80-96-list-digest Tuesday, August 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 278



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: New Jersey Lift Law
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: New Jersey Lift Law
FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idling F150
FTE 80-96 - Diesel water in fuel light question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - 95 Ranger Air Conditioner Cycling
FTE 80-96 - RE:Sulfur smell in exhaust
FTE 80-96 - Rade
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE:Sulfur smell in exhaust
FTE 80-96 - OEM Am/Fm-CD player
Re: FTE 80-96 - voltage problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300 Inline Six
RE: FTE 80-96 - voltage problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300 Inline Six
Re: RE: FTE 80-96 - voltage problem
RE: RE: FTE 80-96 - voltage problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - voltage problem
RE: FTE 80-96 - 300 Inline Six

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:37:37 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: New Jersey Lift Law

I don't have a problem with the proposed law. Extremely modified suspension
vehicles are great fun for off-road purposes. But they pose a danger to the
public when driven on the highways and streets.

Many will disagree, but I feel we owe the public some consideration. Because
we drive vehicles on the street which cause John Q. to believe we are
endangering his family, law makers are going to restrict us.

Extremely modified suspension vehicles are really SPECIAL PURPOSE vehicles.
The best way to handle the restrictive laws of New Jersey is to trailer the
vehicles to and from those events in which they are used.

I admit not everyone can afford the tow vehicle and trailer this requires but
it appears to be the only solution that will satisfy the public.

Donning my asbestos underwear, I remain,

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:32:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: R Lindberg / E Winnie
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: New Jersey Lift Law

On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 JDavis1277 aol.com wrote:

> I don't have a problem with the proposed law. Extremely modified suspension
> vehicles are great fun for off-road purposes.
Agreed, some off-road don't belong on the road, just as some racing cars
don't belong on the road.

>But they pose a danger to the
> public when driven on the highways and streets.
It isn't just the public, high lift off-road and tend to roll easier. If
a single vehicle rolls and the people in it end up in the hospital, and
can't pay for it, we (those that do pay our bills) have to make up for it.
Of course most people can pay their bills, but there are always a few that
don't.

> Extremely modified suspension vehicles are really SPECIAL PURPOSE vehicles.
> The best way to handle the restrictive laws of New Jersey is to trailer the
> vehicles to and from those events in which they are used.
I think part of the problem is people not wanting to pay $$$$$ for a
vehicle that they can't drive on the road (be it race or off-road).
Plan fact is, there are some vehicles, that due to their SPECIAL PURPOSE
design, should not be on the road, the question comes in drawing that
line.

Ralph Lindberg N7BSN ICQ#5988954
RV and Camping FAQ
If Windows is the answer, I -really- want to know what the question is.


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:44:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott M Golly
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle

Hello Fellow Ford Readers,

I have more on the rough idle problem where I was told to replace the
TPS. I didn't replace the TPS yet but this weekend, I reset the
onboard computer, in hopes that that would fix it. No change but the
Check engine light came on. I did! no problems fired it back up and
the light didn't come on. I continued to drive and the let off the gas
to cost around a turn and the truck stalled out. This truck is really
well maintained. It is really starting to bug me.

My problem is that my 5.8L is idling real rough and it has a throttle
response delay as I told you before. I thought a miss was the culprit
and got rid of the spark plugs and wires. No luck! Other info -
Hypertech chip, K&N Air charger kit, 9mm plug wires, Accel Cap and
Rotor, etc. I also have dual free flow Stainless Steel Exhaust ANY
RECOMMENDATIONS??? If you have a solution to that, I want more
horsepower, any recommendations.

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:05:50 -0500
From: "Chad A. Dietrich"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idling F150

This is by no means a fix. I have and had a 86 and 91 F150 both 5.0 and the both
started to run rough at around 70k the only thing I found was to add a bottle of
sea foam or regain to the tank then it would idle good for 1000-2000 miles. But
there has to be another cure. Just thought I'd give you my experience

Norman Maranda wrote:

> HI, ALL
> My 1994 Ford F150 4X4 with a 5.0 Liter Engine is idling rough. I changed my
> plugs and wires and it seemed to help alittle but it is still running rough.
> I
> read that you guys reccomend changing the TPS; How would I do that and how
> much is one of thoes sensors go for??? Also My Temperature Gauge is reading
> low
> would this have an impact on the rough idling? How would I change a
> temperature
> sensor and how much would it cost??? Thank in advance
>
> --
> NAME: Norman J. Maranda Jr.
> TITLE: STRESS ANALYST
> DEPT: D464
> E-MAIL ADDRESS: nmaranda gdeb.com
> WORK #: (860) 433-1652
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:26:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Jay V."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Diesel water in fuel light question

I have a 91 F250 4x4 with the 7.3 diesel. The water in fuel light has been
flickering slightly. I drained off the bottom water drain on the fuel
filter but noticed no water. It was still flickering so I put in a new
fuel filter (the previous one was changed less than 5000 miles earlier)
and it still was flickering. It doesn't come on fully just flickers.
Anyone have any idea why this would be happening?=20

=2E.Jay

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Jay VanValkenberg -- jayvanv teleport . com -- remove spaces to email.
"Hardcore ATV'er" (thanks Don!) Honda TRX310R, TRX250X ; Suzuki LT80
-- Homepage coming soon -- Standard Disclaimers -- =20

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:28:30 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle

Pull the codes from the computer.....
and remove the Hypertech chip.

After you reset the computer, did you turn on ALL accessories for 2 minutes,
and then turn off ALL accessories for 2 minutes?
This is how you set the idle once the computer has been reset.


Also, Clean your Idle Air Bypass Valve.

Check out the following for instructions.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.corral.net/tech/ It's a mustang site, but the same instructions
apply for a truck with EEC-IV.

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From: Scott M Golly
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 12:07 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle


> Hello Fellow Ford Readers,
>
> I have more on the rough idle problem where I was told to replace the
> TPS. I didn't replace the TPS yet but this weekend, I reset the
> onboard computer, in hopes that that would fix it. No change but the
> Check engine light came on. I did! no problems fired it back up and
> the light didn't come on. I continued to drive and the let off the gas
> to cost around a turn and the truck stalled out. This truck is really
> well maintained. It is really starting to bug me.
>
> My problem is that my 5.8L is idling real rough and it has a throttle
> response delay as I told you before. I thought a miss was the culprit
> and got rid of the spark plugs and wires. No luck! Other info -
> Hypertech chip, K&N Air charger kit, 9mm plug wires, Accel Cap and
> Rotor, etc. I also have dual free flow Stainless Steel Exhaust ANY
> RECOMMENDATIONS??? If you have a solution to that, I want more
> horsepower, any recommendations.
>
> Scott
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:50:14 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 95 Ranger Air Conditioner Cycling

>From: Allen Baldwin
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - 95 Ranger Air Conditioner Cycling
>
> Gentlemen....the compressor on my 95 Ranger cycles
>every 10 seconds whether the air conditioning is selected
>or not . The only way to stop this cycling is to select "off"
>which also eliminates all fresh air so that I roast!
> I am told that I can unplug the cable to the electric
>clutch/pulley on the compressor but this will eliminate the
>air conditioning altogether !!! Any ideas ??? Allen

Yo Allen:

I think you may have two different problems. If the AC compressor cycles
rapidly, it usually means that the system is low on refrigerant. Probably
has a small leak and needs re-charged.

Compressor cycling when AC (or defrost/mix) is not selected probably means
a wiring/switch problem. I'd pull the AC/heater controls from the dash and
look for something out of place there. Many Ford vehicles are designed to
run the AC compressor whenever defrost (or mix, which is also defrost) is
selected to de-humidify the air blown onto the windshield. If you truck
does that, it's probably normal.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:50:21 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:Sulfur smell in exhaust

Either your truck is running too rich or there's too much sulfur
in your gas. Change brands of gas first. See if the smell goes away. If
not your engine could be running a bit rich. Walt

> Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 20:33:35 -0700
> From: Gene Ball
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - exhaust smell?
>
> Anybody know why my exhaust would smell like gun powder-firecrackers?
> Is there anything I can add to the gas tank to help insure I will pass
> a
> emissions test?
> My exhaust system is new! 1984 F150 4x4 300I-6 automatic.
> Thanks Geno
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:03:17 -0700
From: Rick Fredericksen
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rade

Rade, Thanks for the response , after a few turns around
the block it cleared up... thanks again Rick

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:46:43 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE:Sulfur smell in exhaust

Posluszny, Walt (POSL) wrote:
>
> Either your truck is running too rich or there's too much sulfur
> in your gas. Change brands of gas first. See if the smell goes away. If
> not your engine could be running a bit rich. Walt
>
> > Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 20:33:35 -0700
> > From: Gene Ball
> > Subject: FTE 80-96 - exhaust smell?
> >
> > Anybody know why my exhaust would smell like gun powder-firecrackers?
> > Is there anything I can add to the gas tank to help insure I will pass
> > a
> > emissions test?
> > My exhaust system is new! 1984 F150 4x4 300I-6 automatic.
> > Thanks Geno
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My ranger done this when the O2 sensor went bad!
Hope this helps
Chris
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:26:21 -0400
From: Chris Robinson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - OEM Am/Fm-CD player

Hello,

Anyone out there have a OEM Am/Fm-CD player that they'd like to sell?
Must be in very good condition and everything must work.

If so, email me with description and price to Chris Robinson
slvrfrst bellatlantic.net

Thanks,

Chris

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:01:57 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - voltage problem

Is there an easy way to tell the amperage rating on my truck's alternator?

>>> "Radoje Spasojevic" 08/05 5:54 PM >>>
If you want a more powerful alternator you can get a 130Amp Motorcraft =
from
your Ford dealer. hat alternator went on '95+ Mustangs and can be put on =
a
truck with minor wiring modifications.

Rade
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From: JSC721 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - voltage problem


>hey brian, thanks for the info. i wonder if anybody else has had this
problem
>besides us.well i will look into a more powerful alternator.
> joe
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:17:00 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300 Inline Six

Whats the address for the PERF web site?


Gotta wonder what supercharging would do for this situation. Anybody ever
blow a big six? Probably a question for the PERF list, but most of those =
guys
are into big blocks. Can't blame 'em--makes sense in a truck!


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:44:30 -0600
From: "Brian Soderblom"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - voltage problem

Most auto parts stores can tell you. What year is your truck? If it
has the internally regulated external fan alternator (two plugs, and
fan exposed) it's probably a 40A 65A peak or 75-80A replacement
alternator.

Brian

> Is there an easy way to tell the amperage rating on my
> truck's alternator?
>
> >>> "Radoje Spasojevic" 08/05 5:54 PM >>>
> If you want a more powerful alternator you can get a 130Amp
> Motorcraft from
> your Ford dealer. hat alternator went on '95+ Mustangs and
> can be put on a
> truck with minor wiring modifications.
>
> Rade
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> From: JSC721 aol.com
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 4:23 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - voltage problem
>
>
> >hey brian, thanks for the info. i wonder if anybody else
> has had this
> problem
> >besides us.well i will look into a more powerful alternator.
> > joe
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:25:43 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300 Inline Six

David have you been to cliffordperformance.com
Anyways I have a 300I-6 I put about $3500 in the my motor, just the top!
cam kit , valve job, decked the head, ported the head, 4 barrel intake and carb,

headers, ignition, distributor, and a bunch of petty stuff! It runs much better!
But it still needs to be jetted and tuned, plus I need a little longer pushrod
before I try to get it all dialed in. Any qustions? Just ask!
Geno
David Sagers wrote:

> Whats the address for the PERF web site?
>
> Gotta wonder what supercharging would do for this situation. Anybody ever
> blow a big six? Probably a question for the PERF list, but most of those guys
> are into big blocks. Can't blame 'em--makes sense in a truck!
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:11:43 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: Re: RE: FTE 80-96 - voltage problem

My truck is a '89 F350 CC 4X4 XLT Lariet.

>>> "Brian Soderblom" 08/10 4:44 PM >>>
Most auto parts stores can tell you. What year is your truck? If it
has the internally regulated external fan alternator (two plugs, and
fan exposed) it's probably a 40A 65A peak or 75-80A replacement
alternator.

Brian


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:25:05 -0600
From: "Brian Soderblom"
Subject: RE: RE: FTE 80-96 - voltage problem

Then the odds are you have the crappy G2 alt Ford used during the
88-93 years on most of their vehicles. (Not certain about the F350
tho.) But, if you have the alt i described below, you can change it
out for a 94/95 Mustang V8 alternator (it has the same bolt pattern)
and a minor change to the wiring. If you want details email me off
the list.

- --
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brian soderblom.net
(303) 903-3346 ICQ# 4603281


> My truck is a '89 F350 CC 4X4 XLT Lariet.
>
> >>> "Brian Soderblom" 08/10 4:44 PM >>>
> Most auto parts stores can tell you. What year is your
> truck? If it
> has the internally regulated external fan alternator (two plugs, and
> fan exposed) it's probably a 40A 65A peak or 75-80A replacement
> alternator.
>
> Brian
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:08:17 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle

Try taking out the Hypertech chip and seeing if that solves the problem you
might have a bad chip (I'm not a big fan of chips anyway).

Rade
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From: Scott M Golly
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 3:56 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle


> Hello Fellow Ford Readers,
>
> I have more on the rough idle problem where I was told to replace the
> TPS. I didn't replace the TPS yet but this weekend, I reset the
> onboard computer, in hopes that that would fix it. No change but the
> Check engine light came on. I did! no problems fired it back up and
> the light didn't come on. I continued to drive and the let off the gas
> to cost around a turn and the truck stalled out. This truck is really
> well maintained. It is really starting to bug me.
>
> My problem is that my 5.8L is idling real rough and it has a throttle
> response delay as I told you before. I thought a miss was the culprit
> and got rid of the spark plugs and wires. No luck! Other info -
> Hypertech chip, K&N Air charger kit, 9mm plug wires, Accel Cap and
> Rotor, etc. I also have dual free flow Stainless Steel Exhaust ANY
> RECOMMENDATIONS??? If you have a solution to that, I want more
> horsepower, any recommendations.
>
> Scott
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:40:36 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - voltage problem

If you can find the part # on the alternator I'm sure the dealership could
tell you.

Rade
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From: David Sagers
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - voltage problem


Is there an easy way to tell the amperage rating on my truck's alternator?

>>> "Radoje Spasojevic" 08/05 5:54 PM >>>
If you want a more powerful alternator you can get a 130Amp Motorcraft from
your Ford dealer. hat alternator went on '95+ Mustangs and can be put on a
truck with minor wiring modifications.

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: JSC721 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - voltage problem


>hey brian, thanks for the info. i wonder if anybody else has had this
problem
>besides us.well i will look into a more powerful alternator.
> joe
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:16:40 -0500
From: Anthony Rio
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 300 Inline Six

My 300 I6 has no problem doing 80 mph. Don't know how much faster I need to go!! :)

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From: Paul M Radecki [SMTP:lordjanusz juno.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 1998 1:06 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 300 Inline Six

The big 6 has diesel-like low end performance but no top end to speak of.
Mine can tow anything but is really slow, even with a K&N. Mechanically
speaking, the bottom end should last forever (7 main bearings, vs. 4 on a....

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