80-96-list-digest Friday, July 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 239



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In this issue:

[none]
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Anti-SUV survey
Re: FTE 80-96 - roadhog's...and trail destruction
FTE 80-96 - RE:
FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers
FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Feedback Solenoid
re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Car & Driver this month
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 302 timing advance
RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:36:25 PDT
From: "Jorge Ramirez"
Subject: [none]

I'm new to the list, so HELLO everybody.

I have a 1993 F150 XLT/5.0L/AOD/3.55 Non-Limited Slip/Trailer Tow
package. I bought it used, so I don't have much history on it.
I am a long time 1976 F250 user, and I just got this F150.

Just wondering, after reading the list for a couple of days, if anyone
has come across this.

My trans shifts from 1 to 2 and drops only 200 RPM, then from 2 to 3 it
drops about 700 RPM, from 3 to 4 it drops about 500 RPM.

The shift from 2 to 3 really bogs down the engine (DUH).

Is this normal, is it an effort at improved gas mileage, or is this a
problem?

The trans was either rebuilt or replaced before I got the truck,it has
on XYZ trans sticker on the inside driver door frame. The oil pan gasket
is clean (new) and the fluid is clean and clear.

Any insight would be great.

Thanks,


Jorge E. Ramirez
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:52:32 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Anti-SUV survey

On 9 Jul 98, at 22:09, BFunk33 aol.com wrote:

>SUV's do get lower MPG than a straight passenger vehicle, and that means
>higher emissions; sorry, that's reality. Also, SUV's, when compared to
>passenger vehicles with same-size engines, are heavier, not lighter, as a
>rule. Pickups (and larger SUVs) are allowed higher emission levels because
>they often are working vehicles. if they had to follow the same emission
>rules (quotas) as passenger cars, they wouldn't be able to do the work
>they do, and more people would be forced into even larger vehicles, which
>pollute even more. This is something they obviously never considered.
>(Maybe, actually working for a living is something they never actually
>considered.)

I agree whole heartedly. My truck has been used a few times for
hauling things. I was working for a security system company, I
had to to take ladders and everything else out to different jobsites
and that kind of thing. There is no way in hell you could fit all of
the materials, tools, wire spools and other things into a passenger
car. That's something that some people just dont' consider. Sure,
my truck is my primary vehicle, who cares. It's got the catalatic
(SP?) converters underneath which are supposed to be reducing
the pollution. I have seen other cars that pollute a heck of a lot
more than my truck does!

You might be a redneck if... Stealing road signs is a family
outing. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:52:32 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - roadhog's...and trail destruction

On 9 Jul 98, at 13:53, FSTFORDS aol.com wrote:

>AND, this roadhog thing your on...get a clue...pick on the truckers...and
>the old cars......my vehicle runs less than 100ppm and my CO's are well
>within tolerance!

How are the people with old cars and the truckers road hogs? I
see more people in the compact cars that think they own the roads
more than the truckers and other drivers. I have been cut off more
times by people in passenger cars. I haven't had it happen to me
from a truck driver.

You might be a redneck if... Your handkerchief doubles as your
shirt sleeve. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:32:24 -0400
From: "John Meade"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:

- -----Original Message-----
From: John Meade [mailto:wmeade nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu]
Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 9:12 AM
To: 80-96list ford-trucks.com
Subject:

I'm looking for advice for fixing a few problems with my very plain 86 f150
302 . How can I determine if the radiator fan clutch is bad? On the
highway the front end drifts to the point that it becomes annoying to
constantly correct the truck direction. I would like thoughts on what I can
do, add, or replace. I'm riding on Michelin truck radials. This truck
also has the easiest PS of any vehicle I've owned. Can I tighten the PS or
stiffen the steering? How?

John

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:11:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Preston
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers

>Don't sit there and tell me that we re making a bad >choice when it
>comes to the safety of the highways. There are tons >of 18
>wheelers out there, they are not hazards. Heck, the >drivers of
>those trucks are probably the safest that I have seen >yet. It's the
>ones in the small cars that think they can whip around >other people
>like a bumble bee that cause the wrecks.

I have not taken the survey yet, but this comment above is grossly
inacurate. Those 18 wheelers are involved with 75% of the accidents in
our state. Is that because of the smaller cars? I think not. They have
no regard for other drivers on the road whatsoever. In many cases they
have come flying up behind people in the middle lane going the speed
limit and start flashing their lights and riding their tail
dangerously. In addition, they have destroyed our highways here to the
point that they are under constant repair. I happen to live in an area
where there is a truck stop at the entrance to the highway. They park
wherever they feel the need, regardless of anyone else. They don't
care who they block. I do agree that in many cases there are idiots in
smaller cars that cause some of the accidents, but in the majority of
the accidents on our highways, 18 wheelers were the cause.
Obviously you struck on one of my pet peeves. This is by no means
meant for every 18 wheeler. I am sure that there are some out there
that do care. I hope you are one of them.
Joe Preston





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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:50:44 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers

OK, Joe

You wrote

>I have not taken the survey yet, but this comment above is grossly
inacurate. Those 18 wheelers are involved with 75% of the accidents in our =
state.

Do you have something to back up the 75%, or was this a number you =
guesstimate?

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:55:17 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers

At 07:11 AM 7/10/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>Don't sit there and tell me that we re making a bad >choice when it
>>comes to the safety of the highways. There are tons >of 18
>>wheelers out there, they are not hazards. Heck, the >drivers of
>>those trucks are probably the safest that I have seen >yet. It's the
>>ones in the small cars that think they can whip around >other people
>>like a bumble bee that cause the wrecks.
>
>I have not taken the survey yet, but this comment above is grossly
>inacurate. Those 18 wheelers are involved with 75% of the accidents in
>our state.

75%??!!!!!! Where do you get your statistics? Federal crash data
shows the majority of accidents happen within a few miles of home,
not on the interstate. Also, most accidents are left turn accidents
(someone turns left in front of you) involving autos.

>Is that because of the smaller cars? I think not. They have
>no regard for other drivers on the road whatsoever. In many cases they
>have come flying up behind people in the middle lane going the speed
>limit and start flashing their lights and riding their tail
>dangerously.

This is small minority. What about the auto tail-gators?

>In addition, they have destroyed our highways here to the
>point that they are under constant repair.

Really? Or is it that your state doesn't take care of the roads?
Come to Georgia! We have the some of the finest roads in the nation.
Can't blame it on the South, because Florida's road suck.


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:05:38 -0400
From: D Robertson
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Feedback Solenoid

Walt :

I was having the pining problem , then (many months later) the carb started
to run real rich at idle. The two problems were separate but having the
carb rebuilt which included a new solenoid cured the problem. I just read
somewhere in the manual that the earlier trucks solenoid has a different
resistance and warns about using the wrong part. One person told me the
spring in the solenoid wears out. On a slightly different note I had the
carb first rebuilt by a local guy and it lasted 6 months , then it dumped
gas out of everywhere. I then redid it myself with a real Motorcraft kit
and it lasted 18 months , last year I had it done again by another local
and it lasted a year. Finally last month ,I purchased a brand new carb from
Motorcraft , It cost me $320 (through a friend with a repair shop) The
truck runs like brand new. I should have done it years ago. When I add up
the costs of the rebuilds it was half the cost of a new carb. I hope I did
not ramble on too long.

Dave
86 F-150 w/140 K miles


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:30:34, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers

Mr. Preston,

If you think that 75% of accidents are caused by 18 wheelers in your
state, you better move or find me some evidence. You just happened to
strike "one of my pet peeves" too. Your 75% is "grossly inacurate!"
There is no way that can happen. If 18 wheelers are involved in 75%
of the crashes (I doubt it anyway) how do you know they caused every
accident? Have you ever driven one of these things? There are strict
laws to keep these rigs safe and the drivers alert. You must have had
a bad experience as a child (just a guess) to hold that bad of a
grudge against them. Sure there are some guys that think they own
the road and everyone should move, but there are Harley riders with
bad attitudes, sports car owners that drive "too fast," old people
who can't drive ot drive too slow. So before you make general
statement on the list, you should think about the number of "good and
safe operators" of these rigs in comparison to the one or two
d*ckheads. Most of these truck drivers car about other cars because
they can easily kill anyone with a little mistake. No doubt they are
larger and heavier than anything, but it is much more efficient to
carry say 30,000 lbs in a dump truck once instead of 2,000 lbs 15
times in one ton trucks.
Josh
ps. By the way, where do you live? You make it sound like hell.
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:00:42 PDT
From: "Arnold G."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers

I don't know where you are, but from my sixteen years of driving
experiences and having an uncle that is 18-wheel owner and driver. What
you have experienced is extremely rare. From Nevada to Missouri, from
Texas to Wyoming I have only seen the bad driven twice. Remember that is
in sixteen years of driving. I am on the road quite a bit and have
observed a lot of different drivers. And it is my observation that
drivers (of all vehicles) from the far east and from California are the
WORST. They have no manners, patients, or road savvy. They usually
speed excessively and lane change dangerously (with using a turn
indicators), tailgate, and exit the highway (or any road for that
matter) after the road markings prevent it (ya-know those double solid
white or yellow lines).
I agree with some of the past posts, 18-wheeler drivers are some the
BEST drivers on the road (PERIOD). It usually the “small” car that
causes the jack-knifing of the semi’s. Making those “oops I missed my
exit” turns. Yes there are bad drivers in all vehicles (including the
18-wheelers) so don’t condemn the 18-wheelers for a few bad ones. My
uncle tells me stories of people cutting my off so he will wreck into
them so they can sue the pants off him and his company. They use the
“big bad truck” theory in court.


>Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:11:33 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Joe Preston
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>
>>Don't sit there and tell me that we re making a bad >choice when it
>>comes to the safety of the highways. There are tons >of 18
>>wheelers out there, they are not hazards. Heck, the >drivers of
>>those trucks are probably the safest that I have seen >yet. It's the
>>ones in the small cars that think they can whip around >other people
>>like a bumble bee that cause the wrecks.
>
>I have not taken the survey yet, but this comment above is grossly
>inacurate. Those 18 wheelers are involved with 75% of the accidents in
>our state. Is that because of the smaller cars? I think not. They have
>no regard for other drivers on the road whatsoever. In many cases they
>have come flying up behind people in the middle lane going the speed
>limit and start flashing their lights and riding their tail
>dangerously. In addition, they have destroyed our highways here to the
>point that they are under constant repair. I happen to live in an area
>where there is a truck stop at the entrance to the highway. They park
>wherever they feel the need, regardless of anyone else. They don't
>care who they block. I do agree that in many cases there are idiots in
>smaller cars that cause some of the accidents, but in the majority of
>the accidents on our highways, 18 wheelers were the cause.
>Obviously you struck on one of my pet peeves. This is by no means
>meant for every 18 wheeler. I am sure that there are some out there
>that do care. I hope you are one of them.
>Joe Preston
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:11:36 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers

In a message dated 7/10/98 8:55:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
KNBD87D prodigy.com writes:

>
I really think you need to come up with some hard facts on 18 wheelers. I too
believe that they are one of the safer group of drivers on the roads today. I
just sounds like more scapegoating going on here...

Joe
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:11:39 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Car & Driver this month

There is a great comparison test on small trucks (Dakota, S-10, Ranger,
Tacoma, and the Frontier). They rate the Dakota as best, and the Nissan
dead-last (duh! on the Nissan). The Ranger ranks second, they say due
to the "nerdy" Splash styling. Otherwise they say the Ford is a
tremendous truck (which all of us already knew!). (Why didn't they get
one without the Splash options? Seeing as how they never rank the Fords
first in any competition, could it be that was the only thing they could
find to complain about? Hmmm...)



Not starting a flame but the splash is an awesome truck, it adds
character to a plain looking ranger. Granted if you bought one to work
in then the splash is useless. The reason why the ranger only got
second...say this with me...NO V-8.

30,000 grand the new lightnings(99) will go for that and I would own
one....and there is no 4 wheel available!

Just my .02
Chris
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:15:46 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 302 timing advance

"Most 5-liters come with 10 degrees or less initial timing from the
factory. In most cases, the timing may be advanced substantially for a
dramatic improvement in ET. Most 5-liters can take at least 14
degrees,but we've seen as much as 18 degrees in a stock 5-liter using
good pump gas (93 or 94 octane)."

I think 14 is the furthest I would go without racing gas yeah sure you
can bump it up to 18 but not on 93 octane. But I would set it at 14(that
were us Lightning guys run ours) and see how it does, if it does not
ping try advancing a degree until it pings the back it up just a little.
If it pings at 14 (possible but not likely) the back off a degree at a
time til it stops.
Hope this helps
Chris
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:33:44 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers

Forwared for: "Giddens, Scott"
Send any personal replies to him, not me!

I think you left out that "Those 18 wheelers" murdered your
family or something. Your comments seem highly prejudice
and uns*bstantiated. I would trust my life with "Those 18
wheelers" before I would a typical small car driver. It would help
you to understand if you would look past the end of your nose
and see it from their point of view and in general the way our
system of commerce works.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Preston [SMTP:joepreston1 yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 8:12 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers
>
> >Don't sit there and tell me that we re making a bad >choice when it
> >comes to the safety of the highways. There are tons >of 18
>> >wheelers out there, they are not hazards. Heck, the >drivers of
> >those trucks are probably the safest that I have seen >yet. It's the
>
> >ones in the small cars that think they can whip around >other people
> >like a bumble bee that cause the wrecks.
>
> I have not taken the survey yet, but this comment above is grossly
> inacurate.
[Giddens, Scott] How can it be "grossly inaccurate" you have
nothing to back up this statement.
> Those 18 wheelers are involved with 75% of the accidents in
> our state.
[Giddens, Scott] Where did you hear this at? And "involved"
does
not mean they are responsible. This doesn't sound like a
legitimate
statistic. You must have dreamed this one up as you wrote it.
> Is that because of the smaller cars? I think not.
[Giddens, Scott] "Those 18 wheelers have more responsibility
and
training driving than you will ever have. Driving all day
everyday is more
experience than you will ever see. You should try driving a huge
truck
in city traffic during rush hour and see how tough it is to
change lanes
and get around the rude and inconsiderate small cars who dart in
and
around "Those 18 wheelers" without any idea what it is like to
maneuver
and stop something that big.
> They have no regard for other drivers on the road whatsoever.
[Giddens, Scott] They are at the mercy of everyone on the road.
You should have more regard for them. If you would let them get
where
they need to go, they will stay out of your way and traffic will
flow smoothly.
> In many cases they have come flying up behind people in the middle
> lane going the speed limit and start flashing their lights and riding
> their tail
> dangerously.
[Giddens, Scott] I see the small cars cut in front of them and
they
are narrowly missing getting hit. In this case the small car has
violated
the law by making an illegal lane change. Some people have to
get hit
in the "tail" and issued a ticket before they understand the
reason for this.
> In addition, they have destroyed our highways here to the
> point that they are under constant repair.
[Giddens, Scott] I suppose your solution is to get rid of
"Those
18 wheelers" so the roads won't ever need repair. Wake up, You
drive on them to so you are just as responsible and there are
allot
more of you. 18 wheelers pay thousands of dollars each every
year for this. Maybe you should consider the cost of the
products
you use that are kept inexpensive due to "Those 18 wheelers" who
are forced to drive all night to keep their job and earn a
living.
> I happen to live in an area where there is a truck stop at the
> entrance to the highway. They park wherever they feel the need,
> regardless of anyone else. They don't care who they block.
[Giddens, Scott] One word solution "move". I lived by a train
track
once, It didn't occur to me to accuse the trains of the same
thing.
But that is exactly what they do!
> I do agree that in many cases there are idiots in smaller cars that
> cause some of the accidents, but in the majority of the accidents
> on our highways, 18 wheelers were the cause.
[Giddens, Scott] I suppose you have facts to back this up,
because
I have never heard or read anything backs this up.
> Obviously you struck on one of my pet peeves.
[Giddens, Scott] "BINGO" this at least seems to be a fact.
> This is by no means meant for every 18 wheeler. I am sure that
there are some out there that do care. I hope you are one of
them.
[Giddens, Scott] I would think there are more than "some".
Otherwise
we would all be dead!
[Giddens, Scott] Scott

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:48:16 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers

On 10 Jul 98, at 9:00, Arnold G. wrote:

> I don't know where you are, but from my sixteen years of driving
>experiences and having an uncle that is 18-wheel owner and driver. What
>you have experienced is extremely rare. From Nevada to Missouri, from
>Texas to Wyoming I have only seen the bad driven twice. Remember that is

I have only seen one remotely dangerous case when a driver was
doing the speed limit during some pretty heavy rains taht we had
down here. After one near collision, the driver realized and slowed
down. I guess he must have been in a hurry to make the delivery
on time or something.

>in sixteen years of driving. I am on the road quite a bit and have
>observed a lot of different drivers. And it is my observation that
>drivers (of all vehicles) from the far east and from California are the
>WORST. They have no manners, patients, or road savvy. They usually spee=
d
>excessively and lane change dangerously (with using a turn indicators),
>tailgate, and exit the highway (or any road for that matter) after the
>road markings prevent it (ya-know those double solid white or yellow
>lines).

We get that here all the time. When you pull up to a red light and
there are only a few cars in front of you and there is a long line
beside you, watch out, cover the brakes (don't rest your foot on it,
just get ready) 'cause someone's going to spring out of there and
go into the shortest lane to be first at the next stop.

We get people that just change lanes out of the blue without any
kind of turn signals, or they will slam on their brakes, then use the
signals when they are going to turn somewhere, or sometimes not
use them at all. The tail gaters are the worst though. I have had a
ful size Chevy pickup come up on my tail one time, so close that I
could only see the rear part of his hood where it meets the
windshield over my tail gate. There is no reason for that, especially
when I was doing the speed limit (45 MPh).

> I agree with some of the past posts, 18-wheeler drivers are some the
>BEST drivers on the road (PERIOD). It usually the =93small=94 car that c=
auses
>the jack-knifing of the semi=92s. Making those =93oops I missed my exit=94
>turns. Yes there are bad drivers in all vehicles (including the
>18-wheelers) so don=92t condemn the 18-wheelers for a few bad ones. My
>uncle tells me stories of people cutting my off so he will wreck into the=
m
>so they can sue the pants off him and his company. They use the =93big b=
ad
>truck=94 theory in court.

You are right, it is normally the small cars. The drivers are worried
about hitting the car, 'cause the occupant will most likely be killed
or severely injured, so they end up wrecking their rigs to try and
save the other person's lives.

It's not the vehicle that is the 'road hog', it's the driver, but for some=

reason, I have noticed most of them to drive the small cars, I don't
know if it's because they are inexpensive in most cases, or if
because they are small and the drivers think they can avoid all
wrecks because their car is so small that they can 'whip' it
wherever they need.


You might be a redneck if... The day after Halloween you go
around town collecting toilet paper. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:48:16 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 18 Wheelers

On 10 Jul 98, at 7:11, Joe Preston wrote:

>I have not taken the survey yet, but this comment above is grossly
>inacurate. Those 18 wheelers are involved with 75% of the accidents in our
>state. Is that because of the smaller cars? I think not. They have no
>regard for other drivers on the road whatsoever. In many cases they have
>come flying up behind people in the middle lane going the speed limit and
>start flashing their lights and riding their tail dangerously. In
>addition, they have destroyed our highways here to the point that they are
>under constant repair. I happen to live in an area where there is a truck
>stop at the entrance to the highway. They park wherever they feel the
>need, regardless of anyone else. They don't care who they block. I do
>agree that in many cases there are idiots in smaller cars that cause some
>of the accidents, but in the majority of the accidents on our highways, 18
>wheelers were the cause. Obviously you struck on one of my pet peeves.

You said at the beginning that the drivers of the tractor trailers are
involved in 75% of the accidents, and then just here you said they
were the CAUSE of most accidents. Which is it? Are they just
involved in them, or are they the cause? There is a big difference...

If I am at a stop light, and someone comes sliding up on my rear
end and hits my vehicle, am I the cause? No! I am involved.

About the highways that are in constant repair, I don't know about
the whole situtation here, we've got a rather large truckstop a few
miles from my house, and the roads in front of it are in GREAT
shape, and they haven't needed to be repaved in well over ten
years. State Road 200 here in Ocala, Florida though is in worse
shape, I cannot remember the last time it was paved though. I
don't think rigs are the fault of that, it seems like regular passenger
cars are the ones that had caused the road to deteriorate so far
over time...

I don't think it's the vehicle that travels over it all the time, I think it
has to do with the weather conditions, like down here, we get a lot
of potholes if there isn't any rain for a while, and then we get a
heavy downpour, that weakens the road, and when you drive over it
and hit a small bump, pieces of the road fly out to the side.

>This is by no means meant for every 18 wheeler. I am sure that
>>here are some out there that do care. I hope you are one of them.
>Joe Preston

Well, there are some that care. There is one program down here in
Florida, I don't know how widespread it is, but they bring a rig into
the school's for the driver's ed program, and then they are talking
about the blind spots on the rigs. To the right side, to the rear, and
then up to the very front. I have ridden in a couple of them before,
and I must say, there are spots that most people dont' think of
staying away from when it comes to the tractor trailers..

If you are passing a vehicle and you cannot see the ENTIRE front
end of the truck in your rear view mirror, you are too close, and
chances are the driver cannot see your tail lights on the car. All he
can see in most cases is right behind the cab.

Iif you are to the right and left side and you cannot see the driver in
his/her rear view mirrors, chances are, the driver cannot see your....


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