80-96-list-digest Monday, September 14 1998 Volume 02 : Number 316



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: the steerin be wacko.....
Re: FTE 80-96 - exhaust manifold problem on 460
FTE 80-96 - Re: Hard starting
FTE 80-96 - Locking rear brakes
FTE 80-96 - SJSalotti: New Topic: Ignition wiring
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Web updates and archives
Re: FTE 80-96 - ? open circuit
FTE 80-96 - Bronco II missing/ dead spot
Re: FTE 80-96 - exhaust manifold problem on 460
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bronco II missing/ dead spot
Re: FTE 80-96 - Locking rear brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - Locking rear brakes

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:36:19 EDT
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: the steerin be wacko.....


left-right-left, rapidly when I hit the bump (very scary)! It felt like
the I-beams were bouncing up, down, left and right all the same
time???>>

Check them tires! My F250 has had this problem twice in 100 k+ miles, and
both times it was a tire dying.

Scott
93 F250 SC 351


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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:19:01 GMT
From: herbs west.net (Herb Smith)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - exhaust manifold problem on 460

On the last paragraph, horsepower increase;

60 hp from just headers is hard to believe. What follows is my
experience with a 460 in a Class C motor home.

I would believe 20 hp increase from the use of a K&N filter, removing
the restriction in the intake ducting which reduces the noise level
but restricts air flow, and advancing the initial timing from 10 to 12
DBDTC. (more on timing later). These restrictions reduce the
diameter of the two intake hoses from about 2 1/2 in. to about 1 1/4
inch. I had this done and in conjunction with a timing advance to 12
DBTDC yielded another 20 ponies out of my 460. It dynoed at 150 HP
before and 170 HP after. However, I now notice a BIG tendency to ping
when under full load at 3/4 to Full Throttle Operation (big hills) so
I'm not sure I'm going to leave the timing advanced. I don't believe
the extra power from the additional 2 degrees advance will offset
paying for 92 octane fuel. I use regular unleaded 87 octane and plan
to stick with it. =20

=46rom what the tuner told me there is another 20 hp available from
changing the stock muffler to a low restriction muffler e.g.
=46lowmaster. This is know as a CAT back system. The cost for this is
in the $300 to $400 range including parts and labor. =20

They also said I could get another 20 hp from headers. Well headers
cost about $800 plus 12 hours labor on a Class C motor home so the
price comes out to about $1300 to $1400. Not worth it to me.

These three items (intake work/CAT back/headers) totals about 60 hp
increase. The intake work and CAT back system gets you about 40 hp or
66% of the total hp for 25% of the total upgrade cost.

Hope this helps. Any other opinions. Any opinions on the timing
advance.

Herb


On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:51:30 EDT, Goatfamily aol.com wrote:

>Can anyone give me some information with regard to my Ford 460 exhaust
>manifold leaks. I have heard so many different causes, and I like to =
get a
>second opinion. This 460 engine is in a Ford motor home chassis.
>
>A motor home dealer told me this is a common problem for a Ford 460 =
engine. He
>also said that Ford at one time had so called recall on this problem. =
Does
>anyone know if there was a recall? If there was a recall what are the =
details
>about it?
>
>I was also told by several aftermarket OEM's that Ford use grade 5 bolts=
on
>the exhaust headers and they snap off. They told me to use grade 8 =
bolts.
>Does any one know anything about that?
>
>I was told that the bolts ussally break the edge of the engine head, and=
that
>you have to replace the heads with new or rebuilt ones. Has anyone
>experienced that problem?
>
>One dealer wants me to upgrade the exhaust manifolds to a new system by =
Banks
>Engineering. He said I could gain up to 60 HP from the switch. Has =
anyone
>experienced this type of upgrade?
>
>Thank you,
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:37:32 -0800 (PST)
From: "David M. Mercier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Hard starting

I have a 86 F-250HD with a 460 engine.Truck starts right up when cold but
when hot just after stopping for a short time will barely turn over. Done
the usual stuff new Battery, cables, selenoid.I've heard this is a common
problem.Whats the best fix?? Thanks, Dave

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:24:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vic Erwin
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Locking rear brakes

When my truck's cold, the first couple of stops the brakes are VERY
sensitive and the rears lock up. After it warms up it gets normal. Any
ideas?


- - Vic Erwin
www.webdigs.com


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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:11:08 -0400
From: sjsalotti juno.com (Stephen F Salotti)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - SJSalotti: New Topic: Ignition wiring

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From: SJSalotti
To: Majordomo ford-trucks.com
Subject: New Topic: Ignition wiring
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:08:45 -0400
Message-ID:

Hi Group,

As a new poster to this group I'm not familiar with the protocol for
this group, but I'll presume it's the same as other groups I've been
involved with. I have a wiring question I'd like to try and get some help
with. I've tried Ford plus everyone local I can think of, but to no
avail.

My son bought my 1985 F-150 Supercab (over 180K miles) from me about a
year ago. The truck has a 300 6cyl, with standard transmission (New
Process). The transmission broke down, and due to the rust on the body,
he decided not to repair it. Mechanically the truck is sound, but PA's
road salt has severely damaged the underbody panels.

To replace it, he bought a 1984 F-150 with a 302 V-8 and automatic
transmission. After about two months, the motor went, put the #8 piston
right through the cylinder wall. Since we still had the '85, we decided
to try to swap the motors rather than buy something from a junkie that we
wouldn't know the condition of.

Mechanically, the swap went with no problems, the motor dropped into
place. But where we are having trouble is with the ignition system. The
302 only has three wires that go to the distributer, while the 300 6
cylinder has 6! We have tried everything we can think of, but to no
avail. The only thing left to do that I know of is to swap the entire
wiring harness and ignition system. Before I start this, does any one
else have any ideas?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Steve
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:06:56 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Web updates and archives

- - August list archives are now on the FTE web site
- - Over 10 new trucks added to the pictorial.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:28:01 -0500
From: "Parker Brooks"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ? open circuit

hey trevor,

i've got a '95 flareside with the 5.8, and have had a problem with the
battery being dead. my truck is a weekend toy, so it's not driven much, so i
also have the possibility of the battery just going bad, but i want to do
more diagnosing if possible. i'll pass on the results to you. and let me
know if you find any more problems.
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Parker Brooks (St. Louis)
'95 Flareside (NLOC #42)
'97 SHO
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"Let's go! While we're young!!"
R. Dangerfield
- -----Original Message-----
From: T.Gill
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 5:45 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ? open circuit


>I have a 1993 F-150 XL 4x4. I have been having an intermittent problem
>with an open circuit, my battery died Saturday. When I disconnect the
>negative battery cable and connect a multimeter between the cable and
>the battery post I get 2.35 amp drain from the battery. When I pull fuse
>#8 for the circuit including courtesy, dome, cargo lamps, the radio and
>speedometer memory, and the warning buzzer and chime module, the drain
>returns to a few milliamps. I had this problem last year and sprayed the
>connector for the buzzer with WD-40 and covered it with plastic, this
>fixed the problem. At the time I believed snow may have gotten in the
>connector and caused the drain. I had disconnected the buzzer several
>years earlier because I hate the noise and it was hanging where snow
>from my boots could easily enter the connector.
> I was wondering if I could cut the wires on the connector to disconnect
>it altogether? Would this be wise? Any advice on diagnosing this kind of
>problem would be appreciated.
>
>Trevor Gill
>Newfoundland, Canada.
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:36:49 -0500
From: Michael Ruth
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Bronco II missing/ dead spot

I hava a problem that someone might be able to diagnose for me, please!
My 89 Bronco II 2.9 V6 5-speed has a heck of a miss/dead spot when your
accelerating or just driving normally without excessive acceleration.
It only does it with the A/C on, but it is not doing it when the a/c
clutch kicks in. I have strong pull and then dead spot, like the engine
cuts out then 1/4 second later comes right back. It's really getting
annoying. Can anyone give me an idea where to start??? Thanks again!
Mike
xplorit erols.com
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:49:08 EDT
From: Goatfamily aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - exhaust manifold problem on 460

Thanks for the reply. I was told that the dealer would install some ram air
intake system and the new exhaust headers and complete exhaust system. This
includes a new low back pressure muffler. I also have to put new heads on
the engine because the stock Ford heads break at the front, where the exhaust
manifolds bolt in. The dealer said I will get up to 60 HP more from the
engine. I wish I could have dynode the engine before and after like you did,
but I will just have to climb a hill and find out how it does.
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:18:10 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bronco II missing/ dead spot

One possibility is that the EEC computer is getting an erractic signal from
the A/C switch. When the A/C is on it sends a signal to the computer to
increase the engine power accordingly to compensate for the additional drag
of the A/C compressor. I don't know if that would be enough to mke a power
loss like you described but it might. Does it only happen when the A/C is
on?
Check all the connections from the A/C to the computer, also check the Idle
Air Bypass valve as it is what opens and closes in response to the A/C being
turned on and off.

Rade
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From: Michael Ruth
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 1:49 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Bronco II missing/ dead spot


>I hava a problem that someone might be able to diagnose for me, please!
>My 89 Bronco II 2.9 V6 5-speed has a heck of a miss/dead spot when your
>accelerating or just driving normally without excessive acceleration.
>It only does it with the A/C on, but it is not doing it when the a/c
>clutch kicks in. I have strong pull and then dead spot, like the engine
>cuts out then 1/4 second later comes right back. It's really getting
>annoying. Can anyone give me an idea where to start??? Thanks again!
>Mike
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:24:20 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Locking rear brakes

I don't know but I have the same problem though it sounds like it is alot
less frequently. Occaisionally I notice that the same thing happens, mostly
on cool wet days. I'm thinking it might have something to do with the RABS
but I'm not sure.

Rade
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From: Vic Erwin
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 4:36 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Locking rear brakes


>When my truck's cold, the first couple of stops the brakes are VERY
>sensitive and the rears lock up. After it warms up it gets normal. Any
>ideas?
>
>
>- Vic Erwin
> www.webdigs.com
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 01:16:53 -0500
From: "BigRed"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Locking rear brakes

I had the problem on my truck. It turned out to be the valve for the abs.
The valve is not a cheap thing either so I disconnected the wires from the
rear end and have not had a problem since. Even in the winter with snow
covered roads i cannot tell the difference from having rear abs or not.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Radoje Spasojevic
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Locking rear brakes


>I don't know but I have the same problem though it sounds like it is alot
>less frequently. Occaisionally I notice that the same thing happens,
mostly
>on cool wet days. I'm thinking it might have something to do with the RABS
>but I'm not sure.
>
>Rade
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vic Erwin
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 4:36 PM
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Locking rear brakes
>
>
>>When my truck's cold, the first couple of stops the brakes are VERY
>>sensitive and the rears lock up. After it warms up it gets normal. Any
>>ideas?....


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