80-96-list-digest Friday, June 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 218



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - H*lp- transmission problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - 4.9 muffler?
FTE 80-96 - NP435 from F-series
FTE 80-96 - 1992 Automatic Transmission Problems
RE: FTE 80-96 - 1992 Automatic Transmission Problems
FTE 80-96 - Re:Key Lock
Re: RE: FTE 80-96 - just stuff
Re: FTE 80-96 - H*lp- transmission problem
RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
RE: RE: FTE 80-96 - just stuff
RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
FTE 80-96 - Thanks for Ford classic info
RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
FTE 80-96 - Re: TSB
FTE 80-96 - OOOPS.. Press in clips
Re: FTE 80-96 - just stuff
Re: FTE 80-96 - Shock opinions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Shock opinions

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:05:41
From: Patti Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - H*lp- transmission problem

At 09:39 PM 6/17/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Is the truck a 4X4? I'm not sure about the Mazda swap...
>I'll look around here.
>Bob

No 2wd.
Pat Smith pjsmith misslink.net
Galesburg,Il
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:35:17 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 4.9 muffler?

Gene Ball wrote:

> I have a1984 4.9 with a 4 barrel and a header, and small cam, and a
> ported head!
> What is a good muffler to run with these upgrades that doesnt sound
> funny,

Gene,
I have heard that Borla is a good system. They are twice the money
as say Gibson and others but they have a few perks. They give you
essentially a lifetime warranty of 1,000,000 miles, and they are
stainless
steel as well they are a quiet system compared to others.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:56:48 -0400
From: Chris Hunt
Subject: FTE 80-96 - NP435 from F-series

I have a Ford NP435 4sp granny that is popping out of granny low while
under load crawling up a trail.
Not all the time, but enought that it could cause a problem depending on
the trail.
Ideas? BTW this NP435 is mated to a AMC360v8 and a Dana300 transfer case
via AA adaptor all in a 79 CJ7.
Chris
chris peake.com


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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:06:53 -0400
From: "C. E. White"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1992 Automatic Transmission Problems

I own a 1992 Ford F-150 SWB, 2WD, 300 I-6 with the Electronically
Controlled Overdrive Automatic Transmission. The truck currently has about
78,000 miles. Until now I have never had a problem. Last week I spent a
couple of hours in the truck on a very hot day "idling" around a farm I
own. Some of the time the truck was in park, some of the time it was in
drive, but stopped with the brakes. I also did some driving on relatively
firm dirt. Eventually the transmission started slipping in the lower
gears. When I realized what was going on, I headed for my local
independent mechanic. After I got into high gear things seemed OK. When I
got to the shop the mechanic was not there and it was raining like heck,
so I decided to head for home. I almost could not leave. The truck did not
want to move in reverse and it took a lot of coaxing to get it going
forward. Eventually I got it into high gear and made it back to my house.
When I got to the house I looked under the truck and saw automatic
transmission fluid literally pouring from somewhere in the bell housing
area. I was sure the transmission was cooked. I took another vehicle back
to the shop and talked to the mechanic. He began talking about a repair
bill in the high hundreds/low thousands. I was panicking at this point.
Then he told me to wait till the truck cooled and add fluid back to the
proper level and see what happened. I did this and everything seemed to
return to normal. He told me he had seen this exact same thing happen on
another Ford similar to mine. He said that truck was still OK many
thousands of miles later.

Has anyone else seen something like this? Am I living on borrowed time?
Anything I can do to stop it from happening again?

Thanks for any help.

Regards,

Ed

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:54:00 -0400
From: "Lyter, Bob (Concert)"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 1992 Automatic Transmission Problems

Sounds similar to my problem.

I have a 93' F-150 Flare Side w/5.0 EFI (86,000 Miles). I had a problem
with my automatic transmission (Electronic Overdrive). While driving on
highway or city it would be going fine and then seemed to shutter and clank
into gear. Normally on a bit of an incline but not always. Anyhow went to a
transmission shop and they said it was an inherent problem with this
particular tranny. Was told it would be around $600 to rebuild it or $100
service job may cure it temporarily. Had it serviced and it was fine for
about 6 mos. I am now starting to see this problem occur again. I would like
to know if anyone else has already been thru this and what the solution
might be.

Also Searching for advice!

Thanks in advance,
Bob Lyter

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From: C. E. White
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1992 Automatic Transmission Problems
Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 9:06AM

I own a 1992 Ford F-150 SWB, 2WD, 300 I-6 with the Electronically
Controlled Overdrive Automatic Transmission. The truck currently has about
78,000 miles. Until now I have never had a problem. Last week I spent a
couple of hours in the truck on a very hot day "idling" around a farm I
own. Some of the time the truck was in park, some of the time it was in
drive, but stopped with the brakes. I also did some driving on relatively
firm dirt. Eventually the transmission started slipping in the lower
gears. When I realized what was going on, I headed for my local
independent mechanic. After I got into high gear things seemed OK. When I
got to the shop the mechanic was not there and it was raining like heck,
so I decided to head for home. I almost could not leave. The truck did not
want to move in reverse and it took a lot of coaxing to get it going
forward. Eventually I got it into high gear and made it back to my house.
When I got to the house I looked under the truck and saw automatic
transmission fluid literally pouring from somewhere in the bell housing
area. I was sure the transmission was cooked. I took another vehicle back
to the shop and talked to the mechanic. He began talking about a repair
bill in the high hundreds/low thousands. I was panicking at this point.
Then he told me to wait till the truck cooled and add fluid back to the
proper level and see what happened. I did this and everything seemed to
return to normal. He told me he had seen this exact same thing happen on
another Ford similar to mine. He said that truck was still OK many
thousands of miles later.

Has anyone else seen something like this? Am I living on borrowed time?
Anything I can do to stop it from happening again?

Thanks for any help.

Regards,

Ed

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 9:32:20 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:Key Lock

Rick,

You may want to check out Mr. G in Texas. He has several catalogs that has
weird parts. He prints his catalogs with to "scale" pictures and all you=20
have
to do is compare your part with the one in the catalog by holding it up to=20
it.
It has helped me out several time with my '70 Torino GT on the those hard
to find fasteners. I think they are advertised in Hemmings and am not sure
if they have a web page or not. My catalogs are still buried after my move
to my new house. Sorry! If you can get there number and address, I think
they can help.

Later,

-Ted

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:31:36 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Key Lock

Casey Vandor wrote:

> Ok, a list memeber told me how to change out the complete lock assembly,=20
but
> to do so I need to pull the panels off the doors. All the little white
> press in clips are missing lots of teeth and don't hold real well. Ford
> cant find them in their ordering manuals and NAPA doesn't carry them, do=20
you
> have a Ford Part Number I could show the dealer or where should I look fo=
r
> more of them?
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:56:34 -0700
From: bpatten psfmech.com (Bill C. Patten)
Subject: Re: RE: FTE 80-96 - just stuff

Brian writes:
>t's a conversion made by a company called Centurion (I think.) It's
>essentially an F-350 with a bronco back end.

THANK YOU!!!!

I can definitely believe its a Centurion, I don't know how I could have
missed the Centurion placards, so hopefully I'll see one this weekend,
I'll also check to see if Centurion has a web site after I type this.

Thanks again, this was turning into a "bigfoot" , I know what I saw but no
one believed me :)

Bill P

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:41:52 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - H*lp- transmission problem

Called Ferrill's (Bone yard in Washington). They can get one in three
days...price $900.00 (whew!) I've got a few more places to check;will also
look up the bolt pattern in Advanced Adapter catalog and see if a sub is
possible.

Bob


At 06:05 AM 6/18/98, you wrote:
>At 09:39 PM 6/17/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>Is the truck a 4X4? I'm not sure about the Mazda swap...
>>I'll look around here.
>>Bob
>
>No 2wd.
>Pat Smith pjsmith misslink.net
>Galesburg,Il
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:38:21 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

>From: Dave Armbruster
>Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
>
>I replaced my stock air filter with the K&N cone (and Borla
>cat-back and Mobil 1). I noticed a slight increase in fuel
>economy, but it's true that you aren't going to see as huge of
>an improvement as they would like you to believe.

Yo Dave:

All the ads claiming performance improvements (assuming they are telling
the truth at all) are based on some "ideal" situation. It is unlikely that
anyone in the real world will realize all the (potential) improvements
claimed.

When I got a K&N element for my stock 351M air cleaner, the only
improvement was cleaning the filter element once every 30K miles instead of
changing it once every 5K. I detected no improvement in engine output.
That probably also shows that the air filter element was not a performance
bottleneck for my engine. OTOH, the K&N would collect dirt for a longer
period than the paper element w/out an adverse effect on performance. One
thing you do have to watch out for is over-oiling them.

> But, I think the K&N air filter, beside only needing occasional
>cleaning to last a very long time, probably does an overall
>better job of filtering the air than a typical paper filter.
>Due to the fact that the oil attracts the dust and small particles
>well without choking the engine silly, which can only increase
>engine life.

That is one of their claims that would be hard to disprove w/out a lot of
expensive equipment and testing.

> Anyone remember the old oil bath air filters from years ago?

I remember the oil bath air filter on my dad's '67 F250. Seems like for a
while in the late '60s, you could order the paper filter as a "performance"
option. All the auto manufacturers eventually went from oil bath to the
paper element because the paper element flows much better than oil bath
filters, and paper elements retain gas vapors better for evaporative
emissions control. Conceptually, the K&N filters are sort of a cross
between the old oil bath and paper filter elements.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:58:39 -0600
From: "Brian Soderblom"
Subject: RE: RE: FTE 80-96 - just stuff

> >t's a conversion made by a company called Centurion (I
> think.) It's
> >essentially an F-350 with a bronco back end.
>
> Thanks again, this was turning into a "bigfoot" , I know
> what I saw but no
> one believed me :)

heh... you're welcome. There was one for sale at a local dealer when
I was shopping for my Bronco that I looked at. Was an 85', they
wanted $12000 for it... BIG truck. :)

- --
Brian Soderblom
brian soderblom.net
(303) 903-3346 ICQ# 4603281

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:21:01 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

Dave R.

1. Dave Armbruster is talking about the K&N FIPK
Filter Injection Performance Kit (K&N cone) not the
40 buck drop in (flat) element. I agree that you
wasted your money if that is what you bought.

2. Dave Armbruster is concerned about fuel economy,
not performance.

3. The FIPK dramatically increased my performance
and I would recommend you try one or talk to
someone who has. I made the decision to buy one
after talking to many people who had actually
purchased one.

Scott

> All the ads claiming performance improvements (assuming they are
> telling
> the truth at all) are based on some "ideal" situation. It is unlikely
> that
> anyone in the real world will realize all the (potential) improvements
> claimed.
>
> When I got a K&N element for my stock 351M air cleaner, the only
> improvement was cleaning the filter element once every 30K miles
> instead of
> changing it once every 5K. I detected no improvement in engine
> output.
> That probably also shows that the air filter element was not a
> performance
> bottleneck for my engine. OTOH, the K&N would collect dirt for a
> longer
> period than the paper element w/out an adverse effect on performance.
> One
> thing you do have to watch out for is over-oiling them.
>
> That is one of their claims that would be hard to disprove w/out a lot
> of
> expensive equipment and testing.
>
> I remember the oil bath air filter on my dad's '67 F250. Seems like
> for a
> while in the late '60s, you could order the paper filter as a
> "performance"
> option. All the auto manufacturers eventually went from oil bath to
> the
> paper element because the paper element flows much better than oil
> bath
> filters, and paper elements retain gas vapors better for evaporative
> emissions control. Conceptually, the K&N filters are sort of a cross
> between the old oil bath and paper filter elements.
>
> Dave R. (M-block devotee)
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:45:41 -0700
From: bpatten psfmech.com (Bill C. Patten)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Thanks for Ford classic info

Thanks for ending my search for information on a Ford Classic!

For anyone interested The Centurion company produced a modified F series
called a Classic. It started out in the late eighties as a F-150 Extended
cab and a Bronco. they chopped the back of the truck off, added two more
doors, and the back end of the bronco. They made 250 and 350 versions up
through '97 in 2 and 4 wheel drive. There is even a F-350 four door Dually
4x4 rolling around. Thats allotta truck!

Thanks again!

Bill Patten


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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:20:37 -0600
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

Guys,

I put a K&N in with the addition of Borla cat-back (and eventually a new
MAS and thottlebody) to increase overall engine airflow efficiency. My
main concern was actually performance, although fuel economy was also a
thought (hope?). The bottom line is that it has increased power,
particularly at mid and high RPM, but my fuel economy has not gone up
appreciably. In truth, just adding a new air filter is not going to
make a stock truck suddenly get 10 more MPG or become street rocket.

BTW, I understand that the reason that the paper type was listed as a
performance option back then was the fact that you can't turn very
sharply without splashing the oil around. Also, paper in a plastic
housing is much lighter than having a couple of quarts of motor oil in a
steel container on top of your engine. IMHO, the reasons that
automakers went to paper are primarily a cheaper cost and the fact that
you don't have to always check the level of the oil.

Dave
Denver, CO



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Giddens, Scott [SMTP:sgiddens ball.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 1:21 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
>
> Dave R.
>
> 1. Dave Armbruster is talking about the K&N FIPK
> Filter Injection Performance Kit (K&N cone) not the
> 40 buck drop in (flat) element. I agree that you
> wasted your money if that is what you bought.
>
> 2. Dave Armbruster is concerned about fuel economy,
> not performance.
>
> 3. The FIPK dramatically increased my performance
> and I would recommend you try one or talk to
> someone who has. I made the decision to buy one
> after talking to many people who had actually
> purchased one.
>
> Scott
>
> > All the ads claiming performance improvements (assuming they are
> > telling
> > the truth at all) are based on some "ideal" situation. It is
> unlikely
> > that
> > anyone in the real world will realize all the (potential)
> improvements
> > claimed.
> >
> > When I got a K&N element for my stock 351M air cleaner, the only
> > improvement was cleaning the filter element once every 30K miles
> > instead of
> > changing it once every 5K. I detected no improvement in engine
> > output.
> > That probably also shows that the air filter element was not a
> > performance
> > bottleneck for my engine. OTOH, the K&N would collect dirt for a
> > longer
> > period than the paper element w/out an adverse effect on
> performance.
> > One
> > thing you do have to watch out for is over-oiling them.
> >
> > That is one of their claims that would be hard to disprove w/out a
> lot
> > of
> > expensive equipment and testing.
> >
> > I remember the oil bath air filter on my dad's '67 F250. Seems like
> > for a
> > while in the late '60s, you could order the paper filter as a
> > "performance"
> > option. All the auto manufacturers eventually went from oil bath
> to
> > the
> > paper element because the paper element flows much better than oil
> > bath
> > filters, and paper elements retain gas vapors better for evaporative
> > emissions control. Conceptually, the K&N filters are sort of a
> cross
> > between the old oil bath and paper filter elements.
> >
> > Dave R. (M-block devotee)
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:00:58 EDT
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

In a message dated 6/18/98 2:21:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time, darmbruster pai-
colo.com writes:

>
> BTW, I understand that the reason that the paper type was listed as a
> performance option back then was the fact that you can't turn very
> sharply without splashing the oil around. Also, paper in a plastic
> housing is much lighter than having a couple of quarts of motor oil in a
> steel container on top of your engine. IMHO, the reasons that
> automakers went to paper are primarily a cheaper cost and the fact that
> you don't have to always check the level of the oil.
>
Don't forget the nasty mess you had when cleaning the housing and changing the
oil! Any time you pulled that filter off you had an oily mess.
My .02
D Baken
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Preston
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: TSB

Does anyone out there have a copy of TSB 97-12-13 from June 1997?
Someone posted previously about a TSB on a computer change that cured
a failure to hold in low gear which is a problem I am currently
experiencing. I
took my truck to the dealer but they of course denied being able to
find anything and wanted to prospect around in my gear box.

I reviewed the list at Alldata and I think this is the right TSB but I
don't have easy access to a full copy of the bulletin. If anyone has
one they could send me I would sure appreciate it.


I am also interested in finding a copy or information on a TSB. I have
a Ranger 96 XLT and have heard that there is a TSB for sticking
brakes. Someone posted a number 97-14-16 earlier. Can you tell me
what is ALLDATA? Is there somewhere that I can get more information
including application information regarding TSBs?
I have another question. Has anyone heard of Rangers mysteriously
dropping from 2WD into 4WD low for no apparent reason? This happened
the other day while my wife was driving. Luckily, she was only going
around 10 or 15 mph. Imagine what would have happened if she was on
the highway doing 75? The dealer says that it has happened to
Explorers, but this is the first time for a Ranger. Lucky us. They
said they need to "flush out the system." I will let you know as this
unfolds.

Joe P



_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:06:33 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - OOOPS.. Press in clips

I think I quoted the entire digest... I hope the server did not allow my
message to go through.
If it didn't, I was replying about those little white press in clips that
hold the door panels on. Another list member was going to a junkyard and
said he would look around. Mine is an 83 regular cab, base model (in case
the XLT or Lariets have different interiors)

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:43:46 -0500
From: "Parker Brooks"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - just stuff

hey todd,

i can only give you my feeling when i had an explorer with 31" tires. it had
the 3.73 and was decent for a 4L, so i'd have to guess that if you have a
5.0 and 3.55 with 33", you mind bog a little, but your highway mileage will
be great. :)


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From: Todd Johnston
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 11:15 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - just stuff


>Hi everyone
> I was wandering if someone could help me with a couple of
questions.
>I have an 88 bronco with 3.55 gears and a limited slip. I would like to
upgrade
>to a 33 or 35 inch tire. Will i need to change my gear size.
>Also i am looking at installing a six inch lift. Does anyone know some good
>prices for a complete system (just the parts not labour).
>Any help that you could offer would be greatly appreciated.
>Thanks in advance.
>Todd Johnston
>Big Bronco Bustin
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:20:19 -0500
From: "Parker Brooks"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Shock opinions

consider tokico shocks. best i've felt. no knowledge of kyb, bilstein.

parker

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jon Berman
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 6:10 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Shock opinions


>For my 1994 Ford F-150, 2wd...
>
>I need any opinions of KYB v. Bilstein v. Rancho v. Monroe shocks.
>Almost all my driving is on pavement, commuting to and from work through....

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