80-96-list-digest Friday, June 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 202



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure
FTE 80-96 - F-150 headlights
FTE 80-96 - Backfire Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Backfire Problem
FTE 80-96 - Gauges (was: Low oil pressure)
Re: Re[2]: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....pushbutton
RE: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure
Re: FTE 80-96 - I-6 300
Re: FTE 80-96 - 4DI? for Chad Cassity.
Re: FTE 80-96 - "I6 pulling advice"
FTE 80-96 - RE: New Process TC shifting problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
FTE 80-96 - RE:Gauges and the IVR
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
FTE 80-96 - I-6 VS V-8
Re[2]: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
Re[2]: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???
FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 09:43:00 -0700
From: Sheldon Belinkoff
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure

> I have an 88 F350 4x4 that the oil pressure gauge reads on the lower
> third or the gauge. It is above the 2 hash marks on the low side but
> usually sits between the first hash mark and the middle. Is this
> normal for a 351? The truck has 25,000 miles on it. I am thinkin' of
> swapping in a new oil pump

Before you go to all that trouble, you might be well-served by
installing a quality, direct-reading oil gauge. My F-350's gauge read
low but the pressure was fine according to the new gauge and a simple
test by a tech.

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:06:50 -0700
From: Jon Berman
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-150 headlights

Hello,

I've got a 1994 F-150, 2wd, that I installed larger tires onto. I need
to lower the headlight beams just slightly, but I'm not sure exactly
where the adjustment screws to raise/lower the headlights are located
and I don't want to turn the horizontal adjustment screws accidently!

Can anyone advise where they're located and in which direction I need to
turn the screws to lower the beam?

Thank you,
Jon
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:07:01 -0700
From: "Bowman, John A"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Backfire Problem

I still need advice on my backfire problem. I have an 83 F100 302
automatic with 56,000 miles. When I accelerate hard and back off quickly
I get a large backfire out of the exhaust. The truck is bone stock and
runs great. I removed the catalytic converter so it only has the single
muffler on it. My local Ford dealer says I should change the
anti-backfire valve ( $50 job). The air pump still works OK.

Has anyone out there any thoughts?

*************************************
J.A. Bowman
'83 F100, aka "Big Red"
Halifax, Nova Scotia
email: jbowman MTT.CA
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:24:05 EDT
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Backfire Problem

In a message dated 6/5/98 12:12:31 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jbowman mtt.ca
writes:

> still need advice on my backfire problem. I have an 83 F100 302
> automatic with 56,000 miles. When I accelerate hard and back off quickly
> I get a large backfire out of the exhaust. The truck is bone stock and
> runs great. I removed the catalytic converter so it only has the single
> muffler on it. My local Ford dealer says I should change the
> anti-backfire valve ( $50 job). The air pump still works OK.
>
> Has anyone out there any thoughts?
>
My guess is that the air pump is the problem. With no catalytic converter you
shouldn't need it. You might be running a little rich and the air pump feeds
air into the exaust to burn the excess and BOOM. Take the belt off and try it
see. As far as the "anti-backfire" valve, I haven't a clue what it is?
D Baken
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 19:00:20
From: Tim Clevenger
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gauges (was: Low oil pressure)

Hi all,

Any suggestions on a place to look for gauges? I have an '86 Ranger with speedometer in the right circle and four-position cluster (temp, oil, fuel, charge) in the left circle and would like to replace them with something more accurate.

Ideally, I'd like a tach that fits in the left circle, a speedometer with higher rating than 85 mph in the right circle and fuel, charge, oil pressure, water temp, oil temp, vacuum and boost gauges along the top or bottom of the dash. Since I have a bench seat and stick shift, I could also built a center console if needed. TIA for any advice.

Tim

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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:58:16 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure

Factory instrument panel oil gauges are barely more informative than an
idiot light. The only useful information you can gather from the factory
gauge is if you've noticed a recent *dramatic* change in the oil pressure
as indicated by the gauge. Otherwise, if it's not on the bottom Low end of
the gauge, you're probably ok.

I would recommend connecting a decent quality mechanical oil gauge, if you
really want to know what your engine's oil pressure is.



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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:19:56 EDT
From: FSTFORDS aol.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....pushbutton

I've beat on mine pretty hard and had no problems...

Damn...where's a piece of wood when ya need one...

m. long
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:07:38 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure

Pat,

Replace the oil pressure sending unit before you do
anything expensive or difficult. I have seen too many
oil pumps, gaskets, dash board voltage regulators,
and gauges replaced and the problem was a $10
sending unit. If you think about it, that is the
most abused part of the device, it is most likely
to go bad from the heat and pressure. It is very
fragile.

Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pat daniels [SMTP:pdaniels ptialaska.net]
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 12:56 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure
>
> I have an 88 F350 4x4 that the oil pressure gauge reads on the lower
> third
> or the gauge. It is above the 2 hash marks on the low side but
> usually
> sits between the first hash mark and the middle. Is this normal for a
> 351?
> The truck has 25,000 miles on it. I am thinkin' of swapping in a
> new oil
> pump and thought I could do it by just dropping the oil pan and
> putting in
> the new pump in but the Haynes manual says I have to loosen up the
> motor
> mounts and jack the engine up a little. It looks like I have plenty
> of
> room to do the job without having to jack the engine up since the
> truck is
> a F350 4x4. Anyone ever done this or offer any advice? One last
> thing, is
> the 351 in my truck a Windsor or Cleveland? It is the stock motor and
> is
> fuel injected if that helps.
> Thanks
> Pat Daniels
> Kodiak, Alaska
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:27:19 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - I-6 300

After having spent the last year dealing with a similarly abused truck with
same engine I would recomend scrapping the 300 in favor of a 302 or 351 v8,
but if you must stick with the 300
the problem is the intake manifold is either warped, has a blown gasket,
loose or any combo of
these problems. To find out start the truck get a can of carb cleaner with
the little straw on it and spray it thoroughly around the intake where it
bolts to the head, if it's leaking 1 of 2 things will happen, a: the engine
will die.. b: it will run faster ... I gave up getting the heavy s.o.b. to
seal correctly and intend on scrapping the six in favor of a v8. (better
mileage as long as you keep your foot out of it, and way better acceleration)

The schematic can be found in just about any repair manual. ie chiltons,
haynes etc..... wich are available at your local parts store.
Good luck with your truck, I'm also a member of the "My first car was a
Pickup Truck" club
enjoy... ;-)

Mason D wrote:

> I have a 86 F-150 with a I-6 in it. I just bought it for $300, and it
> looks like the guy didn't take to good of care with it. This is my first
> vehical. There is a sound comming from the carburetor area. It sounds
> like a vacuum hose or something. I checked everything, and no holes. Is
> this normal? Another thing, where can I get a schematic? It looks like
> I'm gonna have to rewire some of it.
>
> Mason


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58 F-100 292 sb 2wd
85 Bronco 300 IL6 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:38:18 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 4DI? for Chad Cassity.

Have you had any feedback on the 4DI by people that have installed it on a
4x4???

I know they work killer in street applications, but wondering how well it
would do in my
Bronco ( mainly off-road use) before I drop the healthy chunk of change for
1.


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85 Bronco 300 IL6(not for long) 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
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QTH: Victor ID, grid# DN431c
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:45:48 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - "I6 pulling advice"

All I can say is I'm glad I'm not in your shoes, good luck and I bet that
extra 2000 for the 302 or 2300 for the 351 wont seem like anywhere near as
much after your trip.

mike sands wrote:

> I'm getting ready to pull a 20' cargo trailer on a 1000 mile trip with a
> 92 F-150 equipped with a 300 I-6 and E40D automatic. Any advice would be
> greatly appreciated.



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85 Bronco 300 IL6(not for long) 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:55:52 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: New Process TC shifting problems

From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 82 F250 4x4 problems

PhilDyson aol.com wrote:

> Hard shifting is a very common problem with new process transfer cases.

My '85 NP208 had been rebuilt 4 (count 'em) times(all before 16,000 miles)
by two different dealers in two states because it would not shift out of 2H.
The first three repairs lasted only weeks. Last one worked; however, when I
got home I noticed the T.C. bleed to death on the driveway. They pinched a
gasket and had to take it apart yet again. to fix that. Of interesting note.
On one of the repairs the mechanic cut the spring that puts tension on the
shifting fork in half so that the lever would slide thru all the ranges.
This sounds o.k. at first but as I drove down the highway the lever would
vibrate back until it shifted itself in 4H then to 4L. Thank god for the
dash light. Walt
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:01:38 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???

when me or any of my friends decide to prove a point we don't want to do it again for
quite some time. Lack of confidence has nothing to do with it, love of our trucks
does...

As far as dragging the 91 chev longbox 2wd around the parking lot goes, I spent 2
nights listening to the idiot tell me how his chevy could beat my old Ford at anything.
So I made sure that I burned the fact that it couldn't into his memory permanently...
My best friend hoseing the bug was in response to the puke spending all night trying
to prove that his bug could out dig our trucks, it was the 5th and final time he had to
be pulled out of the same hole...

Lack of confidence has nothing to do with it, complete confidence is required to deal
with the morons of the world with only the occasional excesive show of Ford
brutality...

Chad Royse wrote:

> Usually when you go that far to prove a point it's called lack of confidence.

p.s. Maybe you should finish the first year of phsyc class before you try to diagnose
people...

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58 F-100 292 sb 2wd
85 Bronco 300 IL6(not for long) 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:20:18 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

Keith Srb wrote:

> I bought my Bronco II so I wouldn't have to worry about my ex-wife driving
> around in the snow and ice during the Nebraska winters.

I said Bronco not thinks it's a Bronco but is really a grocery getter for the
wife. ( same thing people here buy them for)

> Does this mean I have no use for a 4X4, I don't think so.

I didn't say 4wd that gets used occasionally, I said pretty trucks that never
(except for the owner putting it in 4wd to climb the curb so he can say he's had
it in 4wd) get the hubs locked in...

Give me a logical explanation for having a 4wd in an environment where the 4wd
will never get used.. There isn't 1...

I admit that me and my friends are on the extreme edge of 4wd use, my point is
why spend $2000-$4000 more for a vehicle that gets worse mileage,requires more
maintenance and has higher insurance rates if your not going to use what you are
paying extra for???

I live in an area where a 4wd is a tool not a luxury. ( 2" of snow in the valley
yesterday at noon
and 2' of fresh snow 15 minutes away at grand targhee ski area.) And it just
pisses me of to see
a perfectly good 4x4 living the life of a 2wd show truck.


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85 Bronco 300 IL6(not for long) 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
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QTH: Victor ID, grid# DN431c
ICQ #3834602
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:11:12 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:Gauges and the IVR

From: Jim Cannon
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure

Pat-
Before I would mess with the oil pump, [snip] if they seem to read low, then
your instrument
voltage regulator (IVR) may need to be adjusted a bit or replaced. When
that is done, the oil pressure indicator may go up more to where you
think it belongs. (Most people don't know that the IVR is adjustable.)

Good luck. Feel free to reply with further questions.
Jim.

Jim, I was going to mention the IVR also. I notice that my gauges either
read o.k., all high or all low. I've been considering replacing the IVR
because occasionally all the gauges will peg for about 1-2 seconds then
return to normal. My 85 has done this since new. Where is the IVR on an 85
f150? Cost? Easy t replace? Thanks Walt
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 18:33:56 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

MillrBeer aol.com wrote:
>
> hey-on my 95 Bronco I was wondering in it was worth it to put the same mods
> that went in to the Lightning or trying something different? I thought that
> Lightning intake would look a whole lot prettier in there, but wondering if
> it's really gonna be all that big a difference...on the other hand...they make
> a whipple supercharger that replaces the intake itself....hmmmm...I sure miss
> my Saleen SSC, but damn do I love my Bronco....
> Sean....owner of 95 Eddie Bauer Bronco
The Lightning intake is actually designed for a 5.0 so its does not
really flow all that great. Try a Cobra intake instead thats what I am
going to put on my Lightning
Chris
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:20:08 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

Ryan Dorman Wrote:
>Give me a logical explanation for having a 4wd in an environment where the
4wd
>will never get used.. There isn't 1...

Different peoples view of what is logical and what isn't logical differs.
I have a friend who bought a 4wd F-150 that he was going to use to pull a
small camper up into the mountains with. Before he got the camper, he got
divorced. He hasn't bought a camper yet, has no plans to, and has never
used 4wd. He loves the truck and plans on keeping it. Is this logical, in
his mind yes. He has a good truck that he know is dependable, as he says
"why trade it in for something else that may be a lemon?" Is it logical in
my mind, it doesn't matter. It is his truck, it is his life. I don't care
if it is logical to me, it is not my truck.

>I admit that me and my friends are on the extreme edge of 4wd use,

There is nothing wrong with being on the edge of 4wd use. I enjoy watching
some of the extremes places people will try and drive trough. But it is
not something I want to do.

>my point is
>why spend $2000-$4000 more for a vehicle that gets worse mileage,requires
more
>maintenance and has higher insurance rates if your not going to use what
you are
>paying extra for???

Because they want to, what more reason do they need. Why should you care if
they do that or not? Yes it may tick you off, but it is their life and
their money, so why should you care?

>I live in an area where a 4wd is a tool not a luxury. ( 2" of snow in the
valley
>yesterday at noon and 2' of fresh snow 15 minutes away at grand targhee
ski area.)
>And it just pisses me of to see a perfectly good 4x4 living the life of a
2wd show truck.

I gave up letting things like that tick me off a long time ago. It is
their life, there money, there truck. I have my own life to worry about.

Sorry if this message ticks anyone off, but I am tried of people
complaining about what other people are doing with their lives. I am here
to share ideas on how to improve, repair and maintain my trucks not judge
anyone else for what they want to do with their lives.


Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
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Mesa, AZ

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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:43:07 -0600
From: "Tommy Regan"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

FYI, a Cobra intake is more torquey than a GT-40 intake. The GT-40 is
better for higher revs.

Tommy Regan
1987 LX 5.0
1996 Cobra
Austin, Texas
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> From: Garr&Pam
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....
> Date: Friday, June 05, 1998 12:33 PM
>
> MillrBeer aol.com wrote:
> >
> > hey-on my 95 Bronco I was wondering in it was worth it to put the same
mods
> > that went in to the Lightning or trying something different? I thought
that
> > Lightning intake would look a whole lot prettier in there, but
wondering if
> > it's really gonna be all that big a difference...on the other
hand...they make
> > a whipple supercharger that replaces the intake itself....hmmmm...I
sure miss
> > my Saleen SSC, but damn do I love my Bronco....
> > Sean....owner of 95 Eddie Bauer Bronco
> The Lightning intake is actually designed for a 5.0 so its does not
> really flow all that great. Try a Cobra intake instead thats what I am
> going to put on my Lightning
> Chris
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 19:13:17 -0500
From: Stephen Hansen
Subject: FTE 80-96 - I-6 VS V-8

Sometimes it is fun just to be different. With my '50 F-1, I am staying
with the flathead (for now) just because I can. I know that all ends of
performance could be obtained from later model V-8, but not everyone has
seen a flathead. I would look forward to seeing a faster than stock I-6
with all the mods. Hey go for it
My 2 cents!!
Steve

'50 F-1 (some assembly required)
'85 LTD
'92 F-250
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:14:42 +2000
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re[2]: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

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Saturday, 6 June 98, Ryan Dorman wrote:

> I said Bronco not thinks it's a Bronco but is really a grocery getter for the
> wife. ( same thing people here buy them for)

Actually yes a Bronco *is* a very good grocery getter. If it is a
very good grocery getter, then there is no reason why someone
shouldn't have one for that purpose.

> I didn't say 4wd that gets used occasionally, I said pretty trucks that never
> (except for the owner putting it in 4wd to climb the curb so he can say he's had
> it in 4wd) get the hubs locked in...

What about people with 4x4's who put the thing in 4WD before they ever
need it? So often on the trails I see folks shift into 4WD before
they ever have a need to and drive the whole trail that way. They are
always the ones that get stuck the worst.

With an air locker in the rear, most 4x4's can stay in 2WD through
most trails.

Swampy southern goo is another story altogether.

> Give me a logical explanation for having a 4wd in an environment where the 4wd
> will never get used.. There isn't 1...

Give me a logical explanation for the recent redesign of the F150.
Consumers buy what they *want*, not necessarily what they *need*, and
consumers were asking for a truck that looks "prettier".

> I admit that me and my friends are on the extreme edge of 4wd use, my point is
> why spend $2000-$4000 more for a vehicle that gets worse mileage,requires more
> maintenance and has higher insurance rates if your not going to use what you are
> paying extra for???

Because:
1) Folks can afford it
2) That's what they want.

Aren't they entitled?

> I live in an area where a 4wd is a tool not a luxury. ( 2" of snow in the valley
> yesterday at noon
> and 2' of fresh snow 15 minutes away at grand targhee ski area.) And it just
> pisses me of to see
> a perfectly good 4x4 living the life of a 2wd show truck.

You should thank all those people with 4x4's living the life of a show
truck. Without them, automakers could not sell enough 4x4's to
justify making vehicles for your niche market.

Take it easy, Ryan, there is no reason to be so bent.

Why do people build hot rods? What is the logic in it?? Is there
any?

Americans love their automobiles. Nothing more needs to be said!

Chris mailto:chris yonderway.com
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1987 Ford F250 5.0L 2WD "Ugly Truckling" aka "Optimus Primer"

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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:21:12 +2000
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re[2]: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???

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Saturday, 6 June 98, Ryan Dorman wrote:

> when me or any of my friends decide to prove a point we don't want to do it again for
> quite some time. Lack of confidence has nothing to do with it, love of our trucks
> does...

Oh my.... you sound like that guy I saw at the tractor pull who was
chewing tobacco *AND* smoking at the same time for the love of
tobacco... really, without getting all bent out of shape and trying
to turn this into a flame war, think about what kind of an $$ you're
making out of yourself here.

> Lack of confidence has nothing to do with it, complete confidence is required to deal
> with the morons of the world with only the occasional excesive show of Ford
> brutality...

Thanks for contributing to the stereotype of pickup truck drivers.

> p.s. Maybe you should finish the first year of phsyc class before you try to diagnose
> people...

Children, play nice.

Chris mailto:chris yonderway.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
1987 Ford F250 5.0L 2WD "Ugly Truckling" aka "Optimus Primer"

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 20:18:29 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I-6 Performance - Why???

If you kidds can't play nice then stay away from each other!!!!!!!

Chris Hedemark wrote:

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> > when me or any of my friends decide to prove a point we don't want to do it again for
> > quite some time. Lack of confidence has nothing to do with it, love of our trucks
> > does...
>
> Oh my.... you sound like that guy I saw at the tractor pull who was
> chewing tobacco *AND* smoking at the same time for the love of
> tobacco... really, without getting all bent out of shape and trying
> to turn this into a flame war, think about what kind of an $$ you're
> making out of yourself here.
>
> > Lack of confidence has nothing to do with it, complete confidence is required to deal
> > with the morons of the world with only the occasional excesive show of Ford
> > brutality...
>
> Thanks for contributing to the stereotype of pickup truck drivers.
>
> > p.s. Maybe you should finish the first year of phsyc class before you try to diagnose
> > people...
>
> Children, play nice.
>
> Chris mailto:chris yonderway.com
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 17:50:43
From: yhtlines surfari.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure

Folks have been asking about the indicated low oil pressure on their
motors. Well, don't know if it is common knowledge, but at some time in the
last ten years, Ford hooked the oil pressure gage to an oil pressure
switch, not a pressure sender. So the gage always reads the same thing,
always, assuming the engine is running and the key is on!. If it is
varying, then I would suspect a problem with the voltage regulator on the
dash, or more likely, a loose connection on the oil pressure switch (driver
side down near the oil filter on 302's). Been there, done that. My son's
'88 F150 had that problem.
Dave

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 20:38:41 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 mods.....

> > I didn't say 4wd that gets used occasionally, I said pretty trucks that never
> > (except for the owner putting it in 4wd to climb the curb so he can say he's had
> > it in 4wd) get the hubs locked in...
>
> What about people with 4x4's who put the thing in 4WD before they ever
> need it? So often on the trails I see folks shift into 4WD before
> they ever have a need to and drive the whole trail that way. They are
> always the ones that get stuck the worst.

What are you an idiot, read the msg again for your answer.. Get it? I didn't think so.

> With an air locker in the rear, most 4x4's can stay in 2WD through
> most trails.

With an air locker most 2wd's can drive on the average trail, if you want to play on
the above average trails with us I recomend a detroit in the front and rear.(air
lockers have lines going to them that don't survive the Idaho backcountry...)

> Swampy southern goo is another story altogether.

Ooh flatlands with gumbo mud. Try steep terrain with loose shale 1 minute then greasy
claymud that balls up on your tires turning them into drag slicks on gear lube
(occasion floorboarding
cleans the tread out) the next... Ooh swampy southern goo, a playground. when recess
is over come play in the dangerous terain where anything over a 6" lift & 35's is pure
suicide.

> > Give me a logical explanation for having a 4wd in an environment where the 4wd
> > will never get used.. There isn't 1...
>
> Give me a logical explanation for the recent redesign of the F150.
> Consumers buy what they *want*, not necessarily what they *need*, and
> consumers were asking for a truck that looks "prettier".

I said logical not changeing the subject or avoiding thinking of an answer (after this
reply I lost hope for an explanation involving thought), when your done twidling your
thumbs explain why theheavy duty f-250 & f-350 still have straight axle front ends.
The 97 F-150 in my driveway just spent 4 months in 4wd (8200 foot mountain pass in
between home and work, 4wd is still required to get to 2 of our job sites) and it
gets to haul gravel, topsoil large fur bearing mamals and runs the occasional trail.

> > I admit that me and my friends are on the extreme edge of 4wd use, my point is
> > why spend $2000-$4000 more for a vehicle that gets worse mileage,requires more
> > maintenance and has higher insurance rates if your not going to use what you are
> > paying extra for???



> > I live in an area where a 4wd is a tool not a luxury. ( 2" of snow in the valley

> > yesterday at noon
> > and 2' of fresh snow 15 minutes away at grand targhee ski area.) And it just
> > pisses me of to see
> > a perfectly good 4x4 living the life of a 2wd show truck.
>
> You should thank all those people with 4x4's living the life of a show
> truck. Without them, automakers could not sell enough 4x4's to
> justify making vehicles for your niche market.

You need to research your sales figures. Thank the construction workers, ranchers &
farmers For makeing the 4wd a neccesary evil in the eyes of the lawmakers.. Not to
mention the fact that
were the ones buying the majority of them not the I want a pretty truck people, not....


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