80-96-list-digest Wednesday, July 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 235



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives
Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing and Mileage
FTE 80-96 - RE:Timing and Mileage and Timing Pinging
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives
RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives
FTE 80-96 - RE: Fuel Injector Cleaner
RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Fuel Injector Cleaner
FTE 80-96 - RE:84 bad mileage
FTE 80-96 - RE: 5 speed available in 1998...
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE:84 bad mileage
FTE 80-96 - HOW DO YOU TEST THE O2 SENSOR
FTE 80-96 - 1987 F-350 diesel oil pan
Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing Pinging
FTE 80-96 - Anti SUV Survey
Re: FTE 80-96 - Anti SUV Survey
FTE 80-96 - 302 timing

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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:34:31 -0700
From: cassis
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives

Sorry been out of town, but yes it will work and wont f%&k up your
injectors. Go look at a can of injector cleaner and read what is inside.
Tolune is one of its major components. By using straight tolune you are
just putting a stronger cleaner in. I think it was about 8 or 10 bucks for
a 1/2 gallon of the stuff. Just tell the guy at the paint store you are
using it to cut paint with.

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From: IMATOOLMAN aol.com [SMTP:IMATOOLMAN aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 1998 10:10 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives

Will Tolune from paint store really work the same as fuel inject/cleaner
or will it really mess with the injectors and this is just a goof on us
here?
Tool needs to know
how much does it cost per/pint or per/gal?
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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 08:56:53 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing and Mileage

Rene, What kind of fuel mileage are you getting? I have a 84 F150 4x4
300I-6
automatic.
I think my mileage sucks! I maybe gettin 10 mpg?
Anyways I am in the prosess of some major performance upgrades.
4 barrel carb 500 edelbrock
4 barrel clifford intake
3 piece, 6 into 1 clifford header
blue printed distrubutor, with advanced curve, yes I had to change the
distrubutor to get
vacuum advance, I also had to change the ignition to accomodate the
distrubutor!
high energy cam kit from comp cams, 260 duration 477 lift, lifters
springs,
timming gears
I also had the head ported and shaved 25000, the vavles were also cut
back
I am just gettin it back together i still need to find a good quiet
muffler
that works well?
So Iam hopeing to get better gas milage and a lot more power!
By the way the truck only has 57000 miles on it.
And I have NO smog control at all! I will run a converter though, they
check
for that
here! HOPE I can pass a smog test?
3.55 gears 32x12.50 BFG A/T
Gene Ball

Rene Poulin wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I have a 84 F150 with a 300 engine. I have hooked up a vacuum gauge
> permanently to the intake manifold to give me an idea of how much fuel I
> am using at any given time. I found recommendations elswhere ont the
> net about advancing the timing anywhere from 2-10 degrees from factory
> specs to improve performance and mileage. So far it seems to work The
> vacuum gauge indicates at least 30% less fuel consumed at cruising speed
> and there is definetly more power. I am just about to go on a long trip
> and will keep track of actual mileage obtained. Anyone else fooled with
> the timing on their motors?
>
> Rene
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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:55:58 -0600
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:Timing and Mileage and Timing Pinging

Different engines will require different amounts of advance. A trick
I've used on older engines is to bump up the timing a degree at a time
until pinging starts. I like to set the timing such that just a little
pinging is evident when lugging the engine at low RPM, hard to get right
with an automatic tranny. If the advance curve isn't too radical you
should be ok and near optimum over the normal operating range. On
modified engines I've adjusted the advance curve so that I got best
performance over the whole RPM range. What I've found is that having
the optimum timing for the octane gasoline being used is important.
You'll get more power and better mileage with regular no-lead and
optimum advance pinging than if you have the timing a little to far
advanced and compensate for it by going to higher octane.

For the guy with the pinging 460, follow the above advice but retard
instead of advance in one degree increments.

Larry

>Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:18:17 -0700
>From: Rene Poulin
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Timing and Mileage

>Hi All

>I have a 84 F150 with a 300 engine. I have hooked up a vacuum gauge
>permanently to the intake manifold to give me an idea of how much fuel
I
>am using at any given time. I found recommendations elswhere ont the
>net about advancing the timing anywhere from 2-10 degrees from factory
>specs to improve performance and mileage. So far it seems to work The
>vacuum gauge indicates at least 30% less fuel consumed at cruising
speed
>and there is definetly more power. I am just about to go on a long trip
>and will keep track of actual mileage obtained. Anyone else fooled with
>the timing on their motors?

>Rene
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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:57:59 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives

>From: Jim Cannon
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives
>
>"TOOL" wrote:
>"Will Tolune from paint store really work the same as
>fuel inject/cleaner
>
>I suspect that there are other chemicals in with the toluene
>in those fuel injector cleaners that are really the more active
>ingredients, but I'm not sure. I suspect the toluene is used
>mainly as a carrier (and it is a good solvent, too).
>
>Anyone have an engine they want to experiment on and let the
>list know the results? I don't.

Yo Jim, et al:

Toluene is an "arene," AKA, aromatic hydrocarbon. Its formula is C7H8.
Along w/ its excellent solvent properties, it also has a fairly high octane
rating (124 research, 112 motor) and good specific energy (approx. 40 MJ/kg
versus 45 MJ/kg for normal heptane, which is the predominant ingredient in
gasoline).

Because of its desirable octane-enhancing properties, toluene is used in
almost all gasoline blends. In fact, it is usually one of the major
components of gasoline.

In the US, the EPA restricts toluene content in gasoline to 20% (by weight)
or less. Thus, your normal gasoline may be up to 20% toluene. In some
other countries, the gasoline blend consists of up to 50% toluene.

For more information on gasoline and its components, check out the
following web site:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/autos/gasoline-faq/.html

As for the magic ingredient in fuel injector cleaners, it must be something
else.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:41:41 -0700
From: cassis
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives

I have to disagree this does work well, I have used under suggestion of one
of the mechanics at a local Ford dealership here in Houston, instead of
injector and it seems to do the trick. Just use one pint in a full tank of
gas and it works. I do this twice a year now. But originaly my truck seemed
to have a ruff idle and this is what my mechanic suggested I try before
bring the truck in - it worked for me. I must admit I was a little
skeptical until I tried it.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Resch [SMTP:dresch sybase.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 8:58 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives

>From: Jim Cannon
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Weird additives
>
>"TOOL" wrote:
>"Will Tolune from paint store really work the same as
>fuel inject/cleaner
>
>I suspect that there are other chemicals in with the toluene
>in those fuel injector cleaners that are really the more active
>ingredients, but I'm not sure. I suspect the toluene is used
>mainly as a carrier (and it is a good solvent, too).
>
>Anyone have an engine they want to experiment on and let the
>list know the results? I don't.

Yo Jim, et al:

Toluene is an "arene," AKA, aromatic hydrocarbon. Its formula is C7H8.
Along w/ its excellent solvent properties, it also has a fairly high octane
rating (124 research, 112 motor) and good specific energy (approx. 40 MJ/kg
versus 45 MJ/kg for normal heptane, which is the predominant ingredient in
gasoline).

Because of its desirable octane-enhancing properties, toluene is used in
almost all gasoline blends. In fact, it is usually one of the major
components of gasoline.
....

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