelbase the less noticeable the lack of sway bars
becomes..
(I drive an 85 Bronco, and having the sway bar disconnected doesn't bother me)

Randy wrote:

> I guess some food for thought here would be:
> If the ANTI-sway bars weren't necessary, why is there ANY market at
> all for sway bar disconnect kits??? In other words EVERY wheeler
> would simply remove the bars rather than spend the money on a kit,
> right? Articulation off-road is what every 'wheeler desires, but you
> don't want to take any risks on the other end like that one day next
> month (after you're removed the bars) when you load the truck up
> w/some stone to take to your buddies house and the truck suddenly
> reminds you of some purpose for those bars. Or on the next foggy
> night when that curve sneaks up on you and you have to make a turn
> like, right now! A good test here would be to remove the links from
> the bar ends to the suspension and see what happens before you go
> unbolting everything. If you do decide to remove them, keep the list
> posted as to any improvements or side effects.
> Later,
> Randy (Brew)
>
> JDavis1277 wrote:
> >
> > No offense meant to anyone, but Ford has some pretty qualified engineers on
> > the payroll. It cost Ford a lot of money to install (anti)sway bars on your
> > trucks. Trust me, they would not have done it if they didn't think the truck
> > should have them. They would much rather have put the money into the profit
> > column. Now, if you really think you know more about what is best for your
> > truck, go ahead. This is America and you are entitled to do stuff like that.
> > Good luck, Butch Davis-
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