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Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2001 #75 Precedence: list ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with
the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== Serious help restoring and maintaining your Ford truck! ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts carries hundreds of Ford licensed reproduction decals to put that finishing touch on your truck! Air Cleaner Decals Interior Decals Emission Decals Chassis Decals Exterior Decals Body Decals Valve Cover Decals Jack Decals and much more, including Ford oval decals in several sizes! <a href="http://www.motorhaven.com/"> http://www.motorhaven.com/</a> ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Wed, 07 Mar 2001 Volume: 2001 Issue: 075 In This Issue: Re: Pigeon Forge Identification Re: Falling debre Re: Falling debre & cats 1979 F-150 Questions Re: In Your Face! Re: In Your Face! ADMIN: Need year/models of all Ford/Merc/Lincoln ADMIN: Year/model submission list page Re: D60(torque) Falling debre Re: FTE PayPal Re: In Your Face! Lifter Tick Re: D60(torque) Re: unreachable locations Re: Tempest/LeMans Re: Tempest/LeMans Re: D60 (Torque) Re: Block Questions Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all Ford/Merc/Lincoln Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all Ford/Merc/Lincoln Re: Block Questions Re: [61-79-list]clicking starter Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all Re: D60 (Torque) Re: Lifter Tick Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all Value House pets Rear springs Re: Rear springs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Pigeon Forge Identification Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:24:18 -0800 The first year my wife and I made up shirt tags with plastic covers you pin to your shirt. We copied the two red fords logo and printed them out with our names on them. The next year we just wore our FTE shirts. -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > How are all of us FTEr's going to identify ourselves at PF? > Surely it can't > be by wearing a FORD hat? A CLUB FTE Tshirt? ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Falling debre Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:28:15 -0800 We used to work on old cars in my granddad's cow barn (yes on top of the manure and straw) because it had a really nice beam to hang a chain hoist from and we had a Shetland pony that was part crow. Every time we laid down a shiny wrench he snuck up there and grabbed it and took off across the barnyard. Spent more time hunting for the tools than working on the cars :-) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > HAHAHAHA !!! Sounds like the farm cats that help me while I am on my > back working on something ...just enough clearance for the cat ... never > enough room for your arm to knock it off!! > > dP > > > > > God I'd like to kill that cat. > > > > Azie Magnusson > > Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Falling debre & cats Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:31:46 -0800 Well, I don't like cats myself but I don't have any animals in my garage either. The neighbors cats I've allowed to live keep them out :-) Now that I have a dumpster for my trash we get along just fine :-) Cats won't keep the ground hogs and coons out of stuff though, you need a dog for that :-) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > Plus, a dog is not going to keep squirrels and other vermin out of your > garage! Very irritating to have a squirrel nesting inside your truck...at > least the little bugger didn't chew up the seat... ------------------------------ From: "Serian" <serian mailandnews.com>
Subject: 1979 F-150 Questions Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:31:28 -0500 > A lab instructor at Va Tech told me the radiator shroud didn't come > close enough to the fan blade, and there wasn't enough vacuum. > Could I take the radiator bolts out, get longer ones, and put spacers > between the front of the truck and the radiator to push it back closer > to the motor, thus putting the fan in the hole? Would that be a good > fix, or are spacers a bad idea? I have a 1979 Bronco with the 351M and NO fan shroud ... it hardly ever gets off the N in the word "Normal" on the gauge. Somehow, I question whether this is the problem. might want to check if your radiator is big enough, if you are getting good coolant flow through the radiator core, (if 1/3 of yer core is clogged with debris, that engine will get hot, but water will still flow), is your water pump in good shape .. a worn water pump might not be pulling the coolant through effectively enough > Where are the major ground connections (I do know about the one > from the battery to the block, but are there any other major ones?)? battery to body (usually at the fender), body to engine (usually at the firewall), and the regulator case is a ground connection for the electrical system too so amke sure that has good contact to the fender. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: In Your Face! Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:36:59 -0800 I used to be very quick to end relationships with biting dogs or even just disobedient dogs and cats, permanently. I am more mellow now and just avoid them but still wouldn't own one if it couldn't be taught better manners. I once threw my mother's siamese cat across the living room and splatted against the far wall after it took a chunk out of my hand just sitting in a chair reading the paper. Didn't seriously hurt the cat but it never came near me again :-) We had "struck" an agreement :-) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > The only dog I have ever owned that has bitten me and lived to > tell about it > is the Lhasa Apso. ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: In Your Face! Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:42:56 -0800 My brother had a shepherd that eliminated all the cats. The horse trainer who first owned it gave it to him to get it out of his farm so he could keep the mice down :-) She would lay in the sun and just wait til they came up to her and started rubbing and purring and when they got in just the right position she would snap and litterally bite them in two. She also killed a goat that was leaving piles up on the hay bales where he would reach up and get a hand full of poop so he kind of encouraged her behind his bosses back......She was a one man dog, very serious animal for sure. -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > Real men have real dogs (working breeds) not toy breeds. :-) All > real dogs > eat cats and keep the meter readers on alert. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:25:54 -0500 From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Need year/models of all Ford/Merc/Lincoln Fellow Ford Truck Enthusiasts members, in anticipation of the upcoming launch of our new web site, FTE is in need of the year/model groups of all Ford, Mercury and Lincoln models, including cars, trucks, vans and SUVs. Example: The Crown Vic model was pretty much the same from 1992-1997 so "1992-1997 Crown Vic" would qualify as a year/model group. Another example, "1961-1966 F-Series" or "1980-1986 F-Series". We need every group you can possibly think of, including full size, mid-size, compacts, sub compacts, trucks, vans, SUVs, antiques (Model T, A, etc), Australian makes, European makes, etc. Please submit these ASAP to kpayne ford-trucks.com. I will
post a list on the web site, updating it every few hours over the next 3 days to lesson the chances of duplicate submissions. Each person who sends in a submission we don't already have will be entered into a drawing for the following: One Grand Prize $60 value ------------------------- 2001 Ford Truck Enthusiasts T-shirt "Classic" Ford Truck Enthusiasts T-shirt Licensed Ford ball cap 2 Ford Truck Enthusiasts window/bumper stickers "Tough Tales" book Two First Prizes $32 value -------------------------- 2001 Ford Truck Enthusiasts T-Shirt Ford Truck Enthusiasts bumper sticker "Tough Tales" book Four Second Prizes $15 value ------------------------------ Choice 2001 or "Classic" Ford Truck Enthusiasts t-shirt For every two year/model submissions we accept from you, you will earn a chance in the drawing. Don't worry, if you only come up with one you still receive a chance. Inaccurate year/model groups will be disqualified (ie, sending 1975-1979 F-Series instead of 1973-1979 F-Series). Hurry!!! You don't want someone to beat you with a year/model group submission! Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:46:24 -0500 From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Year/model submission list page The list of year/model groups already submitted can be found at: http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/websites/48.html This page will be updated frequently over the next few days. Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts ------------------------------ From: "rich" <richth exis.net>
Subject: Re: D60(torque) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:03:31 -0500 > From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
> Subject: Re: D60(torque) As Azie says it may not have any measurable > affect on the life of the bearings. so can only "Guess" at the outcome and in my > experience I would say it probably won't cause any serious damage but I'm a > perfectionist and it somet....ok....quite often comes out in my comments :-) Azzie wrote > > Well technically it does add pressure to the bearing - Minute, > > but there. Anytime you jam one nut to another you tend to > > "take up the slack" between the inner nuts threads and the threads > > of the bolt it is threaded onto, so it does have a very slight > > effect. For what it's worth, this is the exact responce I was solliciting. Thanks guy's! I generally know how to do things, I just very seldom question as to why. IE; I know what torque to set the D60 inner nut to, rebuilt many, I never questioned it. I also know that tightning up that outer nut doesnt hurt a doggone thing that a non engineering person would even think about. As far as the average mechanic\shadetree is concerned, this is a non issue. However, after being on this list for a few years, I started to question things I took for granted. I just learned from my Math Instructor that 1+1 does not = 2, thats one of my homework assignments tonight. Any help with this before 6pm tommorrow?? :;) Rich ------------------------------ From: "Pat" <patsplace aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: Falling debre Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:57:59 -0800 Ain't it just the beat all. Here goes Azie, buys Ford, works on them dutifully and becomes loveable, even to cats, and what does he do. Complain. Whuts th' wurld comin tu. Pat 72 Ranger parts truck 73 F250 4X4 75 F250 4X4 78 150 W/overloads 79 F250 4X4 Dream Truck in progress "Azie L. Magnusson" wrote: > I'm under a vehicle - both> hands completely occupied and can not possibly let go and that D___ cat gets on my chest and sticks its A__ in my face and begins to purr.. > God I'd like to kill that cat. > > Azie Magnusson > Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:45:51 EST Subject: Re: FTE PayPal In a message dated 3/5/2001 9:24:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, kpayne ford-trucks.com writes:
> I've got the PayPal info there, the FTE address and our > phone number. Feel to call me on my nickel using our toll > free number on that page and we can shoot the breeze. To > those who'd can't give or would rather not give, no sweat. > > If there is anything I can do to express my thanks to > the list, let me know. > > Ken Payne > Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts > Ken, You Sir are way beyond cool . !!My hats off to you ... ------------------------------ From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:43:17 EST Subject: Re: In Your Face! In a message dated 03/07/2001 1:23:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, vhhuston switch.com writes:
<< My white German Shepherd will not associate with such riff raff, but she does love to ride in my truck AND chase cats. >> My Dad used to have a white German shepherd. A very intimidating dog! He was from a litter that was bred for the police to use. The police needed all but the one my dad had. He could jump and clear the side of the bed of the old longbed 65 styleside we had back then. That reminds me. This truck had what I thought was a 289 and we swapped it for a fresh 302. It bolted right up. Later I was told the 1965 trucks never had a 289 from the factory. So, which is it? Rollie ------------------------------ From: "1970fordguy" <1970fordguy home.com>
Subject: Lifter Tick Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:13:12 -0800 I am wondering if there is anything I can do to resove my lifter tick problem. The ticking doesn't start until the motor is warm, and then won't stop until the motor is stone cold. I changed oil about 1000 miles ago, and the problem went away for awhile. I know that I need to do a lifter/cam replacement, I am just looking for a temp fix, until I can get the wife talked into me spending the time and $ on probally a rebuild. Thank you for any help. Would a 20-50W oil resolve problems, I feel that I might have to do oil change every 1000 miles or so. Oh, the motor is a 429? I beleive. Jody 1970fordguy home.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 05:48:33 EST Subject: Re: D60(torque) In a message dated 3/7/01 7:18:58 PM Central Standard Time, gpeters3 lni.net
writes: > . Again, it goes back to having that natural "Feel" for > mechanical things that helps you to "See" what needs to be done as well as > having a book to go by. > > All technical jargone aside, if you have never lost an axle or blown out a bearing then you must be doing something right. I know that I for one can not be that lucky that often. Glenn NY 78 F250 (talk about projects and headaches) ------------------------------ From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:04:09 EST Subject: Re: unreachable locations In a message dated 03/07/01 3:03:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, burgess4 gte.net writes:
> Hi Tim , > > When working on my old 77 Town Car ,wrenches and nuts always fell down > past the motor and the hoses and stuff and ALWAYS rested on the frame > or some other nook or cranny ... nothing ever fell clear to the floor !! > > dPrasse > > Do a frame off resto and look at teh tools you culd recover!!!!!!!!!!!!!! George M in Fl. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 08:12:44 -0600 Subject: Re: 1979 F-150 Questions From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
> might want to check if your radiator is big enough, > if you are getting good coolant flow through the radiator core, > (if 1/3 of yer core is clogged with debris, that engine will get hot, > but water will still flow), > is your water pump in good shape .. a worn water pump might not be > pulling the coolant through effectively enough I have a two year old 4 core new special order super cooler radiator. New water pump at about the same time. I have replaced a freeze plug since then and my cooling system is clean clean clean. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 08:26:37 -0600 From: John Strauss <jstrauss inetport.com>
Subject: Re: Tempest/LeMans >The Buick Special, Olds F-85 and Pontiac Tempest were introduced either >in 1960 or 1961 as the newest GM compacts -- competing with the Falcon, I >think, like the Chevy II. All 3 cars were offered with the >aluminum-block 215 V8 that GM later sold to British Leyland. The Tempest >had the Slant-four-half-of-a-389 engine. The Olds and Buick both had a >conventional trans mounted right to the engine -- the Tempest had a rear >transaxle and a swing-axle rear suspension similar to the early Corvairs. > The 1963 Tempest still had the transaxle but looked like a smaller >version of the 1964 (very similar to the 1965). > >In 1965, Pontiac came out with the GTO as a high-performance upgrade to >the Tempest. The LeMans was a sporty two-door Tempest. At different >times it came with an overhead cam six cylinder, a 326 V8, a 350 V8 (in >later years) and maybe other engines, I'm not really sure. > >All the cars starting in 1964 (Tempest or LeMans) were conventional >configurations -- front engines with the trans mounted directly to them, >then a driveshaft going to a rear differential. > >I'm pretty sure this is all correct...... it's been awhile. > >FTE content? Damned if I know..... > Let me help you with the FTE content. I find it quite ironic or at least interesting that the 215 Buick aluminum V-8 is now...a FORD. Buick did indeed sell the rights to that engine to British Leyland. BL used it in several cars and also in the Land Rover. Later, a heavily modified version was used in the Range Rover and is still in there to this day. Who now owns Rover? FoMoCo. _ _| ~~. John Strauss \, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight! ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom (Portland)" <Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Tempest/LeMans Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:40:56 -0800 <snip> > >FTE content? Damned if I know..... > > > Let me help you with the FTE content. I find it quite ironic > or at least > interesting that the 215 Buick aluminum V-8 is now...a FORD. > Buick did > indeed sell the rights to that engine to British Leyland. BL > used it in > several cars and also in the Land Rover. Later, a heavily > modified version > was used in the Range Rover and is still in there to this > day. Who now > owns Rover? FoMoCo. > _ > _| ~~. John Strauss > \, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
> \( Texas Fight! > Sounds like 6 degrees of separation. ;-) Or that game where you can prove that every actor is connected to Kevin Bacon somehow. Actually I find this quite interesting. Here's a question for you. How exactly did this "rope" flexible drive shaft work? What was it made of? Was it as bad an idea as it sounds? (I'm sure noone's using it now.) Tom H. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:25:04 -0600 From: Doss Halsey <halsey isl-inc.com>
Subject: Re: D60 (Torque) Gary, >Well, if we look at it like this.....The book calls for zero to ten >thousandths axial play which essentially means that for every 1/1000" you >move the nut inward you change the axial (not radial or diagonal) free play >by that much. I'm with you. I am looking for a description of how to set that wheel bearing axial freeplay on my D60. On most other vehicles, like you mentioned, you torque the nut to some nominal torque (25-50 ft lbs) just to seat the bearings, then you back the castled nut off 1/4 turn and find the nearest cotter pin hole. Got a recommendation for the full floater? Can I feel 0.010" axial freeplay? Tell me how it feels. I expect to just be able to feel a slight, almost imperceptable clunk at about 0.004" or thereabouts. At 0.010" I think I should definitely feel a clunk. Perhaps I should put a dial indicator on it and calibrate myself? What do you recommend? I want to drive it 1000 miles round trip to Pigeon Forge. I've had wheel bearings fail from overtightening in only 100 miles (when I was young and thought I knew everything). Doss Halsey '67 F250 Camper Special ------------------------------ From: "Keith" <a2jkeith gci.net>
Subject: Re: Block Questions Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:56:11 -0900 Ok I got a question for yall, I was working on my truck yesterday at a buddies house and by the way he is a Ford FREEK he has a 56 F100 beautiful condition a 65 Galaxie 500 and a couple of old TBirds as well as a 77 F250. Anyway we were looking at my engine and he did a double take and says, what engine is that. Well being an assumtion, I said 390. Well apparently I do not have a 390 he said I have a 352 Ypipe, now I dont know what this engine is, but he had one in his Thunderbird in the front yard, and to tell the honest truth, I couldnt see much difference between the two engines. Now it just so happens that my valve covers say THUNDERBIRD right across em. So I am wondering how hard it is to tell the difference, buddy said something about exhaust ports and something else. Also what is the difference between it and a 390 as far as the internal guts of the engine, and anything else that may drastically change. Thanks alot, Keith 71 F250 Tbird powered 4x4 ------------------------------ From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all Ford/Merc/Lincoln Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:15:30 -0600 1967 to 1972 F Series!! :-) Jason Kendrick ------------------------------ From: "Jason and Kathy" <kendrick mddc.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all Ford/Merc/Lincoln Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:25:14 -0600 Gotta have two model/lines? 1970 to 1977 Maverick The Maverick was actually introduced in April 1969, but it was a '70 model. Jason Kendrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:12:09 -0500 From: "Huston, Virgil H." <vhhuston switch.com>
Subject: Re: Block Questions The 66 F100, which I have, came with the 352 V8 option, so it is still a Ford truck engine. It was used more in cars, though. Virgil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:29:25 -0600 Subject: Re: [61-79-list]clicking starter From: "John LaGrone" <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
Quick question. The answer doesn't have to be as quick. :-) When I turn the key, all I get is clicking, no starter engagement. Solenoid, right? The battery is fully charged, about 2 months old, and I just verified that it is charged. Interior lights are bright and stay bright during clicking sound. I guess at 130000 miles, the starter should be replaced, too, huh? I guess you figured out it isn't Henry, it's a neighbor's 79 Ford F100 very similar to Henry. I could swap parts, but I figure a quick question is easier since it's raining cats and dogs (don't start again..puleese) outside at the moment. TIA. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Erik Marquez" <bronco78 alaska.com>
Subject: Re: [61-79-list]clicking starter Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:32:23 -0900 yup, solenoid or bat cable / connection would my starting point Erik Marquez BlackHorse bronco78.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bronco78.com Home of the BB decal -----Original Message----- From: John LaGrone <jlagrone ford-trucks.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, March 08, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: [61-79-list]clicking starter >---------------------------------------------------------- >Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing >touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store: >http://www.motorhaven.com/ >---------------------------------------------------------- > >Quick question. The answer doesn't have to be as quick. :-) When I turn the >key, all I get is clicking, no starter engagement. Solenoid, right? The >battery is fully charged, about 2 months old, and I just verified that it is >charged. Interior lights are bright and stay bright during clicking sound. I >guess at 130000 miles, the starter should be replaced, too, huh? I guess you >figured out it isn't Henry, it's a neighbor's 79 Ford F100 very similar to >Henry. I could swap parts, but I figure a quick question is easier since >it's raining cats and dogs (don't start again..puleese) outside at the >moment. TIA. > >-- John >jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
>1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) >http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm >Dearborn iron rules!!!! > >============================================================= >To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:05:56 -0500 From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all > >Gotta have two model/lines? >1970 to 1977 Maverick >The Maverick was actually introduced in April 1969, but it was a '70 model. > >Jason Kendrick Email submissions to the address provided in the posting. Thanks, Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: D60 (Torque) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:09:01 -0800 Well, you can feel 0.010" pretty easily with the wheel on but with the wheel off, the grease will overpower your leverage factor unless you are a gorilla so I learned a few things over the years too :-) I now install the wheel before testing for axial free play to give myself the best advantage over the grease and I tighten the inner nut until there is no free play and back it out about 1/4 turn and tighten the outer nut and check again. I keep making small adjustments like this untill I "Just" take out all the freeplay with the outer nut torqued to spec.. As I said, I used to leave them a little looser with drum brakes and on the rear still do but on the front I make zero free play my goal. The best way to feel any free play is to rock the wheel back and forth in a diagonal so you can feel when either or both outer diameters of the wheel move. I close my eyes and concentrate (but I don't hum :-)) and try to get it right on the money. Using an indicator you would have to have some way to move the wheel in and out without rocking it to get an accurate measurement which is all but impossible without a special machine of some kind so the hand method is considered by most to be quite good enough in this application :-) The bottom line here is......don't listen to the book, blindly! Use your noggin. Bearings must be free to turn without generating friction and the more preload you put on them the less like a bearing they are able to perform up to the point of self destructing. Again, the ideal for most automotive appliications is Zero freeplay and zero preload. The closer you can get it set up to that the better they will last :-) Typically, when round objects are heated the circumferance will grow faster than the solid shaft inside it so typically, clearances increase as it heats up but not always. This is just a rule of thumb to keep in mind when adjusting bearings in general. This phenomenon is based on the "Coefficient of linear Expansion" which says that material will expand x amount for each degree of temp change per linear measurement unit, usually CM in science. What this means to us is that a solid shaft of about 1.5" will expand based on the 1.5" diameter but a doughnut shape will expand based on it's circumferance which is at least 3.14 times the diameter so if you lightly pressed a ring on a shaft made of the same material and heat the shaft and ring in an oven the ring will become loose. This principle is used when shrinking the outer ring on a flywheel or removing it for instance and the thinner the ring is the more dramatic the change because there is less material to expand inward and outward to offset the circumferential change...........Is that clear??? Linear expansion actually moves in all directions at the same time like pressure in a tire, every part of the tire feels the same pressure including the bottom where the contact patch is. BTW, you do want to make sure that you are not feeling movement in the ball joints etc. when doing this and with a little practice you will be able to tell the difference :-) I still look when in doubt to make sure :-) -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > nearest cotter pin hole. Got a recommendation for the full floater? Can I > feel 0.010" axial freeplay? Tell me how it feels. I expect to just be able > to feel a slight, almost imperceptable clunk at about 0.004" or > thereabouts. At 0.010" I think I should definitely feel a clunk. Perhaps I > should put a dial indicator on it and calibrate myself? ------------------------------ From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Lifter Tick Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:28:49 -0800 My first guess is that you are loosing oil pressure as the oil heats up and at some point it is thin enough that it no longer pads the rocker/valve interface enough to deaden the click. Fixing the oil pressure issue may help or it may actually be worn parts allowing too much movement in the valve train. I really can't remember any older engines which did not have some clicking to them, hot or cold so, unless it's making some serious noise or the clicking is a dull thunking rather than a high pitch clinking sound I wouldn't worry too much. If it started suddenly then I would check the rocker nuts to be sure and also look for bent pushrods. -- Happily Retired (but broke) Michigan Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > I am wondering if there is anything I can do to resove my lifter tick > problem. The ticking doesn't start until the motor is warm, and > then won't > stop until the motor is stone cold. I changed oil about 1000 > miles ago, and > the problem went away for awhile. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:47:09 -0500 From: "William D. Poudrier" <vze259s7 verizon.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Need year/models of all I hate to be a stickler but. I take issue with 1968 - 1971 torino and fairlane. I think it should be 1968 - 1969 and 1970 - 1971 and, oh by the way the 1970 falcon was really a fairlane. The 1967 - 1969 falcon cars were quite different from the from the fairlane. Sort of like the mustang and fairlane. Also in the 1968/1969 torino/fairlane group add the 1969 Talladega! ask me how I know, grin!! NEXT 1972 to 1979 TBird is wrong! 1972 to 1976 Built on the Lincoln continental chassis BIG 460 V8 1977 - 1980 were built on the 1972 up Torino chassis 1984 - 1988 Lincoln continental 1984 - 1992 Lincoln mark 7 RWD 5.0 1980 - 1986 Lincoln Town car 1987 - 1993 Lincoln Town car 1994 - 1999 Lincoln Town car (mod motor) 1993 - 1999 Lincoln Mark VIII FWD Mod Motor 1961 -1966 Lincoln continental 1968 - 1971 Lincoln Mark V Just a start, Enjoy At 04:05 PM 3/8/01 -0500, you wrote: >---------------------------------------------------------- >Hundreds of Ford licensed decals to put the finishing >touch on your truck! Support FTE - Check out our store: >http://www.motorhaven.com/ >---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >Gotta have two model/lines? > >1970 to 1977 Maverick > >The Maverick was actually introduced in April 1969, but it was a '70 model. > > > >Jason Kendrick > >Email submissions to the address provided in the >posting. > >Thanks, >Ken Payne >Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts > > > >============================================================= >To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Value Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:56:35 -0600 Ox writes: >>You couldn't give me a house in a yupp neighborhood where I can't change my own oil in the driveway. << I knew we had something more than old Fords in common. My kind of guy. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: House pets Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:00:07 -0600 John LaG. writes: >>So...put the cat in the house when you are working on the trucks. ;-)<< Not My house. >>- John (1 cat, 6 dogs--all in the house. My pets don't annoy my neighbors; only I am allowed that pleasure.)<< To each his own. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Rear springs Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:04:17 -0600 Ox writes: >>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://id.yimg.com/d/712769f8/h/8c79f0da/Afrikad3-700.jpg<< LOL!!! Gads!!! Thought there for a minute I was back in N. Africa.... That is a very common sight in that part of the world..Most 3rd world countries have similar sights... Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Bill Beyer" <bbeyer pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Rear springs Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:19:30 -0800 Gotta luv them 'mogs... /// Friends help you move...Real friends help you move bodies \\ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
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