80-96-list-digest Thursday, August 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 298



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Max A/C
FTE 80-96 - Another noise to talk about
Re: FTE 80-96 - Another noise to talk about
FTE 80-96 - Looking for Forged Wheel
RE: FTE 80-96 - Water seepage into the cab
FTE 80-96 - Computer software
FTE 80-96 - Mileage towing with the OD installed...
RE: FTE 80-96 - E-150 gas milage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Computer software
RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Max A/C & Shocks
FTE 80-96 - Owners Manuals
Re: FTE 80-96 - E-150 gas milage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Another noise to talk about
FTE 80-96 - Rhino Linings
RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Max A/C & Shocks
Re: FTE 80-96 - Another noise to talk about
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rhino Linings
Re: FTE 80-96 - Owners Manuals
FTE 80-96 - starter that wont stop
Re: FTE 80-96 - starter that wont stop
Re: FTE 80-96 - Shocks/replacing the trans fluid
Re: FTE 80-96 - starter that wont stop
Re: FTE 80-96 - Owners Manuals
Re: Re: FTE 80-96 - Owners Manuals
Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS Light

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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:29:31 -0500
From: Pete Kraus
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Max A/C

As Walt Posluszny wisely observes:

>Max cooling is really a misnomer. . .

>I see people jumping in their vehicle, and turning on max cool
>immediately with the interior temp hotter than the outside
>temp........READ MY LIPS, this approach take loonnggeeerrr to cool
>the cab.

Walt, thanks for restating the facts about the Max a/c setting. It should
have been labeled Recirc and used on a temporary basis when outside
air is befouled or otherwise unwanted inside the vehicle. My friends,
too, think I'm crazy for pointing this out. Never underestimate the power
of the word Max!

Pete
Pete_Kraus emory.org
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:10:43 -0500
From: "Gary W Beyer"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Another noise to talk about

Yeah, I have the popping noise in the interior that everyone's talking
about, but I have another that bothers me more.

My '95 Bronco (351, E4OD) makes a strange noise nearly every time I
accelerate from a full stop. It is in the driveline, sounds like the rear
end. After releasing the brakes and hitting the gas, I'll travel a few
feet, maybe as many as 10, and then I hear and feel a thump. The rear end
is open (no traction lock). I get no such noise if I decelerate and then
accelerate, or when I hit the brakes. I HAVE to come to a complete stop
first, or it just doesn't happen.

Possible clue: This vehicle is a rebuilder, the rear housing had a bent
axle tube and axle. The housing was straightened professionally, and the
axle was replaced. I did all the disassembly and reassembly, and there were
no signs of any trouble when I put it all back together. We've since driven
this thing about 40,000 miles. The thump always been there to some degree.

I guess my goal is to find out if anyone else has this trouble, or if it is
possibly related to the accident. Thanks in advance!

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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:15:30 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Another noise to talk about

Gary W Beyer wrote:

> My '95 Bronco (351, E4OD) makes a strange noise nearly every time I
> accelerate from a full stop. It is in the driveline, sounds like the rear
> end. After releasing the brakes and hitting the gas, I'll travel a few
> feet, maybe as many as 10, and then I hear and feel a thump. The rear end
> is open (no traction lock). I get no such noise if I decelerate and then
> accelerate, or when I hit the brakes. I HAVE to come to a complete stop
> first, or it just doesn't happen.

Gary,
If you havn't already, check/grease your u-joints. Also
give your leafsprings a good look. If it got hit in the back
maybe one got cracked.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:10:33 -0600
From: JJ/Rae
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Looking for Forged Wheel

I'm looking for one forged wheel for our 97 F-250 as we need a spare and I'd like to
rotate tires through all 5 positions. Anybody have one they would like to get rid
of??

JJ
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1997 F-250HD XLT Powerstroke Diesel 4x4, SC, SB, 5sp, 4.10,
285/75R16 BFG/MT's, K&N Filter, Lund bug deflector,
http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1997_f250_1.html
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:13:37 -0500
From: Sean Winters
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Water seepage into the cab

Hey Frank

Don't know about the TSB, but I had the same problem on my 82 truck. I've
only had it about 2.5 years, but when I first got under the truck I noticed
some pretty bad rust...and I live in Texas where this is almost never a
problem. Mine had deteriorated to the point where the entire cab floor had
rusted pretty bad. It seemed to be coming in under the dash very close to
both doors.

I did the same routine as yourself with the water hose and found nothing. My
fix for the problem? A *lot* of fiberglass and resin...works great. Pulled
the seat and what was left of the rubber floor mat and removed all the loose
"crud" with a shop vac, covered the entire floor with fiberglass and let it
dry for a day. Went out the next morning and installed new carpet ($90 from
Summit) and put the seat back in with a new cover...looks sharp. Figured
with the metal removed and fiberglass replaced it should shave ~.1 off the
1/4 mile times as well. ;^)

Did this about a year ago and have not had any problems with mildew or the
like.


swinters pritchettnet.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1982_f150_1.html


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From: Ponz1931 aol.com [mailto:Ponz1931 aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 5:36 PM
To: bigbroncos moab.off -road. com
Cc: 80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com; broncotech moab.off -road. com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Water seepage into the cab


While fixing the alarm system installed by the previous owner on my '91
Bronco, I had occassion to pull up the carpet on the driver's side.
Surprise!!! The holes for the threshold plate screws were enlarged from
rust,
the padding under the carpet was damp, and there is a rust hole directly
underneath the hood release in the floor. I can see that I am getting water
in the crack at the back of the gutter above the driver's side door, and
I've
caught wind of a TSB and some sort of kit to repair this. Does anybody
have
any details? I'd sure appreciate some tips/info. (Silicone caulk certianly
comes to mind.)

The foam pad that sits higher up the floor underneath the dash (under the
pedals) was pretty wet in some spots. More than I would expect from the
capillary action of the other leak, considering this is uphill of the bottom
sill. I pulled off the cowl and ran a hose all over the windshield, but no
water appeared inside. I did notice that the foam striping under the cowl
was
deteriorated in spots. Has anybody else had this problem? Since the rig
only
has 51k miles on it, I'd certainly like to keep it from rusting out
prematurely, not to mention get rid of the musty odor.

BTW, you'll likely to be hearing frequently from me as I learn more about
this
truck dive into the realm of DIY truck repair and maintenance. Please have
patience. I'll recipricate by sharing anything I learn.

Thanks,

Frank
1991 Bronco 351
1987 Mercedes (Chrysler) LeBaron
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:30:41 -0700
From: Jon Berman
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Computer software

Hello,
I friend of mine owns an independent auto repair shop and wants to
upgrade his computer system with my help. He wants to be able to compose
professional looking workorders and invoices on a computer for his
customers. Any suggestions as to which software programs are good
choices (especially for automotive/service industries)?

Thank you,
Jon
1994 Ford F-150
P.S. I know this isn't entirely Ford related, but I'd appreciate any
suggestions..thanks.

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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:19:27 -0500
From: Ron Madurski
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Mileage towing with the OD installed...

On Sunday I towed my Fiat from Tulsa, OK to Norman, OK. Before putting
in the OD I would get around 15 MPG but could not maintain my speed over
75 for fear of blowing the motor. It would really wind out at 75. Most
times I was running about 70. The speed limit on that highway is 75.

Now that I have the OD installed I was able to run 75-80 with little
difficulty. Some of the larger/longer hills would cause my speed to
drop back to 65 in OD (created a few black clouds that day). I spent
almost the whole trip in OD with the cruise on and the air going. Those
2 things made a bit of difference I think. On my previous trips I
didn't have the cruise control or A/C installed. When the truck started
to slow down going up the hills, before, I would just "feather" the
throttle to keep it right at the edge of "cloud creation". The cruise
control just starts mashing the pedal to the floor (Daddy, why is the
truck on fire?). I didn't have A/C before either.

Anyway, before my mileage towing was 14.8, after it is 13.6. I'll be
going down there again to run later in the year so I'll know what it's
like without the A/C running. Maybe I'll "drive" the truck instead of
using the cruise to see if that makes any difference.

I made it there and back quicker, cooler, and more relaxed. I'm happy.
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:50:31 -0500
From: Ron Madurski
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - E-150 gas milage

84 = carb = :-(
94 = EFI = :-)

I had an 85 with a carb and could never get the kind of mileage I wanted
out of it either. I thought long and hard about going to a TBI system.
Bought a diesel instead.


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From: DHall8577 aol.com [mailto:DHall8577 aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 9:27 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - E-150 gas milage


In a message dated 98-08-26 07:08:47 EDT, you write:


something similar and what type of mpg they get. It has about 20K on a
rebuild, about 135K total. >>

I have a 1994 4.9 L automatic 2WD with 173,000 miles on it and i'm
currently
getting 16-17 mpg on the highway [ 70-80mph ] and about 12-15mpg in the
city.

Dave
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:10:47 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Computer software

Peach Tree for Windows is Great!

>>> Jon Berman 08/27 9:30 AM >>>
Hello,
I friend of mine owns an independent auto repair shop and wants to
upgrade his computer system with my help. He wants to be able to compose
professional looking workorders and invoices on a computer for his
customers. Any suggestions as to which software programs are good
choices (especially for automotive/service industries)?

Thank you,
Jon
1994 Ford F-150
P.S. I know this isn't entirely Ford related, but I'd appreciate any
suggestions..thanks.

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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 9:28:47 -0800
From: Gary Callahan
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Max A/C & Shocks

>> Re : Shocks
>>
>> I have Rancho 5000's and absolutely hate them, I would never
>>suggest them to anyone. On the other hand other folks seem to like
them.
>>A friend just put Rancho 9000's on his Bronco and he like's the
>>adjustability. He said the firm setting is useless... it's like driving
>>with no springs(kidney belt territory).
>>


Walt:


I was thinking of getting Rancho 5000 shocks for my '81 F-150 4x4. What


is it about them you do not like? Does anybody else on the list have an


opinion on these shocks?


Gary Callahan
'81 F-150 Custom 4x4
*****************************************************
Gary Callahan
Holmes & Narver, Inc.
Home Page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hninc.com
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:02:26 -0700
From: "Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Owners Manuals

I was wondering if some one could instruct me as to how I could obtain an
owners manual for a 1994 supercab F-150 4x4. The dealer here in Yuma, AZ
was not to helpful. Thanks!
Jerry Hinkle Jr. CPA
"RULEMAKER" 94 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4
"LTS-ROK" 80 JEEP CJ-5
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:22:13 -0700
From: Brant Sawzak
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E-150 gas milage

Clifford makes a multi-point injection for this engine. Cool.
Unfontunately, it costs $2495.00 Damn!

Ron Madurski wrote:

> 84 = carb = :-(
> 94 = EFI = :-)
>
> I had an 85 with a carb and could never get the kind of mileage I wanted
> out of it either. I thought long and hard about going to a TBI system.
> Bought a diesel instead.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DHall8577 aol.com [mailto:DHall8577 aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 9:27 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - E-150 gas milage
>
> In a message dated 98-08-26 07:08:47 EDT, you write:
>
>
> something similar and what type of mpg they get. It has about 20K on a
> rebuild, about 135K total. >>
>
> I have a 1994 4.9 L automatic 2WD with 173,000 miles on it and i'm
> currently
> getting 16-17 mpg on the highway [ 70-80mph ] and about 12-15mpg in the
> city.
>
> Dave
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:26:25 -0700
From: Brant Sawzak
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Another noise to talk about

If it is under hard acceleration, I would agree about the leaf spring. If it
is weak, the axel will roll back to hard and tug on the driveshaft.

Rick Wojciechowski wrote:

> Gary W Beyer wrote:
>
> > My '95 Bronco (351, E4OD) makes a strange noise nearly every time I
> > accelerate from a full stop. It is in the driveline, sounds like the rear
> > end. After releasing the brakes and hitting the gas, I'll travel a few
> > feet, maybe as many as 10, and then I hear and feel a thump. The rear end
> > is open (no traction lock). I get no such noise if I decelerate and then
> > accelerate, or when I hit the brakes. I HAVE to come to a complete stop
> > first, or it just doesn't happen.
>
> Gary,
> If you havn't already, check/grease your u-joints. Also
> give your leafsprings a good look. If it got hit in the back
> maybe one got cracked.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rick Wojo
> '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
> '92 Mstng 5.0L
> '95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)
>
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:29:37 -0800
From: Gary Callahan
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rhino Linings

I have run across a product, that looks pretty good to me, called Rhino
Linings. It is a thick sprayed on polyurethane permanent coating for the
truck bed. If you contact the companies web site they will send you a
sample in the mail. The sample I received seems pretty strong and
durable. Has anyone else had experience with this product or a similar
product?

Gary Callahan
'81 F-150 Custom 4x4 (300cid; I-6)
*****************************************************
Gary Callahan
Holmes & Narver, Inc.
Home Page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hninc.com
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:39:22 -0700
From: cassis
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Max A/C & Shocks

I've got the RS5000's on my 4x Ranger and like them. I prefer a stiff ride
so I can see where some might not like them. You have to consider that some
tires make a big difrence in the ride also. I ran a set of Wide Climbers
(they are a mud terrain type) and my truck was real bouncy. When I switched
to BFG All Terain TA's it was alot smoother. I noticed it right off the
bat. Just a little something to think about. It would seem that with a more
agressive tred pattern you might want a softer shock. Anyway just my 2cents
worth.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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From: Gary Callahan [SMTP:callah S1.hninc.com]
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Cc: POSL chevron.com
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Max A/C & Shocks


>> Re : Shocks
>>
>> I have Rancho 5000's and absolutely hate them, I would never
>>suggest them to anyone. On the other hand other folks seem to like
them.
>>A friend just put Rancho 9000's on his Bronco and he like's the
>>adjustability. He said the firm setting is useless... it's like driving
>>with no springs(kidney belt territory).
>>


Walt:


I was thinking of getting Rancho 5000 shocks for my '81 F-150 4x4. What



is it about them you do not like? Does anybody else on the list have an


opinion on these shocks?


Gary Callahan
'81 F-150 Custom 4x4
*****************************************************
Gary Callahan
Holmes & Narver, Inc.
Home Page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hninc.com
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:50:08 EDT
From: A4T1RAT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Another noise to talk about

My 95 Bronco did the same thing..caused by short driveshaft and angle..I
took apart the slip yoke and cleaned it and reassembled it with a high
quality grease and that took care of the problem...however it comes back every
4000-5000 mi and I repete the process...I am going to have a new drive shaft
made with a better slip yoke ...hope this helps
Gordon
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:53:06 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rhino Linings

Here's a few more.
Rhino has been around for awhile and tends to be a bit thicker/rubberier.
It is a cold spray (and 60's technology according to the competition).

Some of the others here are "hot spray" technology. Claim is that
it bonds better, cures faster. Both types are in the high $300's to
low $400.00. Color matching costs a bunch more and tends to fade
and look bad later.

Does it really matter? Hard to tell.
Best advice I got was check out how they do the prep work.

What have I done? So far nothing. Sheet of plywood seems to be
doing the trick so far.


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.diamondliners.com/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rhinolinings.com/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bullhide.com/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.line-x.com The original hot spray, I believe
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.armacoatings.com Also a hot spray
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.speedliner.com A REAL TOUGH cold spray, with Kevlar
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.spi.com

One of the more amusing links is here:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.specialty-products.com/coatings/polyurea/bedliners/trucknews.htm

This guy had the interior *and* exterior sprayed. :-).


- -john


Gary Callahan wrote:

> I have run across a product, that looks pretty good to me, called Rhino
> Linings. It is a thick sprayed on polyurethane permanent coating for the
> truck bed. If you contact the companies web site they will send you a
> sample in the mail. The sample I received seems pretty strong and
> durable. Has anyone else had experience with this product or a similar
> product?
>
> Gary Callahan
> '81 F-150 Custom 4x4 (300cid; I-6)
> *****************************************************
> Gary Callahan
> Holmes & Narver, Inc.
> Home Page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hninc.com
> *****************************************************
>
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:07:54 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Owners Manuals

Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA wrote:

> I was wondering if some one could instruct me as to how I could obtain an
> owners manual for a 1994 supercab F-150 4x4. The dealer here in Yuma, AZ
> was not to helpful. Thanks!

Jerry,
try Helms. The manuals are kinda pricey but are supposed to be
good. Right now I just got the Haynes($13.00 at any parts house)
which has been adequate for me the past two years and Chiltons.
I even went out and bought a Haynes for the mustang.

They also have a website somewhere.
Helms - 800-782-4356
I just found it. look under the " Publication product " link.
They give price range and other info on what the books all cover.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.helminc.com/

This is another good link to watch.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Vintage-Books.com/

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:36:13 EDT
From: WHIMBLY180 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - starter that wont stop

I have a 93 f-150 (300 6cyl, 5spd, 4x4). when I turn the ignition switch, the
truck starts fine, but the starter doesent want to stop. I can turn the
ignition switch to off, and remove the key and the starter is still spinning
(the motor does stop). The starter will eventually stop on its own (gets
hot??) Also, the problem does not happen all the time. Any suggestions?????

Thanks in advance.

Geo
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:13:16 -0700
From: Brant Sawzak
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - starter that wont stop

I had the same problem (twice) with my van. It is the solenoid. On mine ('84
E-150) the large solenoid is next to the battery. The positive cable is attached
directly to it. I believe that there is also one attached to the starter, but
I've never had any problems with that one. It's the larger one that goes out.
It's about a $12 part at the local parts store.It's basically a relay for the
starter and the parts inside get worn a stick together so even when the key is
off, the relay is still triggered.

WHIMBLY180 aol.com wrote:

> I have a 93 f-150 (300 6cyl, 5spd, 4x4). when I turn the ignition switch, the
> truck starts fine, but the starter doesent want to stop. I can turn the
> ignition switch to off, and remove the key and the starter is still spinning
> (the motor does stop). The starter will eventually stop on its own (gets
> hot??) Also, the problem does not happen all the time. Any suggestions?????
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Geo
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:45:03 -0500
From: "LeRoy Wolff"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Shocks/replacing the trans fluid

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> From: Jorge Ramirez
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Shocks/replacing the trans fluid
> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 7:02 AM
>
> Questions: I will be replacing my front and rear shocks soon. What
> brands are you guys using?

I put Monroe gas shocks on my 1984 Ford F 150 two wheel drive. I was
having problems keeping the
truck on the road with a heavy load in the box. It really made a
difference.

When changing oil on an automatic transmission don't over tighten the pan
bolts you could warp the
pan.

Did you install yourself or did you have a
> shop do it?

Installing shocks are very easy as long as the bolts on the old shocks
aren't rusted up too much.

>
> How easy/difficult is it to change the trans fluid and filter? I want to
> also drain the torque converter. Hints,tips watch out fors, would be
> very helpfull.

This might sound crazy, but if I had a vehicle with an automatic
transmission, I would never change
the fluid, as long as I know the transmission had never been abused, by
heavy towing and what not.
If the fluid didn't look dark and smell burned, I'd leave it alone.

> I have the Haynes manual, but it is close to useless.
>
> TIA,
>
> Jorge E. Ramirez


LeRoy Wolff
Wimbledon, North Dakota
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:06:11 -0700
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - starter that wont stop

WHIMBLY180 aol.com wrote:
>
> I have a 93 f-150 (300 6cyl, 5spd, 4x4). when I turn the ignition switch, the
> truck starts fine, but the starter doesent want to stop. I can turn the
> ignition switch to off, and remove the key and the starter is still spinning
> (the motor does stop). The starter will eventually stop on its own (gets
> hot??) Also, the problem does not happen all the time. Any suggestions?????

The first thing I'd check would be the starter solenoid. Hard to figure
anything else that would cause it.
Paul in Portland OR
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:00:23 EDT
From: ValleyDECA aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Owners Manuals

In a message dated 8/27/98 6:54:08 PM, you wrote:



owners manual for a 1994 supercab F-150 4x4. The dealer here in Yuma, AZ

was not to helpful. Thanks!

Jerry Hinkle Jr. CPA

"RULEMAKER" 94 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4

"LTS-ROK" 80 JEEP CJ-5>>

I purchased one through the dealer!

BillyBobb
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:04:47 EDT
From: ValleyDECA aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: FTE 80-96 - Owners Manuals

In a message dated 8/27/98 9:00:00 PM, you wrote:



> I was wondering if some one could instruct me as to how I could obtain an
> owners manual for a 1994 supercab F-150 4x4. The dealer here in Yuma, AZ
> was not to helpful. Thanks!

Jerry,
try Helms. The manuals are kinda pricey but are supposed to be
good. Right now I just got the Haynes($13.00 at any parts house)
which has been adequate for me the past two years and Chiltons.
I even went out and bought a Haynes for the mustang.
>>

Wasn't he asking for the "owners manual" and not a shop manual? As I
previously mentioned I purchased an owners manual from the dealer -- the
Haynes shop manual I purchased from Pep Boys. (Haynes manual stinks. It has
been wrong on every adjustment/repair I've tried to make!)

U.B.B.
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:37:09 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS Light

Forwarded for: William Street

I have the same problem on my 90 Ranger 2 wheel drive w/5 speed. Lights came
on after
a very hard stop. My brake guy ran diagnostics and said it was the RABS module
wh*ch
costs about $240 (plus labor). Since I wasn't prepared to fork out the money
at the time,
I've just lived with it - it's kinda like driving w/o ABS - you have to pump....

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