80-96-list-digest Saturday, May 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 163



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - leeky oil
RE: FTE 80-96 - exhaust
FTE 80-96 - Lost mail
Re: FTE 80-96 - leeky oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-250
FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Routing
FTE 80-96 - Nerf Bar suggestions
FTE 80-96 - RE: Front Differential... & Engine Change
FTE 80-96 - Re: Engine Change
Re: FTE 80-96 - Nerf Bar suggestions
FTE 80-96 - Re: F-250 Farm Truck
FTE 80-96 - RE: Ken's rebuilt carb problems
FTE 80-96 - oil leak
RE: FTE 80-96 - oil leak
FTE 80-96 - transmission oil for cold weather
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Ken's rebuilt carb problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - oil leak
FTE 80-96 - Truck Beds

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 06:32:36 EDT
From: Mad Poodle
Subject: FTE 80-96 - leeky oil

I changed my 93 F250 to Amsoil 70k miles. For the first 5k miles, I thought
I was gonna die! No leaks visible, but sucked a qt. every 3 - 400 miles. At
these prices, was starting to hurt. Truck never used oil b4, so I have no
explanation. Finally, it settled down and now uses a qt. every 1.5k miles or
so. Have noticed a marked improvement in fuel economy, and it runs cooler now
with the Amsoil. We have a small fleet of trucks, and have now converted all
of them to Amsoil. So far, we love it. The extended oil change intervals are
great.
One of the reasons I switched all our trucks was that a couple years ago I
started overseeing the fleet. I decided to review the maintenance records of
our three shops, and discovered one shop had less engine problems than the
other two. The only difference I was able to see was the synthetic oil. So, we
are now about a year and a half into the experiment, and so far, sold!

my .02, your mileage may vary......

Scott

92 F250 S/C 351
93 Bronco XLT, 351
Liter: Small electrical device you take out so you can plug the radar detector
in
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 17:11 -0600
From: "Chad D. Cassetty"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - exhaust

Hey there!

Whereabouts in Kentucky are you?

Chad
Bowling Green



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What do you think about Dynomax mufflers?
My truck has a 400 in it,and has glass-pak mufflers.
What are the down side to them. Cost is a real concern since it is dual
exhaust,
but i really want a good sound.
Thanks for your help, Blaine in KY.
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Date: 8 May 98 09:37:33 -0500
From: "Todd Johnston"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Lost mail

Hi People
Everyone looking forward to the upcoming weekend.
I sent a message yesterday about a second battery installation and i got a
couple of returns on the subject but one of them got lost dew to my e-mail
couldn,t handle all the postings. If possiblr the person who wrote a message
titled sec.bat.installation.inst. could you either resend it to the list or try
to send it to me directly todd_johnston sony.ca
If anyone could help i would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks Again
Todd
Bronco Bustin
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 09:49:16 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - leeky oil

At 06:32 AM 5/8/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I changed my 93 F250 to Amsoil 70k miles. For the first 5k miles, I thought
>I was gonna die! No leaks visible, but sucked a qt. every 3 - 400 miles. At
>these prices, was starting to hurt. Truck never used oil b4, so I have no
>explanation. Finally, it settled down and now uses a qt. every 1.5k miles or
>so. Have noticed a marked improvement in fuel economy, and it runs cooler now
>with the Amsoil. We have a small fleet of trucks, and have now converted all
>of them to Amsoil. So far, we love it. The extended oil change intervals are
>great.

I'm curious, at the price of Amsoil, how much are you coming ahead
or falling behind with the milage increase. Perhaps the reason your
milage has gone up is because you're using Amsoil has extra fuel!

What about using Model 1 with an extended change interval?



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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 08:05:46 -0600
From: David McDonald
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-250

Tristan McCann wrote:
>
> ---Chris Hedemark wrote:

> > hood to a 94. That said, you can get an 87-ish truck for MUCH
> cheaper,
> > partially because they weren't very pretty trucks (shaped roughly
> like a
> > brick with about as many curves).
> >
>
> Heyhey, don't say that...I think the 87 truck is about the nicest
> looking truck, if it's in good condition. I have an fire-engine red
> F-150 4x4 5.0 liter and the body is the nicest I've seen in a while.
>
> ==
> Tristan McCann
> York, Maine, USA


I couldn't agree more... I've got a '90 F250 and it looks like a solid
truck rather than the squishy jelly bean lookin imitations they're
pumpin out now :^)

Dave McDonald
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:50:04 -0400
From: Andrew T Vincitore
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Routing

Hi Folks,

I've been on this list for a while now. I have a question about
another of my toys. My 1972 Starcraft motorhome on a Dodge Chassis with t=
he
413 truck motor.(Sorry Ford wasn't building M-home stuff back then) I wan=
t
to improve the exhaust efficiency and am familier with the basics of that=
=2E
What I don't quite get is the best way to route a single exhaust to avoid=

fumes entering the windows. Now this thing is like a brick aerodynamicly =
so
it creates some strange air patterns around it. Also limiting it is the
available choices underneath what with the various tanks and plumbing etc=
=2E
What I think I'd like to do is have it exit in front of the right rear
wheel. This would provide a shorter exhaust and what I hope would be enou=
gh
of a disturbance air-wise to disipate the fumes. Anybody got any BTDT's?
All help much appreciated.

Andrew
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:21:24 -0700
From: "Shivers, Bret"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Nerf Bar suggestions

I'm looking to put a set of nerf bars on my 97 4X4 Powerstroke Supercab.
It is deep blue with white down the middle.
I was thinking of maybe Smittybilt sure steps in black for $170.00.
I have seen some Westins' in black that look OK. Anyone have any
recommendations or photos? I don't want anything that sticks way out
from the truck or that hangs very low, just something that gives good
sidebody protection and a bit of a step for passengers!

Thanks,
Bret
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:31:50 -0700
From: Steve Faust
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Front Differential... & Engine Change

Randy & Sven:

Another resource that you may want to try (thanks to Rick for this one)
is contacting Ford Customer Service at 800-392-3673. Have your VIN handy
and they can check/verify the model and major components originally
shipped on your truck. I tried this to confirm a couple of things, the
rep told me that he didn't have the information available in front of
him (my truck is an '88) but that someone from their research department
would call we next week -- I'll let you know what they come up with when
they call.

Steve Faust
'88 F-250

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:25:25 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Engine Change

>From: Sven Setterdahl
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Re: Engine Change
>
>My info, Standard Catalog of American Light-Duty Trucks,
>show the '80 F100 did have available 4x4. The 351 was
>available in '80 but not in the F100. I don't know how picky
>they are on that.

Yo Sven:

Our references seem to disagree. According to my books, 1976 was the last
year the F100 was available with 4x4. After that, the F150 was the
lightest F-series w/ 4x4 available. The F100 was discontinued altogether
in 1983.

My 1980 Ford service books show no F100 4x4 option available. Even the
factory books are occasionally wrong about the details of configurations,
since things can get out of hand on the assembly line, or the books are
sometimes written before the engineers actually figured out what to do, but
other books corroborate the 1976 ending of the F100 4x4 option, at least in
the US.

It is possible, I suppose, that F100's were available w/ 4x4 in Canada or
elsewhere?

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 13:32:40 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Nerf Bar suggestions

Shivers, Bret wrote:

> I'm looking to put a set of nerf bars on my 97 4X4 Powerstroke Supercab.
> It is deep blue with white down the middle.
> I was thinking of maybe Smittybilt sure steps in black for $170.00.
> I have seen some Westins' in black that look OK. Anyone have any
> recommendations or photos? I don't want anything that sticks way out
> from the truck or that hangs very low, just something that gives good
> sidebody protection and a bit of a step for passengers!

Brett,
Here is a website from my bronco registry. There are lots of pictures
of our trucks. Some with Smitty Nerf bars, some with other step boards.
Take a look. You'll be able to email the people direct from they're registry

page. If they ask, tell them I gave you this URL.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/list.htm


- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:05:51 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: F-250 Farm Truck

>From: Chris Hedemark
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: F-250 Farm Truck
>
>>Last year and the year before at the Farm Science
>>Review in London, Oh, the highway patrol set up a
>>check station as was catching guys for running the
>>died fuel in their "farm use pickups." You know
>>THAT went over well! Don't
>
>I don't know for sure, because I am not a lawyer, but isn't
>that an illegal search? I mean, unless a cop has specific
>reason to think that YOU might be using illegal fuel, the
>most they can do in a random search is check in the cab
>within arm's reach of the driver, right? The fuel tank(s) are
>hardly within arm's reach.

Yo Chris:

The police have successfully used check points (road blocks) for years to
catch drunk drivers, and as long as they stop every vehicle and make the
same type of check, it holds up in court and it is not considered a
"random" search. When the police stop an individual vehicle, their conduct
is subject to a higher standard to prevent the courts from viewing it as a
random (and possibly illegal) search.

Checking the fuel is a common practice for roadside inspections of larger
commercial vehicles. In these cases, the state DOT usually works in
concert w/ state or local agencies to run weight checks, where fines are
levied for overloading a single axle (even if the GVW is under the limit)
and safety inspections, where every major vehicle system is subject to
examination. An air brake hose with even the slightest sign of abrasion is
grounds to "red tag" the vehicle so it cannot be driven (has to be repaired
on the spot or towed) and of course, fine the owner.

Legally, there is no reason that such roadside inspections could not be
extended to any other type of vehicle, including private passenger cars,
since driving is a licensed and regulated activity, and not a
constitutional right. Only major public resistance to such intrusions will
prevent them from becoming a common, draconian burden. What w/ the recent
changes in insurance rates for SUVs and light trucks, it may only be a
matter of time before our beloved Ford trucks become politically incorrect
and socially unacceptable enough that we will become easy targets for
"selective enforcement" of existing road safety regulations.

As for use of untaxed diesel in "farm" plate trucks, laws vary from state
to state. Some states allow untaxed fuel to be used in trucks as long as
the truck legally carries a "farm" plate, while others prohibit any use of
untaxed fuel for the drive engine in a licensed vehicle.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:49:38 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Ken's rebuilt carb problems

Ken Payne,

1.) Check the wet float level, this is critical for good performance. [a
simple way to see if your float level is too low is to spray gumout or an
equivalent down the bowl vent(both if it's a 4 bbl) to temporarily overfill
the fuel bowl, then give it the throttle and see if it still gasps... this
will only work for a few seconds however depending on how much of the carb
cleaner you spray in the fuel bowl(s)]. Don't forget to check the level in
the secondary bowl as well if equipped.
2.) Check the accelerator pump linkage, and action. [good strong spray
starts as soon as the linkage is touched...no lag)
3.) Get the correct power valve and replace if it's malfunctioning as in
your note. Take the old one out and bring it to the shop with you if need
be. It should be an exact replacement.

If it were getting too much fuel you'd see black smoke coming out the
exhaust when the symptoms occurred. If not it's too lean. In that case
check the above items. If the float level's correct, all the linkages are in
the correct positions, and that bad power valve is fixed AND the problem
still exists, I'd start checking your vacuum hose routing. It's possible you
hooked them back up incorrectly.

Don't take it to a shop. Carb's (Holley's anyway) are pretty straight
forward.

Walt
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:12:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: J Mac
Subject: FTE 80-96 - oil leak

Good morning to all.
I've got a '91 f-150 supercab with 5.0 aod, 4x2. It's got 170,000
miles on it (Still runs like a bat out of hell, by the way). It leaks
oil, looks like it's coming from where the engine meets the
transmission. Before you say rear main, I've already changed that.
Also changed both valve covers and intake manifold gasket, still
leaks. Pcv has been changed also.


Thanks for any help
johnny

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:49:34 -0500
From: Ron Madurski
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - oil leak

I have heard that if you don't use sealer on the flywheel or flex plate
they will leak oil. Don't know if it's true or not.


> transmission. Before you say rear main, I've already changed that.
> Also changed both valve covers and intake manifold gasket, still
> leaks. Pcv has been changed also.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:27:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Troy Reifsnider
Subject: FTE 80-96 - transmission oil for cold weather

In my truck I used 1 pt. of Mystery Marvel Oil and then topped it off
with 80w90. When it was about 10 below here in Wisconsin it shifted a
little hard, but it was still manageable. Hope this helps.





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Fordmantroy yahoo.com
1992 Ford Ranger reg. cab long box
XLT 4x4 2.9L 5 sp.


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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 21:31:36 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Ken's rebuilt carb problems

Walt,
That was my rebuilt carb, Ken had to forward it for me to the list.
You were right, the float bowls were set too high. It did have some
light black smoke from running rich, but I hadn't noticed it. I did
take it to my buddy's shop this morning and he fixed it while I was at
work. He adjusted the floats and the idle screw since that was a
little rough. He checked some of my other adjustments and said they
were right on. Not too bad for a first rebuild I guess. I adjusted
the floats dry as I mentioned but he said, as did you, that it's more
critical and accurate to adjust them wet. $20 later and it seems to
be dialed in sweetly. Let's just say I can easily squeal the tires at
a stop light now and couldn't before. :D I agree too that the Holley
was a very straight forward carb, I never had one and now I know why
everyone else who had always raved about them. I have worked a little
on Quadrabogs, but never have I gotten into the guts on them. This
carb was nice and simple. Thanks for the advice Walt,
Later,
Randy

Posluszny, Walt (posl) wrote:
>
> Ken Payne,
>
> 1.) Check the wet float level, this is critical for good performance. [a
> simple way to see if your float level is too low is to spray gumout or an
> equivalent down the bowl vent(both if it's a 4 bbl) to temporarily overfill
> the fuel bowl, then give it the throttle and see if it still gasps... this
> will only work for a few seconds however depending on how much of the carb
> cleaner you spray in the fuel bowl(s)]. Don't forget to check the level in
> the secondary bowl as well if equipped.
> 2.) Check the accelerator pump linkage, and action. [good strong spray
> starts as soon as the linkage is touched...no lag)
> 3.) Get the correct power valve and replace if it's malfunctioning as in
> your note. Take the old one out and bring it to the shop with you if need
> be. It should be an exact replacement.
>
> If it were getting too much fuel you'd see black smoke coming out the
> exhaust when the symptoms occurred. If not it's too lean. In that case
> check the above items. If the float level's correct, all the linkages are in
> the correct positions, and that bad power valve is fixed AND the problem
> still exists, I'd start checking your vacuum hose routing. It's possible you
> hooked them back up incorrectly.
>
> Don't take it to a shop. Carb's (Holley's anyway) are pretty straight
> forward.
>
> Walt
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 21:39:21 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - oil leak

Mac daddy,
Just had a major oil leak on my 351W. There was so much oil on the
underside I had no idea where it was coming from. One can of engine
degreaser later and it was very clean, including the tops of the heads
and valve covers. As you noted, you can never tell where these things
are coming from. After that I warmed up the truck again (get it warm
to spray on the cleaner) by driving it for about 10 minutes and came
home and climbed underneath (man it sure is nice not having to jack it
up first). I noticed mine dripping from the bottom of the bell
housing on the tranny. A closer inspection revealed it coming from
the BACK of the flywheel cover plate....hmmm...rear main, right?
Nope, I looked on the drivers' side and could see the oil running down
from the valve cover, whew!!! Much easier than the rear main. I know
you said you changed your gaskets, I'm just trying giving an example
here, get that bugger cleaned up good (wire brush if you have to -
wear EYE protection!) and try to trace that leak down. Gook luck.
Later,
Randy

J Mac wrote:
>
> Good morning to all.
> I've got a '91 f-150 supercab with 5.0 aod, 4x2. It's got 170,000
> miles on it (Still runs like a bat out of hell, by the way). It leaks
> oil, looks like it's coming from where the engine meets the
> transmission. Before you say rear main, I've already changed that.
> Also changed both valve covers and intake manifold gasket, still
> leaks. Pcv has been changed also.
>
> Thanks for any help
> johnny
>
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 20:51:16 -0600
From: Ryan Penner
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Truck Beds

Okay My dad has a 1996 F150 Longbed that has had some major damage done
to it. My question is has anyone ever bought a new bed, and if so how
much was it. On the same idea how much for a right side door? This....


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