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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Informative web site
FTE 80-96 - Informative web site
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Key Lock
FTE 80-96 - Re: Dana Full Floater brakes
FTE 80-96 - E4OD TSB
Re: FTE 80-96 - dana full floater
FTE 80-96 - RE: Metric Tires
FTE 80-96 - just stuff
FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
Re: FTE 80-96 - just stuff
Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
FTE 80-96 - RE: Ranger hesitation-follow up
Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
Re: RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
Re(2): FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
Re: Re(2): FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
FTE 80-96 - Re: dana full floater
FTE 80-96 - Shock opinions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Shock opinions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wet Emergency Brake Spring
Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
FTE 80-96 - H*lp- transmission problem
FTE 80-96 - 4.9 muffler?
RE: FTE 80-96 - just stuff
Re: FTE 80-96 - H*lp- transmission problem

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 04:40:34 PDT
From: "David Goodwin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Informative web site

The latest issue of TechNews (Volume 4 Summer 1998) gives the address
for Carley Software Website. Check it out. Lotsa good stuff.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/carpix256/index.html

It certainly is not Ford specific, but then again, very few things in
the world are perfect.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 04:40:34 PDT
From: "David Goodwin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Informative web site

The latest issue of TechNews (Volume 4 Summer 1998) gives the address
for Carley Software Website. Check it out. Lotsa good stuff.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/carpix256/index.html

It certainly is not Ford specific, but then again, very few things in
the world are perfect.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:31:36 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Key Lock

Casey Vandor wrote:

> Ok, a list memeber told me how to change out the complete lock assembly, but
> to do so I need to pull the panels off the doors. All the little white
> press in clips are missing lots of teeth and don't hold real well. Ford
> cant find them in their ordering manuals and NAPA doesn't carry them, do you
> have a Ford Part Number I could show the dealer or where should I look for
> more of them?


Casey,
Would seem to me that you could find a good junkyard that has
the door still together. I don't know exactly what Ford would
charge you for them but they probably would rip you off at $1.00
a piece. Junkyard would give you all you wanted for a $1.00
Speaking of that, I need to go to a yard anyways(withdrawals,don't
ya know :-)). I'll look for you when I go this week/weekend. I know
a majority of the truck interiors will work, but what year is your
truck ? I want to know if I am looking for Pre or Post '90 model.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:17:05 PDT
From: "BRET LUTER"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dana Full Floater brakes

>Question on a 1985 Dana 61 full floating rear axle on an 85 f250...
>
>When servicing brakes or anything that requires drum/hub removal on a
full
>floater is it necessary to repack the wheel bearings with grease upon
Steve asks about his Full Floating rear:

>installation? Is the already 90W covered bearings enough lubrication
for
>reassembly?
>
>thanks in advance,
>Steve

**then this reply from Bob

>Brake removal/replacement will not expose rear wheel bearing assemblies
on
>rear axles.
>
>Bob
>

Now my 0.02 cents worth.

Bob, I think you're thinking of the lighter-duty rear axles on the
F-150's and such, the "full-floating" axles have bearings in each of the
rear hubs similar to the front of most vehicles. In order to get the
drums off, you have to pull the bearings out with the hub/drum assembly.

Steve, according to my manual (Ford), your are supposed to repack the
rear bearings anytime they're taken out using regular wheel bearing
grease. One of my Ford factory trained mechanic friends said that it's
OK just to re-coat them with gear oil. I think you'd be OK to just
re-coat with gear oil UNLESS you're installing new bearings.

Hope this helps, now back to the 300 I-6 hot rodding ;P

Bret.
'85 F-350 Crew Cab 6.9l Diesel


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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:35:05 -0700
From: Jim Perkins
Subject: FTE 80-96 - E4OD TSB

Does anyone out there have a copy of TSB 97-12-13 from June 1997? Someone
posted previously about a TSB on a computer change that cured a failure to
hold in low gear which is a problem I am currently experiencing. I took my
truck to the dealer but they of course denied being able to find anything
and wanted to prospect around in my gear box.

I reviewed the list at Alldata and I think this is the right TSB but I
don't have easy access to a full copy of the bulletin. If anyone has one
they could send me I would sure appreciate it.

Thanks.

Jim Perkins
'91 F-150
Spokane, WA

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:31:26 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - dana full floater

>From: STHIBODE spf.fairchildsemi.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - dana full floater
>
>Question on a 1985 Dana 61 full floating rear axle
>
>When servicing brakes or anything that requires
>drum/hub removal on a full floater is it necessary to
>repack the wheel bearings with grease upon
>installation? Is the already 90W covered bearings
>enough lubrication for reassembly?

Yo Steve:

Yes. The recommended procedure is to re-pack both the inner and outer
wheel bearings w/ suitable wheel bearing grease. This is true for all Dana
60 full-floating axles.

In normal service, the gear oil from the differential runs down the axle
tubes to lubricate the wheel bearings in a full-floating axle. However, if
the bearings are removed from the spindle after the axle shaft is removed
(which will often allow a couple pints of the gear oil to leak out) the
bearings get no gear oil and will run dry for a while. The residual gear
oil is not sufficient lubrication. The grease acts as a temporary
lubricant until the gear oil has returned to the ends of the axle from
normal driving.

The semi-floating axles on lighter duty trucks (F150 & Bronco) and the
newer Ford corporate 10.25" full-floating axle (first used in 1986) allow
rear drums to be removed w/out removing the axle shaft or hub. Even so, if
you do remove the axle shaft and hub from a Ford 10.25" full-floating axle
(for some reason), the same wheel bearing lubrication procedure should be
followed there too.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:43:45 -0700
From: Steve Faust
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Metric Tires

> Dave R. wrote:
> Couple of minor points on metric tire sizes...

OOPS! I knew that... guess I need to read what I type before I send it.
Thanks for the correction Dave!!

Steve Faust
'88 F-250 (7.3 4x4 Supercab)

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Date: 17 Jun 98 11:55:05 -0500
From: "Todd Johnston"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - just stuff

Hi everyone
I was wandering if someone could help me with a couple of questions.
I have an 88 bronco with 3.55 gears and a limited slip. I would like to upgrade
to a 33 or 35 inch tire. Will i need to change my gear size.
Also i am looking at installing a six inch lift. Does anyone know some good
prices for a complete system (just the parts not labour).
Any help that you could offer would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Todd Johnston
Big Bronco Bustin
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:26:45 EDT
From: Croth2 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

I'm contemplating the purchase of a K&N Performance kit for my 89 F-150 4x4
5.0. They are $163.50 from Summit racing or $180.70 from Performance
Products. I could use the extra power, but I'm not sure if this will affect
my mileage. I get 17mpg and I cant afford to get less. Can anybody who has
a performance kit tell me if it affected their gas mileage? Also, anybody
know of a cheaper place to buy one of these? Thanks --->Tim
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:46:28 -0700
From: bpatten psfmech.com (Bill C. Patten)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - just stuff

Todd writes:
>Hi everyone
> I was wandering if someone could help me with a couple of
>questions.

I too, have a couple of questions . I just joined to see if you guys can
help me out. As a f-150 owner who uses his truck to pull a trailer, I have
a habit of looking around to see what everyone else is pulling trailers
with (here in the Pacific Northwest, its primarily F-250's or Dodge Rams).
I noticed on several occasions a "Ford Suburban" or an F series Classic as
badged. My questions are;
Is this an aftermarket vehicle or a Ford product.?
Is it Canadian, because I haven't seen them advertised since the sixties?
If Ford makes them, why don't they advertise them?
The last one I saw was an F-350 Classic in the '93 (?) body style. I think
this should be the monster SUV of America, not that GM thing.

Thanks in advance,
Bill Patten

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:50:09 -0700
From: bpatten psfmech.com (Bill C. Patten)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

Tim writes:
> I get 17mpg and I cant afford to get less.

You're getting 17 mpg with a 4X4? How many miles on your engine? My 5
litre gets 10-12 with 152K miles and I'm happy with that! I'm new on this
list, am I getting crappy mileage?
Bill Patten

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:10:04 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

Bill C. Patten wrote:

> Tim writes:
> > I get 17mpg and I cant afford to get less.
>
> You're getting 17 mpg with a 4X4? How many miles on your engine? My 5
> litre gets 10-12 with 152K miles and I'm happy with that! I'm new on this
> list, am I getting crappy mileage?

I don't think so, since I am seeing about 11mpg. Although,
I have to re-adjust my carburetor. On the Late model
bronco club you are right in there. :-)

Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:11:33 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

Tim,

I purchased one, for my '95 F-150, 5.8L, and it cost 215 bucks
at Aerosuds here in CO. If you can get it for under 200 bucks
after shipping and handling I would buy it. I also put on a dual
cat-back exhaust so it would not be the same comparison.

I have not had a chance to calculate my mileage but I am spending
10 dollars less per month on my gas charge card. I would say it is
barely worth purchasing to save money. The hard part is keeping
your foot off the gas pedal so you can judge efficiency. My guess
would be about 12 mpg vs. 10 mpg with my foot into it at all times.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Croth2 aol.com [SMTP:Croth2 aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 10:27 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
>
> I'm contemplating the purchase of a K&N Performance kit for my 89
> F-150 4x4
> 5.0. They are $163.50 from Summit racing or $180.70 from Performance
> Products. I could use the extra power, but I'm not sure if this will
> affect
> my mileage. I get 17mpg and I cant afford to get less. Can anybody
> who has
> a performance kit tell me if it affected their gas mileage? Also,
> anybody
> know of a cheaper place to buy one of these? Thanks --->Tim
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:19:51 -0600
From: Dave Mcdonald
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

Bill C. Patten wrote:

> Tim writes:
> > I get 17mpg and I cant afford to get less.
>
> You're getting 17 mpg with a 4X4? How many miles on your engine? My 5
> litre gets 10-12 with 152K miles and I'm happy with that! I'm new on this
> list, am I getting crappy mileage?
> Bill Patten
>

I was kinda wondering the same thing. My '90 F250HD 351 5spd 4x4 used to get
11 MPG highway. It's got 75K miles on it. I installed a K&N cone, MSD 6A and
Gibson cat back ($800 damage) and got the mileage up to 14. Mebbe the 17 he's
getting is in Kansas or somethin, where hills are unknown? :)

BTW to the original poster.... A K&N filter won't hurt yer mileage. Don't
expect it to make a huge difference at all, 'cept mebbe sound. That sucking
sound is kewl tho :) They claim big hp imporvments... I don't believe it, and
I didn't see it when I put one on. They are nice in that you never have to
buy another filter tho.

Dave McDonald

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:37:33 -0600
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

I replaced my stock air filter with the K&N cone (and Borla cat-back and
Mobil 1). I noticed a slight increase in fuel economy, but it's true
that you aren't going to see as huge of an improvement as they would
like you to believe. But, I think the K&N air filter, beside only
needing occasional cleaning to last a very long time, probably does an
overall better job of filtering the air than a typical paper filter.
Due to the fact that the oil attracts the dust and small particles well
without choking the engine silly, which can only increase engine life.
Anyone remember the old oil bath air filters from years ago?

Dave
Denver, CO

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Mcdonald [SMTP:dxmcdon uswest.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 11:20 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
>
>
>
> Bill C. Patten wrote:
>
> > Tim writes:
> > > I get 17mpg and I cant afford to get less.
> >
> > You're getting 17 mpg with a 4X4? How many miles on your engine? My
> 5
> > litre gets 10-12 with 152K miles and I'm happy with that! I'm new on
> this
> > list, am I getting crappy mileage?
> > Bill Patten
> >
>
> I was kinda wondering the same thing. My '90 F250HD 351 5spd 4x4 used
> to get
> 11 MPG highway. It's got 75K miles on it. I installed a K&N cone, MSD
> 6A and
> Gibson cat back ($800 damage) and got the mileage up to 14. Mebbe the
> 17 he's
> getting is in Kansas or somethin, where hills are unknown? :)
>
> BTW to the original poster.... A K&N filter won't hurt yer mileage.
> Don't
> expect it to make a huge difference at all, 'cept mebbe sound. That
> sucking
> sound is kewl tho :) They claim big hp imporvments... I don't believe
> it, and
> I didn't see it when I put one on. They are nice in that you never
> have to
> buy another filter tho.
>
> Dave McDonald
>
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:45:33 -0500
From: David Anderson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Ranger hesitation-follow up

Craig Butler wrote;

"....I may need to replace the "Throttle Position Sensor" I need some
more advice. Is this something I can do myself, or is it a dealer only
item? Where it this sensor located. What does it look like,etc......."

Rick Wojo wrote in response;

"The throttle position sensor is on the side of the throttle body, it's
a
little black box with a 3 contact connector on it. One is ground(the
middle one)
and the outer two pins are full throttle and idle contacts. ........"

Guys, this is not way I understand Ford TPS's at all. The TPS is a 3
contact device. Inside it is not a switch or pair of switches. It is a
potentiometer (a variable resister like a volume control). One end
contact goes to ground, the other end to VRef (5V). The middle contact
is the input to the computer. It does not have distinct wide open and
idle positions, it is continuously variable over the full throttle
range. This way the computer can tell where the throttle is, how much
it changes and how fast it is changing. To test it begin by checking
for 5V and ground on the end contacts of the cable plug. Then turn off
the key and measure the resistance between the two end contacts (of TPS)
and compare to the spec in the manual. Mine measures 4K ohms ('90 F150,
4.9L). Then measure resistance from the middle contact to either end
while slowly moving the throttle open from idle position. It must
SMOOTHLY change resistance. No sharp needle swings to 0 ohms or
infinite ohms. Check for smooth changes off idle and around idle. This
is where all the wear is. If all tests OK the unit is probably fine.
As others have said, these things don't often fail and when they do the
engine usually has a characteristic idle speed instability.

This may not get you to your problem, but at least you can
prove/disprove the TPS.

David


















Only the idle contacts
are used on sticks, automatics use idle and full throttle contacts.
There are
two screws on the switch so you can adjust it, they rarely go bad. With
an
ohmmeter, rotate the switch until the idle contact is closed with the
throttle
closed. It should open when you just barely push the gas pedal, telling
the
computer that the engine isn't idling anymore. You can't adjust the full
throttle
contacts separately, so you're stuck with however they work if you have
an
automatic. If your car lurches a little while coasting in gear towards a
red light,
it may be that the TPS is not quite right and the computer is switching
from
idle to running. This can make your car lurch a little because the fuel
is shut
off when you are coasting in gear to save gas. The switch is opening and
closing,
turning the fuel on and off. To replace the switch, simply remove the
two screws,
unplug it, and replace it with the new one.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:00:27 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

I get 17mpg and I cant afford to get less.

You're getting 17 mpg with a 4X4? How many miles on your engine? My 5
litre gets 10-12 with 152K miles and I'm happy with that! I'm new on
this list, am I getting crappy mileage?


I was kinda wondering the same thing. My '90 F250HD 351 5spd 4x4 used to
get11 MPG highway. It's got 75K miles on it. I installed a K&N cone, MSD
6A and Gibson cat back ($800 damage) and got the mileage up to 14. Mebbe
the 17 he's getting is in Kansas or somethin, where hills are unknown?

I get 14 in my 94 Lightning(70K) and my uncle has a 95 F150(125,000) 4X4
that get 17 a gallon(Texas)! I cant see how anyone should be getting
less mileage than my truck. When was your last tune-up?
Chris
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:04:36 -0700
From: bpatten psfmech.com (Bill C. Patten)
Subject: Re: RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

Dave writes:
>Due to the fact that the oil attracts the dust and small particles well
>without choking the engine silly, which can only increase engine life.
>Anyone remember the old oil bath air filters from years ago?

Funny you should mention that! I showed one of the earlier posts to a guy
here at work. He is looking at K7N's website right now to see if they make
a replacement for his '76 F-100's Oil bath.
Bill P

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:24:22 -0700
From: bpatten psfmech.com (Bill C. Patten)
Subject: Re(2): FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

Chris writes:
> I cant see how anyone should be getting
>less mileage than my truck. When was your last tune-up?

Well, awhile ago, but I never have done better than about 12. I live in
Seattle, so there are some good size hills here. Kick downs are routine.
Also, that engine is a new design, isn't it? I think I want one!

Bill P

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:06:04 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: Re(2): FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

Bill C. Patten wrote:
>
> Chris writes:
> > I cant see how anyone should be getting
> >less mileage than my truck. When was your last tune-up?
>
> Well, awhile ago, but I never have done better than about 12. I live in
> Seattle, so there are some good size hills here. Kick downs are routine.
> Also, that engine is a new design, isn't it? I think I want one!

Not really its batch fire and speed density instead of sequential and
mass air! I have heard 17 to 20 mpg with the Lightnings when switched
over to masss air and sequential fuel injection!
Chris
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:55:41 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: dana full floater

Only thing I would do is take some of that black really sticky gooye stuff
(high tech wording there... I don't remember what it is called), and put
some on the flange at the end of the axle. On my old dodge, after pulling
the axles to get the drums off, the axles started leaking out there, and so
we pulled them out and gooped that "stuff" on there and it stopped the
leak. Next time you take them out, they need a little bit of prying, but it
will break loose. Don't know what the stuff is called, but the shop teacher
I had said he had used it before and so we tried it on the leaking
axles.....

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:57:30 -0700
From: Jon Berman
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Shock opinions

For my 1994 Ford F-150, 2wd...

I need any opinions of KYB v. Bilstein v. Rancho v. Monroe shocks.
Almost all my driving is on pavement, commuting to and from work through
the hills. I rarely haul much anything heavy in the bed. Looking for
handling #1 with ride quality a close #2.

Thank you,
Jon
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:19:50 -0700
From: bpatten psfmech.com (Bill C. Patten)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Shock opinions

Jon writes:
>Looking for
>handling #1 with ride quality a close #2.

you might consider stock shocks with urethane bushings and thicker sway
bars. Ranch makes a kit, I think.

Bill P

P.S. Have you ever seen a late model F series classic?

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:39:12 -0400
From: msalvetti sprynet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wet Emergency Brake Spring

Scott wrote:

>Has anyone else noticed, that after a particularly damp night,
>when you release the emergency brake you sometimes get
>sprayed with a small amount of water.

>Could it be condensation on the spring or a leak. I am concerned
>it could corrode the emergency brake mechanism inside the cab.

Scott, I notice this too, but I'm pretty sure it's when my own foot was
wet, so I got the pedal wet when I set the brake.

While we're on e-brakes, I've had to replace the left rear parking brake
cable on my truck 3 times in the last 4 years. I've used NAPA and Wagner
parts, and they both just don't last.

I have a 1986 F-150, 5.0L, manual transmission, 2WD, with the long bed (133
inch wheelbase). Sure we use salt here in Boston, but the other cables are
fine. Is this common?

Thanks!

Mark Salvetti

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:31:52 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

Forwarded for: Dave Mcdonald

Garr&Pam wrote:

> I get 14 in my 94 Lightning(70K) and my uncle has a 95 F150(125,000) 4X4
> that get 17 a gallon(Texas)! I cant see how anyone should be getting
> less mileage than my truck. When was your last tune-up?
> Chris


My last tune up was about 1000 miles ago. New plugs, wires, cap, rotor,
filters (gas and air) and a new O2 sensor. The mileage difference between V8
engines in similar trucks is next to nuthin. Goin down to the 6 cyl will buy
you 2 or 3 MPG, from what I've seen on various lists. Your Lightning prolly
gets about the same mileage as any other truck, unless yer foot's on the
floor all the time usin all that power :)
My biggest regret when I ordered my truck was goin with the 351... I shudda
ordered the 460 :( BTW, my daily commute is the Mt Vernon Canyon stretch of
I-70 just west of Denver. It's a nasty big hill, so my mileage reflects
having to do that climb. No such climbs in Texas, from what I've seen :)


Dave McDonald


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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:48:54 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - H*lp- transmission problem

Forwarded for: Patti Smith

Can anyone help me? My husband's truck is Ford F-150
1988 300ci with hydraulic clutch , transmission went out
it is a manual 4 sp. w/od (Mazda) . We cannot find one
within of 50 miles so far.(will keep looking). We want used
if possible not rebuilt.What other years can we look for?
Can we look for a 88 Mazda? Is there another tranny that
can replace this w/o a whole lot of changing. ?

Thank you for any help you may give us.
Pat Smith pjsmith misslink.net
Galesburg,Il

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:55:41 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 4.9 muffler?

I have a1984 4.9 with a 4 barrel and a header, and small cam, and a
ported head!
What is a good muffler to run with these upgrades that doesnt sound
funny,
or make alot of noise. I am using a singel outlet header! I also like
the round
type, like was on it.
Thanks Gene

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:45:59 -0600
From: "Brian Soderblom"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - just stuff

It's a conversion made by a company called Centurion (I think.) It's
essentially an F-350 with a bronco back end. Not a Ford product,
direct-from-factory.

Brian

> I noticed on several occasions a "Ford Suburban" or an F
> series Classic as
> badged. My questions are;
> Is this an aftermarket vehicle or a Ford product.?
> Is it Canadian, because I haven't seen them advertised
> since the sixties?
> If Ford makes them, why don't they advertise them?
> The last one I saw was an F-350 Classic in the '93 (?) body
> style. I think
> this should be the monster SUV of America, not that GM thing.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill Patten

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