80-96-list-digest Tuesday, August 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 295



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - 85 351W oil leaks
FTE 80-96 - Thanx Gang(Blinkers Fixed)
FTE 80-96 - RE: Towing a Fiat?
FTE 80-96 - RE: OBD II codes
FTE 80-96 - Coolant Temp Sensor Circuit
FTE 80-96 - Power Surge
FTE 80-96 - E4OD Computer
FTE 80-96 - Dashpad
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dashpad
Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Surge
FTE 80-96 - A/C LEAK R-134A CONV.
Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD Computer
FTE 80-96 - 86 Lariat - EGR, AIR PUMP and TEMP SENSOR

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:11:42 -0500
From: "Ralph Ward"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 85 351W oil leaks

I have an 85 F150 with a 351 in it. On an intermittent basis, it will leak
A LOT of oil from the front main seal, but it may only do it every three or
four days. I am curious about why it is not consistent. Any ideas?
regards
Ralph Ward

NOTE: EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGE
NEW ADDRESS: rmward swbell.net


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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:09:45 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Thanx Gang(Blinkers Fixed)

Thanx Guys fir all the help. Its fixed but I don't know why.
Friday I went home and fiddled with my wires under the
dash pulled the turn signal flasher a few times and " WHA LA ".
My blinkers all of a sudden decided to start working.
Don't know if it was the " WHA " or the " LA " :-)
Anyways I drove around all weekend and the blinkers
worked great. I realize this probably is a temporary thing,
and probably have something touching just right for them
to work for now. I will continue looking at it. I did cut some wires
out though. The previous owner never cut the old stuff out.
Just had someone else fix it, but always left the old stuff in if
it didn't get in they're way. So I cleaned up some wiring that went
to noth'n. One thing though, what is that light blue module looking
box that is attached under the dash against the wall ? Its about an 1"
thick and is about a 3 1/2" x 3 1/2". Anyways I will archive all the
replies I recieved and keep and continue looking for the real problem
with my truck. Thanx again gang.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:24:35 -0500
From: Ron Madurski
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Towing a Fiat?

Uhhh, welll, actually, yes. The car is a Fiat X1/9 in DSP trim. I tow
it because it is not registered for the street anymore. I started
towing it to avoid having to find a ride home IF it broke. I've never
had to do that though...

I towed it from Tulsa to Oklahoma City yesterday and it seemed to get
about the same mileage, but I was able to keep the speed up to 70-80 the
whole way :-) I'll be filling the tanks this morning so I'll have a
number on the MPG soon...

- -----Original Message-----
From: msalvetti [mailto:msalvetti mediaone.net]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 1998 9:47 PM
To: Ford Trucks 80-96; rmadurski drd.com
Subject: Towing a Fiat?


A couple of days ago Ron Madurski wrote:

>I was getting 19 MPG around town and 16 towing an 18 ft steel trailer
>with a Fiat on it. I'll see how the next tank does and let y'all know
>where it ends up.

Hey Ron, is this your way of dealing with Fiat's legendary reliability?
Just kidding. Is it a Dino?

Mark
1986 F150
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:37:56 -0500
From: Paul Olson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: OBD II codes

Check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.obdii.com

Jram wrote:

> I am pretty sure that there are some codes that only a Ford NGS scanner will
> retrieve. There are only certain codes that are required by law to be
> generic and the other ones are proprietary so the generic scanners cannot
> retrieve these codes.
> jram swbell.net
> www.ford-trucks.com/tfts



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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:31:40 +1000
From: "Tony"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Coolant Temp Sensor Circuit

Hello,
I have an '86 F150 302. I have noticed for some time that the temperature
guage reads very low at all times, about a maximum of one fifth of full
scale deflection. I have just read the codes from the computer and found
that it is telling me there is a problem in the coolant temp sensor circuit
(code 34 I think) amongst other things.
Can anyone tell me if the temperature guage is fed from the coolant temp
sensor via the computer or is it a completely separate circuit again, with
its own sensor (the same as on older non-computer cars).

I also got a code which told me their was a problem with the thermactor
air system. What is this?

Another code told me that the computer was unable to raise the engine RPM,
even though the engine did indeed rev to a couple of thousand RPM during
the KEOR test. Any ideas?


Thankyou,
Tony.
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:45:24 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Power Surge

Hi Gang,

I have been meaning to ask this for some time since I got back from
vacation. I have a '95 F-150 XLT, 351 w/dual tanks.
While I was on vacation, travelling across eastern Oregon on highway 20,
I was switched to the rear tank after the front was empty and the truck
jumped foreword as the engine sped up and I heard a rumble from what
appeared to be the rear tank. It was about 100+ degrees and I had filled
both tanks up completely at Ontario Oregon before I took the 300 mile
trek to the next gas station in Bend Oregon. It has not done it since
but I am curious what happened. I was out in the middle of nowhere and
when it happened, I thought something had exploded!

Was this just pressure in the tank caused by the heat? If so I thought
the gas cap was vented to release excess pressure? If so do I need a new
gas cap? My theory is that I must have filled the tank up too much and
gas was all the way up to the cap when I filled it. This didn't allow
the vapor out. Has anyone else experienced this?

It doesn't sound like a big deal but geez did it scare the crap out of
me travelling at 80 miles an hour and have the truck jump like someone
hit me in the rear! it was that forceful.

Scott Giddens

Ball Aerospace & Technologies
PO Box 1062
1600 Commerce St.
Boulder, CO 80306
Phone: (303) 939-5122
Fax: (303) 939-4545
E-mail: sgiddens ball.com

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:59:26 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - E4OD Computer

I want to put an E4OD in my '89 F350 which currently has a 5 spd.

Does anyone make an aftermarket computer to control the transmission?

Or, as a alternative, what's involved in retro fitting a computer for the =
E4OD. Currently, the FI is controlled by a factory computer.

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:21:28 EDT
From: SAWithrow aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Dashpad

I heard that I can get my cracked dashpad refinished but I cant find any
information on the company. The carpet and plastic covers just dont fit into
my restoration plan. She is a 1981 F-150 Ranger short bed/flare side. Anyone
know where I can find a tailgate with the raised letters?

Steve
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:57:59 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dashpad

SAWithrow aol.com wrote:
>
> I heard that I can get my cracked dashpad refinished but I cant find any
> information on the company. The carpet and plastic covers just dont fit into
> my restoration plan.
>
There's a company called "Just Dashes". They do more than dashes.
Several people on the mailing list have spoken highly of them.
But they also say to bring a lot of money. I havn't dealt with them.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.justdashes.com.


> She is a 1981 F-150 Ranger short bed/flare side. Anyone
>
I have an '81, too :)

> know where I can find a tailgate with the raised letters?
>
You can't have mine! :) You wouldn't want it, either, I suspect :/
The Mailing List points out every now and then that a dealer
often has parts you wouldn't expect. The worst they can say is "Ain't
got it".

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Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:04:08 -0600 (MDT)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Surge

Hi Neighbor Scott,

Thanks for the experience sharing. I'll drive 10 miles on the rear tank
first after filling now.

Another theory below.


At 10:45 AM 8/24/98 -0600, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:
>Hi Gang,
>
>I have been meaning to ask this for some time since I got back from
>vacation. I have a '95 F-150 XLT, 351 w/dual tanks.
>While I was on vacation, travelling across eastern Oregon on highway 20,
>I was switched to the rear tank after the front was empty and the truck
>jumped foreword as the engine sped up and I heard a rumble from what
>appeared to be the rear tank. It was about 100+ degrees and I had filled
>both tanks up completely at Ontario Oregon before I took the 300 mile
>trek to the next gas station in Bend Oregon. It has not done it since
>but I am curious what happened. I was out in the middle of nowhere and
>when it happened, I thought something had exploded!
>
>Was this just pressure in the tank caused by the heat? If so I thought
>the gas cap was vented to release excess pressure? If so do I need a new
>gas cap? My theory is that I must have filled the tank up too much and
>gas was all the way up to the cap when I filled it. This didn't allow
>the vapor out.

Maybe it let the vapor out but not gas, and the gas was expanding making the
tank like a full bladder needing to pee. I must be getting old but I
remember a few pees that felt as good as an orgasim, maybe that's what
happened for your truck.

zya, Lamar
88 F250 SCab 4x4 rebuilt 7.3 (3k miles)
Longmont, CO

> Has anyone else experienced this?
>
>It doesn't sound like a big deal but geez did it scare the crap out of
>me travelling at 80 miles an hour and have the truck jump like someone
>hit me in the rear! it was that forceful.
>
>Scott Giddens
>
>Ball Aerospace & Technologies
>PO Box 1062
>1600 Commerce St.
>Boulder, CO 80306
>Phone: (303) 939-5122
>Fax: (303) 939-4545
>E-mail: sgiddens ball.com
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:23:53 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - A/C LEAK R-134A CONV.

hey guys,
i have an 89 e-250 300 cid. 6 cyl. just bought the van and my a/c is starting
to lose its punch. thats a no no for me because i live in florida where you
need a/c like oxygen. so it has a slow leak somewhere. any ideas how to find
the leak? fix it. and change it over to r-134a??? do i need to vacum the
system? can i discharge the r-12 into the ground? dont want to hurt that ozone
layer. not where i live anyway. thanks .

j
oe
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:29:56 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD Computer

hey david,
thats not a wise choice. but you do what you like. your tranny is bulletproof.
but the one you are talking about is not.good luck, whatever you decide.

joe
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:54:22 +1000
From: "Tony"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 86 Lariat - EGR, AIR PUMP and TEMP SENSOR

Hello,
I recently had my Lariat fixed, temporarily, until it can be done
properly. There were / are several things wrong with it.

1. It cooked a computer - $500.
2. The EGR was found to be stuck open. This was blanked off for the moment
as a temporary measure (perhaps).
3. The Air pump was found to be faulty. Apparently this was the cause of a
whole heap of oily stuff inside the intake manifold. The air pump belt was
disconnected and the engine seems to still run O.K.
4. The temperature guage reads very low all the time. I am worried that
the Coolant Temp Sensor is telling the computer that the engine is cold
when it is actually hot and therefore pumping in extra petrol.

My questions are;
- Do I need the EGR? If so, does AUS$378 sound expensive. Approximately
how much are they ex-US?

- What does the Air Pump do? I was told it was just a piece of pollution
equipment that was not necessary. Is this true? This does not sound right
to me? Are they expensive or difficult to fix?

- Is the temperature guage driven from the Coolant Temp Sensor? Since the
guage never gets into the 'NORMAL' range, this might suggest a problem with
the CTS? Or does the temperature guage have a seperate sensor?

Any help with the above problems would be much appreciated. I would like to....


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