80-96-list-digest Thursday, June 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 217



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Informative web site
> FTE 80-96 - Informative web site
> Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Key Lock
FTE 80-96 - Re: Dana Full Floater brakes
> FTE 80-96 - E4OD TSB
Re: FTE 80-96 - dana full floater
FTE 80-96 - RE: Metric Tires
> FTE 80-96 - just stuff
FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
Re: FTE 80-96 - just stuff
Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
FTE 80-96 - RE: Ranger hesitation-follow up
Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
Re: RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
Re(2): FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
Re: Re(2): FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
FTE 80-96 - Re: dana full floater
FTE 80-96 - Shock opinions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Shock opinions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wet Emergency Brake Spring
Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
FTE 80-96 - H*lp- transmission problem
FTE 80-96 - 4.9 muffler?
RE: FTE 80-96 - just stuff
Re: FTE 80-96 - H*lp- transmission problem

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 04:40:34 PDT
From: "David Goodwin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Informative web site
>
The latest issue of TechNews (Volume 4 Summer 1998) gives the address
for Carley Software Website. Check it out. Lotsa good stuff.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/carpix256/index.html

It certainly is not Ford specific, but then again, very few things in
the world are perfect.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 04:40:34 PDT
From: "David Goodwin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Informative web site
>
The latest issue of TechNews (Volume 4 Summer 1998) gives the address
for Carley Software Website. Check it out. Lotsa good stuff.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/carpix256/index.html

It certainly is not Ford specific, but then again, very few things in
the world are perfect.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:31:36 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Key Lock

Casey Vandor wrote:

> Ok, a list memeber told me how to change out the complete lock assembly, but
> to do so I need to pull the panels off the doors. All the little white
> press in clips are missing lots of teeth and don't hold real well. Ford
> cant find them in their ordering manuals and NAPA doesn't carry them, do you
> have a Ford Part Number I could show the dealer or where should I look for
> more of them?


Casey,
Would seem to me that you could find a good junkyard that has
the door still together. I don't know exactly what Ford would
charge you for them but they probably would rip you off at $1.00
a piece. Junkyard would give you all you wanted for a $1.00
Speaking of that, I need to go to a yard anyways(withdrawals,don't
ya know :-)). I'll look for you when I go this week/weekend. I know
a majority of the truck interiors will work, but what year is your
truck ? I want to know if I am looking for Pre or Post '90 model.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:17:05 PDT
From: "BRET LUTER"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dana Full Floater brakes
>
>Question on a 1985 Dana 61 full floating rear axle on an 85 f250...
>
>When servicing brakes or anything that requires drum/hub removal on a
full
>floater is it necessary to repack the wheel bearings with grease upon
Steve asks about his Full Floating rear:

>installation? Is the already 90W covered bearings enough lubrication
for
>reassembly?
>
>thanks in advance,
>Steve

**then this reply from Bob

> Brake removal/replacement will not expose rear wheel bearing assemblies
on
>rear axles.
>
>Bob
>

Now my 0.02 cents worth.

Bob, I think you're thinking of the lighter-duty rear axles on the
F-150's and such, the "full-floating" axles have bearings in each of the
rear hubs similar to the front of most vehicles. In order to get the
drums off, you have to pull the bearings out with the hub/drum assembly.

Steve, according to my manual (Ford), your are supposed to repack the
rear bearings anytime they're taken out using regular wheel bearing
grease. One of my Ford factory trained mechanic friends said that it's
OK just to re-coat them with gear oil. I think you'd be OK to just
re-coat with gear oil UNLESS you're installing new bearings.

Hope this helps, now back to the 300 I-6 hot rodding ;P

Bret.
'85 F-350 Crew Cab 6.9l Diesel
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:35:05 -0700
From: Jim Perkins
Subject: FTE 80-96 - E4OD TSB

Does anyone out there have a copy of TSB 97-12-13 from June 1997? Someone
posted previously about a TSB on a computer change that cured a failure to
hold in low gear which is a problem I am currently experiencing. I took my
truck to the dealer but they of course denied being able to find anything
and wanted to prospect around in my gear box.

I reviewed the list at Alldata and I think this is the right TSB but I
don't have easy access to a full copy of the bulletin. If anyone has one
they could send me I would sure appreciate it.

Thanks.

Jim Perkins
'91 F-150
Spokane, WA

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:31:26 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - dana full floater

>From: STHIBODE spf.fairchildsemi.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - dana full floater
>
>Question on a 1985 Dana 61 full floating rear axle
>
>When servicing brakes or anything that requires
>drum/hub removal on a full floater is it necessary to
>repack the wheel bearings with grease upon
>installation? Is the already 90W covered bearings
>enough lubrication for reassembly?

Yo Steve:

Yes. The recommended procedure is to re-pack both the inner and outer
wheel bearings w/ suitable wheel bearing grease. This is true for all Dana
60 full-floating axles.

In normal service, the gear oil from the differential runs down the axle
tubes to lubricate the wheel bearings in a full-floating axle. However, if
the bearings are removed from the spindle after the axle shaft is removed
(which will often allow a couple pints of the gear oil to leak out) the
bearings get no gear oil and will run dry for a while. The residual gear
oil is not sufficient lubrication. The grease acts as a temporary
lubricant until the gear oil has returned to the ends of the axle from
normal driving.

The semi-floating axles on lighter duty trucks (F150 & Bronco) and the
newer Ford corporate 10.25" full-floating axle (first used in 1986) allow
rear drums to be removed w/out removing the axle shaft or hub. Even so, if
you do remove the axle shaft and hub from a Ford 10.25" full-floating axle
(for some reason), the same wheel bearing lubrication procedure should be
followed there too.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:43:45 -0700
From: Steve Faust
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Metric Tires
>
> Dave R. wrote:
> Couple of minor points on metric tire sizes...

OOPS! I knew that... guess I need to read what I type before I send it.
Thanks for the correction Dave!!

Steve Faust
'88 F-250 (7.3 4x4 Supercab)

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Date: 17 Jun 98 11:55:05 -0500
From: "Todd Johnston"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - just stuff

Hi everyone
I was wandering if someone could help me with a couple of questions.
I have an 88 bronco with 3.55 gears and a limited slip. I would like to upgrade
to a 33 or 35 inch tire. Will i need to change my gear size.
Also i am looking at installing a six inch lift. Does anyone know some good
prices for a complete system (just the parts not labour).
Any help that you could offer would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Todd Johnston
Big Bronco Bustin
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:26:45 EDT
From: Croth2 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

I'm contemplating the purchase of a K&N Performance kit for my 89 F-150 4x4
5.0. They are $163.50 from Summit racing or $180.70 from Performance
Products. I could use the extra power, but I'm not sure if this will affect
my mileage. I get 17mpg and I cant afford to get less. Can anybody who has
a performance kit tell me if it affected their gas mileage? Also, anybody
know of a cheaper place to buy one of these? Thanks --->Tim
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:46:28 -0700
From: bpatten psfmech.com (Bill C. Patten)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - just stuff

Todd writes:
>Hi everyone
> I was wandering if someone could help me with a couple of
>questions.

I too, have a couple of questions . I just joined to see if you guys can
help me out. As a f-150 owner who uses his truck to pull a trailer, I have
a habit of looking around to see what everyone else is pulling trailers
with (here in the Pacific Northwest, its primarily F-250's or Dodge Rams).
I noticed on several occasions a "Ford Suburban" or an F series Classic as
badged. My questions are;
Is this an aftermarket vehicle or a Ford product.?
Is it Canadian, because I haven't seen them advertised since the sixties?
If Ford makes them, why don't they advertise them?
The last one I saw was an F-350 Classic in the '93 (?) body style. I think
this should be the monster SUV of America, not that GM thing.

Thanks in advance,
Bill Patten

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:50:09 -0700
From: bpatten psfmech.com (Bill C. Patten)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

Tim writes:
> I get 17mpg and I cant afford to get less.

You're getting 17 mpg with a 4X4? How many miles on your engine? My 5
litre gets 10-12 with 152K miles and I'm happy with that! I'm new on this
list, am I getting crappy mileage?
Bill Patten

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:10:04 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

Bill C. Patten wrote:

> Tim writes:
> > I get 17mpg and I cant afford to get less.
>
> You're getting 17 mpg with a 4X4? How many miles on your engine? My 5
> litre gets 10-12 with 152K miles and I'm happy with that! I'm new on this
> list, am I getting crappy mileage?

I don't think so, since I am seeing about 11mpg. Although,
I have to re-adjust my carburetor. On the Late model
bronco club you are right in there. :-)

Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:11:33 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit

Tim,

I purchased one, for my '95 F-150, 5.8L, and it cost 215 bucks
at Aerosuds here in CO. If you can get it for under 200 bucks
after shipping and handling I would buy it. I also put on a dual
cat-back exhaust so it would not be the same comparison.

I have not had a chance to calculate my mileage but I am spending
10 dollars less per month on my gas charge card. I would say it is
barely worth purchasing to save money. The hard part is keeping
your foot off the gas pedal so you can judge efficiency. My guess
would be about 12 mpg vs. 10 mpg with my foot into it at all times.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Croth2 aol.com [SMTP:Croth2 aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 10:27 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - K&N Performance Kit
>
> I'm contemplating the purchase of a K&N Performance kit for my 89
> F-150 4x4
> 5.0. They are $163.50 from Summit racing or $180.70 from Performance
> Products. I could use the extra power, but I'm not sure if this will
> affect
> my mileage. I get 17mpg and I cant afford to get less. Can anybody
> who has
> a performance kit tell me if it affected their gas mileage? Also,
> anybody
> know of a cheaper place to buy one of these? Thanks --->Tim
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