80-96-list-digest Tuesday, June 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 206



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford 8.8 rear end
[none]
FTE 80-96 - No fire
Re: FTE 80-96 - No fire
FTE 80-96 - Liquid Tape
FTE 80-96 - FTE in V8 Times Magazine
RE: FTE 80-96 - No fire
FTE 80-96 - RE: Backfire Problem
FTE 80-96 - 7.3 Diesel Enhancement
FTE 80-96 - Helms manuals and other books...
FTE 80-96 - A/C Woes
FTE 80-96 - 85 F-350 questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
Re: FTE 80-96 - Liquid Tape
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Backfire Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Performance Truck List
Re: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure
FTE 80-96 - 2.9L cracked heads
Re: FTE 80-96 - 85 F-350 questions

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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:13:13 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

My '97 250HD 4x4 doesn't have a straight front axle. The new SuperDuty 4x4's, do
though.

Ryan Dorman wrote:
>
>
> I said logical not changeing the subject or avoiding thinking of an answer (after this
> reply I lost hope for an explanation involving thought), when your done twidling your
> thumbs explain why theheavy duty f-250 & f-350 still have straight axle front ends.
> The 97 F-150 in my driveway just spent 4 months in 4wd (8200 foot mountain pass in
> between home and work, 4wd is still required to get to 2 of our job sites) and it
> gets to haul gravel, topsoil large fur bearing mamals and runs the occasional trail.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:57:43 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford 8.8 rear end

Robert Kennedy wrote:

> I have a question. What's the biggest tire any list member is running on a
> Ford 8.8" rear end? The Full-size Ford Bronco web site doesn't think
> favorably about this rear end. It hasn't given me any problems at all with
> 3.54 gears and 31 X 11.50 Wranglers. I'm thinking about a locker, maybe a
> gear change and a size or two bigger tire. Ford 9" rear ends are spendy out
> here in the great Northwest...

Bob,
I have 33x12.5x15 Mudblasters. I take my bronco offroad in
some pretty hairy spots and have not have a problem with the 8.8

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:59:37 -0500
From: m-sands juno.com (mike sands)
Subject: [none]

Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:45:48 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - "I6 pulling advice"

All I can say is I'm glad I'm not in your shoes, good luck and I bet that
extra 2000 for the 302 or 2300 for the 351 wont seem like anywhere near
as
much after your trip.

mike sands wrote:

> I'm getting ready to pull a 20' cargo trailer on a 1000 mile trip with
a
> 92 F-150 equipped with a 300 I-6 and E40D automatic. Any advice would
be
> greatly appreciated.

Thanks for the excellent advice

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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:50:46 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - No fire

> Rick said :
>
> From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hello Again
> I do have a question for a friend. He has a F-150 with a 302.
> He is not getting any fire. What he has replaced is the ignition
> module and the stator in the distributor. Is there anything else he
> can check. The coil rarely goes out, but this may be a rare occasion.
> Any thing else to check/replace besides the coil. Thanx guys.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick Wojo
>
> Walt's $.O2 :
> Rick, you forgot to mention what year rig your friend had. Does it have a
> TFI ignition? (No vacuum hoses to distributor and a flat plastic box with
> lotsa wires coming out of it where the vacuum advance used to be.?). If
> so., since you've already replaced the module (the one in the distributor
> ?, the hall effect sensor?) then consider replacing the TFI. It's simple.
> But first : The diagnostics manual goes through a simple process (all you
> need is a voltmeter - analog is fine) to diagnose if the Thick Film
> Ignition (TFI) is bad. Mine went bad twice. The rig just turned itself
> off and would not start. No spark. If it is your TFI and you replace it,
> be sure to coat the back of the unit(the side that mounts to the
> distributor.) with all the goop they give you with the part. This helps
> insulate it from the heat transfer of the distributor and will make it
> last much longer. The dealer replaced it the first time, I did the second
> time. Walt
> P.S. Your right, the coil hardly ever goes that bad that fast unless
> there's a busted wire somewhere.
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:37:25 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - No fire

Posluszny, Walt (posl) wrote:

> > Rick said :
> > I do have a question for a friend. He has a F-150 with a 302.
> > He is not getting any fire. What he has replaced is the ignition
> > module and the stator in the distributor. Is there anything else he
> > can check. The coil rarely goes out, but this may be a rare occasion.
> > Any thing else to check/replace besides the coil. Thanx guys.

Sorry, its an '86


> > Walt's $.O2 :
> > Rick, you forgot to mention what year rig your friend had. Does it have a
> > TFI ignition? (No vacuum hoses to distributor and a flat plastic box with
> > lotsa wires coming out of it where the vacuum advance used to be.?). If
> > so., since you've already replaced the module (the one in the distributor
> > ?, the hall effect sensor?) then consider replacing the TFI. It's simple.
> > But first : The diagnostics manual goes through a simple process (all you
> > need is a voltmeter - analog is fine) to diagnose if the Thick Film
> > Ignition (TFI) is bad. Mine went bad twice. The rig just turned itself
> > off and would not start. No spark. If it is your TFI and you replace it,
> > be sure to coat the back of the unit(the side that mounts to the
> > distributor.) with all the goop they give you with the part. This helps
> > insulate it from the heat transfer of the distributor and will make it
> > last much longer. The dealer replaced it the first time, I did the second
> > time. Walt
> > P.S. Your right, the coil hardly ever goes that bad that fast unless
> > there's a busted wire somewhere.
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I'll give this information to him.
Thanks Walt

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:59:34 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Liquid Tape

Hey guys,
I am curious about something. I was looking through
one of my tool magazines a couple of weeks ago and
came across some stuff called liquid tape. It is supposed
to take the place of electrical tape when connecting or
splicing wires. Has anyone here used it ? Comments
on its performance ?



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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:22:16 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FTE in V8 Times Magazine

Woops! Typo the first time out!

V8 Times did a 1/2 page write up about Ford Truck Enthusiasts
in their May/June issue! Anyone interested can order a copy from:

Linda McDonald
V8 Times
1752 Darwin Ave.
Livermore, CA 94550 or they can be ordered via FAX and credit card numbers
from her at (925) 447-2920

Later,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com



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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:30:00 -0400
From: "Lyter, Bob (Concert)"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - No fire

Need advice please!

I have a 93' F-150 Flare Side w/5.0 EFI (86,000 Miles). I had a problem
with my automatic transmission (Electronic Overdrive). While driving on
highway or city it would be going fine and then seemed to shutter and clank
into gear. Normally on a bit of an incline but not always. Anyhow went to a
transmission shop and they said it was an inherent problem with this
particular tranny. Was told it would be around $600 to rebuild it or $100
service job may cure it temporarily. Had it serviced and it was fine for
about 6 mos. I am now starting to see this problem occur again. I would like
to know if anyone else has already been thru this and what the solution
might be.

Thanks in advance,
Bob Lyter
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From: Posluszny, Walt (posl)
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE 80-96 - No fire
Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 11:50AM

> Rick said :
>
> From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hello Again
> I do have a question for a friend. He has a F-150 with a 302.
> He is not getting any fire. What he has replaced is the ignition
> module and the stator in the distributor. Is there anything else he
> can check. The coil rarely goes out, but this may be a rare occasion.
> Any thing else to check/replace besides the coil. Thanx guys.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick Wojo
>
> Walt's $.O2 :
> Rick, you forgot to mention what year rig your friend had. Does it have a
> TFI ignition? (No vacuum hoses to distributor and a flat plastic box with
> lotsa wires coming out of it where the vacuum advance used to be.?). If
> so., since you've already replaced the module (the one in the distributor
> ?, the hall effect sensor?) then consider replacing the TFI. It's simple.
> But first : The diagnostics manual goes through a simple process (all you
> need is a voltmeter - analog is fine) to diagnose if the Thick Film
> Ignition (TFI) is bad. Mine went bad twice. The rig just turned itself
> off and would not start. No spark. If it is your TFI and you replace it,
> be sure to coat the back of the unit(the side that mounts to the
> distributor.) with all the goop they give you with the part. This helps
> insulate it from the heat transfer of the distributor and will make it
> last much longer. The dealer replaced it the first time, I did the second
> time. Walt
> P.S. Your right, the coil hardly ever goes that bad that fast unless
> there's a busted wire somewhere.
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:06:13 -0700
From: "Bowman, John A"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Backfire Problem

Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:24:05 EDT
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Backfire Problem

In a message dated 6/5/98 12:12:31 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
jbowman mtt.ca
writes:

> still need advice on my backfire problem. I have an 83 F100 302
> automatic with 56,000 miles. When I accelerate hard and back off
quickly
> I get a large backfire out of the exhaust. The truck is bone stock
and
> runs great. I removed the catalytic converter so it only has the
single
> muffler on it. My local Ford dealer says I should change the
> anti-backfire valve ( $50 job). The air pump still works OK.
>
> Has anyone out there any thoughts?
>
My guess is that the air pump is the problem. With no catalytic
converter
you
shouldn't need it. You might be running a little rich and the air pump
feeds
air into the exaust to burn the excess and BOOM. Take the belt off and
try
it
see. As far as the "anti-backfire" valve, I haven't a clue what it is?
D Baken

J. Bowman writes:

The "anti-backfire valve" is what the Ford Dealer refers to the small
valve in the line that runs from the air pump to the exhaust manifold. I
am not sure how the air pump works or what effect the absense of the
catalytic converter has on the problem? I am looking for some answers.

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*************************************
J.A. Bowman,P.Eng.
'83 F100 - "Big Red"
email: jbowman MTT.CA
************************************


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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:28:03 -0700
From: Steve Faust
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 7.3 Diesel Enhancement

Looking for some input from anyone who has experience enhancing the 7.3
ltr. Diesel. I have an '88 F-250 4x4 Supercab long-bed with 108,000
miles and am trying to determine if it would be worth the $ exploring an
after market turbo unit or other minor modifications that might given me
bit more performance (also any recommendations for mpg improvements
would be appreciated).

No, "Why a Diesel when you could have had a 460" flames please... just a
little joke guys ;-)

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

Steve Faust
- '88 F-250
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 20:00:43 -0400
From: "THE PAVIES'"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Helms manuals and other books...

*Randy- Saw your note from last Friday about finding Helms manuals.
*There is another possible source as I picked up a manula for my 90 E150
*here: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Vintage-Books.com .
*Good luck. Jack P.
*
* 76 F250 360 C6
* 90 E150 300 C6 (just turned 199,000 last Friday)
* 95 F350 7.3L Powerstroke 4wd Crewcab
* and 67 VW Bug
* 61 VW Singlecab Bus (in pieces!)
*
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:10:45 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - A/C Woes

Hi Guys,
My A/c worked one day and then crapped out the next. Is there any relay
that could have gone out ? There is still pressure in the system, but it just
blows hot air. Also, where could I get the adapter for the low side? my
local parts store dosen't have it.

Thanks,

Joe Downey
acmercg aol.com
'92 F-150 NITE 5.0 AOD
http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1992_f150_nite.html
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:07:48 -0400
From: Mark Taynton
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 85 F-350 questions

Been on the list awhile, but this is my first attempt at getting my
questions answered.
On occasion I pull a 35' 5th wheel and need the 460-C6-410, but most of
the time I get tired of pulling the gas pump instead (6.33mpg w/trailer,
8.5mpg empty). Someone suggested the over drive transmission instead of
a after market tail piece type OD. Any suggestions on results or
reliability? I have installed the Edelbrock 750 carb with good results,
next should be the performer manifold and cam? Did this with a 81 grand
wagoneer and the results were great, extra power better fuel mileage.
Now what about installing power windows and door locks from a wreck
anyone with stories? Sorry for holding out then dumping.

Thanks
Mark Taynton empty gate.net
actually a BMW enthusiast looking for something that runs

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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 19:06:19 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

Must be a regional thing, because every 97 HD F-250 I've seen around here has a solid axle.
On the other hand every light duty 96 I've seen has a twin I front end.

ps drop the rest of the subject I did a week ago.

Chad Royse wrote:

> My '97 250HD 4x4 doesn't have a straight front axle. The new SuperDuty 4x4's, do
> though.



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58 F-100 292 sb 2wd
85 Bronco 300 IL6(not for long) 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
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KC7YPJ, Ryan Dorman
QTH: Victor ID, grid# DN431c
ICQ #3834602
kc7ypj pdt.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/5496


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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:04:33 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Liquid Tape

Wojo,
(weren't you on Barney Miller?), anyway, I've never heard of the
liquid tape, but I do recommend heat shrink tubing. This stuff makes
a great seal and looks very professional.
Later,
Randy (Brew)

Rick Wojciechowski wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
> I am curious about something. I was looking through
> one of my tool magazines a couple of weeks ago and
> came across some stuff called liquid tape. It is supposed
> to take the place of electrical tape when connecting or
> splicing wires. Has anyone here used it ? Comments
> on its performance ?
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rick Wojo
> '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
> '92 Mstng 5.0L
> '95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)
>
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:12:24 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Backfire Problem

Ok, this brings me to a question, gang,
My '87 F-250HD has no converter (factory non-catalyst). BUT, it has
TWO A.I.R. pumps on it. I thought this was to compensate for the lack
of a converter, but I don't really even understand what the pumps do.
I can't remember what it even stands for, but if I remember right it
takes excess gas from the exhaust manifolds and pumps it back to the
carb, is this right or wrong? I've been looking for headers for my
truck for some time now that incorporate the A.I.R. hook-ups, but
can't find any. I know you can by the add-on kit and weld it, but
will only do that if I run out of other options. So how does the
A.I.R. system help w/emissions? It has to pass tailpipe inspection so
is there a way to bypass the system and still pass or not?
Thanks,
Randy (Brew)

Bowman, John A wrote:
>
[snip]
> I removed the catalytic converter so it only has the
> single
> > muffler on it. My local Ford dealer says I should change the
> > anti-backfire valve ( $50 job). The air pump still works OK.
> >
> > Has anyone out there any thoughts?
> >
> My guess is that the air pump is the problem. With no catalytic
> converter
> you
> shouldn't need it.
[snip]
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:16:40 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Performance Truck List

Keith,
Sign me up, buddy!!!

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> Three weeks ago a vote was put up on the web site. The issue:
> adding a performance orient truck list. It won by a large
> margin:
>
> In Favor: 82%
> Against: 11%
> Don't Care: 5%
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:12:27 EDT
From: Hitman6136 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure

check your guage 87-91 fords are notorious for bad guages
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:59:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jayme Uldarico Newell
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 2.9L cracked heads

I'm sure most people are familiar with the 2.9l ford engines having an
engineering flaw regarding heads commonly cracking. Well I thought I was
lucky and had an unflawed engine until last week. My head gasket has
either blown or my heads are cracked.
I can't find any sign of coolant in the oil/ vice-versa. I just have
to constantly fill my radiator (about 1/2 to 1 gallon every other day)
and water is blowing out the exhaust. But the oil looks FINE!

cracked heads? probably. any advice?

Also, has anyone swapped this motor out for another 2.9l? I want to do
it as simply as possible, i.e. no rewiring, just an easy swap. If anyone
can put me in contact with some good sources for engines I'd really
appreciate it. I'm trying to find something that won't have the same
problem with heads cracking. But my best guess is that anything that I
put in will have to be a rebuilt 2.9l with the same crappy heads.
I've heard of aftermarket heads by DART, any ideas on how to contact them?

Thanks!

Jayme U. Newell
Santa Cruz, CA

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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 23:05:14 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 85 F-350 questions

Gear Vendors makes an overdrive that holds up on 600+horsepower and shifts
hard enough under throttle to bark the tires. You can find one of there adds
in most custom truck magazines.....


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