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61-79-list Digest Wed, 10 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 009

In This Issue:
Re: '71 F250 t-case
Re: Apology, plugs and hard starts
Tires for 79 F250
Re: Tires for 79 F250
Re: Tires for 79 F250
Vacuum Lines - Sources-
Emergency Brakes
Re: dual diaphram vacuum dist
Re: Vacuum Lines - Sources-
Re: Emergency Brakes
Buy your own vintage junkyard on ebay!
Re: Buy your own vintage junkyard on ebay!
Hey guys!

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From: "Phil Clements" <crusader arias.net>
Subject: Re: '71 F250 t-case
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:14:20 -0800


Blake,

> Can anyone tell me which NP transfer case a 1971 F250 4x4 sports custom
would > have?

Probably not an NP anything.  I'd bet it's a Dana 24 just like in my '72.  I
don't think the NP series t-cases came out until '73 (going on memory here)?
If it's a Dana 24 there is a tag on the lower side of the case just above
the drain plug.

Phil Clements
'72 F250 4X4, 429/C6

>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Ken Schneider" <fordemail sunsetcoast.com>
> Subject: Re: gas tank options
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:12:04 -0500
>
>
> for a simple fix for gas fumes, replace the rubber hose that goes from the
> tank to the filler neck, a $7.00 fix from either denniscarpenter or your
> local parts store.  IF you go to your local parts store (chain stores
don't
> have it) take your existing one with you, and they can cut fuel line to
fit.
>
> I had the same problem in my 68... Still have the tank in the cab
though...
>
> Ken Schneider
>
> 68 F100 Ranger 360/C6/3.25NL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Shelley Batty
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 9:26 PM
> To: 61-79-List Ford-Trucks. Com
> Subject: [61-79-list] gas tank options
>
>
>
> I would like to get the fuel tank out of the cab of my 66 F250.  I'm
getting
> some fumes in the cab, and it just doesn't seem like a really great spot
for
> gasoline anyway.  I would like to swap in a tank that will fit between the
> frame rails under the bed. Larger capacity would be nice as well.  Any
> suggestions for donor vehicles, or a tank that will fit fairly easily?  I
> think I saw on a web site somewhere that someone had install a 70's era
> suburban tank in a 60's Ford, and that it was a good fit.  Was this
someone
> from the list, or does anybody know where to find this web page again?
>
> Thanks for the help
>
> Thom Batty
> 66 F250 Utility
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:20:54 -0500
> From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
> Subject: ADMIN: Duplicate postings
>
>
> Are there users still experiencing duplicate postings?
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Payne
> Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: draco pacifier.com
> Subject: Re: Plugs and hard starts.
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:37:11 -0800 (PST)
>
>
> wish wrote:
> > I finally got the choke leaned out quite a bit and checked all the
> > timing/points that you would normally check, everything was dead on,
> > then I realized I hadn't touched the plugs in a while, though its
> > only got 10K on it since the rebuild.
>
> Bill, you are telling the story of my past couple of weeks.  I thought
> I got the choke set right and was running pretty well for a while.  It
> started idling rough again so I got some plugs as I also have 10K on
> my motor.  My result was somewhat different than yours though because
> one plug came out black and wet.  Compression check reveals 145-155 on
> all but that cylinder which got 75.  I am thinking I have a burned
> valve because before I put Sanderson headers on it I was fighting leaks.
> Anyway, off comes the head when I get some time.  (work is killing me
> right now)
>
> I am also not happy with the Accel silicone plug wires.  I can't seem
> to get them off the plugs without pulling the metal contact out of the
> wire.  I guess is is because the contact is clamped onto the silicone
> which is pretty soft.  Anybody have any suggestions for a good set of
> wires that might be more durable?
>
>
> Mark in Southwest Washington
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html
> --
> '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4
> in digest mode
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Ken Schneider" <fordemail sunsetcoast.com>
> Subject: Re: Plugs and hard starts.
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:13:11 -0500
>
>
> I had your exact problem with the Accel Wires, I have since bit the bullet
> and switched to MSD "blue" wires, which if memory serves me right run
around
> $50-60 a set.  Seems like they have a 5yr warranty against pull off.
>
> Anyone have experience with DEMON carbs?
>
>
> Ken Schneider
> 68 F100 Ranger 360/C6/3.25NL
> 88 CV 5.0/AOD
>
> >I am also not happy with the Accel silicone plug wires.  I can't seem
> >to get them off the plugs without pulling the metal contact out of the
> >wire.  I guess is is because the contact is clamped onto the silicone
> >which is pretty soft.  Anybody have any suggestions for a good set of
> >wires that might be more durable?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:17:28 -0800
> From: "Kenneth Whitman" <KennyW brightwood.com>
> Subject: Re: Excel wires
>
>
> I have had problems with the excel wires not coming off after 10,000 miles
because they were damaged by heat of the stock exhaust manifolds.  I dont
remember having that problem with oem wires just the custom excel wires.  I
wont be getting them any more.
>
> Kenny
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
> Subject: dual diaphram vacuum dist
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:17:48 -0600
>
> Rollie writes:  >>The PVS switches the ported vacuum to the distributor
advance over to
> manifold vacuum when the engine temperature reaches around 235 degrees.
This
> will advance the timing and speed the engine up in order to help cool it
> down. The vacuum supplied to the retard side of the dual diaphram is not
> effected with this particular setup.  <<
>
> OK..  Maybe you're correct in that it is 2 in and 1 out..  In that case
where does
> the line to the retard side of the dist come from??  If it comes from the
ported
> vacuum then wouldn't that negate any vacuum supplied to the adv side when
it
> is coming from ported??  Wouldn't the same be true if it comes from
manifold
> when the pvs directs the adv to be manifold??  Is one of the diaphram
sides
> larger than the other side so it overides the smaller side or something
like that??
> I'm not being controversal here, just trying to learn and understand.
>
>
> Azie Magnusson
> Ardmore, Al.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Garrett Nelson" <garrettnelson writeme.com>
> Subject: good plug wires
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:28:57 -0600
>
> I have the Accel 300+ race wires on my 390, they are great. They cost a
lot ($75 or so) but they have very low resistance and have a lifetime
warranty. They are 8.8 mm, I am very happy with mine. I got them from Summit
Racing.
>
> Garrett www.1966ford.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:23:59 EST
> Subject: Re: Plugs and hard starts.
>
>
> I just installed a set of Motor Craft Duraspark 8.5 mm wires on my mustang
> when I converted it to Duraspark.  These wires were at least 15 yrs old,
and
> were still soft, and came right off the plugs.  Im sure you can still find
> good motorcraft wires at the dealer.  The wires, dizzy, EIM, and harness
all
> came out of a 78 F-250 with a 400 (FTE content) And hooked up real nicely
to
> my Cleavland.  The reason I did all this was I just put that 400 into a 73
> F-250 that was wired for points, so I was gonna have to do a conversion, I
> might as well do it to the Stang Im keepin, and put the Stangs points dizy
in
> the 400.  Man I love interchangeability.....
>
> Darrell & Tweety
>
> ------------------------------
>
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From: "Phil Clements" <crusader arias.net>
Subject: Re: Apology, plugs and hard starts
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:23:09 -0800


Sorry I forgot to snip the last half of the digest from my last post!!!!

As to the plug wire issue, I use Jacob's wires.  I've had the same set on my
429 for over 12 years and they are still like new.  100% pure silicone,
vulcanized boots and lifetime guaranty - can't beat that.  They don't cost
any more than Accel, MSD, Taylor, or the others, and IMO, they are the best
on the market.

Phil
'72 F250 4X4, 429/C6



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From: MattandNati webtv.net (Matthew Summerfield)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:53:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Tires for 79 F250


Thanks for the info about the bedliner because I have been thinking
about buying the Duplicolor liner for a while and now I know not to.  I
will try the Herculiner liner even though it does cost more to begin
with it sounds like it will save me time and money in the long run.

I have been needing new tires for my truck for a long time now and I am
wanting to get the Super Swamper SSR does anyone know if these tires are
any good, I think that they would be but I don't have any experience
with them and I don't want to spend a lot of money on them if they won't
last, or if you know of an even better tire please let me know the
current size of tire that I have is 32x12.5 R16.5.  I am looking to buy
the same size.

Thanks Matt
79 F250 4x4


------------------------------

From: "Daniel Beiers" <dbeiers rmpprestress.com>
Subject: Re: Tires for 79 F250
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:23:00 -0700


They are great off-road.  They are pretty good on-road compared to other
swampers of the past....primarily due to the fact that they are radial.  If
you drive your truck on road a lot plan on buying new tires again relatively
soon...they wear quickly.  I have a set on my Jeep and they are wearing
nearly twice as fast as my previous bfg mud terrains did.  I drive my truck
on the road now so the tire life isn't a big deal to me anymore.  They are
the best radial I have seen for trail use though, I love them on the rocks
and loose terrain... never taken then into the mud.

Good Luck
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Matthew
Summerfield
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 4:54 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Tires for 79 F250



Thanks for the info about the bedliner because I have been thinking
about buying the Duplicolor liner for a while and now I know not to.  I
will try the Herculiner liner even though it does cost more to begin
with it sounds like it will save me time and money in the long run.

I have been needing new tires for my truck for a long time now and I am
wanting to get the Super Swamper SSR does anyone know if these tires are
any good, I think that they would be but I don't have any experience
with them and I don't want to spend a lot of money on them if they won't
last, or if you know of an even better tire please let me know the
current size of tire that I have is 32x12.5 R16.5.  I am looking to buy
the same size.

Thanks Matt
79 F250 4x4




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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:08:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Sullivan <trendsetter4life yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tires for 79 F250


Matt the swamper is a good tire to run in the mud and what not but on the street
they arnt much good and as for milege out of them good luck...I have never seen a
tire last more then say about20k worth of mud runs still streetable until 30-35K on
a big truck on little light trucks, and jeeps and what not there great that and they
are a pain to keep wearin correctly there is always something wearing faster..just
my thoughts on what i have delt with and seen around


chris

=====
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From: "Ken Schneider" <fordemail sunsetcoast.com>
Subject: Vacuum Lines - Sources-
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:34:55 -0500


Does anyone have a source for silicone vacuum lines?

Thanks,

Ken Schneider

68 F100 Ranger 360/C6/3.25NL


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From: Aeroape82 aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:35:37 EST
Subject: Emergency Brakes

I've got a question for the list I have a 78 F250 with about a 6" lift on it
I can not seem to locate Emer. Cables for it they are all to short.  If it
wern't for the state insp. I wouldn't need them.  If any one has any part #'s
or ideas feel free.  Thanks


Glenn   NY
78 F250  (talk about projects & headaches)



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From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: dual diaphram vacuum dist
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:03:24 -0800



>
> Rollie writes:  >>The PVS switches the ported vacuum to the
> distributor advance over to
> manifold vacuum when the engine temperature reaches around
> 235 degrees. This
> will advance the timing and speed the engine up in order to
> help cool it
> down. The vacuum supplied to the retard side of the dual
> diaphram is not
> effected with this particular setup.  <<
>
> OK..  Maybe you're correct in that it is 2 in and 1 out..  In
> that case where does
> the line to the retard side of the dist come from??  If it
> comes from the ported
> vacuum then wouldn't that negate any vacuum supplied to the
> adv side when it
> is coming from ported??  Wouldn't the same be true if it
> comes from manifold
> when the pvs directs the adv to be manifold??  Is one of the
> diaphram sides
> larger than the other side so it overides the smaller side or
> something like that??
> I'm not being controversal here, just trying to learn and
> understand.
>
>
> Azie Magnusson
> Ardmore, Al.
>
>
Yes according to the Ford factory manual circa 1976 the advance diaphram is
larger than the retard side.  I would guess that the retard side is
connected directly to manifold vacuum.  Isn't the ported vacuum level the
same as manifold vacuum once the throttle is off idle?

I guess it works like this: 2 diaphrams one 1 square inch the other 2 square
inches (numbers pulled out of ......... the air! for comparison ;-) ).  If
one side of each diaphram is subjected to absolute vacuum and the other has
atmospheric pressure on the other side (say 14 psi) then the larger diaphram
exerts 28 pounds of force and the smaller one exerts 14 pound of force.  The
larger diaphram wins.

Tom H.

------------------------------

From: "Keith" <a2jkeith gci.net>
Subject: Re: Vacuum Lines - Sources-
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:13:40 -0900


NAPA carries these products, if they arent readily available they are
through special order, check out www.napaonline.com or go in and ask them to
check their weatherhead hose and fitting book,
Keith
71 Tbird powered F250 4x4 390'
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Schneider <fordemail sunsetcoast.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 4:35 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Vacuum Lines - Sources-


>
>Does anyone have a source for silicone vacuum lines?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ken Schneider
>
>68 F100 Ranger 360/C6/3.25NL
>
>


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:27:11 -0600
Subject: Re: Emergency Brakes
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


> I've got a question for the list I have a 78 F250 with about a 6" lift on it
> I can not seem to locate Emer. Cables for it they are all to short.  If it
> wern't for the state insp. I wouldn't need them.  If any one has any part #'s
> or ideas feel free.  Thanks
>
>
> Glenn   NY
> 78 F250  (talk about projects & headaches)

Glenn,

I don't know about replacements, but you should be able to lengthen your
cables. Whether or not this acceptable depends on how rigorous the
inspection is. Here is what I have in mind:

1. Get 2 sets of emergency brake cables of the same rating suitable for your
truck.
2. Locate an area under your truck in the cable path where there are no
obstructions in the cable path.
3. Get some small u-bolt cable clamps. You might find these at Radio Shack
(may have to go to the catalog) or some place that sells TV antenna
hardware. An RV supply store might work. Motorcycles use lots of cables. A
motorcycle or other small engine shop might be a good source. Fence supply
store? They are little u-bolts similar to a muffler clamp, but they are
designed to splice guide (guy?) wire together.
4. Cut the brake cable set for your truck (not easily done) at the
appropriate place so that you can splice in an extension. I never have been
clear on where the cable sets you can get are short, but I am assuming they
are short before the split to each wheel.

You might want to practice on an old set of cables. There isn't any
compromise in safety as long as you are sure that the u-bolts won't hang up
on the floor pan, etc. and you install the u-bolts correctly.

Another option may involve the adjuster mechanism. Depending on how it is
attached to the cables, you may be able to install a second adjuster with a
length of cable.

Hope this gives you some options.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

------------------------------

From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Emergency Brakes
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:49:15 -0800


There are companies that will make you a custom cable too.  I was headed
that way but found what I needed at NAPA.  Don't have any info on them but
some parts stores may be able to direct you.  I know there is one in Ann
Arbor but forgot the name.  I would certainly recommend getting one made up
for your application as a much safer and reliable method.  Every place you
have an opening in a cable you introduce moisture and dirt.

BTW, once you get it installed, USE IT!  Otherwise you will be replacing it
in a few years again.

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> > I've got a question for the list I have a 78 F250 with about a
> 6" lift on it
> > I can not seem to locate Emer. Cables for it they are all to
> short.

> I don't know about replacements, but you should be able to lengthen your
> cables.


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:30:59 -0600
Subject: Re: Emergency Brakes
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


> I would certainly recommend getting one made up
> for your application as a much safer and reliable method.

I heartily agree.

> Every place you
> have an opening in a cable you introduce moisture and dirt.

??? My cable runs out in the open. I do agree that cuts and splices will
expose raw steel to the elements. A little silicone sealer placed
judiciously would take care of this exposure. I often forget about rust and
corrosion concerns as I am blessed to live an area where this is not a
problem.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

------------------------------

From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
Subject: Buy your own vintage junkyard on ebay!
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:19:00 -0800


Looks like someone is getting out of the old car business.  Lots of real
cool stuff in there, including a lot of Henry's stuff (a Unibody and a '59
or '60 F100...)  Evidently it's going as one lot. Current bid with no
reserve: $1026.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=538242529
Here is a link to pictures.  Worth a look, just to see the old cars.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://communities.msn.com/glnsrpr



------------------------------

From: "Ken Schneider" <fordemail sunsetcoast.com>
Subject: Re: Buy your own vintage junkyard on ebay!
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:19:50 -0500


If only the land went with it... That is a bunch to move....  Wound be nice
though!

I've always wanted my own vintage recycling yard, no permits are available
where I live....

Hey we need Official Private FTE yards in each region of the country to
store our finds....  Anyone have some land they would be willing to donate
for this purpose?

Ken Schneider
68 F100 Ranger 360/C6/3.25NL
88 CV 5.0EFI/AOD


>Looks like someone is getting out of the old car business.  Lots of real
>cool stuff in there, including a lot of Henry's stuff (a Unibody and a '59
>or '60 F100...)  Evidently it's going as one lot. Current bid with no
>reserve: $1026.
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=538242529
>Here is a link to pictures.  Worth a look, just to see the old cars.
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://communities.msn.com/glnsrpr





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From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:04:21 EST
Subject: Hey guys!


How are y'all! I haven't posted in awhile, been busy w/ school and workin 4
jobs! Yikes! ANyways, just wanted to share something w/ y'all! It has a lil
FTE content in it, but not much. I work on farm crew at my local college and
all us farm people decided to get matching decals that go across our
windshield that say "Farm Crew Racing" w/ a picture of a farm and silo next
to it. They are soooo cool! In addition we all have our names made onto
decals on our back windows. In our area we have a plethora of "rice rockets"
so to speak that always seem to have some import racing crew decals
everywhere so we are showing our farm pride! LOL Anyways, FTE content: we all
have trucks, almost all of which are FORDS! It's funny because when ya come
to the farm there may be 10 trucks parked their and not a single person is
home LOL Anyways, I hope all is well with y'all! Yes, Ford Filly is still
alive and buckin, oh oh oh and I just bought a new Cobra 25 NWST cb so my
ancient relic can be replaced LOL I am also in the process of gettin
personalized license plates for my truck that say either "4DFILLY" or ....


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