80-96-list-digest Wednesday, May 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 159



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: Antifreeze , new suggestion
FTE 80-96 - F-250
FTE 80-96 - Ford Enthusiasts Gathering?
RE: FTE 80-96 - F-250
FTE 80-96 - Front Diff. Identity Crisis:-)
FTE 80-96 - We Won! #1 Auto Site!
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-250
RE: FTE 80-96 - We Won! #1 Auto Site!
FTE 80-96 - FW-15 coolant additive
Re: FTE 80-96 - Front Diff. Identity Crisis:-)
FTE 80-96 - Re: Engine Change
FTE 80-96 - Engine Oil
FTE 80-96 - 1998 Ford U.S. Truck Fest Series
Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine Oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - We Won! #1 Auto Site!
Re: FTE 80-96 - We Won! #1 Auto Site!
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1998 Ford U.S. Truck Fest Series
FTE 80-96 - Truck Fest - Clarification
FTE 80-96 - Pigeon Forge lunch and get together
Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine Oil
FTE 80-96 - Congratulations!!!
FTE 80-96 - Ford U.S. Truck Fest

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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:08:20 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Antifreeze , new suggestion

Casey-

You mentioned bypassing the hearter core. This is a good idea. I did not
suggest it because I thought you would be too cold up there in Alaska.
When my heater began to leak a few years ago, I bypassed it. But it is
warm here in Houston and I did not miss it. I eventually replaced it.
The only potential "gotcha'" is you must loop the hose around from
waterpump outlet back to the engine block. Do not just plug the two
hoses off. When the thermostat is closed, the heater core allows a small
mount of coolant to bypass and circulate, so that the block warms up
evenly.

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Houston, Texas

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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:20:35 -0700
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-250

Hi, about a month ago i posted a message asking what kind of truck would be good
for a 15 acre farm. It looks that we definitly getting the farm now and that means
we will definitly need a truck!!! From what you guys have said a Ford F-250 would
be good. My grandfather who is buying the farm says that sounds good, my grandmother
says that will be to big, but neither one of them hardly know what the difference
is between a F-150 and a F-250. My questions are:

Is a regular 2 door F-250 ok for a 15 acre farm (plan on raising alpacka, chickens,
and maybe a couple other animals)???

My grandparents only want to pay less than $11,000 for the truck. They want it
to be newer than a 92 and have less than 65,000 miles, is this possible???





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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 07:51:50 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford Enthusiasts Gathering?

Forwarded to all the lists for:
From: Gary Callahan

Please cc all replies to him! Thanks.

I live in southern California and have been a member of this list for
over six months now. I have enjoyed it very much. I have posted
questions and replied to other postings. I have an idea I'd like to put
forth for concideration. I think it would be great fun to get together
with other members of this list for a weekend outing. I think we could
pick one of the trips from Harry Lewellyn's "glovebox" book on backroad
trips in southern California or if anyone knows of another good day trip
in the area. I think it would be best to limit it to a one-day event
for now. We could all meet at a predetermined location, drive the
scenic backroads to a nice spot for a potluck lunch, then home a
different route. Let me know what you all think of this idea. After
all the Jeep owners have their Jeep Jamboree. Why can't we have a
gathering as well. Send (or post) your thoughts to me soon, the summer
will be over before you know it. For quickest response reply to my
e-mail at work.

Gary Callahan
'81 F-150 Custom 4x4 (400cid I-6 w/4-speed)

GCallahan prodigy.net (home)
callah hninc.com (work)


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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 09:08:26 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F-250

Scottie Schmidt wrote:

> Is a regular 2 door F-250 ok for a 15 acre farm (plan on raising
> alpacka, chickens,
> and maybe a couple other animals)???
>
Yes, if you don't need a supercab for inside cargo or passenger space, a
regular cab should be fine.

> My grandparents only want to pay less than $11,000 for the truck. They
> want it
> to be newer than a 92 and have less than 65,000 miles, is this possible???
>
I don't think you will have a problem meeting these requirements if you go
with a regular cab and the 351W engine. You may even be able to get an XLT
for that price but you might prefer an XL for farm use anyway. One thing I
would suggest would be to try to find a truck with a limited slip rear
differential. It help keep you from getting stuck when driving around a
muddy field.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 07:14:03 -0700
From: rockinghorse webtv.net (Randall Goolsby)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Front Diff. Identity Crisis:-)

Gentlemen, I have an 85 F-250 4x4 that I'm trying to figure out the
particulars on.The info I've gotten off the net is somewhat
confusing.The front differential tag is missing;so much for the easy
route.The door tag gives me a GVWR of 8600 lbs,with an axle code
G3.According to what I've read,vehicles below the 8600 are standard-duty
3/4 ton trucks with a Dana 44HD.Vehicles with a GVWR above 8600 are the
3/4 ton HD models,equipped with the Dana 50.Is this true?What if the
GVWR is exactly 8600? I've got precious little printed fo on this truck
to refute or confirm this info.Anybody got some reliable info they'd
mind passing along.It seems like there is very little difference in the
two,excepting the internals are a bit heavier in the Dana 50. I'd
appreciate your comments.TIA Randy 94
Bronco EB85 F-250 4x4
















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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 10:38:02 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - We Won! #1 Auto Site!

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has won the coveted Car Lounge #1
Automotive Site for the Summer of 98!

You can view the award (soon to be on our site) at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://carlounge.com/popular.htm

Many sites were nominated and its really rewarding for
me to see that Ford Truck Enthusiasts is appreciated.

Thanks to everyone who nominated Ford Truck Enthusiasts.
The online community we have, with the atmosphere created
by our list members, is great and I want to thank all the
members.

Ken Payne (grinning from ear to ear),
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 10:38:13 -0400
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-250

Beaman, James wrote:

> Scottie Schmidt wrote:
>
> > Is a regular 2 door F-250 ok for a 15 acre farm (plan on raising
> > alpacka, chickens,
> > and maybe a couple other animals)???
> >
> Yes, if you don't need a supercab for inside cargo or passenger space, a
> regular cab should be fine.

Agreed.

> > My grandparents only want to pay less than $11,000 for the truck. They
> > want it
> > to be newer than a 92 and have less than 65,000 miles, is this possible???
> >
> I don't think you will have a problem meeting these requirements if you go
> with a regular cab and the 351W engine. You may even be able to get an XLT
> for that price but you might prefer an XL for farm use anyway. One thing I
> would suggest would be to try to find a truck with a limited slip rear
> differential. It help keep you from getting stuck when driving around a
> muddy field.

I think there is one big place that Scottie can save money: the engine.
A 351W is overkill for most agricultural uses. The 300cid I-6 is
ideally suited to most farm use, and is plenty torquey for pulling tree
stumps and such. If you're hauling a gooseneck cattle trailer or
something that's a different story.

Curious: Why the 92-up requirement? Mechanically an 87-up should be
just about the same truck. The 92 is just a little different
sheet- metal wise. I have an 87 that looks almost identical under the
hood to a 94. That said, you can get an 87-ish truck for MUCH cheaper,
partially because they weren't very pretty trucks (shaped roughly like a
brick with about as many curves).

Rather than the limited slip diff, I'd suggest budgeting extra money for
tires and an ARB air locker. On an F250 4x4 you should be able to put
32" tires in there. If the truck is going to stay mostly on the farm,
I'd get some mud terrain tires. All-terrains might be more tolerable
if the truck will see a lot of street duty but won't be as "unstuckable"
as mud terrains. The ARB air locker in the back will let you use 2WD
90% of the time and 4WD just to get unstuck or drive through the really
sloppy stuff.

I do definitely like the F250 over the F150 for farm use. It rides a
little higher, and that extra ground clearance really helps (for
example, my 87 F250 2WD is about as high as an F150 4WD). The 4WD model
sits even higher. This is great for farm use because so often there are
obstacles that require maximum ground clearance. Like when driving
through a field, there is usually a pretty aggressive hike up going in
and drop off coming out.

Additionally, the load capacity is great. Throw 1500 pounds of feed in
the back of an F250 and all it does is make it handle better on the road
(and slow it down a little). In an F150 the bed will sag and handling
will suffer.

Also, look for the cheaper "working class" trucks. Vinyl bench seat, no
carpet (maybe a rubber mat), manual windows & locks... this is the kind
of truck that you can go out and clean the chicken coop, and then get
back in the truck without worrying about it getting dirty.

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Chris Hedemark - chris yonderway.com - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:53:48 -0400
From: "Chapman, David P"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - We Won! #1 Auto Site!

Ken - congratulations and thanks for all the hard work that you and your
wife put into this site! Of any site I've used on the Web, this one has
by far provided me with the most value.

Dave Chapman

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> Subject: FTE 80-96 - We Won! #1 Auto Site!
>
> Ford Truck Enthusiasts has won the coveted Car Lounge #1
> Automotive Site for the Summer of 98!
>
> You can view the award (soon to be on our site) at:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://carlounge.com/popular.htm
>
> Many sites were nominated and its really rewarding for
> me to see that Ford Truck Enthusiasts is appreciated.
>
> Thanks to everyone who nominated Ford Truck Enthusiasts.
> The online community we have, with the atmosphere created
> by our list members, is great and I want to thank all the
> members.
>
> Ken Payne (grinning from ear to ear),
> CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>
>
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:07:43 -0700
From: "Shivers, Bret"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FW-15 coolant additive

I recently reached 15K miles on my '97 Powerstroke, When I asked for a
bottle of FW-15 at a Ford dealership
I received a bottle of FW-16. This I was told replaced FW-15. Does
anyone know what changed / improved or was I given the wrong stuff?
Thanks, Bret Shivers
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:28:51 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Front Diff. Identity Crisis:-)

Randall Goolsby wrote:

> Gentlemen, I have an 85 F-250 4x4 that I'm trying to figure out the
> particulars on.The info I've gotten off the net is somewhat
> confusing.The front differential tag is missing;so much for the easy

Hey Randy,
Good to see you here too, from the bronco list. Here is a site one
of the guys found here on this list. It should tell you everything you need
to know.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.datasync.com/mclain/4x4.htm

Also, thanks for straightening me out on the neutral safety switch
thinga-ma-bob
issue :-)

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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