80-96-list-digest Tuesday, September 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 326



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - What auto have I got.
Re: FTE 80-96 - What auto have I got.
FTE 80-96 - Re: What auto have I got.
FTE 80-96 - dead truck (was solenoid)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Overspray
FTE 80-96 - 95 Ford Probe
FTE 80-96 - Re: fan speed on high

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:40:05 -0700
From: Rob Bryan
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What auto have I got.

At 7:10 PM +0000 09/22/98, Garr&Pam wrote:
>Yeah they stand up to 500 hp but lets see one stand up to 500 ft lbs of
>torque! Thats what really kills a tranny. If I had an AOD in my
>Lightning it would more than likely destroy an AOD.

Remember, these are built 302's and 351's, so they should be putting out a
ton of torque. The AOD's in them are far from stock though. FWIW, the
Powerstroke Diesel in a '99 Superduty puts over 600 ft/lbs of torque to the
ground (as measured by a chassis dyno by Four Wheeler Magazine) through the
4R100. Wow! And they are now using the 4R70W with the new 5.4 2v Triton
that puts out like 245hp and 350 ft/lb of torque. Also, I think they are
using that same trans on the 32v version that is going in the '99 Lincoln
Navigator (300hp, ? torque).

>I hate those Ford shifting engineers, my little brothers mountain bike
>shifts harder than Fords autos!

I don't know what they are thinking. "Town Car" shifting is fine...in a
Town Car! But it has no place in a truck that will be towing! Thank
goodness it is now easy to get a chip programmed that will fix the problem
forever!

>For '99, that transmission has been improved even more and has been
>renamed the 4R100. The version on V10 and Diesel models even have a PTO
>provision. It is probably the strongest light-duty automatic now being
>made. And they are supposedly developing a 5-speed version of it (like
>the 4.0L Explorers use) by engaging the overdrive gear along with 1st
>gear.
>
>Does this mean I could bolt this new tranny up in my Lightning? Just
>curious no real intent of ever doing this. The E4OD is pretty reliable
>behind a stock 351 Lightning but you start adding on power
>adders(supercharger) you had better get it upgraded. Level 10 does great
>work with E4OD. With tiadys aftermarket you can get almost any tranny to
>last...just how mucj are you willing to spend though. I have no real
>experience with the AODE or AOD I was just speaking from what I have
>heard about them. I dont think either one was ever put behind a 351 and
>I know not a 460!!!
>Thanks for the info.

Physically it'll fit. I have no idea if the computer controls or connectors
for them have been changed though. The E4OD in the Lightning has some of
the "race-proven" upgrades (at least for the '93. For the '95 Lightning,
all of the upgrades should be present), so they will be much more reliable
than the early versions that were major nightmares! Also, the AOD was used
with the 351, but I believe only in cars. Most common place to see an AOD
behind a 351 is in pre-'92 Crown Vic copcars. But, from what I've seen, the
351's in trucks used the C6 3-speed until 1990 when they started placing
E4OD's behind them.

Later,

Rob Bryan

"If a President of the United States ever lied to the
American people he should resign."
- -- Bill Clinton, in 1974 while running for the U.S. House.


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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:47:51 -0700
From: Rob Bryan
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What auto have I got.

At 7:27 PM -0400 09/22/98, Jeff Fairbairn wrote:
>I also have the same questions but mine is in a 1996 F-150 4x4. The shift
>lever has the little button on the end. The oil pan has metric stamped into
>the metal.
>
>Thanks,
>Jeff

What engine does it have? If it is a 5.0, it has either the AOD-E or the
4R70W (depending on when Ford upgraded the trans to 4R70W spec). If it is a
5.8, it has the E4OD. I belive that the 4.9 six uses the E4OD, but I'm not
positive about that. Both have "METRIC" stamped on the pan. The E4OD pan
has a big dimple in it, and the AOD (at least the non-electronic version)
is flat and has "Automatic Overdrive" spelled in script.

FWIW, my mom has a '96 F-150 4X4 with the 5.8 and it has an E4OD, which has
been working great.

Later,

Rob Bryan

"If a President of the United States ever lied to the
American people he should resign."
- -- Bill Clinton, in 1974 while running for the U.S. House.


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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:48:57 -0300
From: sbest
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: What auto have I got.

>Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:19:36 +1000
>From: "Tony"
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - What auto have I got.
>
> I have a 1986 5.0 LWB F150 with automatic overdrive. I get the impression
>from the list that there are two automatics, the C6 and the E40D and that
>the C6 is superior. How do I know what type mine is? I read someones
>description of the E4OD as being large and hanging down under the chassis.
>Mine is not like that but I've not seen anyone describe a C6 with overdrive
>either.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Tony.



Just a guess, if it has overdrive on a 302 in 1986 I'd say the AOD.


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Date: 22 Sep 1998 18:53:08 EDT
From: Hawk sktc.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - dead truck (was solenoid)

80>I put in the new solenoid. Nothing.. I started tracing circuits for
80>power and haven't found any open ones yet. I have traced everything
80>connected to the solenoid except the ignition. Is there a way to test
80>this outside the cab or do I have to pull it out of the column? I
80>cannot get anything to recieve power. (headlights, hazards, wipers..
80>nothing. I have two theories here, please feel free to add to them.
(snip)
80>Any ideas? I am willing to try almost anything here.
80>Thanks
80>Casey Vandor

Casey, you've probably already checked this, but it sounds like a
battery, battery cable, or ground problem to me. I'd double check and
clean those battery cable connections. Always start with the basics.
Good luck. Buck Shoff









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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:59:11 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Overspray

Hey Craig,
I know of a product called lite finish, it will remove overspray,oxidation &
machine swirl marks.its a cleaner polish and can be used by hand, but its not
sold in stores.My livlihood is supplying body shops ,detail shops, & car
dealers with these products.
I dont want to offend any of the members by promoting my products, but i know
a great deal about paint restoration and would like to help in any way i
can.even if it does not pertain to my stuff. Many times when people think that
the paint on their vehicle is shot, it can be saved.if you have any questions
e-mail me at jsc721 aol.

Joe
Carollo

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:01:18 -0500
From: Your Name
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 95 Ford Probe

You helped me with my 93 F250; I'm hoping you won't mind me trying for
help on a car question:
How does one replace a cigarette lighter on a 95 Ford Probe with shift
on console? I can't figure how to remove the cover to take out the
lighter. There doesn't seem to be any screws holding the console
(cover) in place. I just can't yank the lighter out can I?
Thanks again!!!!
Lou Georgieff

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:25:20 -0500
From: "Stephen W. Hansen"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: fan speed on high

Andre Roy is correct. On my LTD it was inside below the glovebox on the
ducting, On my F-250 I believe it is under the hood on the passinger side
sightly below and to the left of the Air conditioner condencer (looking back
and towards the windshield) Look for a gray plug assembly going into the
ducting. Remove the plug. Now where the plug was there is the plate held in
by two screws, top and bottom. Take them out and remove that piece. That is
what needs to be replaced. It was around 20-30 dollars 5 years ago (on the
LTD) and be sure you get the correct part. The one I got was for a 3 speed
setup, not a four, so there was no speed change in the middle two settings.
I just fixed that little bug last week.
Hope this helps..
Stephen Hansen
92 F250
82 LTD II
50 F-1 (some assembly required)

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