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61-79-list Digest Thu, 08 Mar 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 076

In This Issue:
Preload
Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all Ford/Merc/Lincoln
Re: Rear springs
Carb Identification?
Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all
Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all Ford/Merc/Lincoln
Re: Block Questions
Re: Carb Identification?
Re: Carb Identification?
Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all
Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all Ford/Merc/Lincoln
Re: Block Questions
Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all
Re: D60 (Torque)
Re: Carb Identification?
Re: Carb Identification?
Re: Carb Identification?
Gas tank question
Re: Carb Identification?
Re: Carb Identification?
CJ checking in from New Zealand
Re: My outburst
The Economics of Ford Trucks
Re: Mechanics' bandages
Re: Mechanics' bandages
Re: Mechanics' bandages
Re: My outburst
Classifieds
Re: Ranger 302
Re: radiator
Married Tcase
Re: My outburst
Unibody tailgate

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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Preload
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:23:51 -0600

Gary writes:  >>....  This last is in response to the idea
that you torque the bearings to 50# and leave them there as some believe
(which is totally wrong of course).<<

Oh I agree totally...  Too much preload on a tapered roller is absolutely
an unwanted situation, as is too much clearance(or too loose).  The
thing I always try for is to be able to "feel" slight movement up/down
after everything is buttoned up.  I've redone several after I thought
I had it just right with the 1st nut torqued, when I installed the 2nd
nut and torqued it, because I didn't like the way it "felt".  Perfection
would dictate no movement this point, but I feel like the bearings/
races and everything will heat up a bit under use and expand enough
to take up a slight bit of slack.  Maybe not, but I would think so.  I'd
rather be a bit loose than a bit too tight.


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:02:56 EST
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all Ford/Merc/Lincoln

In a message dated 3/8/2001 4:13:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
vze259s7 verizon.net writes:


> I think it should be  1968 - 1969  and 1970 - 1971

Granted the bodies are different, but not by much, and as far as I know, the
chassis is identical between them all.

Darrell & Tweety



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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:07:05 EST
Subject: Re: Rear springs

In a message dated 3/8/2001 4:32:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bbeyer pacifier.com writes:


> Gotta luv them 'mogs...
>
>

Im sure your all used to hearing this, but..... I had a crazy idea that some
of those cool unimog axles under an early Bronco would be pretty darn cool.
But hey, if I had the money and space to build all My projects, and drove
each one only for a day, Id never drive the same vehicle twice in 6
months.....

Darrell & Tweety



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Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:36:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Finn <ecfinn yahoo.com>
Subject: Carb Identification?


Can anyone help me identify this carb?  The problem is that I bought my
'79 F-350 with a swapped in 460 (stock was the 351M) and I don't know what
the motor came out of.  I also don't know what carb this is?  I spent a
good two hours one saturday looking over the pics available on the holley
website and trying to match up the numbers and I couldn't come up with
anything.  I've got five good pics here...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/ecfinn/F350/carb01.jpg
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/ecfinn/F350/carb02.jpg
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/ecfinn/F350/carb03.jpg
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/ecfinn/F350/carb04.jpg
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/ecfinn/F350/carb05.jpg

The only number I can make out on the carb is 2168. You can just see it in
pic #5.  The problem is that I think this carb needs rebuilt and I don't
want to just start ordering rebuild kits if I can't identify it, or at
least get close, before I order.

Any help/suggestions?

Thanks,

Eric Finn
'78 Bronco "The Beast" (Project in progress again...)
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Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:50:32 -0500
From: "William D. Poudrier" <vze259s7 verizon.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all


I have 3 shop manuals a 1967, a 1969, and a 1970.  The 1969 and
1970 on a station wagon anyway are identical in chassis dimensions.
If you go by chassis dimensions I am then incorrect.  The 1967 is
about 6 inches shorter.  Most catalogs lump 66 - 71 all together.
I often make mistakes, but I am never wrong 8*)  Good catch...

What I do not see lumped in here is the mercury montego which shares this
body except for the sheet metal akin to the fairlanes.

In 1974 I think the cougar joined the Torino as well when the mustang
shrank and the Cougar became larger and was Mercurys answer to
the LTD II.  HEY, I should get another point for the LTD II, and one
for the montego.  Hey I like this game 8*)

We also gotta fix the Cougar listing.


At 08:02 PM 3/8/01 -0500, you wrote:
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>In a message dated 3/8/2001 4:13:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>vze259s7 verizon.net writes:
>
>
> > I think it should be  1968 - 1969  and 1970 - 1971
>
>Granted the bodies are different, but not by much, and as far as I know, the
>chassis is identical between them all.
>
>Darrell & Tweety
>
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:02:13 EST
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all Ford/Merc/Lincoln

In a message dated 3/8/2001 5:54:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
vze259s7 verizon.net writes:


> I have 3 shop manuals a 1967, a 1969, and a 1970.  The 1969 and
> 1970 on a station wagon anyway are identical in chassis dimensions.
> If you go by chassis dimensions I am then incorrect.  The 1967 is
> about 6 inches shorter.  Most catalogs lump 66 - 71 all together.
> I often make mistakes, but I am never wrong 8*)  Good catch...
>
> What I do not see lumped in here is the mercury montego which shares this
> body except for the sheet metal akin to the fairlanes.
>
> In 1974 I think the cougar joined the Torino as well when the mustang
> shrank and the Cougar became larger and was Mercurys answer to
> the LTD II.  HEY, I should get another point for the LTD II, and one
> for the montego.  Hey I like this game 8*)


Anybody else starting to realize just how easy trucks are?  Im almost scared
to start doin the cars.  But with a 70 Torino GT Conv in my garage, its only
an almost.  Better believe I'll be on a Torino list!

Darrell & Tweety



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From: "Tim Bowman" <tkbowman qwest.net>
Subject: Re: Block Questions
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:04:48 -0800


You can't tell the engine type by the valve cover as they are generally
interchangeable.

You can tell the difference between a 352 and a 390 by removing the coil
wire, removing 1 spark plug and inserting an official measuring devise like
a small dowel or a stiff wire.  Hand crank the engine over and measure the
stroke.  If it's 3.5 it's a 352 or 360; if it's 3.75 it's a 390.  There are
also some other truck displacement combinations.

Hope this will help settle it.

BTW, I'd keep the Tbird valve covers, they look really nice in chrome.

Tim Bowman
tkbowman qwest.net
website: www.users.qwest.net/~tkbowman
(Pacific NW Carshow information & more)


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From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Carb Identification?
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:12:38 -0800

Get that List# and call a good parts place or email Holley and they'll be
able to get you the right rebuild kit. It looks like a basic 4160 to me.

/// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Finn" <ecfinn yahoo.com>
To: "FTE" <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 5:36 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Carb Identification?


> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing
> touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
> http://www.motorhaven.com/
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Can anyone help me identify this carb?  The problem is that I bought my
> '79 F-350 with a swapped in 460 (stock was the 351M) and I don't know what
> the motor came out of.  I also don't know what carb this is?  I spent a
> good two hours one saturday looking over the pics available on the holley
> website and trying to match up the numbers and I couldn't come up with
> anything.  I've got five good pics here...
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/ecfinn/F350/carb01.jpg
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/ecfinn/F350/carb02.jpg
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/ecfinn/F350/carb03.jpg
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/ecfinn/F350/carb04.jpg
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.home.net/ecfinn/F350/carb05.jpg
>
> The only number I can make out on the carb is 2168. You can just see it in
> pic #5.  The problem is that I think this carb needs rebuilt and I don't
> want to just start ordering rebuild kits if I can't identify it, or at
> least get close, before I order.
>




------------------------------

From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:11:02 EST
Subject: Re: Carb Identification?

Your in luck, I've got that exact same carb on Tweety right now, The numbers
off of mine are LIST 4452-1 1802.  There may be slight differences, but since
carb kits are somewhat generalized, you should do just fine with the same kit
I would use.  Lemme know how it works for you.

Darrell & Tweety



------------------------------

Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:09:24 -0500
From: "William D. Poudrier" <vze259s7 verizon.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all


I know that there is the Fairlane Club of America but I do not know
of a Fairlane/Torino list.  I would love to find one.  I have a whole bunch
of fairlanes.  If you find one let me know.   I worked at a Ford dealer in
1967/8/9.  I must have driven a hundred or better  CJ Mustangs/Torinos.
I wish I had pictures...

At 09:02 PM 3/8/01 -0500, you wrote:
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing
>touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
>http://www.motorhaven.com/
>----------------------------------------------------------
>In a message dated 3/8/2001 5:54:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>vze259s7 verizon.net writes:
>
>
> > I have 3 shop manuals a 1967, a 1969, and a 1970.  The 1969 and
> > 1970 on a station wagon anyway are identical in chassis dimensions.
> > If you go by chassis dimensions I am then incorrect.  The 1967 is
> > about 6 inches shorter.  Most catalogs lump 66 - 71 all together.
> > I often make mistakes, but I am never wrong 8*)  Good catch...
> >
> > What I do not see lumped in here is the mercury montego which shares this
> > body except for the sheet metal akin to the fairlanes.
> >
> > In 1974 I think the cougar joined the Torino as well when the mustang
> > shrank and the Cougar became larger and was Mercurys answer to
> > the LTD II.  HEY, I should get another point for the LTD II, and one
> > for the montego.  Hey I like this game 8*)
>
>
>Anybody else starting to realize just how easy trucks are?  Im almost scared
>to start doin the cars.  But with a 70 Torino GT Conv in my garage, its only
>an almost.  Better believe I'll be on a Torino list!
>
>Darrell & Tweety
>
>
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:16:53 EST
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all Ford/Merc/Lincoln

In a message dated 3/8/2001 6:13:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
vze259s7 verizon.net writes:


> I know that there is the Fairlane Club of America but I do not know
> of a Fairlane/Torino list.  I would love to find one.  I have a whole bunch
> of fairlanes.  If you find one let me know.

I was refering to the stuff that Kens New site will be hosting.  Should be an
awesome site if its only 1/10th of what FTE is.

.   I worked at a Ford dealer in
1967/8/9.  I must have driven a hundred or better  CJ Mustangs/Torinos.
I wish I had pictures...

I am truly jealus, My Torino has a 429, which does make it rare being stock
in a convertible, but I think the nutball in me would much rather have a
fastback 69 with a 428CJ, 4 speed, 4.11 posi, and nothin else.  If you wanna
listen to a radio, bring your headphones!

Darrell & Tweety



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Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:14:42 -0500
From: "William D. Poudrier" <vze259s7 verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Block Questions


I don't think that there are any other strokes in the FE motors in a truck
other than 3.5 and 3.78 unless someone nice stuck a 428 crank for a 3.98
stroke.  The 361 and 391 use 3.5 and 3.79 as well.  The only other one
is 3.3 in 58/59 but they are hard to find.

At 06:04 PM 3/8/01 -0800, you wrote:
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing
>touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
>http://www.motorhaven.com/
>----------------------------------------------------------
>
>You can't tell the engine type by the valve cover as they are generally
>interchangeable.
>
>You can tell the difference between a 352 and a 390 by removing the coil
>wire, removing 1 spark plug and inserting an official measuring devise like
>a small dowel or a stiff wire.  Hand crank the engine over and measure the
>stroke.  If it's 3.5 it's a 352 or 360; if it's 3.75 it's a 390.  There are
>also some other truck displacement combinations.
>
>Hope this will help settle it.
>
>BTW, I'd keep the Tbird valve covers, they look really nice in chrome.
>
>Tim Bowman
>tkbowman qwest.net
>website: www.users.qwest.net/~tkbowman
>(Pacific NW Carshow information & more)
>
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Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:20:16 -0500
From: "William D. Poudrier" <vze259s7 verizon.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all


No kiddin, I have 3 fastbacks  2GTs  1 351W 4V,  1 390 4V and one
that needs assembly, but that is a Talladega 428 CJ.  All are automatics
though.

I just purchased most of another 428 CJ.  Now I gotta find a nice rust free
body.  I think I am going through my second childhood, I cannot imagine what
the third and fourth ones will be like 8*)


At 09:16 PM 3/8/01 -0500, you wrote:
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing
>touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store:
>http://www.motorhaven.com/
>----------------------------------------------------------
>In a message dated 3/8/2001 6:13:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>vze259s7 verizon.net writes:
>
>
> > I know that there is the Fairlane Club of America but I do not know
> > of a Fairlane/Torino list.  I would love to find one.  I have a whole bunch
> > of fairlanes.  If you find one let me know.
>
>I was refering to the stuff that Kens New site will be hosting.  Should be an
>awesome site if its only 1/10th of what FTE is.
>
>.   I worked at a Ford dealer in
>1967/8/9.  I must have driven a hundred or better  CJ Mustangs/Torinos.
>I wish I had pictures...
>
>I am truly jealus, My Torino has a 429, which does make it rare being stock
>in a convertible, but I think the nutball in me would much rather have a
>fastback 69 with a 428CJ, 4 speed, 4.11 posi, and nothin else.  If you wanna
>listen to a radio, bring your headphones!
>
>Darrell & Tweety
>
>
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From: luminous neteze.com
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 19:01:53 -0800
Subject: Re: D60 (Torque)



>> nearest cotter pin hole. Got a recommendation for the full floater? Can I
>> feel 0.010" axial freeplay? Tell me how it feels. I expect to just be able
>> to feel a slight, almost imperceptable clunk at about 0.004" or
>> thereabouts. At 0.010" I think I should definitely feel a clunk. Perhaps I
>> should put a dial indicator on it and calibrate myself?

Hello all,

Getting the freeplay right on a greased bearing just "by feel"
isn't always an easy task. (At least not for me)

One of the things I sometimes find helpful is to count the
number of threads per inch on the spindle and do a touch of math.

For ezample,

You find that your spindle has 20 threads per inch.
This means that for 1 full revolution, the nut
moves 0.050" axially. (1/20 = .05)
That works out to be about 0.0014" of axial movement for each
10 degrees of nut rotation. (.050/36 = .001389)
So, if you want the nut to move .010" axially, it needs to be
rotated 72 degrees, or a little over 1/6 of a turn
(1/6 turn = .0083")
Once you've got the bearing seated and you've tightened the
nut down to the zero-clearance point (I think Gary covered that
pretty well already) then you've at least got some idea of how
far to expect to back off the nut to get the desired clearance.

I usually just adjust bearings by feel, but sometimes when
I'm working on something unfamiliar and don't quite know
what it is I'm feeling for I find this method to be a reassuring
double check that what I'm feeling isn't to far out of line with
what the math would indicate...

A dial indicator works alright too, but it's not easy to move
the wheel straight in and out without rocking it also, and rocking
screws up the measurements.

Oh yeah, once the bearing is tightened down to the zero-clearance
point, it's helpful to mark the hub at two locations aligned with
adjacent points on the nut. The distance between these points is
60 degrees. (I assume your nuts are 6 sided :-) Halfway between
the marks is 30 degrees, 1/4 of the way 15 degrees, etc.
That usually makes it fairly easy to figure out how far to back
the nut off within a couple degrees if you don't have any fancier
measuring equipment.

Hope that helps someone.

Cheers,

  Jim Imboden

 luminous neteze.com




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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Carb Identification?
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:36:01 -0500


Can anyone help me identify this carb?
=======================================================
without going into my books it looks like a 650 holley to me
gordon



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Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:07:47 -0700
From: "William (Tony) Whited" <f10074 ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Carb Identification?


I have the same carb on my 74 F350 as well except I have an electric choke.  Let
me know if I can help as well.

JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:

> Your in luck, I've got that exact same carb on Tweety right now, The numbers
> off of mine are LIST 4452-1 1802.  There may be slight differences, but since
> carb kits are somewhat generalized, you should do just fine with the same kit
> I would use.  Lemme know how it works for you.
>
> Darrell & Tweety

--
William (Tony) Whited
74 F350 Ranger XLT Super Camper Special 460
77 F150 Custom 460
El Paso, TX
Semper Fi



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Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:08:45 -0700
From: "William (Tony) Whited" <f10074 ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Carb Identification?


being on a 460 I would say it is a 750

G & J Boling wrote:

> -
>
> Can anyone help me identify this carb?
> =======================================================
> without going into my books it looks like a 650 holley to me
> gordon

--
William (Tony) Whited
74 F350 Ranger XLT Super Camper Special 460
77 F150 Custom 460
El Paso, TX
Semper Fi



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From: "Terry Myers" <khedlar.ac verizon.net>
Subject: Gas tank question
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:17:48 -0800

Hi all, I remember a few years ago someone posting about large gas tanks for sale in the Portland, Oregon area. These tanks replace the rear tank and have double the capacity and come with a new fuel sensor if I remember right. Since my new engine went bad (busted piston skirt I think, but it also bent the crank) I have decided to do a partial frame off, in addition to building a 513. Hope to have it all back together some time before winter. Any help will be appreciated.

Terry, Everett Wa
1977 F250 Camper Special, 4X4, 429 (soon to be 513)
2001 Ranger Edge, 4.0L


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From: "G & J Boling" <flash1 alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Carb Identification?
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:06:21 -0500



> being on a 460 I would say it is a 750
=======================================================
i thought the 750 was a dual feed carb
gordon



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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:18:58 EST
Subject: Re: Carb Identification?

In a message dated 3/8/2001 10:03:19 PM Pacific Standard Time,
flash1 alltel.net writes:


> i thought the 750 was a dual feed carb
>

They do make single feed 750's, however I dont ever recall seeing one with
that funky vent on top of the forward bowl like these have.  I know for sure
that mine is a 650, and that its also a stock Ford replacement.  I dont think
Ford put 750's on anything but the big muscle cars.  Kinda the same theory as
390 powered trucks with 2 barrels.

Darrell & Tweety



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From: "Vicki Parkes" <kerr.parkes xtra.co.nz>
Subject: CJ checking in from New Zealand
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:01:56 +1300

Hey Gang!

I've been out of touch for awhile, but couldn't resist checking in from "down under".  I just checked  out Wayne and Vicki's 1975 1/2 ton truck, right-hand side drive and all ....and yes Thom, I got a couple of photo's for you.... Wayne figures there's only  about 100 old Ford trucks in NZ, at least on the South Island..... There's also quite a few "Rancheros", I think they call them Falcons over here.......

Anyway, I'll be resubscribing soon, I've a 76 highboy to restore...

CJ in NZ


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:57:14 EST
Subject: Re: My outburst


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In a message dated 3/5/2001 6:15:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kpayne ford-trucks.com writes:


> I was pretty sick this weekend
> recovering (and still doing so) from an earache so bad that I felt
> like taking a drill to my head to relieve the pressure.

Aww, the ways mechanics find to heal themselves... How many of you consider
duct tape a suitable bandage?

Darrell & Tweety


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From: "Pat" <patsplace aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: The Economics of Ford Trucks
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:37:42 -0800

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Well said Chris. FTE is a really neat thing and I guess that like all really
neat things, you have to be prepared to do a bit to keep it. I just bought
my FTE membership. A good thing for every one on the list to do. I hear
rumors that if we all buy a membership that Ken is going to give everyone a
stroked 460 for Christmas. Might be a rumor, but you never know.
Pat
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73 F250 4X4
75 F250 4X4
78 150 W/overloads
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From: "Chris Samuel" <fourmuelz email.msn.com>
Subject: Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:18:10 -0800


Hate to interrupt but I have to chime in...

I have read with interest the conversation that has erupted over the
current state of the High Tech/dotcom world, and the fortunes of FTE.
I have been here for a while now, my friend Deacon once said that he and I
should not say just how long lest we intimidate anyone, yet he has been here
longer then I; as have many others.  It is nice to see that the family cares
bout this house that Ken built. It is refreshing in this world that there is
such a place as this, where even when tempers flair, we can step back from
the fray and cool off, and in time be friends again.

Ladies and Gentz.
If you care about FTE, then you must do more then simply click on the keys
on the board before you.  You must step up and drop some coin, to assist in
keeping this place as it is.  From what I have read, you don't need to make
a charitable contribution, though I am sure that some of us have no problem
doing so, and who can tell it may come to that.  Now however, all you need
to do is simply go to the store.
I'll put money on the fact that most of you don't have the shop manual for
your truck on CD yet.  Mine's on order.  Have you picked up a copy of
"Complete book of Ford O.H.O. Parts Newsletters"? Have you got a copy of
"Off Highway Parts Applications and Specifications for Ford Vehicles" yet?
If your into Ford Engines of the 60's and 70's and even into the 80's you
owe it to your self to pick these up, they are packed full of tips and
specifications, as well as listing all the parts we can no longer get our
hands on.  Do you have a new FTE Tee Shirt yet?  You are simply under
dressed without one!  Do you have all the correct stickers and decals for
your truck?
Look I ain't a rich man, I make my living with my hands I do it 6 days a
week, that's just the way it is for me.  Sure, I'm lucky that I can make
some of my income working on exotic engines, cars, and trucks.  I've worked
hard and spent many days and nights buried in the guts of someone else's
project paying my dues.  And who knows since my day job is on the leading
edge of Si-Chips I may be underemployed tomorrow.  I ain't bragging or
whining here simply setting the ground work for saying that I can appreciate
hard work, and I know that Ken has and is putting it in, so that we all can
benefit with our various lists.  Look at FTE, this place simply reeks of
quality.  The only way that you get quality is when the craftsman puts in
the time!  I can appreciate it!  And I know that most of you do to.

I read the statistics that Ken gathered from the survey just a while back
and if you recall most people here are not patrons of FTE other then the
free things like this and the other great lists.  So here you have the crux
of the issue.  You have been talking, and you have been volunteering to
donate.
I'm going to step up and flat out challenge you to go to the store and a
purchase.
It's all set up, Ken has do nothing extra to get the funds on to the books.
This also shows that FTE as a business remains strong in an economic slip
such as we have today, making FTE even more viable to the future
advertisers, and customers.  Truly a Win-Win.  FTE has cash flow, you have
something that you can use on your truck!
I will always spend my hard earned cash with the people and organizations
that I have the best personal relationships with, I will even spend a bit
more to do so if the service is good.  Everything that I have purchased from
FTE has been just like FTE, first rate; and I have not paid any more then I
would have elsewhere, often less!
I'm also going to get a bit personal in my challenge by letting you all
know that last month I postponed several "optional" parts purchases for my
trucks and dropped the better part of a full stack of 10-spots at the FTE
store.  I did it, to give my support to Ken and FTE, after reflecting on the
information Ken shared on the survey results.  Today, I'm glad that I did,
because I know that I stepped up before Ken had to take what I feel to be
reasonable (if perhaps uncomfortable) action. And having wandered through
the store there are several items that I will be back for.  If there isn't
something in the great selection at the FTE store that you could use or
enjoy, then your driving a Chevrolet!


Long Run FTE!

Chris Samuel

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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 01:35:32 EST
Subject: Re: Mechanics' bandages


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In a message dated 3/5/2001 10:33:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kendrick mddc.com writes:


> Ouch!! Although it might work as a wound cleaner/antiseptic, it doesn't work
> as an eye rinse! Trust me on this one, if you haven't done it yet!
>
> Jason Kendrick
>
>

you win, that sounds worse than almost anything I can think of!

Darrell & Tweety


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From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 00:29:25 EST
Subject: Re: Mechanics' bandages


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The BEST thing I've ever found for patching wounds in an emercency is....
SUPER GLUE!  I doubt it's really the best thing as far as sanitation is
considered, but it works- and you don't have to worry about the bandage
getting wet and falling off.

I learned it from watching a hog hunter "glue up" a couple of his dogs that
got cut up by a boar.

We hauled them home in a Ford truck.

Nate
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 00:34:33 EST
Subject: Re: Mechanics' bandages


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In a message dated 3/5/2001 9:29:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, Natp244 cs.com
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> The BEST thing I've ever found for patching wounds in an emercency is....
> SUPER GLUE!

Its actually my understanding that superglue was invented for stichless eye
operations.  Ive used superglue on a few cuts, also since I've been a plumber
off and on, abs glue will stich up a cut pretty quick.  I still swear by
Brake cleaner as a wound cleaner/antiseptic.

Darrell & Tweety


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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 21:14:20 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: My outburst


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>
>
>I forgive you. :o).  Reading the posts I could see you were working up a
>head of steam there.  I think you probably deserved a release at that point.
>I do remember reading that when Abe Lincoln was in that situation he would
>write the scathing letter he wanted to, immediately burn it and then write
>the toned down version that he felt he could send.  Just rambling.

The scary part is it was the toned down second version!

>You may want to correspond to Annie directly and see if you two can work
>something out.  I think I can remember some of her earlier posts and if so I
>know she got some very good and valuable info from it.

Will do so in the next couple of days.  I was pretty sick this weekend
recovering (and still doing so) from an earache so bad that I felt
like taking a drill to my head to relieve the pressure.  Headaches from
hell!

>To Annie,  some things you said in your post led me to believe that FTE is
>some large faceless corporate entity.  "They" is Ken and family.  And as is
>obvious from the previous posts his extended 'Family' is quite large.
>
>Ken,  things are tight for me now but soon as I work it out (in the next 4
>weeks) put me down for an FTE membership.
>
>Tom H.

Hey Tom, don't worry about it.  I don't keep score.  Do what's
best for you situation right now.

Ken Payne


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From: "Bill Deacon" <billyboy surfside.net>
Subject: Classifieds
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:44:02 -0800

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Ken---I tried to post a classified about my items on eBay and was rejected.
You had said they would be OK in an earlier post. When will I be able to
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From: "Matt" <draygo pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Ranger 302
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:29:15 -0800

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Thanks, I'll forward that to him.

Matt

"Accomplishing the impossible only means the boss will add it to your
regular duties."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Southerland, Rich" <rsouther alldata.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:41 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Ranger 302


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>
> There is tons of swap info out in cyberspace.  A quick search turned up
>
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://trucks.about.com/autos/trucks/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%
> 2Fwww.rangerpowersports.com%2Ftech%2Fv8swaps%2F
>
> This would be a good place to start.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt [mailto:draygo pacifier.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 11:02 PM
> To: FTE Offroad-list; FTE 61-79
> Subject: [61-79-list] Ranger 302
>
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> Sorry guys, I know this is out of the "61-79" range, but I didn't wanna
> subscribe to the "mini's" for one question. A friend was asking me tonight
> if a 302 would bolt up to the transmission on his '88 Ranger with the 2.9L
> engine. He couldn't tell me what the tranny was. I told him I would ask
the
> experts, because I have no idea. I personally don't think it would, but
> someone told me one time that the 302 would bolt up to the same tranny as
> the 300 I6, So who knows what bolts to what? So what do I tell him?
>
> Matt
>
> "Accomplishing the impossible only means the boss will add it to your
> regular duties."
>
>
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:50:10 EST
Subject: Re: radiator


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kpayne ford-trucks.com writes:


> Your price will be the same and it helps support this site.
> They sell heater cores too, I bought one from them a long
> time ago for my 67.
>
>

Hey cool, Tweety needs one of those.  I never really cared till I drove the
truck to northern nevada on a hunting trip.  I was in almost every clothing
article possible, and still freezin my but, my buddy had crawled into his bag
and gone to sleep.  Never in my life has a road trip been so miserable!!!

Darrell & Tweety


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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 07:44:54 -0600
Subject: Re: windshield leaks
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


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> Just make sure
> to get one from somewhere other than J.C.W. as I hear their rubber products
> leave something to be desired in the longevity department.  This is not
> personal experience, just what I've heard, so if you go this route, use all
> the info you can get.  Anyhow, bein wet aint no fun, hope your able to do
> something about the problem.

CJ always said his door gaskets from JCW didn't last. Mine have been on for
about 3 years now and still look new. I have had to glue them back in a
couple of times. I used the contact cement sparingly. In case I needed to
remove the seal I didn't want to destroy them. Bad decision.

-- John
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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:30:32 -0600
Subject: Re: My outburst
From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>


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> I don't know about anyone else, but I
> cannot ever work on any vechiles without drawing blood at least once.

If you don't draw blood, create a blister, mash a finger or thumb, or at
least put a knot on your head, you aren't working hard enough or you missed
part of the job.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com     <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Married Tcase
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:13:39 -0600


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Scott H. wirtes:  >>I have stuck my head under a fair share of Hi-Boys and I  have never
seen a A/T truck with a
DIVORCED t-case.Maybe it is a regonal thing ????Maybe part time A/T
trucks have divorced cases??? Beats me,but I would like to see the tail
housing of a divorced trucks A/T and see how the T-case lever
attaches.Would not mind a A/T in my Hi-Boy some day.<<

I have both an automatic(C6) and a NP435 4 speed divorced.  I'll be happy to
send you Pics.
Give me a couple of days and expect them in your Email box if I can figure
out how to do it.  I'm not very computer literate, but I have a couple of
daughters with degrees in computer sciences, so maybe they can bo of help.


Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:56:47 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski <theodore ford-trucks.net>
Subject: Re: My outburst


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At 09:57 PM 3/5/01 -0500, you wrote:
>  How many of you consider
>duct tape a suitable bandage?
>
>Darrell & Tweety
>
        Super glue or silicone works for me. P.S. The black gasket maker
doesn't sting quite so bad. : )

Ted Wnorowski  Flat Rock, OH
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