80-96-list-digest Tuesday, May 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 166



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge pavillion
FTE 80-96 - 5.0HO for sale
FTE 80-96 - basic questions
RE: FTE 80-96 - paint
RE: FTE 80-96 - Personal License Plate?
FTE 80-96 - A/C problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - A/C problems
FTE 80-96 - oil leak
FTE 80-96 - Re: Diesel Repower
FTE 80-96 - Ford Excursion?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Nerf Bar suggestions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Personal License Plate?
FTE 80-96 - Dodge List?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Personal License Plate?
FTE 80-96 - Power wanted
RE: FTE 80-96 - Dodge List?

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 7:06 -0600
From: "Chad D. Cassetty"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge pavillion

I've never been to this show. Do they have a class for us late-model
F'ers??

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne [SMTP:80-96-list ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Saturday 4:52 PM
To: pre61-list; 61-79-list; 80-96-list; 97up-list; small-list
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge pavillion


Need a quick informal poll of who (of the people going to the
F100 Supernationals) would be interested in meeting Sunday
morning (16th) for a breakfast before everyone leaves the
show? Everyone would bring their own stuff, perhaps stop at
McDonalds or Dunkin Donuts. Gary Bowling, one of the 61-79
list members, may be able to get us a pavillion on Sunday
morning. If we can get enough people interested (10+) then
we'll do it. How does a 9:00am get-together sound?

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 7:59 -0600
From: "Chad D. Cassetty"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5.0HO for sale

Well, I haven't had time to swap in my 5.0, so I'm going to sell it. (I
could use the $$, anyway.) It's a 302 from an 89 Mustang, 34,000 miles.
It was pulled a few years back in favor of a stroker. The motor has
been stored in a climate-controlled garage since, and has been turned 1/4
turn once a week to prevent weak valve springs. It is complete (MAF, TB,
etc) except for a distributor, main harness, and computer. $1100. Any
takers?

Regards,
Chad Cassetty
Bowling Green, KY
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:17:51 -0600
From: "Victor P. Erwin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - basic questions

I apologize for my lack of knowledge concerning my truck, but I don't have
any documentation on it and have never much paid any attention to them.

Like I admitted in my first post, I've not ever considered myself a "truck"
guy, put every time I drive it, I like it more and more. This is where my
lack of knowledge comes in with trucks, although I know a good bit more
than average about the 5.0 Stangs.

The truck's a 90 F-150 long bed standard cab, 302 EFI and AOD, all
dreadfully stock.
Questions are:
Which AOD do I have?
What where the factory available gears?
What's the hp and torque rating?

Thanks. I do eventually plan to buy a Helms for it.

Future plans are:
FMS springs and shackles
good shocks
MAS conversion
347 stroker (built for torque, not hp)
LS differential
a little quicker gearing
rebuilt tranny w/shift kit and good converter
nice sterio
and I've got to do something about those pawpaw whitewalls :^)


Thanks again for any info


-Vic
www.webdigs.com


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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:38:53 -0500
From: Sean Winters
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - paint

Hey Blaine,
You are best to go with a air powered DA sander if you own a compressor.
If not a electric jitterbug sander will suffice for stripping but it
will leave surface scratches that will need to be removed by hand
sanding.

Start with about 80 grit to remove the rust and old paint. Once you have
it cleared, correct any imperfections in the metal and then sand with
150 then 200 grit. Use compressed air and plain water to remove the dust
then immediately dry it. Follow that up with a primer coat. Provided you
have access to a compressor, use a good lacquer based etching primer to
seal the metal; it sands wonderfully. Much better than most of the
compressed can stuff. Wet sand with 400 grit then prime it again. You're
ready to rock.

My son and I did this about a month ago. Pulled the hood off the truck
and set it on saw horses in the garage...MUCH easier that way. I'm
putting the color on this weekend. Wish me luck!

If there are any paint/body people on the list, please show yourself!!!
I have some questions of my own.

Sean Winters

- -----Original Message-----
From: Batst bmw [mailto:Batstbmw aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 1998 5:47 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - paint


I have some surface rust on the hood and roof of my truck. Its sun
damage from
16 years in arizona. now its in KY. so i need to sand and primer these
areas.
What type of sander is recommended, and what about grit options?
Thans, Blaine in KY.
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:17:50 -0400
From: "Chad Royse"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Personal License Plate?

How about BGDMTRK. That may be a little too hard to get. How about,
YOUR_INITITIALS FORD. Maybe MUDBAIT. Or CHVYKLR.

What ever you decide on, post it! I doubt I'm in Cali iany time soon to see
first hand.

Chad

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[mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Gary Callahan
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 1998 11:14 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Personal License Plate?


I need everyones help! After a year of fixing it up my '81 F-150
Custom 4x4 is ready to get a current California Vehicle Registration. I
would like to put personalized plates on it but most of my ideas are
already taken. Please help me come up with something good. I can use
up to seven letters (or letters and numbers) to spell out anything that
is not obscene of offensive to anyone. You can see a picture of my
truck on the FTE web page in the pictures section. Please help, I want
to go to the DMV on Thursday (14 May). Send you suggestions to my work
e-mail address: callah hninc.com. Thanks for you help!

Gary Callahan
'81 F-150 Custom 4x4
300cid I-6; w/4-speed
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael_Skerrett ccmail.orl.lmco.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - A/C problems

Well, it must be summertime again, the A/C on my '92 F-150 5.0L XLT is
not working up to peak again. Last summer I had the compressor,
dryer, expansion valve and associated hoses replaced, and the system
recharged. Seemed to work well through December until it cooled down
a little. The truck stayed parked for 8 weeks in March & April while
recovering from back surgery, now I can not get the air cold in the
cab. Last summer frost would form on the hoses near where the lines
entered the cab going to the evaporator, now those lines are barely
cool. Also the lines out of the compressor and into the condenser (in
front of the radiator) are very hot to the touch. When I first start
the truck and turn on the A/C the compressor short-cycles going on for
about 10 seconds and then off for about 10 seconds. It keeps this
cycling for about 5 minutes, and then the compressor seems to run
continuously.

Did I lose my freon charge while the truck was idle? Do these
symptoms mean anything to those A/C experts on the list? I don't mind
taking the truck to the shop to be repaired, I just don't want to be
stuck with a bill for a lot of work that may not need to be done. If
I could focus the work my wallet will feel better.

Hope someone can assist, thanks.
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:49:25 -0400
From: "Bruce A. Ramirez"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - A/C problems

Hi Michael,

First, if the hoses are freezing-up to the evaporator, then the system
was most likely undercharged.
Second, I always run the compressor for a short time each week to keep
all the seals well lubricates. this will help prevent leaks.
Third, Short cycling is caused by a serious undercharge. It sounds like
your system is low again. Have a qualified technician evacuate your
system and have him pull a vacuum down to 29 inches of mercury for no
less than 45 minutes, then let the system sit for 20 minutes. If the
needle on the vacuum gauge doesn't move during the 20 minute period,
then your system is tight and you won't have any leaks.

Bruce Ramirez,
1991 F-150 4X4

P.S. My system has never needed a charge and I am the original owner.

Michael_Skerrett ccmail.orl.lmco.com wrote:
>
> Well, it must be summertime again, the A/C on my '92 F-150 5.0L XLT is
> not working up to peak again. Last summer I had the compressor,
> dryer, expansion valve and associated hoses replaced, and the system
> recharged. Seemed to work well through December until it cooled down
> a little. The truck stayed parked for 8 weeks in March & April while
> recovering from back surgery, now I can not get the air cold in the
> cab. Last summer frost would form on the hoses near where the lines
> entered the cab going to the evaporator, now those lines are barely
> cool. Also the lines out of the compressor and into the condenser (in
> front of the radiator) are very hot to the touch. When I first start
> the truck and turn on the A/C the compressor short-cycles going on for
> about 10 seconds and then off for about 10 seconds. It keeps this
> cycling for about 5 minutes, and then the compressor seems to run
> continuously.
>
> Did I lose my freon charge while the truck was idle? Do these
> symptoms mean anything to those A/C experts on the list? I don't mind
> taking the truck to the shop to be repaired, I just don't want to be
> stuck with a bill for a lot of work that may not need to be done. If
> I could focus the work my wallet will feel better.
>
> Hope someone can assist, thanks.
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:20:55 -0700
From: "Leo Mosley"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - oil leak

One thing you may want to check is the outer 3 valve cover hold-down bolts.
After changing the valve cover gaskets on my 87 F-150, 302, I found that oil was
building up on top of the valve cover flange (and eventually leaking over). I
found that the threads on the outer bolts were wet, so I put some gasket sealer
on each bolt and put them back in (I wonder if these bolt holes are open to an
oil passage somewhere). Anyway, I also had a leak coming from the same area as
you. It seems to have gone away.
Leo

I've got a '91 f-150 supercab with 5.0 aod, 4x2. It's got 170,000
miles on it (Still runs like a bat out of hell, by the way). It leaks
oil, looks like it's coming from where the engine meets the
transmission. Before you say rear main, I've already changed that.
Also changed both valve covers and intake manifold gasket, still
leaks. Pcv has been changed also.


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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:45:03 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Diesel Repower

I had the same thought, but if I ever buy a *new* truck it would be loaded,
none of this bare bones stock stuff. The reason for the diesel, in my mind,
was the fact that I just love the way my dads drives, and, as was said on
another list, the smile could not be wiped off my face after the swap is
complete. It is going to be lots of work, and I will to fix up the old
dodge so it roadworthy and I can drive around while I work on my Ford. I
really love the truck, except the engine. I have done some looking, and
from what I figure, I will be spending about 14-16 thousand? all said and
done. I could be way off in my calcs, but I would have truck I really love
instead of a fat bill every month paying for that beautiful '97 loaded F-350
crew cab on the lot.... Still interested in what type of tranny (manual)
and t-case I should be looking for though.

Casey


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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:46:28 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford Excursion?

Does anybody have any websites with pics of the prototype or new Excursion
(big suburban thing) supposed to be coming out? I would be interested in
seeing it.

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:15:11 EDT
From: Lt 4x4
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Nerf Bar suggestions

I don't know about Westin bars but, Smittybuilt has 2 types out. One is the
traditional chrome that mounts to the frame and the other is a stainless stell
that mounts to the body mounts. Word is the body mount is pretty sturdy, but
I like the idea of the frame mounts. I have a 97 F-350 CC, PSD and I plan on
getting the smittybuilt. I saw a set of Westin bars today and it looks like
they stick out more than the smittybuilt. Don't know if that's true or not,
just my observation.

Good luck.

In a message dated 5/8/98 8:23:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Bret.Shivers kla-
tencor.com writes:


It is deep blue with white down the middle.
I was thinking of maybe Smittybilt sure steps in black for $170.00.
I have seen some Westins' in black that look OK. Anyone have any
recommendations or photos? I don't want anything that sticks way out
from the truck or that hangs very low, just something that gives good
sidebody protection and a bit of a step for passengers!

Thanks,
Bret >>
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:23:18 EDT
From: Lt 4x4
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Personal License Plate?

I'm a BIG Home Improvement fan. My plate reads BINFORD.

Jeff
97 F350, CC, PSD 4x4
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:57:41 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Dodge List?

Forwarded for David Anderson :


No, I'm not switching to a Dodge truck. But I have to keep up
maintenance on my wife's minivan also. Anyone know of a list like this
for Dodge? (I know FTE is the ruling list, but something close.)

David

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:52:28 +0000
From: punk007 juno.com (Mason D)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Personal License Plate?

I'm thinking about getting mine shtbox, or fylth77 (one of those
disfunctional teen things)

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:50:38 -0500
From: Ezekial
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Power wanted

I have a couple questions to ask in here.

I have a 1988 F-150 with a 5.0 in it.
I am wanting to know if anyone has put in a Mustang 5.0 chip in their
computer and had good results?? This is a early '88 and uses the truck
block and not the mustang block, 98% sure on that one.

And also I am considering greatly doing a new engine buildup after
summer. I am planning on a 347 stroker with World products heads, trw
aluminum pistons, good quality gaskets and rings, polished and ported
upper intake (if not to much $), bigger lb/hr fuel injectors, high flow
fuel pump, shift kit in tranni or new one (auto), and positrack out back
or a new 9" with 3.2something or 3.50 or 3.55 gears. Also headers and
true dual exhaust with flowmaster mufflers.

Anyone done anything like this?? Pros/cons?? Whats best for the money??
anyone do a good build up that they can share with me?? and cost. Any
help and all help would be VERY appreciated. This would be my first
engine build and want it PERFECT with decent gas mileage while cruising
and SUPER performance to blow away those pesky chevys and beat me.
Thank you,
Derrick Davis
Reply here or to my email- derrick galstar.com
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:57:03 -0400
From: "Christian J Hedemark II"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Dodge List?

Yeah I started it in 1995. I passed the torch in 1996 when I realized what
a peice of crap I had bought into. Check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rswilson.com for
the current instructions for the "ramtruck" mailing list.


Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Payne
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 10:58 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Dodge List?
>
>
> Forwarded for David Anderson :
>
>
> No, I'm not switching to a Dodge truck. But I have to keep up
> maintenance on my wife's minivan also. Anyone know of a list
> like this
> for Dodge? (I know FTE is the ruling list, but something close.)
>
> David
>
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