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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: manual stick/rear main
Re: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD
FTE 80-96 - F-150 Nascar
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Nascar
FTE 80-96 - Gotta Sell My F350 Centurion
FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD
FTE 80-96 - AOD trans
Re: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD
Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD trans
Re: FTE 80-96 - Knock Sensor
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: manual stick/rear main
FTE 80-96 - 1980 Ford Ranger
Re: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD
Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD trans
Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD trans
Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD trans

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:49:16 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: manual stick/rear main

Dave Resch wrote:

> Yo Casey:
>
> Since I didn't have a 19mm deep well socket, I just used a pipe wrench w/
> about a four foot section of heavy steel pipe as a cheater bar and those
> nasty metric nuts came right off. Broke off one of the bolts, too.

Dave, Actually the two size sockets/wrenches are 18mm and 15mm.
And I too had to use a 3foot, 1/2" drive breaker bar to get both
the crossmember nuts and the transmission bolts off two weeks
ago.
One tip, although it does work in some cases Wd-40 is not
meant to free siezed bolts. Its purpose is to displace water.
I have used Wd-40 for a long time until I was informed of
this. As a test I used liquid wrench this last weekend when I
replaced my ball joints. Liquid wrench is what I will stay with
from now on for seized and hard to get out nuts/bolts. :-) Also,
another tip is to use anti-seize on those hard to get off bolts and
you shouldn't have that problem again. :-) Anti-seize can be
bought at any half way decent parts store.


> Anyway, after I cleaned up all the parts and got the tranny back in place,
> I replaced all those #% #! metric doodads w/ brand new Grade 8 SAE nuts
> and bolts.
>
> The actual tranny mounting point on my truck was at the back of the
> extension between the tranny and transfer case. I just had to disconnect
> the front and rear drive shafts and disconnect it from the extension to
> drop the transfer case. To get out the tranny and extension, I had to take
> out the crossmember.
>
> As for resurfacing the flywheel, I would always recommend doing that when
> changing a worn out clutch. I can guarantee you that there are "hot" spots
> and grooves on your flywheel from wearing out a clutch disk. Those can be
> removed and the balance of the flywheel maintained by a simple resurfacing
> on a lathe. I know you pay more for goods and services up there in Alaska,
> but the cost of resurfacing the flywheel should be pretty reasonable.
> Consider it to be an insurance payment that will double the life of the new
> clutch disk. Also, many clutch manufacturers will void their warranty if
> you don't resurface the flywheel.
>
> When you take the flywheel off the back of the crankshaft, use a metal
> stamp to mark the alignment of the flywheel relative to the crank so you
> don't screw up the engine's balance. I don't know if your 351W is
> externally balanced or not, but my 351M is, and the flywheel is part of the
> balance so its position on the crankshaft is critical.
>
> >I am leary about changing the rear
> >main becasue of the fact you have to loosen the rod caps
> >and drop the crank a hare. It leaks, but in the 3,000 between
> >changes, it has never used more than 1/4 cup. Now
> >antifreeze on the other hand, well it was about 1 quart a
> >week before unplugging the core..... I will be sure to check
> >out the spindle needle bearings, thanks for letting me in on
> >that one.
>
> Not fixing a leaking rear main is kind of risky. On one hand, the rate of
> leakage you have experienced is not much to worry about, especially if the
> old clutch components show NO signs of oil contamination. On the other
> hand, a leaky seal almost always gets worse over time and never gets better
> on its own.
>
> While the transmission is out of the truck, the rear main seal is more
> accessible now than ever. Replacing the seal now will guarantee you tens
> of thousands of trouble-free miles. If your engine has less than 150K
> miles on it, I would replace the seal, knowing it will be worthwhile. If
> you already have well over 150K miles on the engine, you could chance it
> and plan to rebuild the engine when the leak gets really bad or sooner.
>
> Good luck w/ your truck.
>
> Dave R. (M-block devotee)
>
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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:06:42 -0400
From: Doug Tinsman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD

Can't be practically done in my opinion.

David Butts wrote:

> What size tires are needed to give an effective ratio of 3.55? When you
> have 4.10 gears.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Tinsman
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 11:25 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD
>
> >I have owned three Ford diesels and know many people who own them.
> >
> >Your problem is the 4:10 gears. I have seen this over and over! I do not
> >know why Ford isn't more informative about the mileage and how gear ratio
> >REALLY affects it with these trucks.
> >
> >My brother traded a 96 F250 with only 10,000 miles because of the bad
> >mileage. His situation was similar. He towed loads like yours and was
> >getting mileage like yours. He now has a 97 F350 CC PSD 4X4(old body and
> >better looking) with 3:55 gears and is getting 17 -20 mpg.
> >
> >The PSD, in most applications and including yours, would perform much
> better
> >across the board with 3:55 ratio.
> >
> >Ford sales people are, for the most part, ignorant about the practical use
> >of their products. I have seen more 4:10 ratios on the dealer lots then any
> >other axle, even in the V-10 engine trucks, gimme a break! Our local dealer
> >learned from his customer's complaints and stared ordering the trucks with
> >3:55 ratios.
> >
> >>From my experience, the old Ford diesels engines will get the same
> >mileage(what ever it is) towing or with the A/C on or with a load in the
> bed
> >etc. etc. I don't know if it is the same with all diesels. I know it makes
> >no difference what the load is, they get the same mileage for the most
> part.
> >Don't expect to make a large mpg difference by the little things you do.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Chris Foye
> >To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> >Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 2:24 PM
> >Subject: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD
> >
> >
> >>I have an F350 97 CC PSD (old body style) with the 4.10 rear gearing, open
> >>bed. I regularly tow a 3500lb boat with it.
> >>Here is what I'm finding, I usually get around 12mpg around town and
> >>anywhere from 12 to 15 without towing on the freeway. Last weekend, I
> >>loaded up the truck with 5 passengers at about 600lbs, boat in tow at
> >>around 3500lbs, equipment accounted for about 200lbs and freeway cruising
> >>was 65mph at 2300rpm with cruise control. The total trip was 350 miles
> >>round trip with 4 passes total and a little bit of climbing towards the
> >>end. Got back and filled up the tanks, and low and behold 12mpg.
> >>When I researched to purchase the truck I opted for the diesel because of
> >>the gas mileage, I posed the mileage question to the group and most were
> >>getting in the high teens,, I was expecting to get around 15 freeway
> towing
> >>and around 17 -19 not towing. I currently have 10,500 miles on it and it
> >>hasn't changed since new.
> >>Is there something I should look into? Could it be gas, open bed, gearing
> >>to tall? What are others finding with similar trucks? I really thought I
> >>would get better gas mileage with the "beast" but, I'm a little
> >disappointed.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Chris
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:00:59 -0700
From: Jon Berman
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Nascar

Hello,
Does anyone have any information on the 1998 F-150 with the special
Nascar package. I really like the looks of it (except for some of the
graphics) but can't tell what all the differences are from a stock F-150
- -- and of course the salesmen aren't sure. Also, is there a picture
available somewhere on line of this vehicle?

Thanks for any help,

Jon
1994 F-150
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:30:57 -0400
From: "C. E. White"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Nascar

Take a look at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordvehicles.com/nascar/index.html

The text from this site follows:

Ford F-Series and NASCAR, a relationship as natural as the American cowboy
and his rodeo. After 50 years of building trucks and 50 years of melting
asphalt, Ford trucks and NASCAR come together. As the Official Truck of
NASCAR, Ford F-150 and new F-350 Super Duty (shown in red) are outfitted
and equipped to support all racing divisions, including the legendary
Winston Cup.

Right now , enthusiasts can buy the limited edition F-150 at selected
dealerships. This limited-edition black bull dons the official NASCAR logo
and checkered graphics, has black 16" 10 spoke NASCAR style wheels shod with
yellow-lettered Goodyear tires, Roush Performance front air dam and dual tip
polished stainless steel exhausts. The NASCAR edition F-150 chassis has been
lowered 2" and equipped with a specially tuned sport suspension. A 3.73 rear
axle delivers power supplied by the modular Triton(TM) 4.6-liter V8. So,
saddle up and get on down the road in your very own NASCAR edition F-150.

Regards,

Ed

Jon wrote:

> Hello,
> Does anyone have any information on the 1998 F-150 with the special
> Nascar package. I really like the looks of it (except for some of the
> graphics) but can't tell what all the differences are from a stock F-150
> -- and of course the salesmen aren't sure. Also, is there a picture
> available somewhere on line of this vehicle?
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Jon
> 1994 F-150
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:13:40 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gotta Sell My F350 Centurion

FOR SALE 1988 F-350 4X4 Lariat XLT Crew Cab, Centurion Package. E-mail =
pics now available. Fully Loaded, Low Mileage - 65K and Excellent =
Condition. =20

Leer Shell with Extended Top and Bike Rack. Alcoa Aluminum Wheels. Lots =
of Lights; on Top of Cab, in Rear Wheel Flares, Etc. Grill Guard with =
Lights, Running Boards Illuminated along Entire Length. =20

Captain Chairs, Oak Console, Chrome Bumpers, Visor, Under Coated, Towing =
Package, Class III Receiver Hitch & Factory Wiring Harness, Electric =
Brakes. =20

PS, PB, Air, PW, Power Locks, Cruise, Alpine AM-FM Cass Stereo & Alarm =
system. 5 Spd. Overdrive, Dually, Two Tone Paint, Burgundy with Silver =
Stripes/Design, Aluminum Bed Rails, Tailgate Protector, Bedliner, Sliding =
Rear Window. E-mail or Call David (801) 339-1499. $16,200 obo.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:06:30 PDT
From: "Jorge Ramirez"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD


Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD
What size tires are needed to give an effective ratio of 3.55? When you
have 4.10 gears.- -----Original Message-----
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David, try going to www.tirerack.com they have a tire size/gear
ratio calculator.

hope this helps.


Jorge E. Ramirez
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:12:23 PDT
From: "Jorge Ramirez"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AOD trans

Hello list.....

how many of you have AOD trans...rebuilt AODs and about how long will a
typical rebuild last. I don't tow or abuse it (MUCH). 5.0L/AOD/3.55 NON
LIM SLIP.

thanks......

Jorge E. Ramirez
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:21:00 -0400
From: "Bruce A. Ramirez"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD

Take your tire diameter, multiply it by 4.10. Take the sum and divide it
by 3.55. The end total will be the new tire diameter. For a tire size,
235/75R15 to calculate the diameter use this formula: 235x75x2=35250
divide by 2540=13.878+15=28.878" diameter.

Jorge Ramirez wrote:
>
>
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD
> What size tires are needed to give an effective ratio of 3.55? When you
> have 4.10 gears.- -----Original Message-----
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> David, try going to www.tirerack.com they have a tire size/gear
> ratio calculator.
>
> hope this helps.
>
> Jorge E. Ramirez
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:49:39 -0400
From: Danny Metz
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD trans

Jorge,

I have an AOD in my 90 F-150, 2x4, with 114k on the odometer. Like your
truck, mine is also a 5.0, 3.55 geared with an open rear. The trans has
never been out of the truck, but that is going to have to happen shortly
due to very erratic shifting.

Danny

At 01:12 PM 7/23/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Hello list.....
>
>how many of you have AOD trans...rebuilt AODs and about how long will a
>typical rebuild last. I don't tow or abuse it (MUCH). 5.0L/AOD/3.55 NON
>LIM SLIP.
>
>thanks......
>
>Jorge E. Ramirez
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:05:55 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Knock Sensor

John,
Can't help you w/this problem, but just wanted to take this
opportunity to remind all the Ford Friends that no matter how well you
know the engine compartment you should ALWAYS take still photographs
when doing an engine swap or rebuild. Don't be afraid to use an
entire roll. Take photos of the engine in and out of the truck (car)
so you can see the accessory mounting brackets and other stuff. This
has been a lifesaving tool for me more times than I care to count.
There's always that one vacuum line or one wire that you ran the wrong
way thru the maze and it's no where near where it should be.
Check for any out of place wires even if they seem too far away maybe
it could be rerouted thru the component to reach. I know this doesn't
help you too much now but maybe it will help someone else on the list.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Marcia Merrifield wrote:
>
> I've been reading this list for awhile and I have seen some good
> answers to problems.Maybe somebody can help me with mine.I have an 87
> f-150 4X4,I've worked on this truck for years and I recently had the
> engine totally rebuilt.When I put the engine back in all my tags on the
> wires had washed off and I can't find the plug for the knock sensor.I
> have terrible spark knock most of the time now(drives me crazy).I was
> wondering if anybody had a picture or could take one for me of the plug
> in question and E-mail me at wyman midcoast.com.Many thanks for any
> help.
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:17:38 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: manual stick/rear main

Another product that I love for freeing frozen bolts is PB-1 (one). I
can't remember it that's the manufacturer of their product name but
it's a (basically) white can w/lots of red/yellow graphics and text on
it.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Rick Wojciechowski wrote:
>
> Dave Resch wrote:
>
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> One tip, although it does work in some cases Wd-40 is not
> meant to free siezed bolts. Its purpose is to displace water.
> I have used Wd-40 for a long time until I was informed of
> this. As a test I used liquid wrench this last weekend when I
> replaced my ball joints. Liquid wrench is what I will stay with
> from now on for seized and hard to get out nuts/bolts.

- ----------------------SNIP-------------------------
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:38:53 -0400
From: Barry
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1980 Ford Ranger

I am currently preparing a 1980 for Ranger Extended Cab for painting.
The cab top and hood have a lot of surface rust. Does anyone know how to
remove the trim from around the windshield. I would like to save the
trim if possible. Is the trim held on with clips or what? Any and all
help and suggestions would be appreciated.
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:04:45 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD

Four Wheeler Dec 96 had an article with the following info;

At 55 MPH 31" tires w/4.10 gearing runs 2,444 rpm
31" tires w/3.54 gearing runs 2,110 rpm
35" tires w/4.10 gearing runs 2,165 rpm
36" tires w/4.10 gearing runs 2,105 rpm

The article actually lists tire diameters from 24 to 44 in
and gear ratios from 2.56 to 7.17

Hope this helps...
Bob


At 01:06 PM 7/23/98 PDT, you wrote:
>
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Poor gas mileage on PSD
>What size tires are needed to give an effective ratio of 3.55? When you
>have 4.10 gears.- -----Original Message-----
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>David, try going to www.tirerack.com they have a tire size/gear
>ratio calculator.
>
>hope this helps.
>
>
>Jorge E. Ramirez
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:06:32 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD trans

I've got the same in my 86 XLT. I actually replaced the tranny 120K.
(with a used one and I'm doing great 165K.

Bob


At 01:12 PM 7/23/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Hello list.....
>
>how many of you have AOD trans...rebuilt AODs and about how long will a
>typical rebuild last. I don't tow or abuse it (MUCH). 5.0L/AOD/3.55 NON
>LIM SLIP.
>
>thanks......
>
>Jorge E. Ramirez
>______________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:24:37 -0800
From: Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD trans

Some how I thought that only cars/mini-vans/etc got the AOD and
trucks/etc get the E4OD, is this not true then?

Ralph Lindberg N7BSN ICQ 5988954
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:57:32 -0500
From: bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD trans

On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:12:23 PDT "Jorge Ramirez"
writes:
>Hello list.....
>
>how many of you have AOD trans...rebuilt AODs and about how long will
>a typical rebuild last. I don't tow or abuse it (MUCH). 5.0L/AOD/3.55
>NON LIM SLIP.
>
>thanks......
>
>Jorge E. Ramirez
>______________________________________________________

My 81 is the same setup as yours (except for the transplanted 351) and
the orgional tranny has 175k miles and counting. The one two shift is a....

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