80-96-list-digest Tuesday, July 14 1998 Volume 02 : Number 243



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Big truck creaking...
Re: FTE 80-96 - catalytic converter
[none]
FTE 80-96 - Re:
FTE 80-96 - Pep Boys Tires
Re: FTE 80-96 - speedometer cable
FTE 80-96 - Overload springs
RE: FTE 80-96 - Overload springs
Re: FTE 80-96 - Overload springs
Re: FTE 80-96 - Car & Driver this month
FTE 80-96 - 302 timing--FOLLOW UP
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: FTE Incorporation
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Catalytic converter
Re: FTE 80-96 - Vapor Lock - Thanks for all the help!
FTE 80-96 - '99 SuperDuty was: Re: Suzuki4x4: Survey
RE: FTE 80-96 - 302 timing--FOLLOW UP
FTE 80-96 - Re:weather stripping
RE: FTE 80-96 - 302 timing--FOLLOW UP

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:37:25 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Big truck creaking...

Anthony Rio wrote:

> I have noticed as of late that the front end of my '94 4x2 F150 (90k miles)
> has been creaking and popping quite a bit. Usually when I turn corners,
> hit a small bump in the road, et... I am assuming that it is suspensition
> related, but wondering if anyone else has had this experience.


Anthony,
A couple of things come to mind. Make sure your front springs
are in good health(not cracked). Also check the front u-joints
should be three) on the front axle. Make sure they are greased and
are tight, that is if you do not know when they were last checked. Oh,
while your at it, grease the slipjoint on the passenger side axle, as well,
if you do not know when it was last done. A final check I can think of is
the upper and lower balljoints on both sides.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:52:31 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - catalytic converter

On 11 Jul 98, at 23:28, Randy wrote:

>Actually tampering with ANY pollution controlling device on a car
>('cept farm vehicle, etc.) is a no-no. This technically means that
>swapping your airbox for an aftermarket unit (K&N for example) is
>unacceptable, but I don't see anyone enforcing it to this level.
>Let's hope it stays that way!!

If you are in an area that inspects the cars, then you might run into
problems, but then I don't think there is any other way to check. I
still wouldn't recommend it.

You might be a redneck if... You cried the day your son tapped his
first keg. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:33:00 PDT
From: "Jorge Ramirez"
Subject: [none]

I'm new to the list, so HELLO everybody.

I have a 1993 F150 XLT/5.0L/AOD/3.55 Non-Limited Slip/Trailer Tow
package. I bought it used, so I don't have much history on it.
I am a long time 1976 F250 user, and I just got this F150.

Just wondering, after reading the list for a couple of days, if anyone
has come across this.

My trans shifts from 1 to 2 and drops only 200 RPM, then from 2 to 3 it
drops about 700 RPM, from 3 to 4 it drops about 500 RPM.

The shift from 2 to 3 really bogs down the engine (DUH).

Is this normal, is it an effort at improved gas mileage, or is this a
problem?

The trans was either rebuilt or replaced before I got the truck,it has
on XYZ trans sticker on the inside driver door frame. The oil pan gasket
is clean (new) and the fluid is clean and clear.

Any insight would be great.

Thanks,


Jorge E. Ramirez
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:52:29 -0400
From: "Bruce A. Ramirez"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:

Try driving in Drive only, not in Overdrive and see if you still have a
problem. If the problem goes away, then when in overdrive, the converter
is locking-up at too low a speed or is dragging. The possible cause
could be, sticking governor valve, valve body malfunction, or a faulty
oil pump in the transmission.

Good luck,

Bruce A. Ramirez
1991 F-150 4x4 4.9L



Jorge Ramirez wrote:
>
> I'm new to the list, so HELLO everybody.
>
> I have a 1993 F150 XLT/5.0L/AOD/3.55 Non-Limited Slip/Trailer Tow
> package. I bought it used, so I don't have much history on it.
> I am a long time 1976 F250 user, and I just got this F150.
>
> Just wondering, after reading the list for a couple of days, if anyone
> has come across this.
>
> My trans shifts from 1 to 2 and drops only 200 RPM, then from 2 to 3 it
> drops about 700 RPM, from 3 to 4 it drops about 500 RPM.
>
> The shift from 2 to 3 really bogs down the engine (DUH).
>
> Is this normal, is it an effort at improved gas mileage, or is this a
> problem?
>
> The trans was either rebuilt or replaced before I got the truck,it has
> on XYZ trans sticker on the inside driver door frame. The oil pan gasket
> is clean (new) and the fluid is clean and clear.
>
> Any insight would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Jorge E. Ramirez
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:48:04 -0400
From: "Doug Berry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Pep Boys Tires

I just bought a set of Futura Tires from Pep Boys for my wife's Bronco. I'm
considering a set for my F-150 but have no idea how good of a tire that they
are. I've always used the BFGoodrich All Terrain T/A's with great success.
Has anybody here use these tires before, and if so how did you like them. I
know that I like the Price:-) Thanks. Doug

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:20:37 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - speedometer cable

Bruce S Casey wrote:

> Just a quick question on a 85 F150 the speedometer cable is it replaced as
> a complete assembly or just the cable. If replacing cable only how is the
> speedometer gear assembly removed. Just trying to get this F150 up and
> running just alot of small problems still not bad for a 600 truck it gets
> its flat bed next week thanks ahead of time this internet stuff is actually
> fun and a big help

Bruce,
Is yours a 4wd. On my '83 Bronco, the speedo cable is on the
rear of the transfer case on top. The gears slide into the existing
gears inside the transfercase, and then there is a little bracket off
of the speedo cable that has a screw to hold it in place.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:16:37 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Overload springs

Does anyone have any experience with overload springs? My '94 F150
has the factory overload package (5-leaf packs, rather than 4) but it
still sags and wallows when I haul/tow heavy stuff. (No, not THAT heavy.
Still within GVWR.)
I'm considering hvy duty shocks in front and hvy duty shocks with
concentric coil springs in the rear. I thought about air bags, but I
have durability concerns. Has anyone tried the coil-over shocks?
I know I ought to upgrade to an F250HD axle, but I only haul heavy
about twice a month and I want to keep my 5-lug wheels and I don't have
the cash anyway. :-( I'll get the full floater after the original
breaks. BTW, what's the best way to tell a 9" axle from an 8.8"?
There's no way this truck should have a 9" (I bought it new in '94) but
the bolt pattern sure looks like a 9" to my (untrained) eye.
Thanx! lordjanusz juno.com

'94 F150 (300ci) '73 F100(360ci) '97 Saturn (SWMBO'S car)

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:47:56 -0500
From: Sean Winters
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Overload springs

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snipage
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breaks. BTW, what's the best way to tell a 9" axle from an 8.8"?
There's no way this truck should have a 9" (I bought it new in '94) but
the bolt pattern sure looks like a 9" to my (untrained) eye.
____

If you can see *any* bolts on the pumpkin from the back of the truck
(laying on your belly with your chin on the pavement)
it is *not* a 9 inch. I think they stopped putting them on trucks in
either 83 or 84. My 82 has one; a 84 that I bought as a donor truck did
not.

Thanx! lordjanusz juno.com

'94 F150 (300ci) '73 F100(360ci) '97 Saturn (SWMBO'S car)

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:04:40 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Overload springs

In a message dated 7/13/98 2:46:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
lordjanusz juno.com writes:



Looking from the rear, The 9" wont have any bolts showing. In effect the
case is welded. the entire centersection drops out from the front of the
axle, where the u-joint is. As far as I know, all F-150's from 88-96 came
with 8.8's, including Lightnings, which had a special Finned housing.

Joe Downey
acmercg aol.com
92 F-150 NITE

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:01:34 -0500
From: Anthony Rio
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Car & Driver this month

Personally, I think the splash styling is slick... as for the V8.. you
could be right but they comparison tested all of them with 6's, and never
mentioned V* available as part of the decision making process (although you
are probably right, whether they mentioned it or not).

Tony

>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Garr&Pam [SMTP:garrpam netgsi.com]
>Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 11:12 AM
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Car & Driver this month
>
>There is a great comparison test on small trucks (Dakota, S-10, Ranger,
>Tacoma, and the Frontier). They rate the Dakota as best, and the Nissan
>dead-last (duh! on the Nissan). The Ranger ranks second, they say due
>to the "nerdy" Splash styling. Otherwise they say the Ford is a
>tremendous truck (which all of us already knew!). (Why didn't they get
>one without the Splash options? Seeing as how they never rank the Fords
>first in any competition, could it be that was the only thing they could
>find to complain about? Hmmm...)
>
>
>
>Not starting a flame but the splash is an awesome truck, it adds
>character to a plain looking ranger. Granted if you bought one to work
>in then the splash is useless. The reason why the ranger only got
>second...say this with me...NO V-8.
>
>30,000 grand the new lightnings(99) will go for that and I would own
>one....and there is no 4 wheel available!
>
>Just my .02
>Chris

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:09:32 -0500
From: Ezekial
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 302 timing--FOLLOW UP

Thanks for the input I got.

Anyways my results were....
I went to my cousins (awesom mechanic) and we checked the timing. It
happened to be sitting at 8. So we knew that stock was 10 and figured
we should try bumping it up to 12. We went to 12 and stayed, didn't go
any more and the truck improved considerably throughout the power band,
ran smoother, and sounded a little cooler. I am only running 87 octane
in NE Oklahoma, in case you wondered what area I was in. He also told
me that by upping the octane you can usually go up 8 degrees over stock
with out hurting anything.

I also asked him about one persons reply on here about the exhaust not
having enough back pressure and he said that removing that stuff would
only help and would not affect the bogging down from the not enough
backpresure (pretty wordy there). So results are pretty positive.
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:34:36 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: FTE Incorporation

Ford Truck Enthusiasts, Inc. received its paperwork from the
State of Georgia on Saturday. It held its organizational
meeting yesterday evening and is now operating as a corporation.

Don't expect to see many changes in the day to day operations
of the site other than improvements I've discussed in the
past. The formation of a corporation was a natural result
of our growth and exposure. The possibility of a club still
exists and is being discussed off the list with some list
members.

Thanks,
Ken Payne
President (and still list admin), Ford Truck Enthusiasts, Inc.

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:31:31 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Catalytic converter

Casey,
Check the emissions tag under your hood. It will give the engine
size, plug gap, timing and hose routing and all, BUT it also will say
one of two things: CATALYST or NOT-CATALYST. My 87 F-250HD says
NON-CATALYST, but a regular duty F-250 will say CATALYST. This should
tell you all you'd need to know.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Casey Vandor wrote:
>
> I am pretty sure it is illegal, but then how do I find what was it was
> originally equipped with? The build sheet said high-altitude exhaust,
> but that doesn't tell me much. Anybody that has a stock 83 351W, could
> you let me know what you have? (only a muffler or muffler and cat.....)
>
> Thanks
> Casey Vandor
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:35:00 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Vapor Lock - Thanks for all the help!

I wouldn't assume it's just the engine's heat, it could just take that
long for the exhaust and/or manifold to heat the line as well.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Linda Lawrence wrote:
>
[snip]

> Since the problem doesn't happen until the engine heats up (it happened
> again yesterday), I'm assuming that the main area to fix is in the engine
> compartment?
>
> Roger
> Laguna, NM
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:12:00 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '99 SuperDuty was: Re: Suzuki4x4: Survey

Troy, here's one to make your mouth water:
Stopped at one of the local Ford Dealers last week to check out the
'99 Super Dutys. WOW! hold on a minute while I dream a little
longer.........ok done. They had a black and silver '99 F-350 Super
Duty, Crew Cab Dually w/8' bed (of course) and the 7.3L Turbo
Diesel....drool....I think I remember that putting out 500 lbs/ft of
torque at 1700 rpm, wanna drag a mountain home next time you return
from vacation? Anyway you can take one home for a mere 38,000 and
change!!! Even the mirrors on these things look cool.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Troy Williams wrote:
[snip]

> You've got that right. It seems that people just can't live and let
> live. I'm personally glad that I've got a huge, gaz guzzlin', road
> hoggin' truck. :) Hell, if it were up to me, I'da had an F-350 Dually.
> :) Just ain't got the money for one right now. :)
>
> You might be a redneck if... A full moon reminds you of your
> mother-in-law pullin' weeds. - Jeff Foxworthy
>
> Troy Williams
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:06:07 -0500
From: Ron Madurski
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 302 timing--FOLLOW UP

Where in OK? I live in Jenks.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ezekial [mailto:derrick galstar.com]
Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 8:10 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 302 timing--FOLLOW UP


Thanks for the input I got.

Anyways my results were....
I went to my cousins (awesom mechanic) and we checked the timing. It
happened to be sitting at 8. So we knew that stock was 10 and figured
we should try bumping it up to 12. We went to 12 and stayed, didn't go
any more and the truck improved considerably throughout the power band,
ran smoother, and sounded a little cooler. I am only running 87 octane
in NE Oklahoma, in case you wondered what area I was in. He also told
me that by upping the octane you can usually go up 8 degrees over stock
with out hurting anything.

I also asked him about one persons reply on here about the exhaust not
having enough back pressure and he said that removing that stuff would
only help and would not affect the bogging down from the not enough
backpresure (pretty wordy there). So results are pretty positive.
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:15:28 -0800
From: Casey Vandor
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:weather stripping

I was talking about the weather stripping around the window in the front
doors of the pickup. It's taken care of though, a nother list member
told me a quick trick to get them in, now I just have to wait for JC
whitney to get them here, as NAPA no longer carries it.

Thanks
Casey Vandor
___________________
Casey,
I apologize for not following the posts, which window are you talking
about?

Bob

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:16:26 -0500
From: Ron Madurski
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 302 timing--FOLLOW UP

oops, forgot to check the headers on the way out... Sorry....


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