80-96-list-digest Sunday, August 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 293



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - RE:F150 needs more cooling
FTE 80-96 - Re: OBD II codes
FTE 80-96 - Re: chuck/codes
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: chuck/codes
FTE 80-96 - immediate response appreciated
Re: FTE 80-96 - immediate response appreciated
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Needs more cooling.,...
Re: FTE 80-96 - immediate response appreciated
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Needs more cooling.,...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Blinkers not working
FTE 80-96 - Re: water in oil
FTE 80-96 - Re: Blinkers not working
FTE 80-96 - RE : cooling...how do I check?
FTE 80-96 - white sludge in oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - white sludge in oil
FTE 80-96 - 93 F-150 302
FTE 80-96 - A really silly question
FTE 80-96 - Calling All Kentuckians
Re: FTE 80-96 - white sludge in oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - Old Faithful... or, gas tankus eruptus...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Blinkers not working
Re: FTE 80-96 - A really silly question
Re: FTE 80-96 - white sludge in oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - white sludge in oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - white sludge in oil

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:45:26 EDT
From: BFunk33 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE:F150 needs more cooling

> From: Hawk sktc.net
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:F150 needs more cooling
>
> Ive thought about mounting 2 radiators, one behind the other. I was
> going to run them in parallel, however. To run them in series would
> require more plumbing, IMHO. I never have, because I've always found a
> radiator that would do the job. GDI makes a bolt in kick butt radiator
> that they call the "Heat Buster". It is a copper-brass 4 row radiator
> that will cure heating problems on late model pick-ups. (Chevy really
> has alot of problems running hot). If you don't have a problem like a
> bad fan clutch or a bad thermostat, you might look at one of these. I
> am not associated with GDI in any way, other than being a satisfied
> customer.
>
> If you have driven off road, you might also look for trash build up
> between the AC condenser and radiator. Good Luck. Buck Shoff

I know you're not the original poster...
The original poster might try going to a good radiator shop, and seeing what
they can come up with. Hands-on is usually better than long-distance
diagnosis. The fan clutch may be bad. The radiator may be plugged. The lower
hose may be collapsing. There are a lot of things that may be wrong that we
have no way of seeing.
Then, they may be able to offer a solution that beats all of our offerings.
How about a radiator with one more core row that fits in the same space?
There's a lot of really knowledgeable people here, for sure. But a hands-on
inspection by people who know their stuff can be well worth the trip.
Something to try.
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:31:47 -0500
From: "Jram"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: OBD II codes

I am pretty sure that there are some codes that only a Ford NGS scanner will
retrieve. There are only certain codes that are required by law to be
generic and the other ones are proprietary so the generic scanners cannot
retrieve these codes.
jram swbell.net
www.ford-trucks.com/tfts


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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:36:18 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: chuck/codes

hey chuck, go to this website and it will tell you how to bring up the codes.
you will need the chilton guide for your truck. get a wire to jump the ecc
plug and the small grey plug next to it. you can count the flashes of light
from your check engine light to get the codes. you can do this running or just
the iginition on. dont count the first flash . the flashes will have about 2
seconds in between to tell the code #. good luck.
joe
edge.com/shotimes/SHO3eeccodes.html">EEC Self Test Procedure
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:00:02 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: chuck/codes

chuck,
this is the correct address
edge.com/shotimes/SHO3eeccodes.html">http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.c-
edge.com/shotimes/SHO3eeccodes.html
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:04:37 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - immediate response appreciated

hey guys,
i am going to pull my engine apart today (sat.) and replace the head and
intake gaskets. because of water in my oil.i have never done a head gasket. is
there any special way to postion it upon replacement? or torque it any special
way? any info is appreciated. thanks joe
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:11:12 EDT
From: IMATOOLMAN aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - immediate response appreciated

Joe
Get a book on how to do it and follow the steps
There's much more to it than just pulling and replacing the head
Also do you have a torque wrench? you're gonna need 1
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:16:11 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Needs more cooling.,...

here are some cooling ideas, install a lower temp thermostat, an auxilary fan
mounted on the front of the radiator with the air blowing into the
radiator.(this will keep your ac colder at idle and take alot of head pressure
off the ac compressor) discount auto sells a cooling liquid called liquid
cool. add this to your antifreeze. change your antifreeze 50/50. clean your
radiator and condensor with a degreaser.
spray it on let it sit a few minutes and hose it off. make sure the radiator
fins are clear. as far as a flex fan, i installed one on my 89 f-250 and my
temp went higher than the regular fan. i never had any luck with them. i live
in florida any it gets pretty hot here. these are the chores that i do to my
vehicles and they stay cool as a cucumber. good luck.
joe
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:19:08 EDT
From: IMATOOLMAN aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - immediate response appreciated

Joe what engine is in your truck?
when you reassemble it you will need to know what head bolts to seal with RTV
and what the torque sequence fro the head or heads will be.
so you don't warp the head or break off the head bolts
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:22:55 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Needs more cooling.,...

higgins, if you install a auxillary fan which i reccommend. what i do is hook
up the power wire to the ac compressor wire. when the ac goes on , the fan
goes on. i have never had a problem. i have a limo company and mt stretch
limos sit an idle in the heat with the ac on. all of the stretches have
cooling fans, tranny coolers,and heavy duty radiators.if they are set up the
right way, they can take the heat.

joe
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:36:52 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Blinkers not working

rick, it sounds like you have a short somewhere. were the wires ever
butchered? or a third brakelight hooked up? or does it have a towing connector
hooked up? anything that is tied into those brake/tail lights will give yo a
problem.the same problem happened to my buddys 89 f-250 and it was a screw up
job from the previous owner that hooked up the trailer wire. get back to me,
so i can help you further.

joe
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:52:55 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: water in oil

>i have an 89 e-250 with a 4.9 300 6 cyl. i just purchased it.
>changed the
>oil , and put about 500 miles on a long trip. i noticed my oil
>pressure
>dropping a little. i checked my oil and found a white residue on the
>stick.
>oil level was ok. at the end of my trip i checked it again and noticed
>a
>little more of a white milky color on the stick. when its cold the oil
>pressure is ok. but when it warms up it drops. also there is no white
>smoke
>from the exhaust. could it be a head gasket?, or intake manifold
>gasket? any
>ideas appreciated. joe

I had a similar problem with my 300: milky oil and yucky coolant. I'll
get flamed for saying this, but I didn't want to pull the head so I used
some of that stop-leak powder (Prestone brand, as I recall) and so far it
has worked fine. Some say it clogs water passages, and they're probably
right, but I figured that if it did I would have to pull the head anyway
so nothing to lose. Be sure to flush out your coolant 'cause there's
probably oil in there, too. This is the Achilles heel of big inline
engines: long head castings are easily warped. I believe inline diesels
often use several smaller heads rather than one long one. The Cat large
engine factory is in my town; some of those big inlines are so huge it
takes a lowboy tractor-trailer to transport one!

lordjanusz juno.com

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:17:38 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Blinkers not working

Wojo writes:

> I am still trying to disect my electrical blinker problem.
>I have made sure that all bulbs(front and back) are good
>and all the fuses are good and I bought a new flasher. My
>brake lights work fine but the turn signals are all screwed
>up. Here are my symptoms.
>When I mash on the brake I get a constant left turn light
>for both front and back. That is with the key out of the ignition
>and the flasher pulled out. Then when I turn the ignition on
>then I still get the exact same thing still with the flasher in or
>out.
>Now with ignition on and I mash on the brake I get that constant
>left turn signal, but if I add the right turn signal then both stay
>on constant. I reaLLY HATE elect problems and need help.

I have to go through this process every spring with our rusty old horse
trailers. I suspect you have a bad ground in one of your light sockets.
I've fixed lots of weird permutations of this problem by fixing rusted
out grounds. BTW, did you know that you have TWO flashers on your fuse
panel? The hazard flasher is seperate from the turn signal, and located
on the BACK of the panel (accassable from under the dash). Just be glad
you have a Ford. I've had to do electrical work on several GMC vehicles
and they are VERY hard to work on. Poor design. Fortunately I got my
equestrian friends to trade in their Suburban for an F250HD shortbed
crew cab. Nice truck!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:48:05 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE : cooling...how do I check?

Andre,
I really don't know..... when I ordered the truck I had 3
choices, I said give me the max.(super duty cooling). I know the
thermostatic clutch on the fan is supposed to be extra stiff at all
speeds and the radiator is at least two cores if not three, power
steering line has a loop that runs under the engine to dissipate heat
from the PS system, who knows what else. The reason I know about the
stiff fan is because I had the dealer replace it when it was under
warranty because it never totally freewheeled, (no matter how darn cold
it was...-32 Feven ) they replaced it with a new super duty unit and it
was exactly the same. They said it was supposed to be that way. You give
up some mileage and make more noise but you don't overheat. It's worked
so far. Walt
> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:11:30 -0400
> From: Andre Roy
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: More cooling
>
> Posluszny, Walt (POSL) wrote:
> >
> > My 1985 F-150 was ordered with the Super duty cooling package. In
> 1985
> > you had regular duty(std.), heavy duty, and super duty.....
> >
> Ford Neophine alert! :)
>
> How do I tell what cooling system I have. I went into Canadian Tire to
> check on hoses etc for my 81 F150, 300CID, automatic. It gave the
> option
> of Regular or Heavy duty. So how do I tell which one I have? At least
> without comparing it to other trucks.
>
> - --
> Andre
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:41:42 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - white sludge in oil

hey fellas,
before i pull apart my engine, i want to make sure its the head gasket. i just
bought this van 89 e-250 4.9 6 cyl. i was laid up non running in the back of
this guys house for 6 months. its got 177k on it. the engine was rebuilt at
93k. i changed the oil on it. added engine restore and oil stop leak because
on a rear main seal leak. now no leaks. but after driving it about 200 miles.
i checked the oil because i noticed my oil pressure was not that great
(fluctuating) to my surprise i found a little white residue on the edge of the
stick and a little chunk of white sludge at the tip. the oil level was ok.and
the oil looked fine. i drove it another 300 miles and found the same thing.
could there be crap at the bottom of my oil pan? i dont know. i pulled the
valve cover when i first bought it and the head was clean. like new. any
ideas would be apprec.

joe
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:25:06 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - white sludge in oil

My .02,

If you changed the oil, any amount of sediment now would be after the fact
problems. If the amount of white sludge is negligible, it's possible it's
condensation from sitting up. It the amount is consistent, and there is no
noticible loss of coolant, I'd say that's it.

If the amount doesn't increase, or, if you change the oil and it doesn't
re-appear, it's condensation.

The water is coming from somewhere. If it's condensation, you'll never fill
the radiator.

Sometimes, on occasion, oil will also show up in the radiator.

Either way... I think the ole rad will give you the answer.

Bob


At 05:41 PM 8/22/98 EDT, you wrote:
>hey fellas,
>before i pull apart my engine, i want to make sure its the head gasket.

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:41:42 EDT
From: DHall8577 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 93 F-150 302

In a message dated 98-08-19 06:43:10 EDT, you write:


3-
speed auto (84k miles).

I traded a Geo Metro that got 50+ mpg for the truck. :-) I knew the mileage
wasn't going to be good, but I expected better than the 15-16 mpg I'm
getting.
Is this normal?

I'm not a speed freak, and performance is good, but if there were some simple
things I could do to help performance or gas mileage, I'd like to hear about
them. >>
Yes my friend, this is normal, actually you are getting quite good gas
mileage, I have a 94 F-150 inline 6 4.9 automatic and I get 17 mpg with out
the A/C on 15mpg with.

Dave
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:27:15 -0500
From: "Brian J. Babiuk"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - A really silly question

I know you guys will all be chuckling out loud once you read my question.

I have a 1995 Ford F-150 XL which I bought used. Please keep in mind that
this is my first Ford ever. It has an AM-FM radio (Factory issue), which I
will replace eventually. However, since I don't have the "Stereo Manual"
that was supposed to come with the vehicle if you purchased it new, how do
you set the radio station "Pre-Set" buttons? I can't stand it!!! At least
with the GM radios it had a set button! Please excuse my ignorance!
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bbabiuk escape.ca Winnipeg, MB
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 23:56:34 -0400
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Calling All Kentuckians

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I usually haunt the Pre '61 list, but I
need to get a message across to more than the people on that list. I
want to compile a list of all FTE people in the Kentucky area. The
reason is that I want to get as many of us together as possible to form
a club that would be associated with the Ford Truck Enthusiasts website.
This would be a dues-paying club with 2 primary purposes:

1. To give us all an excuse to get together and talk about our
trucks
2. To help support this web site we all enjoy.

I am not saying I want to preside over such a club, but I know there
has to be more than just me and Ken Laffoon here in the Bluegrass that
own, drive, and love their Ford truck(s) enough to be associated with
this website. Let's get together and hash it out, and do something that
looks vaguely organized.
- --
Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
innaccesible part of the vehicle."

grover ford-trucks.com


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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 23:55:05 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - white sludge in oil

hey bob thanks for the reply, i drained the oil and found no water in the
oil.i scraped the inside bottom of the oil pan and it was clean.the coolant is
clean.must be that oil pressure sender.when i check the oil i noticed little
bubbles on the oil stick. but no water. when the oil warms up it seems to drop
my oil pressure. i am using 10w30. and the oil was just changed 600 miles ago.
should i step up to a heavier oil? its a 4.9 , 6 cylinder.

joe
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:01:36 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Old Faithful... or, gas tankus eruptus...

Jeff,
BEEN THERE DONE THAT!!! Believe it or not except that mine didn't
shoot the gas it came out in a mist/spray kinda thing and about 8" out
from the filler. Two years ago while camping I lost my tailpipe and
muffler at a rest area. I wired the muffler back up but on the way
home fuel was spraying down the side of the truck and camper (my buddy
was behind me and told me). Pulled over and same as you heard the
hissing, broke (turned) the cap to release the pressure build-up and
waited what seemed like 5 minutes and still had the leak. Removed the
cap and hot air and cold liquid were spraying out. I was not using
that tank at that time, but switched to it to try to pump out the gas
before it could do it again, but to no avail. Put the cap on just a
turn or two to prevent spillage and that got me home. The muffler was
resting against the right (pass) side framerail and right NEXT to the
fuel line. Had the fixed the following morning and no other problems
since. You could try to reroute the fuel line to the other side or on
the outside of the frame rail and see what that does.

Later,
Randy (Brew)



Jeff Fisher wrote:
>
- -----SNIP-----
>
> No biggie, just a little pressure build up... I popped the gas cap off
> to relieve said pressure and the damn gas started gushing out, I backed
> away and then it really started SPRAYING out ot the filler.. I'm
> talking a fountain 15 feet in the air, this eruption lasted for what
> seemed like 5 minutes but was actually only a minute or so....
>
> I deduced that the fuel in the tank was brought up to boiling
> temperature because of the long slow trip and the proximity of the huge
> muffler to the tank. Once the cap was taken off the liquid really
> started to boil with a passion (kinda like lifting the lid on a pressure
> cooker before cooling it off sufficiently).
>
> The stock muffler is huge and runs right along the length of the tank
> just on the other side of the drive shaft, the long low speed drive at
> high rpms combined to make for some excitement...
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:16:18 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Blinkers not working

Rick,
Take my word for it, ANYTHING is possible w/electrical. I didn't
catch how long you've had this vehicle, but I once bought a T/A and
got a pretty good deal on it because all the turn signals and dash
lights would light (slightly dimmer than usual) when the brake pedal
was depressed. All the bulbs were intact, but after getting
frustrated and deciding to re-check them the guy had put the wrong
bulb in. He put a signal filiment buld in where a dual filiment
should be. The single pole at the bottom of the bulb shorted between
the taillights and brake lights. New bulb and problem fixed. If
you've had the truck for a long time I would consider this not very
helpful, but informative none-the-less.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Rick Wojciechowski wrote:
>
> Gang,
> I am still trying to disect my electrical blinker problem.
> I have made sure that all bulbs(front and back) are good
> and all the fuses are good and I bought a new flasher. My
> brake lights work fine but the turn signals are all screwed
> up. Here are my symptoms.

- -----SNIP-----
> --
> Thanks,
> Rick Wojo
> '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
> '92 Mstng 5.0L
> '95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:31:41 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - A really silly question

Brian,
Never had factory stereo in my Ford and never will, but most of the
new models (factory and aftermarket) require that once you tune in the
station you push in the preset button that you'd like to have that
station on and hold it for about 3 seconds. There's usually a beep to
acknowledge you've held it in long enough. Or the sound may cut out
for a few seconds and once it returns that means you've stored the new
station. For a good look at some aftermarket units check out
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.crutchfield.com
Any other q's about car audio feel free to ask.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Brian J. Babiuk wrote:
>
> I know you guys will all be chuckling out loud once you read my question.
>
> I have a 1995 Ford F-150 XL which I bought used. Please keep in mind that
> this is my first Ford ever. It has an AM-FM radio (Factory issue), which I
> will replace eventually. However, since I don't have the "Stereo Manual"
> that was supposed to come with the vehicle if you purchased it new, how do
> you set the radio station "Pre-Set" buttons? I can't stand it!!! At least
> with the GM radios it had a set button! Please excuse my ignorance!
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Brian J. Babiuk 19 Arbor Grove
> bbabiuk escape.ca Winnipeg, MB
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:35:06 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - white sludge in oil

Joe, see reply below

JSC721 aol.com wrote:
>
> hey fellas,

- -----SNIP-----

added engine restore and oil stop leak because

- -----SNIP-----

Joe, this would be my first suspect. Follow the other advice about
checking it after your next oil change.

Later,
Randy (Brew)
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:52:12 EDT
From: FSTFORDS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - white sludge in oil

could be condensation...
m. long
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