80-96-list-digest Thursday, July 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 236



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - VIN Authentification
FTE 80-96 - RE: Rich Condition
FTE 80-96 - catalytic converter
Re: FTE 80-96 - catalytic converter
FTE 80-96 - RE: Ignition Timing
FTE 80-96 - Nominate Ford Truck Enthusiasts?
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Ignition Timing/pinging
FTE 80-96 - Re: anti-SUV survey
FTE 80-96 - The cruise control works !!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - catalytic converter
FTE 80-96 - FW: Your Anti-SUV survey
FTE 80-96 - 1987 F-350 6.9liter diesel oilpan
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: 250,000th visitor
FTE 80-96 - Lincoln 9" rear with disc brakes

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 8:07:18 -0800
From: callah S1.hninc.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - VIN Authentification

For a fee of $35.00, a company called "Pontiac Historic Services", in
Michigan, using you car's VIN, will send you a copy of the factory
invoice, a letter decoding the vehicle options, plus other pertinent
information related to the vehicle. Does anyone know of a company that
will do something similar for Fords?

Gary Callahan
'81 F-150 Custom 4x4

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:46:49 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Rich Condition

> Bob Johnson,
>
> By all means do all the cheap, easy stuff first. But..............an
> overrich condition such as you describe (if not attributable to the O2
> sensor) can also be linked to an out of spec. MAP sensor(not adjustable).
> Their pricey, about $80 bucks so don't replace unless you know it's bad.
> Check the vacuum line going to it and make sure it isn't restricted in any
> way. Walt
>
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> ==================
> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:42:52 -0600
> From: "David Sagers"
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 Ranger 29.l efi - still running rich
>
> By all means, pull the distributor cap off and stuff a paper towel or rag
> =
> up in the cap to clean out any moisture. =20
>
> I once heard that you could also spray WD-40 or some other type of water =
> resistance spray inside the cap to keep moisture out. I've never used the
> =
> spray and would recommend against it until you are really sure of the =
> correct type to use. =20
>
> In any event wipe out the inside of the cap and check all plug wires, =
> finally, inside a dark garage or after dark tonight, lift the hood and =
> have someone rev the engine and watch for stray sparks from broken or =
> loose plug wires.
>
>
> >>> Bob Johnson 07/06 8:36 AM >>>
> Thanks to all who sent advice regarding my '86 Ranger. Symptoms: high and
> low speed miss, black smoke out exhaust, will sometimes stall when coming
> =
> to
> a stop. I checked the O2 sensor, and found all 3 wires damaged, so I
> replaced it - but no improvement in drivability. Have run several tanks =
> with
> injector cleaner - no effect. Mileage is relatively poor - about 15 mostly
> highway mpg. Seat of the pants says it's getting worse.
>
> Feels a lot like one of my motorcycles in the rain, when I could see the
> spark leaking from a wet spark plug boot - misses, then runs ok, then =
> misses
> some more. I don't think this is moisture related - no rain here in north
> Texas in a long time - hot and dry. I did clean the engine a few weeks =
> ago,
> however - degreaser and water. Should I look for moisture in the
> distributor? Replace the ignition wires? Plugs? Will take it in to the =
> shop
> on Wednesday for diagnosis if no one has a better idea re: what to check
> and/or replace next.
>
> Any advice will be appreciated. TIA.
>
> Bob
> '86 Ranger SC XLT 2.9l efi
> '80 F-250 Custom 300 I-6, 3 speed
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 08:40:48 -0800
From: Casey Vandor
Subject: FTE 80-96 - catalytic converter

I was pulling off the transfer case and had to remove a heat sheield
that was right next to it. In the Haynes manual it says it is their
because the cat. converter was their on a stock exhaust. To meet
emissions, can I simply have a muffler on the truck without the cat.
converter, (we also undid the air pump too)? I would hate to put lots
of money into the exhaust, and then have to redo part of it. (reason I
ask is that I called DMV to see if I could keep my truck registered in
Ketchikan (no emmissions laws) when I am in Fairbanks (emmissions
laws). They tell me that I need to register it their if I plan on doing
more than "stopping through" for a little while.

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:04:43 -0600
From: "David Sagers"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - catalytic converter

In addition to local laws, be careful not to run afoul of the federal =
laws, especially in regards removing the cats. I can't recall exactly, =
but removing the cat seems like a violation.

>>> Casey Vandor 07/08 10:40 AM >>>
I was pulling off the transfer case and had to remove a heat sheield
that was right next to it. In the Haynes manual it says it is their
because the cat. converter was their on a stock exhaust. To meet
emissions, can I simply have a muffler on the truck without the cat.
converter, (we also undid the air pump too)? I would hate to put lots
of money into the exhaust, and then have to redo part of it. (reason I
ask is that I called DMV to see if I could keep my truck registered in
Ketchikan (no emmissions laws) when I am in Fairbanks (emmissions
laws). They tell me that I need to register it their if I plan on doing
more than "stopping through" for a little while.

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:15:42 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Ignition Timing

I must have a weird truck...85 2bbl 4wd/ man. It pings and sounds like a
diesel on reg. gas., mid grade helps some but pings with any uphill or
spirited driving, doesn't ping on supreme($$$). I've backed off the stock
timing until it would run o.k. on reg. gas but then the truck was a dog (and
that was at 4 degrees BTDC). EGR checks out o.k., no codes in the computer,
can't find any vacuum leaks, and it has done this since brand new, 2 dealers
couldn't find the problem either, I've pried the caps off the carb to richen
the idle mixture but that doesn't help going down the road. So I'm resigned
to the fact that If I want any power, I'll leave the ign. timing to the
stock spec of 10 BTDC and run premium in it. Fortunately I don't have to
drive it much so fuel bill is not quite horrendous. I checked with Holley
about one of their projection systems for my truck but they don't make one
for it...go figure. Walt
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:26:05 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Nominate Ford Truck Enthusiasts?

Well its that time again, Car Lounge is taking nominations for
the #1 automotive site for Autumn 98. Due to the support from
list members in the Spring, Ford Truck Enthusiasts won 1st
place for the Summer 98 award. If you would like to nominate
Ford Truck Enthusiasts, please visit:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://carlounge.com/nominate.htm

Thanks,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:10:48 -0400
From: D Robertson
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Ignition Timing/pinging

I had a similar problem on a 86 F-150 w/ 4.9L . The carb on my truck is a
feedback type. The feedback solenoid on the carb failed and it would ping
like mad all the time. Several dealers and several independent garages
could not find the problem. They kept blaming the EGR. I also fooled with
the timing but it really hurt performance. I forget how I finally figured
it out it was several years ago.

Dave


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:42:48 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: anti-SUV survey

JJ writes:
>
>Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 22:41:31 -0500
>From: JJ/Rae
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Anti SUV Survey
>
>Go to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.suv.org/index.html and take the survey. This is anti
>SUV and
>needs to be told the truth.
>
>JJ
>

Took the "survey". You all should, too, for a great example of bias
and leading questions. Guess what, though? The results have been better
than 2 to 1 in FAVOR of trucks/SUVs. Darn those freedom-loving, truck
driving Americans, anyway...

Words to fear: "I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help!"

lordjanusz juno.com

'94 F150 (300ci) '73 F100 (360ci) '97 Saturn (wife's car)

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:02:11 -0500
From: Ron Madurski
Subject: FTE 80-96 - The cruise control works !!!

I got all the bits and pieces installed and the speedo cable spliced and
now I don't need to use my right foot as much (less chance of getting a
ticket now :-). Here's what I needed to get off of the truck to
transfer to mine. My truck is a Diesel so some of this may vary on gas
powered vehicle.

Starting at the fuel injection pump:

Throttle cables (2) one for the gas pedal and one for the servo motor.
(This was a really good deal for me since my old cable was starting to
stick and a new one was $45) I didn't need any special mounts or
anything for the second cable since there was a spot for it on the
existing throttle cable mount.

Servo motor. Connected to the left side fenderwell just above the
water/fuel separator.

Speed sensor. Spliced into the speedo cable and has 2 wires which run
into the cab. Cost me $45 to have a splice added to my cable since the
ones in the donor truck were already cut up.

Vacuum reservoir. Coffee can with a couple of vacuum fittings.

Vacuum hoses. They run all over the place only 2 need to be
disconnected. One at the vacuum manifold on the firewall and one to the
vacuum switch on the brake pedal.

Cruise control controller. Under the dash next to the ash tray.

The wiring harness. Get it all. The first time I took it out it was
getting dark and I felt around in my truck to see if I had the right
connectors and I mistook one of my existing connectors to be the one for
the clutch switch (oops)

Vacuum switch. This is connected to the steering wheel frame with 2
nuts on top. It's a bear to get to this area with a wrench so when I
put it back together I drilled out the studs on the mount and used
bolts. Much easier.

Clutch switch. It is mounted on the same bracket as the start switch.

Control panel. This is the switches on the steering wheel.

You DO NOT need to remove the steering wheel and replace the guts of the
ignition switch area. I did this just because I couldn't get a
definitive answer from any source. Actually I didn't do it, I tried.
The guts of the steering wheel between the 85 (my truck) and the 87 (the
donor) were different enough that I would have had to go back to the
yard to get the shell and key.

Put it all together and your on your way. BTW, the steering wheel
control panel came from an 82, the truck I have is an 85, and the other
donor parts came from an 87.

Any questions?
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:20:01 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - catalytic converter

On 8 Jul 98, at 11:04, David Sagers wrote:

>In addition to local laws, be careful not to run afoul of the federal
>laws, especially in regards removing the cats. I can't recall exactly,
>but removing the cat seems like a violation.

Yeah it was. I heard something along the lines of modifying or
tampering with the pollution tubes was against the law as well. I
don't know, might wanna check into it.

You might be a redneck if... You use a pig for a garbage disposal.
- Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://countrycorner.home.ml.org
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:36:22 -0500
From: Anthony Rio
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FW: Your Anti-SUV survey

As sent to the tree-huggers.......

- -----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Rio [SMTP:trio tigroupchicago.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 6:35 PM
To: 'foe foe.org'
Subject: Your Anti-SUV survey

You folks are obviously pretty obtuse.

Most car manufacturers put the same engines in SUV's that they do in
passenger vehicles (minivans, luxury sedans, econo-boxes). Many times the
SUV weighs less than a passenger car with the comparable engine, and as
such the engine has to pull less of a load, therefore increasing efficient
use of fuel.


As for "hogging the road"... In my experience it is not the vehicle. The
problem exists between the seat and the steering wheel.

It's very obvious that your site and "survey" are biased towards
"anti-suv". When you can present facts based on an impartial discovery
process, only then will I (and most other intelligent individuals) put any
faith in your findings.

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:05:01 EDT
From: Mezd aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1987 F-350 6.9liter diesel oilpan

Does anyone out there know if I can interchange a F-350 6.9 liter diesel
oilpan with a 1986 Internation 6.9 liter oilpan.
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:54:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: 250,000th visitor

Just had our 250,000th visitor to the web site. Thought
some of you might want to know. Thanks!

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:16:50 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Lincoln 9" rear with disc brakes

Hi gang ran across a nice Lincoln 9" rear end complete assembly with disc
brakes today at the boneyard for $175.00. Does this sound good? I don't
need it right now so I thought I would pass it on to everyone. If it's good
enough I just might buy it for safe keeping.... what do you all think? If
anyone needs it let me know privately and I'll give you the info...

John Miller, FoMoCoNUT ....


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