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> I wouldn't worry about it, most that I have seen do not run a regulator or Tire fill stations typically operate off of the cycling pressure of the compressor. A filter will keep water out of your compressed air. If water is a problem, use a filter designed to remove it. My portable systems that I use to inflate tires and air shocks runs straight off of the tank. On the gasoline powered unit, the engine runs continuously. It has a pop off valve that cycles between 100 and 75 psi. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Richard Larsen" <richlars burgoyne.com>
Subject: Re: Cleaning Parts what's your favorite trick Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:51:16 -0700 OK, I'm poised and ready to duck. ;-) With all this talk of the hazards of most solvents, I have been surprised to see that nobody has mentioned some of the newer water soluble cleaners. I have always used mineral spirits, but I have noticed that Harbor Freight has a solvent that is water soluble stacked next to their parts washers. I haven't tried any yet, but was curious what those that have tried it thought of it. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:53:38 -0800 From: dave Prasse <burgess4 gte.net>
Subject: Re: 385 series motors Greg Schnakenberg wrote: > The 87 up motors are not any good unless you just have to have EFI. they > have wimpy ports and are just generally weak performers. I have a magazine article somewhere in my files(or is that piles ? :-) ), in which the engine builder ported a set of EFI heads and got them flowing better than cast CJ heads . Said the exhaust port is much better than the originals . I'll see if I can find the article . dave Prasse > Greg S. > > ============================================================= > To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:44:56 -0500 From: George Selby <gselby4x4 earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Q-jet/ 460 At 02:12 PM 3/16/01 -0500, you wrote: >Are you sure they were Qjets? Ford has it's own spread bore pattern which >is not compatible with the Rochester, Holley or Thermoquad. This is the >most common 460 manifold but also the most useless for most of us who want >to use after market carbs. It is totally Ford proprietary and only the >stock Ford carb will work with it. I have a 73 and a 77 460, and they both have the Motorcraft 4300/4350 carb (the one with the oddball pattern) It is actually a Holley squarebore pattern, but the secondaries stick out beyond the mounting studs, precluding the use of a standard squarebore Holley as there will still be two large air gaps between the manifold and the secondaries beside the carb. I kinda like the carb, because it has HUGE secondaries, and is otherwise just like a 2100/2150 carb (uses the same jets and accel pump.) They get good mileage due to small primaries as long as you stay out of the secondaries. They are a pain to rebuild, however. I have one on my 82 Jeep Cherokee, got the carb and manifold off a 78, looks totally factory and even has all the emission stuff plugged into the exact same places on the manifold and carb. It really woke up the Jeep when I converted from a 2150 carb to a 4350. Weiand makes an adaptor to fit a 4350 onto a squarebore manifold (its in the PAW catalog,) so I have to believe that flipping this adaptor over will allow a squarebore to work on the stock manifold. They do this by using longer studs and running them through the spacer and you bolt the whole assembly down. The typical square/spread adaptor will not work, as it uses one set of bolts for the manifold, and another for the carb. George Selby 70 F-100 Ranger XLT 400 C6 78 F-150 4x4 400 4 spd 86 Nissan 300ZX 92 Subaru Legacy Wagon AWD gselby4x4 earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.usedcarsandparts.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:15:03 -0800 (PST) From: kerry corey <fansong9 yahoo.com>
Subject: records software, timing for 351m (78) Two seperate questions: 1. As I (gradually) rebuild my f-150, I need to find an easy record keeping program to put $, dates, etc. into. This will be helpful if somebody hits me and wants to give me the proverbial $50 any "old vehicle" is worth, or to explain to upscale neighbors that I really wouldn't be better with a slightly newer Hyundai as higher status and newer parts. Any thoughts as to Access templates, shareware, etc? I'm sure I can build one in Access but would rather find one (probably better) ready made. 2. I have a 351m in a 1978 F-150. I believe the engine is a replacement. 2bbl Motorcraft, Duraspark electronic, AT, PS, no A/C, no cat, dual exhaust (no headers) PCV valve and ONE vacuum line from distributor port to intake manifold exist, lots of bolt holes and capped off vacuum lines, no diagram decals, 49 state. Any ideas as to a good timing start point? I'm not concerned about emissions inspection, etc., just a good running engine. It has never run well since I got it, despite all the usual suspects changed...plugs, wires, cap/rotor (many times), coil, ign. module, carb, all filters, using good quality parts, silicon grease, etc. THANKS! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Desanto, Phillip" <pdesanto Cinergy.com>
Subject: Tonneau's and tailshaft's Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:07:19 -0500 << Well, I still have not decided what carb I should put on my F-350 >> A few guys on here have tried Quadrajets with pretty good luck from what they've said. I'm gonna try one on my 351w, once I get it running. Those small primaries look pretty good to me. _____________________________________________________________________ <From: "Tim G" <oldfords blazenetme.net>
<Subject: Tonneau covers <Does anybody know what brand the tonneau cover is that LMC has in their current <catalog at the bottom of page 48? It's the velcro stepside shortbed one for 51-72. I'd <like to look at one locally before ordering. Tim, there's a place in KY that I got a catalog from. They specialize in "classic" trucks and make both hard and soft covers. I'll dig it up when I get home and post it Saturday. ______________________________________________________________________ >Subject: C-6 tailhousings >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 >Jeff writes: >>Were the C6 tail housings different between cars and trucks??<< >NO!!! On 2wd trucks and cars they are the same.................... The only CARS that I know of that are different, are the "big" T-Birds. I have a C-6 at home from a 76 / 460, and it's got a big funky looking double sided trans mount on it. The tailhousing actually sets "down" in a cradle type mount. I assume the big Lincoln's of the same vintage are the same way. ?? Later, Phil ( 64 F-100...still not done ) ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: compressors and tire fillers Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:12:48 -0800 I would not run any oilers etc. on that line but the line from the tank should be sufficient. There should be very little oil or water in there to cause trouble if you drain your tank like you are supposed to. I have different drops for each application, one has a filter/dryer for paint, another is open and another has the oil mist and water seperator. Don't let Erik hear this but I cheat all the time and use the oil line on tires. I do agree with Erik on that issue though, just being lazy. -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > Do tire fillers need a filter/regulator, or can I safely hook the > tire filler hose straight to a pipe drop? System pressure on > the unit is the usual 125 psi... > > --sean ------------------------------ From: "Desanto, Phillip" <pdesanto Cinergy.com>
Subject: Q-jets on Fords Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:13:46 -0500 That Q-jet in the mid 70's Ford's was a Carter built Quadrajet. I've seen em on T-birds and Lincolns. I don't know if they were used on the LTD's or not....probably. Phil ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <<< I could have sworn mid-70's Lincoln's that had the 460's in them ran Q-jet carbs (dont' know if it was rochester or not) but I've come across at least a half dozen Q-jet cast manifolds on ebay- one that I picked up with carb and all for like $30 bucks. Tony Marino ------------------------------ From: "Don Jones" <twistedhand hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cleaning Parts what's your favorite trick Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:14:42 > > > with all this talk of parts cleaner, I think we should all have a > > moment of > > silience and remember back to the good ole days before big brother > > determined that VARSOL was bad for polywogs and newt darters! > > You cant get varsol there anymore?? It's still available here in Canada. I like using an alkaline- type cleaner. It comes in gallon jugs and you dilute it with water depending on the job your doing. Its an industrial cleaner but i have used it for parts and carb cleaning with good success. I have even used it to remove old undercoating and boiled oil-fowled spark plugs in it. since its mixed with water, there is no flammability problems. Don Jones 1970 f-250 4x4 ~Fordzilla~ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ From: "Desanto, Phillip" <pdesanto Cinergy.com>
Subject: Ford's dirty little secret ? Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:21:45 -0500 Eric, can you buy or borrow a Q-jet base gasket and see if it matches your intake? The Carter Q-jet was a dead ringer for the Rochester. But the Ford spreadbore ( 4150 ?) is a whole different animal, and not a good choice either. No aftermarket support at all. Phil ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How do I know if I've got the proprietary Ford spread bore pattern or a more standard spread bore pattern on my current 460 intake? I don't want to buy a spread bore carb only to have it not fit cause its the Ford design. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Cleaning Parts what's your favorite trick Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:25:46 -0800 I am going to do what the EPA says is legal and heat my shop with it. Waste oil burners are legal for home shops and shops where all waste oil is generated on the property as in oil changes etc. but not legal to ship in or out except to a recycler. I'm going to use my old garage 275 gal tank along with fuel oil and simply dump waste oil in it. The research I've done so far actualy says you can even burn antifreeze this way but not from the tank, you set it in a can inside the combustion chamber, the water evaporates and the glycol burns....COOL! :-) Been thinking about this a long time but when the LP gas prices trippled this year that was the last straw. You can buy simple gravity kits for $250 or pump kits for $600 or complete stove kits for a little more. I already have the perfect oil/wood stove I built myself and it will do the job very nicely. The nice thing about these is that you can also use them as an incinerator to burn the oil out of the filters and then filters can go to the iron recyclers along with old engines etc... The method I was given by one source even allows for burning up water soluable solutions, most of which are, in themselves, burnable. One thing you absolutely can not burn though is gasoline or alchohol or low flash mineral spirits etc. except in very small quantities and most say NONE period. I will do some more research on this before I say any more :-) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > How do you guys dispose of these 'degreasing cocktails'? I have > a bucket of > 'engine shampoo' and water in my garage now and it ain't going > into my back > yard. I have a well and I'm not going to take the chance. > > Tom H. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Diesel fuel Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:28:03 -0800 Yes and all the MSDS's also had a line which stated what kind of method could ignite them. Most said TCB or TTB or TBB or something like that which I have no clue about but I'm familiar with this a little so didn't pay much attention. -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > >IF diesel fuel is so flammable why do you need about 14 to 1 > compression to > >burn it > > Remember that's to burn Diesel WITH NO SPARK AT ALL, it just > injects and burns. > > George Selby ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Cleaning Parts what's your favorite trick Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:32:58 -0800 If this is a caustic material you better be careful about using it on carbs. Aluminum is very chemically active and will be damaged by caustic materials and acidic material too. Some of these cleaner are primarily made of Potassium Hydroxide or Sodium Hydroxide which are very chemically active. Read the precautions on the jug before using them on aluminum parts. -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > I like using an alkaline- type cleaner. > It comes in gallon jugs and you dilute it with water depending > on the job > your doing. Its an industrial cleaner but i have used it for > parts and carb > cleaning with good success. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Mineral Spirits vs Fuel Oil Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:34:49 -0800 They were all compared to a base material, Butyl something or other. -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > Gary, > were there units for any of those numbers? Without knowing what the unit > is or what they're measuring it's hard to know if a large number > is good or > bad for what we are talking about. > > Tom H. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Q-jet 460 Carbs / manifolds Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:57:35 -0800 Well, if it doesn't say quadrajet on the carb then........As far as I know these are all Holley's of some kind and are quite obviously ford stock items. The Qjet is quite differnt in appearance and operation and has a vacuum operated baffle on top of the secondaries which I've never seen on a ford carb. Don't know the actual pattern dimensions so can't really help you with this but if you try to put any of the "other" spread bore types on a ford manifold the difference will be obvious. All other makes of spread bores fit the Qjet pattern. -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > How do I know if I've got the proprietary Ford spread bore pattern or a > more standard spread bore pattern on my current 460 intake? > > I don't want to buy a spread bore carb only to have it not fit cause its > the Ford design. I don't know what year my motor is since it was swapped > in before I bought the truck. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: records software, timing for 351m (78) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:04:22 -0800 I develop in Access and have an invoice program I'm fooling with but not really suited for what you want to do. I could probably build one pretty quick if you give me a list of all the data parts you want to store and a hint as to the relationship of each (Groupings) etc.. I'm developing in Access 2000 only at this point. I tried to load 97 and 2000 on the same machine and that was a HUGE mistake! :-( I'll have to throw another puter together to run 97 I guess :-) If you send me the list of data you want to keep track of I will try to throw something together and mail it to you. This one will be on me :-) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > as to Access templates, shareware, etc? I'm sure I can > build one in Access but would rather find one > (probably better) ready made. ------------------------------ From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: records software, timing for 351m (78) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:10:07 -0800 No wonder you're broke...;-) /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ ----- Original Message ----- From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 6:04 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: records software, timing for 351m (78) > If you send me the list of data you want to keep track of I will try to > throw something together and mail it to you. This one will be on me :-) > > -- > Happily Retired (but broke) > Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, > 78 Bronco Loving, Gary ------------------------------ From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: Re: records software, timing for 351m (78) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:29:50 -0800 (PST) > Two seperate questions: > 1. As I (gradually) rebuild my f-150, I need to find > an easy record keeping program to put $, dates, etc. > into. This will be helpful if somebody hits me and > wants to give me the proverbial $50 any "old vehicle" > is worth, or to explain to upscale neighbors that I > really wouldn't be better with a slightly newer > Hyundai as higher status and newer parts. Any thoughts > as to Access templates, shareware, etc? I'm sure I can > build one in Access but would rather find one > (probably better) ready made. I keep records on my truck as an asset in Quicken. That is why when I say I have $8.5K into my truck so far I am not just pulling some number out of thin air. It is also really handy when you need to get something you bought before but can't remember how much it cost or where you got it. Mark in Southwest Washington http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html -- '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4x4 ------------------------------ From: "John" <69crewcab delnet.nasdsl.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 101 21:20:12 EST Subject: Looking for Driveshaft Group I'm looking for a rear driveshaft for a 69 F-250 CrewCab 4x4... is there something else i can use or does it need to be from a crew cab ..I know my wheelbase is 149 so i'm assuming that makes a difference. ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Mineral Spirits vs Fuel Oil Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:00:55 -0500 If I were to haul this stuff in 55 gal drums I would feel safer with fuel > oil ========================================================= 55 gallon drums you oughta try hauling it by the tanker full of over 5000 gallons with no baffles in the tank gordon ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: records software, timing for 351m (78) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:02:27 -0800 If you could see what I'm working on for Ford right now you would understand that this little job is very small by comparison and won't take much time so I can offer it as a friendly gesture and as a way to make someone else aware of what can be done with this program. You can hard code in "C" and make it a little faster but it's a whole lot of work. My biggest problem is keeping up with Billy Bob's stupid, arbitrary syntax changes which require complete over haul of the code every time they upgrade. They keep eliminating code that worked fine because they want the name to fit some new pattern they dreamed up so you have to go through the whole thing and rename everyting or change the spelling or add a dot to every instance etc.. That's what I'm doing right now, overhauling code in an old version to work in 2000 which systems will be downloading some bright Monday morning with little or no warning so I kind of have a deadline but we don't know when it is....... Throwing a form and a few tables together is a piece a cake, getting all the code to do something elegant is a whole nuther smoke :-) I've mulled over the idea of doing this professionally but don't know if I want to mess up my retirement:-) No time for my trucks you see :-) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > No wonder you're broke...;-) > > > If you send me the list of data you want to keep track of I will try to > > throw something together and mail it to you. This one will be on me :-) > > > > -- > > Happily Retired (but broke) > > Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, > > 78 Bronco Loving, Gary ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Mineral Spirits vs Fuel Oil Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:07:51 -0800 I'd say I'd like the tank to be completely full in that case :-) Let's see, 5000 gal at about 6.5#/gal is.....32500# or 17.25 tons and if it could slosh around a little every time you turned a corner..........Ever try to haul two large horses in a 1/2 ton (a real 1/2 ton) truck? They get to singing to themselves and weaving back and forth to the music, first one then the other starts in and ..........Whoa Nellie! Now throw a two horse trailer on back and let them start and...... -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > you oughta try hauling it by the tanker full of over 5000 gallons with no > baffles in the tank > gordon ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Mineral Spirits vs Fuel Oil Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:16:09 -0500 I'd say I'd like the tank to be completely full in that case :-) Let's see, > 5000 gal at about 6.5#/gal is.....32500# or 17.25 tons =================================================== try 8.5 lbs to a gallon for weight at least thats the way we have it figured YES i have hauled livestock not horses tho try 6 full grown hosteins in a 1 1/2 ton old international harvestor truck had so much weight with them the lug nuts all tried comming off of the wheels gordon ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: records software, timing for 351m (78) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:15:38 -0800 Replying to my own post (must be bored :-))) The reason I began programming was bordom then I realized that most programs I tried to use didn't do what I wanted them to so I began programming data bases and now have settled on Access since it comes with almost all Microslop business software and have grown to like it except for the stupid code upgrade thing.... Ready made programs almost always require you to wade through a whole bunch of useless menus to get to what you want and almost always require you to enter data you don't care about as well.......enter the custom application :-) Ever fill out a web info page to get some info packet and find that the "Business" name was a required field? I just type in "Happily Retired" but I shouldn't have to give them any more info than necessary to mail the stupid packet......irritating :-( -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > > as to Access templates, shareware, etc? I'm sure I can > > build one in Access but would rather find one > > (probably better) ready made. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Mineral Spirits vs Fuel Oil Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:26:32 -0800 I used to work on a farm truck that hauled sheep and one day we had to replace a bunch of lugs because when this guy went to market it wasn't with one little pig it was with 20-30 sheep packed in his little stake truck. They do have limits :-) He sheared off a bunch. Don't recall if the wheels actually fell off or not now, that was 38 years ago or so :-) Escorts have limits too. I see kids using them for pickups and one I know lost his rear wheel when all the lugs sheared off. -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > YES i have hauled livestock not horses tho try 6 full grown > hosteins in a 1 > 1/2 ton old international harvestor truck had so much weight with them the > lug nuts all tried comming off of the wheels > gordon ------------------------------ From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" <tim-pam williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Good Samaratins Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:46:35 -0500 I know what you are saying about Chevrolet(Cheap Heap Every Valve Rattles Oil Leaks Everytime Too) O.k.-thats enough Chevy bashing. Everyone has their preferance. I once worked on my Son-in -Laws '91 chevy Blazer. The steering column had come apart down inside where the "tilt" joint was. What a nitemare that was. The bolts had backed themselves out & it came apart at the joint. A body shop man had told me that this was a common problem for them because for some reason they don't put any locktite on the bolts from the factory. He said he has done many of them because of that. He was nice enough to lend me his special tools for a day & we tore it apart ourselves. needless to say-those bolts have lock-tite on them now. We struggled with it & got it back together & it works even. Neither one of us had done it before. saved him a bunch of money & we bothed learned something from it. that was about 4 months ago,still working like a charm. -----Original Message----- From: Keith <a2jkeith gci.net>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:07 AM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Good Samaratins >---------------------------------------------------------- >Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing >touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store: >http://www.motorhaven.com/ >---------------------------------------------------------- > >well, today I have had the distinct "honor" of working on a Chevrolet(Chews >Heads Eats Valves Races Only Little Electric Trains) in the name of >friendship. I tell ya, it was a most disgruteling thing, but let me tell ya. >Working on a doggone 92 Blazer, has really made me appreciate the ease of >working on my 71 F250. The room I have to move around(high boy) and the >simplicity of the wrench turning. My buddy called and told me a shop was >trying to charge him $700.00+ to change out a fuel pump. Granted it is an in >tank pump but ya know, I really dislike the way that all these shops are >really taking advantage of people. They seem to look for the average joe, >who appears to be a sucker, and try to take them for a ride. Well, tell ya >what, I have vented enough but let me tell ya something, Take time to help >people out with their rigs, ofton times it will repay you in ways that you >cant imagine. And a special thanks to Eric Marquez and Matt Schumacher >(Schu) for all your help with my truck in the past, (and for that to come, >hehehe, hint hint hint) No really guys, I appreciate all the help I get from >people on this list, you guys are lifesavers. >Keith&Clifford >71F250 4x4 > >============================================================= >To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. > ------------------------------ From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: Re: balance Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:30:59 -0500 > From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
If you loose any of the springs in the clutch disk or pressure plate you can get some serious vibration Remember all the clutch parts except the disk rotate with the engine even when depressed. 78 Bronco Loving, Gary I have just returned from a road trip (Aloha) and haven't read all my FTE mail on this subject yet. I have a couple of Ideas on your problem but will wait to read all the answers to your question before I chime in. I dont think Gary is ever really wrong in his responces, but, like me, get's his answers a little mixed up sometimes ;) If the springs are loose in a clutch disc, that is, if they are "jiggly" or have any play in them, your truck wont even move. Or at the least, it will feel like a bad pressure plate; it will slip like crazy just trying to take off from a stand still. To be honest, I dont know why, but I can guarantee you this, it wont cause a vibration with the clutch pedal depressed and the clutch disc not rotating. I dont think even a disloged 1/4 ounce spring from the clutch disk caught up in the pressure plate would cause the vibration you describe considering the rotating mass of the ballancer, crank, flywheel etc. But, I'll await my final opinion until I read all my FTE email. Sorry Gary, you are such a perfectionist, I just had to point this out :)) As to the loose clutch disk springs, I have pulled 3 brand new clutches with this problem. I replaced just the disk, and everything was fine. In advance, to answer the simple questions, yes they were installed, aligned and adjusted correctly. I could never figure it out as to why. Other mechanics I've talked to expierienced this problem as well, mainly with remanufactured clutch disks. I know what the clutch springs function is SUPPOSED to be, being sandwitched between two pieces of friction material seperated by a thin piece of metal. But I cant explain why loose springs would cause a clutch not to engage. Any Ideas? Rich ------------------------------ From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: Fastener Torque - was: ford plugs Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 02:40:47 -0500 > > From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
> Subject: Re: Fastener Torque - was: ford plugs > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:37:11 -0800 > > > Retorquing requires that you loosen the bolt first then re-tighten it if it > doesn't move the first try I have to question this. Other than saying your wrong, I have never read or heard of this statement. The simple fact is that torque is a rough means to get the same "Tension" on > all the bolts and must assume that all bolts will have the same resistance > to turning in the threads Correct, sorta. I just have to say this. I LOOVEE to hear the why as to how things work. I cant explain or dis explain why THE BOOK says to do this or that. I can tell you this, you go by your own expieriences with YOUR vehichles and try to apply it across the the board to the average Customer, or Joe Shmoe, your gonna get screwed someday!! I can spend all day telling you stories of how DUMB mechanic's got screwed over by listneing to a person who has 2 or 3 versions of a manufacturers product and can explain everything based on comon sence and their expierience. Heck, I'm probably guilty of the same biased attitude))). I guess you can consider "The Book" as an average of the two extreems. A stupid example here, front end alignement, Garys' bronco calls for X number of degrees of Caster and Camber for the front end Alignement. This is based on a factory Bronco, averaging X number of degrees slope from the center of the road to the side etc, which can vary from state to state, county to county. I'm guessing Ford based this decision on an average wheight person in the drivers side AND a passenger in the right side seat. Well, guess what, lets say Gary weighs 290 and never carries a passenger. I set up his Bronco to the factory alignement settings. He claims his truck pulls to the left so I must not know what I'm doing. Is the book wrong? For the average joe mechanic, the book can protect his A**. Any problems arrise, he can point to the BOOK in his defence. I have ran in to this several times ( 230 lb woman in a volkswagon Rabbit ) Common sence applies here. Sorry for ranting here, must be that 5 hour time zone difference from HI. By the way, this re-torque issue has been over engineered. Does the book say re-torque the specified bolts/nuts hot or cold. Thats all ya gatta know! DO NOT back them off! I'm not saying that it will hurt anything if you do, but that is not the intent from the factory. This does not apply to the newer cars and trucks in all situations, BUT, as far as we are concerned with our older trucks, all I can say is trust me, warm the sucker up and turn your torque wrench to the the specified value. + or - 5 % of course "))) Well, based on the length of your extinsion add 5 lbs per 5 inch, right??, are you using a universial adapter etc.. it's all relative. > It's been brought up in previous discussions also that there is a difference > in oils too. The spec calls for plain motor oil in all cases. Graphite > oils and other special oils will nullify the torque numbers required to get > the correct results. I use anti-seize and don't worry about it's lube > properties in most cases except when installing internal engine parts in > which case I use the same oil that is going in the engine on every bolt or > nut. Again, the "Lightly" thing only has application where there is a blind > hole involved to prevent hydro locking before the bolt becomes tight on it's > own. You could tighen a bolt and nut in a vat of oil and it would make no > difference to the outcome once "some" oil is applied "Lightly" to the > threads. Even if your using vasoline, if the the treads are clean, is this even an issue as far as torque is concerned? (not counting hydrolock here) Does the difference in torque in a 3/8 hardned bolt and nut using "light 30wt" oil vrs "STP Heavy" lubricant really warrant a different torque spec? Again, I'm thinking as the average person on this list putting his first, 5th, 15th or hypo motor together. Thats why there is a variance in the specs, ALL specs. Growing up, I tried everything from STP, vasoline, several weights of oil, engine assembly lube, even cam assembly lube putting together motors, just to see what may work better than the other. Bottom line, if you build a short block that is going to set for awhile, use a thick lube on the bearing journals and stand it on end. If your going to build a motor and run it soon, use your favorite brand of oil for the whole assembly. Bolts and .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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