80-96-list-digest Tuesday, July 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 252



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - TEMPERATURE GAGE 94 F150 4X4 5.0L
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Manual stick removal/rear main
FTE 80-96 - Towing Question -- Thanks!
Re: FTE 80-96 - NEED HELP! TRUCK IS DOWN!
Re: FTE 80-96 - aftermarket fuel injection
RE: FTE 80-96 - Rough -- "Rolling Idle" Problem 1985 F150
Re: FTE 80-96 - TEMPERATURE GAGE 94 F150 4X4 5.0L
FTE 80-96 - RE: 4 speed
FTE 80-96 - Paint Job
FTE 80-96 - Fw: Re. Explorer 4x4 lock problem

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:16:13 -0400
From: "Norman Maranda"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - TEMPERATURE GAGE 94 F150 4X4 5.0L

Hi All!! My Temperature Gage on my truck is reading "N"(on NORMAL) when it is
totaly warmed up; it used to read "R". I think my sensor is on it's way out.
Where is it located on the engine and what does it involve to change it? also
What else might be causing this??? Thanks in advance !!!!!!!!!

NOM

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NAME: Norman J. Maranda Jr.
TITLE: STRESS ANALYST
DEPT: D464
E-MAIL ADDRESS: nmaranda gdeb.com
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:27:34 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Manual stick removal/rear main

Casey Vandor wrote:

> I have never changed a rear main, but mine leaks, I will read up on it,
> and then probably have to ask a few bonehead questions,

Casey,
You must be having the same luck I am. I have to replace my rear
main seal also, I just wish it would have gone out while I had the
transmission out two weeks ago replacing my clutch. Now one
thing I found out about the rear main seal this week was that if
you have the two-piece seal then you replace that through the
oil pan. If you have the one-piece(which is what I have) then you
replace that through the transmission behind the flywheel.



> THAT much :( Is there anything in the slip joint setups on the axles
> that can go bad? I am replacing the U-joints, but not sure what else to
> check.

Casey, this weekend I replaced my u-joints on the front axles too,
while I was replacing all the balljoints. Now one thing that gets over
looked is the spindle needle bearing. It sits in the spindle and rides
on the outer axle shaft. Make sure you check/grease/replace that
bearing.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:20:53 -0400
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Towing Question -- Thanks!

Thanks for all the info! I picked the '95 up back in
November without even looking into whether it had a towing
package or not (the price was too good to pass up regardless
of what it had), and I was pleased to find the radiator cooler
when I went looking for it yesterday.
Between already having the towing package (*whew!*) and
all the information you guys have offered up, I think I'll be
in some good shape for the trip. I've got a whole year to
prepare, so I'll be able to work in all the necessary mods.

Thanks again!

- -Mike Pasznik

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:42:42 -0600
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - NEED HELP! TRUCK IS DOWN!

Mike,
I think you said you had used STP oil treatment in your truck. The
sludged up intake screen you describe can be a result of putting STP, or
any other similar oil additive, into a an engine that is not running,
especially a cold engine. The thick goo will settle to the lowest point
in the pan, i.e. where the pick up is, and plug the intake screen. If
you put it into a running hot engine the goo blends with the oil before
it can settle out. Once mixed it stays blended. Don't get me wrong, I
use STP in old oil burner engines and recommended STP in all the air
cooled VW engines I built back in my wrenching days. Just don't put it
in an engine that isn't running. If your engine won't run with the oil
filler cap removed start the engine immediately after pouring the stuff
in and before it can run down into the pan.

Your symptoms fit well with a bearing being starved of oil but I'm
surprised it hung together as long as it did after showing the signs.

I think the original poster had vapor lock. The newer Fords with intank
pumps seem to have a lot of vapor lock problems. A thread on this
subject is going on in a RV newsgroup right now and yesterday, a record
hot day, there were two Ford's broken down on the highway in front of my
house. I know one, a Bronco, had the same symptoms because the owner
came to me for help.

Larry

>Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:42:18 -0400
>From: Mike McWhirter
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - NEED HELP! TRUCK IS DOWN!

>That is right, but not just level or color, get a shop to hook up a
guage
>to the oil pump and test it. I still have not gotten a secondary pump,
>although I think it may well be worth it to have adequate oil feed over

>the entire motor.

>I had about 130,000 on the motor and I faithfully changed my oil and
>filter every 3-4000 miles. I had a breakdown shortly after experiencing

>what you described. I felt shuddering, the truck would stall at idle
and
>the oil was smelly. I took it in for a checkup and all was well but
they
>reported the oil pump pressure was low.

>About a week later the motor seized the last cylinder (near the
firewall)
>and the connecting rod snapped and sliced the cam in half.

>When we took the motor apart, we found the sump screen, a filter for
the
>oil pump, was totally clogged with sludge. All were surprised to see
the
>amount of crap in there considering the condition of my truck.

>>Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:34:04 -0400
>>From: Mike McWhirter
>>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - NEED HELP! TRUCK IS DOWN!
>>
>>Get your Oil Pump pressure checked asap. I had the same or similar
symptoms
>>and I ended up seizing the last cylinder and slicing my cam in half.
>>
>>Found out when we broke the motor down the sump screen was totally
clogged
>>with sludge. I even used STP and other treatments from time to time
and it
>>still sludged up.
>>
>>I also recommend a secondary pump for the oil.
>>
>>Mikey
>
>I've checked my oil and it's fine. Is that what you mean by checking
my
>Oil Pump pressure? Could you tell what a sump screen is? Did you get
a
>secondary oil pump? You said you seized the last cylinder and sliced
your
>cam in half. Could you explain that to me? Sorry for all the
questions
>but I don't understand the lingo.
>
>Scot
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:17:57 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - aftermarket fuel injection

Edelbrock makes a great system for a small chevy. It works very good, =
includes everything, injectors, manifold, sensors and computer. See if =
they have one for your Ford.

The chevy unit cost me about $1800, but sure saved a ton of headaches!

>>> Paul M Radecki 07/17 11:39 PM >>>
>
>> Has anyone ever converted a Carbureted 300cid (4.9L) I-6 engine to=20
>>fuel =20
>>injection? Is there an aftermarket product that work well or do I=20
>>need =20
>>to find a system from a junkyard?
>>
>>Gary Callahan
>>'81 F-150 Custom 4x4 =20
>>
Clifford (www.cliffordperformance.com) offers an aftermarket setup
complete with intake manifold, fuel pump, computer and sensors, but they
want $2500 for the kit. Here's the punchline, verbatim from their
catalog (I am NOT making this up): "This system uses all GM components
for reliability..."
lordjanusz juno.com=20

'94 F150 (300ci) '73 F100 (360ci) '97 Saturn (SWMBO's)


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:15:04 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Rough -- "Rolling Idle" Problem 1985 F150

Jere wrote:

> While waiting at a stop light, it idles so roughly that there is a
> moderate shaking sensation in the cab.
>
> If you watch the engine at idle, it will decrease its RPM until just
> about the point of stalling and then it will rev up a little and then
> after about 10seconds repeat the near stall.
>
Someone else on the list can probably tell us if this engine have a Throttle
Position Sensor (TPS) on it. If it does, that is the first thing I would
suspect and change.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:55:24 -0500
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - TEMPERATURE GAGE 94 F150 4X4 5.0L

...or perhaps your thermostat has failed in the "open" position. In my lifetime
I have had four fail open and none fail closed (which is the way to have it, if
it has to fail). Check to see if you have any heat (which you should have in
spades this time of year). Obviously, you will have some heat just because of
the time of year. You can take it out and see if it is stuck open.

Norman Maranda wrote:

> Hi All!! My Temperature Gage on my truck is reading "N"(on NORMAL) when it is
> totaly warmed up; it used to read "R". I think my sensor is on it's way out.
> Where is it located on the engine and what does it involve to change it? also
> What else might be causing this??? Thanks in advance !!!!!!!!!



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Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:53:09 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: 4 speed

Jon,
I've got almost the same rig ('85 F-150 4x4, 351W) except my manual 4
speed has no granny gear but an overdrive.
With 31x10.5's at 65mph I'm turning about 1800 rpm in O.D., I would
think that my 4 speed O.D. would be an easy bolt in to your truck
without the mods needed to fit the 5 speed. (as long as you don't need
the granny gear). I would also imagine my 4 spd is pretty cheap by now.
Walt

P.S.

Would you recommend the Projection Kit? How did it connect to your EEC-4
computer? any glitches? Thanks


Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:36:20 -0500
From: Jonathan M Dea

Anyway, I'd like to get some input on a few questions of
mine. I have an
'84 F-150 4x4 with the 351W & 4 speed manual transmission. I
have an early
analog 670CFM 2bbl Holley Pro-Jection with a 4 to 2 barrel
manifold adaptor
mounted onto a stock manifold. [snip]
Secondly, I have the above-mentioned 4-speed. Is there a
way to get a
5-speed manual into the picture without too much complication? I
drive a
bunch of Interstate to get to college, and it gets 10-12 mpg
about 70mph
and I would like to get some overdrive into the picture, if
possible.
---------------
Jonathan Dea

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:00:08 EDT
From: Ardy2 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Paint Job

I have a 1989 tan Ranger (80,000 miles) that is in need of a new paint job.
The paint on the cab and the hood are really beginning to deteriorate and look
bad. Otherwise the truck is in very good condition.

Has anyone ever used any of the National Chains like MAACO for a paint job?
How much can I expect to have to pay for a good paint job?
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:33:46 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar_Huse?="
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Re. Explorer 4x4 lock problem

>my 91 explorer is having trouble getting into 4X4, when I hit the
>dash button you can hear the electronic box in the back clicking away =
for about
>30/45 seconds, sometimes I get 4X4 and sometimes not.
>The manual says a flashing ABS light means a bad ground

A friend had the same problem with the ABS brake light and 4x4 not =
engaging or disengaging on a Sub. After 2 dealer rebuilds of the trans =
case the owner saw a braided heavy-gauge ground wire which was not =
attached right to the front axle. Fixed it, and no problem since.

Worked for him...

Bj=F8rnar Huse....


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