80-96-list-digest Friday, May 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 173



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - A/C is fixed....thanks
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck's And All There Problems!!!!!
FTE 80-96 - My '95 F-150
FTE 80-96 - Engine swap woes, HELP!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - My '95 F-150
Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine swap woes, HELP!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine swap woes, HELP!!
FTE 80-96 - 1980 F100
FTE 80-96 - Sweek
Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine swap woes, HELP!!
FTE 80-96 - Seatbelt Strangulation
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 F100
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 F100
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 F100
FTE 80-96 - Fwd: [ZUK] Maryland will outlaw E

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:19:01 -0400
From: "Bruce A. Ramirez"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - A/C is fixed....thanks

If the o-ring is under warranty, then the freon charge should be under
warranty too. It wasn't your fault the o-ring was bad...

Michael_Skerrett ccmail.orl.lmco.com wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the advise on my air conditioner. Seems last summer
> when the compressor was replaced at least one faulty O-ring seal was
> used. I guess is has been leaking slowly ever since, but I didn't
> notice it until now, after having sat for so long. Good news, bad
> news, the repair of all the O-rings was under warranty, but I had to
> pay for the freon recharge (at $35 per pound).
>
> Thanks again, and here's to COOL Ford truckin'
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:58:18 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck's And All There Problems!!!!!

I'm not usually THIS short but... Grow up. You heard one problem on the news. If
you did any type of real research, you would know there are many more happy Ford
owners than Chevy. The Ford F-Series has been the number one selling vehicle (of any
type!) for years on end now. There's a reson for that.

Do what you please, but I don't know why you expected any type of Chevy support on a
Ford Mailing list.

BTW, are sure about that year (97)? That's a lot of miles for a 97 truck that's sat
a few months. Well that, and 97's don't have lifters.

Good luck,
Chad

PS Everything else aside, I'm sorry to hear about your dad.

h7819 rea-alp.com wrote:
>
> We have a 97 F 150 that my dad drove before his death it has been in the
> shed for a few months. It only has 21,000 miles on it has been started
> now and then. The lifters are knocking like it going to blow up, also the
> defective Ford lugnuts. I am going to turn 16 this summer and was
> planning to buy a 1994 F 150 or so but if Ford can't even design lugnuts
> that stay on I don't want one of there vehicles in my possesion. My plans
> are to buy a 1993-1994 Chevrolet K 1500 silverado. Does anyone know the
> whole story behind the lugnuts?
> Matt Hemming
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:24:31 CDT
From: "Justin Ling"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - My '95 F-150

Hey everybody, ive been on this list for awhile now, and ive mainly just
been watching, i dont make too many posts. In March, (as a matter of
fact, Friday, march 13, who says its a day for bad luck?) I got my new
truck. Its a 95 f-150 302 swb 4X4 and I put 52k on it just the other
day. I left the tires it had on it for awhile because they looked ok
and werent worn bad. they are 31 X 10.50 laredo A/Ts on the stock 95
wheels. I have a few questions:

1.) I dont get too good mileage on this truck, most times its about
14-16 i do alot of stop and go driving, and the only time I got 16 was
when i was on the highway the whole tank. What could this be? Is it
the tires? Also, it only has one tank, which doesnt bother me mainly
because you cant get them on a SWB truck, but the tank is SMALL like 13
gallons...

2.) I know the truck doesnt have Posi-track, and i want it, what would
be the best way to go? And will it damage my rear-end? I was thinking
of something like a locker, mainly due to price...is this the way to go?

3.) Will the K&N's hurt these motors? I have heard in instances that
they can, but i have heard good things too....

Any inout on my questions would be apprieciated...

Sorry so long winded

Justin Ling

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:11:04 -0400
From: Michael Melson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Engine swap woes, HELP!!

I've dropped an '89 5.0 HO into my '90 F-150, to replace the oil
burning and leaking 5.0. Everything is together, but the starter won't
turn the flywheel, I can however spin the flywheel w/ a pry bar.
The '89 5.0 HO is out of a Mustang GT w/ std trans, the truck is an
auto. The flywheel and starter are from the '90 5.0, the starter also
works when bench tested.
It sounds like the starter engages, but does not spin. I'm thinking
it's not hitting the flywheel correctly, but I'm not sure.
If anyone can offer some insight into what the problem may be, I would
be greatly appreciative. At this point I'm way over budget, and the wife
is getting a little annoyed by the constant trips to the parts store.

- --
Mike
'90 F-150
'67 Shelby GT 500 wannabe
Ponyboy's Garage- '64 1/2-'68 Mustang parts
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~ponyboy428/
I'm always looking for '67-8 Shelby and Mustang fastback specific
parts.
Also 428 CJ specific parts, let me know what you have.


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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:41:10 -0700
From: Mark Ponsford
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - My '95 F-150

>Hey everybody, ive been on this list for awhile now, and ive mainly just
>been watching, i dont make too many posts. In March, (as a matter of
>fact, Friday, march 13, who says its a day for bad luck?) I got my new
>truck. Its a 95 f-150 302 swb 4X4 and I put 52k on it just the other
>day. I left the tires it had on it for awhile because they looked ok
>and werent worn bad. they are 31 X 10.50 laredo A/Ts on the stock 95
>wheels. I have a few questions:
>
>1.) I dont get too good mileage on this truck, most times its about
>14-16 i do alot of stop and go driving, and the only time I got 16 was
>when i was on the highway the whole tank. What could this be? Is it
>the tires? Also, it only has one tank, which doesnt bother me mainly
>because you cant get them on a SWB truck, but the tank is SMALL like 13
>gallons...

I get 15 mpg with my '88 302/5spd. I think everyone is about the same with
late model 300/302s. I strongly believe it has to do with the EFI. All the
older carburated 300/302s that I know of get 20+. I used to drive a '73
E100 240/3onthetree and even with 200Kmi+ I was getting 24mpg.

>
>2.) I know the truck doesnt have Posi-track, and i want it, what would
>be the best way to go? And will it damage my rear-end? I was thinking
>of something like a locker, mainly due to price...is this the way to go?

I'd probably not get involved with the locker, especially with a SWB. A
posi is more appropriate for a small, light duty truck. A posi won't damage
your rearend but will cause your rear tires to wear out alot sooner.
Depending on how tight the posi, your backend might jump a bit when going
around corners.

>
>3.) Will the K&N's hurt these motors? I have heard in instances that
>they can, but i have heard good things too....

I've no experience with K&N filters but I'm a firm believer of the old
adage "you don't get something for nothing". Since these filters are less
restrictive, I don't think they clean the air as well as the factory
filters, consequently your engine isn't going to last as long.

>
>Any inout on my questions would be apprieciated...
>
>Sorry so long winded
>
>Justin Ling

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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:05:02 -0400
From: Danny Metz
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine swap woes, HELP!!

Mike,

Sorry, I can't give you specific answers to your questions, but, does the
starter engage the flywheel? Does the starter draw current when you turn
the key? Let me know how your swap works out, as I am contemplating the
same swap in my 90.

Danny

At 12:11 PM 5/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
> I've dropped an '89 5.0 HO into my '90 F-150, to replace the oil
>burning and leaking 5.0. Everything is together, but the starter won't
>turn the flywheel, I can however spin the flywheel w/ a pry bar.
> The '89 5.0 HO is out of a Mustang GT w/ std trans, the truck is an
>auto. The flywheel and starter are from the '90 5.0, the starter also
>works when bench tested.
> It sounds like the starter engages, but does not spin. I'm thinking
>it's not hitting the flywheel correctly, but I'm not sure.
> If anyone can offer some insight into what the problem may be, I would
>be greatly appreciative. At this point I'm way over budget, and the wife
>is getting a little annoyed by the constant trips to the parts store.
>
>--
> Mike
>'90 F-150
>'67 Shelby GT 500 wannabe
>Ponyboy's Garage- '64 1/2-'68 Mustang parts
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~ponyboy428/
> I'm always looking for '67-8 Shelby and Mustang fastback specific
>parts.
> Also 428 CJ specific parts, let me know what you have.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:51:26 -0500
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine swap woes, HELP!!

Mike,

Can you turn the motor over by hand? I don't know where you got the HO, but
maybe it's a little "stiff". You should be able to turn the motor over with
a breaker bar and socket engaged in the crank snout--easily.

Sorry I can't give more input--difficult to tell without seeing it. Am
interested in how the HO works when you get it in. Are you using the
existing EEC, or did you have to use a controller from the HO?

Another question that occurs to me: I know that at least some (probably all)
of the 302/5.0L motors are externally ballanced at the flywheel. Is this
done the same on automatic equipped vehicles as with manuals, or are some
internally ballanced and some externally ballanced? Is this something that
needs to be watched when doing a manual to automatic conversion? I know the
firing order is different on HOs--just wondered if the ballancing was as
well.


Michael Melson wrote:

> I've dropped an '89 5.0 HO into my '90 F-150, to replace the oil
> burning and leaking 5.0. Everything is together, but the starter won't
> turn the flywheel, I can however spin the flywheel w/ a pry bar.
> The '89 5.0 HO is out of a Mustang GT w/ std trans, the truck is an
> auto. The flywheel and starter are from the '90 5.0, the starter also
> works when bench tested.
> It sounds like the starter engages, but does not spin. I'm thinking
> it's not hitting the flywheel correctly, but I'm not sure.
> If anyone can offer some insight into what the problem may be, I would
> be greatly appreciative. At this point I'm way over budget, and the wife
> is getting a little annoyed by the constant trips to the parts store.



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Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:57:36 -0700
From: Jim
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1980 F100

1980 F100 4.9L (300CID) Need help: My air filter gets clogged with
oil. The oil comes from the oil filler cap hose to the air filter.

I have replaced the PCV valve and head gasket but the oil is still
drawn into air filter from filler cap. Is there something common I
should be checking.

Thanks for any help on this problem.

Jim
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:00:30 -0500
From: Jason DiSalvo
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Sweek

Guys, every time I stop, trun to left or right I here a a noise. I have a
1997 F250HD, It is coming from the left side of the truck. Ford canf find
the noise. The replace both front leaf springs. What can it be? Can anyone
advise?

- -Jason DiSalvo
disalvo tco.com


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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:29:50 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine swap woes, HELP!!

Sounds like a near success...
If memory serves, the positive lead from the battery should connect to the
relay on firewall, then a lead goes from there to the starter. There should
be one or two small leads on the face of the the relay. If one, short to
the battery side to engage and turn starter, if two lugs, you'll have to
try both only one will provide spark. It's a lot of current so be careful.
It is possible the starter relay is bad, or possibly that the starter may
require shimming to match up (doubtful).

You could just rteplace the starter relay and not fuss with shorting the
old one out.

Hope this helps...

Bob


At 12:51 PM 5/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Mike,
>
>Can you turn the motor over by hand? I don't know where you got the HO, but
>maybe it's a little "stiff". You should be able to turn the motor over with
>a breaker bar and socket engaged in the crank snout--easily.
>
>Sorry I can't give more input--difficult to tell without seeing it. Am
>interested in how the HO works when you get it in. Are you using the
>existing EEC, or did you have to use a controller from the HO?
>
>Another question that occurs to me: I know that at least some (probably all)
>of the 302/5.0L motors are externally ballanced at the flywheel. Is this
>done the same on automatic equipped vehicles as with manuals, or are some
>internally ballanced and some externally ballanced? Is this something that
>needs to be watched when doing a manual to automatic conversion? I know the
>firing order is different on HOs--just wondered if the ballancing was as
>well.
>
>
>Michael Melson wrote:
>
>> I've dropped an '89 5.0 HO into my '90 F-150, to replace the oil
>> burning and leaking 5.0. Everything is together, but the starter won't
>> turn the flywheel, I can however spin the flywheel w/ a pry bar.
>> The '89 5.0 HO is out of a Mustang GT w/ std trans, the truck is an
>> auto. The flywheel and starter are from the '90 5.0, the starter also
>> works when bench tested.
>> It sounds like the starter engages, but does not spin. I'm thinking
>> it's not hitting the flywheel correctly, but I'm not sure.
>> If anyone can offer some insight into what the problem may be, I would
>> be greatly appreciative. At this point I'm way over budget, and the wife
>> is getting a little annoyed by the constant trips to the parts store.
>
>
>
>--
>Best Regards,
>
>Dave Baldwin
>Dallas, TX
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:14:03 -0800
From: callah S5.hninc.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Seatbelt Strangulation

Help I'm getting strangled by my seatbelt and shoulder harness! When
I'm out 4-wheeling in my '81 F-150 Custom my seatbelt gets tighter and
tighter until it becomes very uncomfortable and movement restricting.
The ratcheting action of the seatbelt tightener seems to constantly
engaged. Is there a replacement belt tightener assembly available from
Ford or someone else? Does anyone have a solution for this?

Gary Callahan
'81 F-150 Custom 4x4
(300cid I-6; w/4-speed)
*****************************************************
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Holmes & Narver, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:22:17 -0500
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 F100

Jim wrote:

> 1980 F100 4.9L (300CID) Need help: My air filter gets clogged with
> oil. The oil comes from the oil filler cap hose to the air filter.
>
> I have replaced the PCV valve and head gasket but the oil is still
> drawn into air filter from filler cap. Is there something common I
> should be checking.

Perhaps the hose connecting to your PCV valve is plugged?

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Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:10:33 -0700
From: Jim Allen
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 F100

THANKS DAVID BUT HAVE GOOD HOSE. THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT , I BELIEVE I
MAY HAVE AIR GETTING INTO CRANK CASE FROM BAD GASKET. EVEN WHEN PVC IS
WORKING AND I REV UP ENGINE, OIL SMOKE COMES OUT OF MY FILLER CAP HOSE.
THANKS AGAIN FOR THE SUGGESTION THOUGH.

David J. Baldwin wrote:

> Jim wrote:
>
> > 1980 F100 4.9L (300CID) Need help: My air filter gets clogged with
> > oil. The oil comes from the oil filler cap hose to the air filter.
> >
> > I have replaced the PCV valve and head gasket but the oil is still
> > drawn into air filter from filler cap. Is there something common I
> > should be checking.
>
> Perhaps the hose connecting to your PCV valve is plugged?
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Dave Baldwin
> Dallas, TX
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:43:33 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 F100

My .02,

There could be a couple of reasons for the blow by:
1. Could be a good time to run a compression test and see if all cylinders
are coming in at a good ratio.

Is the truck running smoothly?

2. If a valve is not seating correctly, compression will blow by the valve
and great pressure under the valve cover.

3. If the oil paths are blocked on the head, oil will build up and be
sucked into the PCV valve. It would not take a lot of this type of blockage
to create the oiling prob.

A few to think about....there are quite a few sharp folks out here.
I'm sure you'll get more info...

Bob


At 05:10 PM 5/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
>THANKS DAVID BUT HAVE GOOD HOSE. THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT , I BELIEVE I
>MAY HAVE AIR GETTING INTO CRANK CASE FROM BAD GASKET. EVEN WHEN PVC IS
>WORKING AND I REV UP ENGINE, OIL SMOKE COMES OUT OF MY FILLER CAP HOSE.
>THANKS AGAIN FOR THE SUGGESTION THOUGH.
>
>David J. Baldwin wrote:
>
>> Jim wrote:
>>
>> > 1980 F100 4.9L (300CID) Need help: My air filter gets clogged with
>> > oil. The oil comes from the oil filler cap hose to the air filter.
>> >
>> > I have replaced the PCV valve and head gasket but the oil is still
>> > drawn into air filter from filler cap. Is there something common I
>> > should be checking.
>>
>> Perhaps the hose connecting to your PCV valve is plugged?
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Dave Baldwin
>> Dallas, TX
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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 23:17:49 EDT
From: FSTFORDS
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fwd: [ZUK] Maryland will outlaw E

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suzuki4x4

Hey Gang (USA residence),

I've never seen this go by on these 2 Suzuki lists, but IT IS of concern =
to
you.. Cause once, a single state is changed, the rest are soon to follow.=
..
Especially if Maryland goes... VA, DC and probably PA & Del will follow
shortly...

So READ what they are going to OUTLAW... I can sum it up even more than
below... Over a 2" body lift... a body and Spring lift combined... tires =
that
are 2 sizes larger or smaller than offered by OEM. That should be enoug=
h to
get your attention to read more, call to get the address, and write... YO=
U
DON'T HAVE TO BE A RESIDENCE OF MD to write...

take care, Randy
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Subject: ebr Maryland will outlaw EBs with > 2" lift! and other new rules

>Maryland State Police get to make their own rules! The time allowed for
>public response has been extended 'til mid-June.
>
>I got this info from Steve McDonald, SEMA Director for State Relations
>202 783 6007. He can fax the full info to you or I have a condensed
>version.
>
>You don't have to be a Maryland resident to be concerned. Please get
>your Club involved. Some of the changes are just ensuring good
>maintenance. Others are not.
>
>thumbnail sketch follows:
>Recap of the proposed amendment to the Maryland Vehicle Inspections
>regulations, Title 11, Subtitle 14, 11.14.02, in part.
>
>REJECT VEHICLE IF ANY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS IS FOUND UPON
>INSPECTION:
>- An installed body lift exceeds 2 inches.
>- There is a combination body lift and suspension lift.
>- A body lift has been installed and an adapter kit or adjustment has
>not corrected the steering shaft to the original angle.
>- A body lift and adapter kit has been installed or adjustment has been
>made which adversely affects the collapsibility of the steering column.
>- A steering stabilizer has been installed which interferes with lock to
>lock steering
>- The steering stabilizer, brackets or mounting locations are loose or
>in contact with another component during turning movements.
>- Vehicle is equipped with an aftermarket suspension lift kit which the
>manufacturer recommends for off-road use.
>- A suspension lift that exceeds 2 inches of lift is installed in a
>vehicle.
>- A suspension lift requiring relocation or modification of suspension
>mounting locations is installed in a vehicle.
>- A suspension lift kit requiring the elimination or modification on an
>engine, transmission or transfer case mounting location is installed in
>a vehicle.
>- A modification has been made to a vehicle that affects the normal
>function of the shock absorbers; for example the shock absorbers are
>fully extended or compressed position when the vehicle is stationary.
>- There is a modification which reduces the original turning radius lock
>to lock.
>- There is a modification which causes wheels or tires to come in
>contact with body or undercarriage components.
>- A lift block which separates the front axle from the springs has been
>installed in the front suspension.
>- Multiple lift blocks have been installed in the rear suspension.
>- A combination of suspension and body lift has been installed.
>- A spring, shock, or other component which is incompatible with the
>original mounting locations has been installed.
>- There is elimination or restriction of the vehicle=92s suspension
>travel.
>- An original equipment component has failed.
>- An original equipment component is worn to the point that it affects
>the vehicle=92s stability.
>- Vehicle equipment or a component extends below the bottom edge of the
>wheel.
>- Either of the vehicle frame rails, when measured in accordance with
>the procedures under D(2)(d) of this regulation, exceeds:
>- For Class A (passenger) vehicles =96 20 inches;
>- For Class M (multipurpose) vehicles =96 28 inches;
>- For Class E (truck) vehicles with a manufacturer=92s rating of 10,000
>pounds or less =96 28 inches; and
>- For Class E (truck) vehicles with a manufacturer=92s rating of more
>than 10,000, but less than 18,000 pounds =96 30 inches.
>- A body mount locations has bee altered from the manufacturer=92s
>original location.
>- A body mount location is equipped with a hydraulic or pneumatic
>lifting device, unless the device is to retrofit a truck with a dump
>bed.
>- Brake hoses, lines or cables are not long enough to allow lock to lock
>movement without interfering with other hoses, lines or cables, or other
>components during steering and suspension movement.
>- By visual comparison, tire sizes differ significantly as follows:
>- Tires of more than two graduations in size on the same axle;
>- Tires are significantly smaller that manufacturer=92s specified minimu=
m
>or of such significantly larger size that required suspension
>modification to prevent tire and body contact during different vehicle
>attitudes. The size of the tire is not the size originally installed by
>the vehicle manufacturer, a vehicle manufacturer upgrade, or an
>acceptable substitute specified by the Division.
>

Michael J. Kupec
mkupec erols.com

I live with constant fear and danger every day...
and sometimes she lets me go four-wheeling!

Get in, Sit down, Shut up, and Hold on!

It's a Bronco thing, They wouldn't have a clue!

Management & Data Systems, Lockheed Martin Corporation
Woodbridge, Virginia, USA (703) 680-6903
1970 Bronco w/351W (in a constant state of dissassembly/refinement...)
1964 1/2 260 Convertible w/PS, PB, & Power Top
1965 289 HP "K" Coupe w/PS, PB, & Pony Int. (Early '65, not a GT)



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